asciilifeform: apeloyee: see the quite 'flammable' log from that thread. i put the burden of correct operation ~100% on the human operator.
apeloyee: files are NOT INDEPENDENT. despite CVS and v pretending they are. this is a problem. you could have required some form of cryptographic commitment to either the tree state or even the antedecent patches themselves, but didn't
asciilifeform: apeloyee: some of the 'cvsism' is deliberate -- cvs made collaborative writing harder by accident, we -- on purpose !11
asciilifeform: apeloyee: the 'liable to change' thing was very much NOT part of my orig design for v.
apeloyee: hence the hash-manifest proposals
apeloyee: a vpatch's purpose is twofold. 1) to provide a way to construct some files based on some antedecent files, whose hashes are given. 2) to take some responsibility about the entire tree. but the signature on a vpatch doesn't fix the state of the tree; it is defined implicitly by antedecent patches, which are liable to change at any time ("regrinding") and thereby change some files not...
BingoBoingo: It gets 30 minutes with the audience, remarks on the size on the audience, and then silence
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 23:30 asciilifeform: trinque: if you really hate files, you are welcome to make the whole proggy 1 file
apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765560 << this looks to be the only safe way. asciilifeform : don't you think that's insane?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 01:29 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771435 << hey, is that your blog then ?
Covale`: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771610 - no, not mine, I don´t have one. Neither do I have that cup, but it´s a pretty decent Lenin nonetheless
apeloyee: from above: "Check that the actual parameters of a subprogram call are not aliases of one another. To qualify as aliasing, the actuals must denote objects of a composite type, their memory locations must be identical or overlapping, and at least one of the corresponding formal parameters must be of mode OUT or IN OUT. "
asciilifeform: freetlas: you did not answer the question
apeloyee: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gnat_ugn/Alphabetical-List-of-All-Switches.html#Alphabetical-List-of-All-Switches : "-gnateA" Check that the actual parameters of a subprogram call are not aliases of one another.
asciilifeform: the variant with booleans doesn't rely on non-nullities tho.
asciilifeform: so a stack cell would contain not only an FZ of the current bitness, but two boolean values, e.g. HasPrev and HasNext
asciilifeform: you can trivially show that any attempt to walk under or over the stack, would have to involve a null-dereference.
asciilifeform: whether this is cleaner than the existing item, i will leave up to the readers, incl. apeloyee .
asciilifeform: want() would then vanish; both stack underflow and overflow checks would be handled by the nullity check ( first cell has a null in its 'prev' slot; last cell in stack -- in its 'next' . )
asciilifeform: apeloyee: here's another idea from my notes , that would do the job : to dispense with the array representation for the stack, in favour of linked list. ada permits the definition of a 'not null' pointer type (whose non-nullity is checked on every reference) .
asciilifeform: incidentally there were pivot-position bugs in commonly-used karatsubas as late as the early 2000s.
asciilifeform: or for another example, take the ugliness and 'pointericity' of the traditional 'pivoting' form of karatsuba. which i killed by forcing all FZ bitnesses to be powers of 2.
asciilifeform: ideally so as to maximally compartmentalize and document the ugly
asciilifeform: one way to model this process is that there is an 'ugliness budget', just like there is a cpu cycle budget, that can be 'spent' in certain ways
asciilifeform: ftr several different items in ffa seemed to me to be 'five-angled heptagons' (starting with how to compute the asm-less addition carries) until i solved'em
asciilifeform: i don't see any reason why the thing should ~rely~ on adatronicn bounds checks for correctness.
apeloyee: and there's no problem.
asciilifeform: and at any rate the right place for such a thing is in the code, rather than in the guts of the linker
asciilifeform: there is not, afaik, a way to force stack frames to be explicitly padded
apeloyee: put a dummy array of 4 (or whatever) elements just before the Stack
apeloyee: doesn't gnat have a facility to control the layout of memory?
asciilifeform: the other open q is where to draw the line re 'somebody, some day, with mutilated ffa' .
asciilifeform: possibly there ought to be not 1 but... 4 null cells
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
asciilifeform: the fundamental riddle is whether this is an ~avoidable~ instance of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1379603 -ism
asciilifeform: mine is also ugly, it is conceivable that somebody, some day, in a broken variant and running with -gnatp, ~will~ write to the zero cell
asciilifeform: i.e. if you see an array reference, you ~know~ that it is valid, because of the type of the index.
asciilifeform: at the risk of repeating myself.
asciilifeform: the fact that an array is indexed by a type which has a range outside of the array's.
asciilifeform: currently seems to me that ~all~ of the possible variants, are similarly ugly
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 17:03 apeloyee: the proper range for a cursor into an array (1..N) is (0.5 .. N+0.5); this is usually shifted to become (1 .. N+1) as in text editors, but no reason not to shift in the other direction, as you did, to (0..N)
asciilifeform: this is not equiv to cursor behaviour in text editors, though. there, cursor always is pointing to a valid fillable cell
apeloyee: 0 is at the boundary
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 13:39 asciilifeform: meanwhile, on the hannoboeck planet, https://neopg.io << usg tool marcus brinkmann proclaims 'clean rewrite of gpg' , with fanfare, spamola ( e.g. http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/12/08/1 ) , 'modernisms', the full shebang.
apeloyee: well it'd turn a pop from empty stack into a range-dipping eggog instantly << the reason I even suggested that 3 weeks ago
apeloyee: "1) ugly" << can't see that.; "2) ... it relies on type ranges for good chunk of the proofolade"<< if you really want, can explicitly declare a subtype of Stack_Positions, omitting 0 from it
apeloyee: (other than convention)
apeloyee: the proper range for a cursor into an array (1..N) is (0.5 .. N+0.5); this is usually shifted to become (1 .. N+1) as in text editors, but no reason not to shift in the other direction, as you did, to (0..N)
asciilifeform: there's an explicit range test construct, btw
asciilifeform: ( at the very least, if range checks are enabled for ffacalc )
asciilifeform: hmm, what if one were to model SP as in apeloyee's analogy, the text editor cursor. i.e. the pos of the ~next~ valid stack cell, rather than 'current'.
asciilifeform: this is true. but 1) ugly 2) possibly will get in the way of sparkism, later; it relies on type ranges for good chunk of the proofolade
apeloyee: if FFACalc code is correct, then it's also safe to omit that zero-indexed element from Stack
asciilifeform: one way i considered doing this, is to do away with all such things as 'SP - 1', 'SP - 2', etc. and instead to have e.g. Get_Stack_First, Get_Stack_Second, etc., each of which individually would ensure that the desired element exists. but these would have to return 'access type' (pointers) which thus far i've avoided using .
apeloyee: an extra element won't save the father of russian democracy (c), if FFACalc stack manipulation code is wrong; e.g. if a 'Want(X)' statement is omiitted
asciilifeform: i'd like to resolve the apparent contradiction between 'all possible SP positions are valid dereferences' and 'stack can be empty'.
asciilifeform: ideally there would be some way to trap any reference to the zero cell, or , failing that, to prove that the zero cell cannot end up referenced.
apeloyee: Logically, SP isn't a reference. It's a cursor, showing the boundary between the valid and invalid elements. If a line in a text editor has N sybols, then a cursor has N+1 valid positions. (Consider that an empty line sill has 1 valid cursor position).
asciilifeform: apeloyee: a long-term goal is to have the whole proggy bulletproof even after building under '-gnatp' ('disable all range checks'). relying on the range check of Stack , vs SP's range, does not go well with this
asciilifeform: i.e. in all cases where the array has a custom indexing type as the index, the array exists over the entire range of said type.
asciilifeform: apeloyee: i dunget why absurd ? my other arrays behave this way.
BingoBoingo: In other shithole factories: meltdown/specte patches are making a bunch of industrial systems wobble! Chinesium's about to get a low more Pinoy
apeloyee: can you think of a way to have the range of SP and of Stack be the same << this is plainly absurd. a N-sized stack has (modulo contents) N+1 possible states: "0 elements", "1 element", ..., "N elements". i.e.the ranges MUST differ, by exactly one.
shinohai: Gotta sell all my Bitcorn before the Missus finds out I spent all our monies on the Bitconnect ponzi.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hey they only nao plugged it back in
asciilifeform: can you think of a way to have the range of SP and of Stack be the same, but to still represent concept of 'empty' ?
asciilifeform: i'm still curious re the SP tho
asciilifeform: aha. ty apeloyee , for taking the sweat to do this.
asciilifeform: this is the #1 type of stylistic fix that i look for -- 'can this be made more obviously-correct-when-used-as-prescribed' and 'can use-as-prescribed be made more obvious'
asciilifeform: proggy ought to be written in such a way that the reader can ~see~ that it is correct.
asciilifeform: and afaik gnat does not know how to prevent aliasing in the general case, but only in a few specific situations ( array copies )
asciilifeform: No_Implicit_Conditionals is working as described on the box : https://docs.adacore.com/gnathie_ug-docs/html/gnathie_ug/gnathie_ug/using_gnat_pro_features_relevant_to_high_integrity.html#controlling-implicit-conditionals-and-loops
apeloyee: then why "it gets nuked by No_Implicit_Conditionals."? wreckers (tm)?
asciilifeform: right, e.g. the range checks
asciilifeform: ffa itself is a sort of tightrope walk, an attempt to 'и рыбку съесть и нахуй сесть' . it isn't actually possible to make all of the routines able to take every conceivable kind of compile-time abuse ( which i'd argue overlap of arguments, is ) without conditional jumps.
asciilifeform: in the general case.
asciilifeform: afaik it isn't actually possible to write overlap-safe routines without implicit (or otherwise) branches
apeloyee: *memory locations of the arguments
apeloyee: I think everything up to ch.5 is safe as long as arguments are either equal or don't overlap
asciilifeform: the 1 caveat re buffers, is that there is a practical limit as to what can be made anticlobbering: if i were to do it to items that occur in inner loops of O(n^3)istic items, e.g. mux, proggy will end up 'geological' 4ever.
asciilifeform: the ch7 one ? yea
asciilifeform: but i can't help but agree with apeloyee re the Product in FZ_Mod_Exp , it gotta be buffered.
asciilifeform: because there isn't actually a limit as to what less-clueful people can break, regardless of what i do
apeloyee: the latter.
asciilifeform: has apeloyee found a specific instance where it can be made to eggog ? or is this a hypothetical 'once less clueful people start changing things' observation ?
apeloyee: what functions can tolerate aliasing of arguments is talked of precisely nowhere. and it's easy to forget about that when changing them later. and aliasing is used extensively.
asciilifeform: prolly FZ_Mod_Exp oughta accumulate Product in a temp, and shit it out in 1shot in the end, like FZ_Mod_Mul.
asciilifeform: it is not my place to make every possible mutilation of the program, safe. ( and is quite impossible )
apeloyee: why should correctness depend on order of the arguments?
shinohai snail-mails diana_coman all my claim updates, looks around forlornly as they all vanish into lbn ....
diana_coman: not by accident either; it's s.mg policy
asciilifeform: the proper way to enforce 'no access to Stack(0)' would be to constrain Stack_Positions to 1 .. Height. but this leaves no way to represent an empty stack.
shinohai: Logged: 09:17 +Hasimir and yes, libgcrypt is part of the larger project, Werner and Niibe are at the core of GNU security.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 11:28 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771004 << it's not me that does it at the expense of obvious correctness, but _you_. instead of having the compiler enforce no access to Stack(0), one is forced to rely solely on manual checking. But enough about that trivial matter; I'll just make the change locally.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771640 << MustNotZero has 0 to do with Stack(0), it is there to keep the tape from creating a div0
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 11:22 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771008 << I doubt you actually understood why (If you had, you would be a lot more worried, per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771010 ). here's a simpler version of the puzzle: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UmpSH/?raw=true . has exactly the same bug.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771637 << your item clobbers the modulus as it runs. what i dunget, is why this would justify making the range of SP wider than Stack itself, as seen in your paste earlier.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
diana_coman: you can play it with whatever client you want, that's the point
shinohai: Text-driven client is the holy grail for some of us Eulora people.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 15:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770890 << to be clear, the idea here is that you pick up the extant eulora client, gut it of the current eulora functionality, put eucrypt in there and proceed to implement your idea. this way you have a proved-to-cross-compile platform to start from.
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771055 << My thought was to scrap the current client in favor of a customized one, with eucrypt protocol as the backbone. Is this 1. not what you want, or 2. a bad idea?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 15:13 asciilifeform: and willing to do so at the expense of obvious correctness ?
apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771004 << it's not me that does it at the expense of obvious correctness, but _you_. instead of having the compiler enforce no access to Stack(0), one is forced to rely solely on manual checking. But enough about that trivial matter; I'll just make the change locally.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 15:15 asciilifeform: if anyone finds so much as the smell of one -- i would like to hear about it, asap.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 15:15 asciilifeform: and yes his example snippet ~will~ barf. and no i won't spoil the puzzle by saying where and how. and no it is not hard to make 9000 similar examples.
apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771008 << I doubt you actually understood why (If you had, you would be a lot more worried, per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771010 ). here's a simpler version of the puzzle: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UmpSH/?raw=true . has exactly the same bug.
mircea_popescu: http://yehar.com/blog/?p=893 << how to save 50 euro for the cost of five plus liberal application of your time (which has no value).
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771626 << shit i used to make these! 1992 represent!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: venmo is a touchscreen software abomination that claims to suck money out of one us account and put it into another
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in 'omfg, there are still thinking people on www somewhere', http://yehar.com/blog/?p=430
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 19:20 phf: re fighting for walmart, dolly parton apparently did a pretty bad rendition of the ballad of the green beret https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7-pnAPcSN4
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771571 << in my family for some reason they favored suit, tie ~and shorts~ combination
mircea_popescu: in other openssl gets prizes, today cisco got lenin prize for secure communications.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 21:34 trinque: lobbes: yes, they crawl for "legitimate content" with good search ranking, steal, put ads next to it
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 20:49 Covale`: and there´s a Lenin there too, on the left: https://calinhera.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/cana-basescu1.jpg
ben_vulpes: everyone's a truuu dom on the internet
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771390 << hey, they all wanna be paid to sit around and social media, why do any work.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "green beret" is literally mentioned in there
asciilifeform: 'seals', 'deltas', 'rangers', at least 3 others that i can't recall immediately from memory
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc that was the 'rangers'
mircea_popescu: (Once theyve been selected, there is no reason they should fail a single portion of the Q-course.)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 19:20 phf: re fighting for walmart, dolly parton apparently did a pretty bad rendition of the ballad of the green beret https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7-pnAPcSN4
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771366 << "a thousand men will test today but only three will green beret" ie, http://trilema.com/2017/color-revolutions-green-or-today-in-usg-corruption-careerism-cronyism-and-malfeasance-in-the-special-warfare-center/#selection-251.260-251.360
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: look into the beria trial some time, lol
deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2018/01/unsystematized-exploration-tropical-ed-no-whichever/ << The Whet - Unsystematized Exploration, Tropical Ed. No. Whichever
mircea_popescu: a little bit of, "hey, women, did you know that before the pantsuited hilarity you had no rights, and she gave them to you ?" "what ?" "o, yeah. ourdemocracy!"
mircea_popescu: great novel title, too, "the public denouncement of past excesses that never actually occured"
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 19:14 asciilifeform: i can't help but picture that eventually they will have to cast ~new~ lenins.
mircea_popescu: the russki kids that "didn't want to" go to afghanistan and went anyway cuz who the fuck is asking them at least had the superficially coherent excuse that they did not believe in the soviet state. the ameritards by comparison "we only believe in it-gives-us-free-monies portion of us, no more", much less of an argument.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 18:52 trinque: and got "shit, I joined the airforce to be in that gay-ass top gun movie, got instead desk, and military downsizing"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771329 << pretty sure it was "i got into airforce to get the teenaged tail mandate, instead got http://trilema.com/when-did-america-end
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine it'll long last, either, so enjoy it while you have it i guess.
mircea_popescu: hey, they naive belief of the enemy that strutting somehow benefits it is rather productive.
shinohai: They got an award for making this, we should keep using it!!!!!
asciilifeform: the ssl derps i'll leave without comment. but the other great hero : 'Over the last 20+ years, Hugo contributed to Internet standards from the early days of IPsec and IKE to the current work on revamping the security of TLS for its "next generation" version, TLS 1.3. He is also a co-designer of HMAC, the widely used message authentication and pseudo-random function. More recently, he designed HKDF, an HMAC-based key derivation functi
asciilifeform: i had nfi there were an nsa prize for 'top useful idjit'
asciilifeform: orld systems. This year one of the two recipients is the OpenSSL team. The other recipient is Hugo Krawczyk.'
asciilifeform: meanwhile in entomology dept, https://www.openssl.org/blog/blog/2018/01/10/levchin << 'Today I have had great pleasure in attending the Real World Crypto 2018 conference in Zürich in order to receive the Levchin prize on behalf of the OpenSSL team. The Levchin prize for Real World Cryptography recognises up to two groups or individuals each year who have made significant advances in the practice of cryptography and its use in real-w
ben_vulpes: oh i forgot the best part, that "he has me cornered"
asciilifeform: phf: re suspend-to-ram -- 1 of the things i still dunget, is why there isn't simply a compartment for sd card in the back of the box ( any of'em, old or new ). let's say after lid closed for 10min, it'd write the ram to the sd. if battery alive -- does nothing. but if dies, then when dc plug reinserted, load back from sd.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 21:44 phf: in further fare news, "SBCL 1.4.3 ships with ASDF 3.3.1, and a number of Quicklisp projects have build problems as a result. Linedit, mgl, micmac, cl-string-match, and others are affected."
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771445 << what i dun get, is why anybody puts up with the liquishit == fork asdf, send the french tard packing; bang! magick! no moar breakages
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771443 << i suspect that they would if there were any money in it
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 21:34 trinque: lobbes: yes, they crawl for "legitimate content" with good search ranking, steal, put ads next to it
mircea_popescu: im not disputing it, i'm just annoyed by the notion.
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm not sure how to evaluate authenticity of whimsy
phf: they tried re-negotiating, and couldn't understand what means "bill gates stepped down", tried asking to speak "to his honorable son"
phf: i believe that in japan land they still have sane hardware produced like that, except they run windows on top of it. some bossman had ritual sake with bill gates (matching honor!) 40 years ago, and since then every japan machine has windows on it
asciilifeform misses the seamless, no-misfires-ever bios-powered suspend-to-hdd of the toshiba 'libretto' box
asciilifeform: ( even the 'extended', when new, was good for ~3 days of warm ram )
asciilifeform: then can pull it out entirely neh
phf: it seems like if i'm going to be power tethered anyway, might as wel lhave a smaller battery purely to keep the ram warm in transport
asciilifeform: aha i never even touched the 'nonextended'
phf: yeah, that battery is a joke, and it's the extended one (the one that sticks out of the frame, unlike the stock smaller one, that i can't seem to find anywhere)
asciilifeform: where incidentally yet another chinese battery lived for <6mo
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 21:51 phf: but unfortunately doesn't work (i've not tried the ttf one, but i suspect it'll render like shit) on those fancy high definition flat screens kids use these days
BigTexasBingo: Thing won't be able to follow you to a place where there's an established lesser role than he imagines for himself
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771304 << from my limited exposure is "we understands business" (which they don't) unlike those guys.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or anything else. at least the lost of symbolics era have something to point to. "omg i wrote emacs!!1" "it sucked" "yeah well."
mircea_popescu: way of the world.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 18:40 phf: nah, they "fought for freedom" such a long time, it'll literally kill them to admit mistake. what's left of that culture plays charades at roman toga theme new years parties in potomac and praises large kitchen, which is a step up from kitchens of 30 years ago
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771302 << i am quite persuaded by this view. what they disliked in bush maps exactly on what we dislike in obama and his herd of subhuman brown orcs ; and more generally what they disliked of hitler (incidentally -- also what they ended up copying of hitler) very much exactly maps on the whole substance of what we don't like in pantsuit.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 18:25 asciilifeform: and on top of this, the folx 'put to pasture at nih' -- or at least the ones not yet senile -- i suspect at this point are ready to come back
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771296 << they could always come back to the republic they failed to create back in 1960 when they should have, instead of dicking about mit as if mit is to fucking be a thing. there was no need of symbolics, nonsymbolics and other symbolics, there was need of tmsr. but... even extremely late is better than never. somewhat.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 18:16 asciilifeform: stickers are for lamerz, they'll laser-engrave Whatever You Like (tm)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771282 << i liked the part where they misspelled "standart". clearly they understand correct republican misspellings.
ben_vulpes: funny aside is that it claims i'm ignoring, when in point of fact the ignorance goes strictly the other direction
ben_vulpes: were i to venture a guess into what's going on in the addled mind it'd be that it thinks the sum is just right to dispatch an annoyance?
asciilifeform: nifty little printer, except 1) the 'dip switches' are imaginary. instead it wastes 2 metres of paper on interactively querying you for config, when you want to reconfig it ( when new , pretty much , i dun see why ever a second time ) and 2) tear bar instead of cutter, is annoying imho.
ben_vulpes: funniest thing to me is that the ask is for ~0.05 btc, which is what, just twice what real tits bring in these days?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 20:29 asciilifeform: in other oldies, seiko's 'DPU414' thermal printer, can be had for <fiddybux, and not only prints 80cols x infinity (continuous tape) but knows how to eat rs232 and... print hexdump (up to 19200 baud)
phf: but unfortunately doesn't work (i've not tried the ttf one, but i suspect it'll render like shit) on those fancy high definition flat screens kids use these days
phf: in further fare news, "SBCL 1.4.3 ships with ASDF 3.3.1, and a number of Quicklisp projects have build problems as a result. Linedit, mgl, micmac, cl-string-match, and others are affected."
trinque: lobbes: yes, they crawl for "legitimate content" with good search ranking, steal, put ads next to it
lobbes: What, I wonder, is the point of such plagiarisms. The links still link to original item on Loper-os; who are they trying to fool? Googlebots mebbe?
Covale`: and there´s a Lenin there too, on the left: https://calinhera.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/cana-basescu1.jpg
Covale`: their president also looks faboulous on a cup: https://calinhera.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/cana-basescu-detaliu-e1438844802883.jpg
asciilifeform: which yes iirc is the 'record holder' re lenins still standing
asciilifeform: the obvious flag
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 04:56 mircea_popescu: buffettism through and through, "Could anyone really believe the earth was going to swallow up the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?"
asciilifeform: ( crapple's ~entire activity, for past ~20yrs, added up to work to ensure that you cannot use the crapple box you were happy with in 2002, today . )
asciilifeform: i'm not even fully convinced that the bga issue did not mask a more deliberate funsurprise, with e.g. a specially crafted slowly-melting 'planned obsolescent' fuse on the die, or the like.
asciilifeform: whether 'cheap' or not, depends on what you get, neh
phf: i actually found a lab that repairs apple motherboards of certain vintage, cheap
asciilifeform: ( the 'real deal' tool is the ir lamp thing, looks a bit like a photo enlarger, with pre-heat bed underneath. i dun have one. i only have the hot air hose. which relies on your bare hands and ir thermometer to follow reflow curve, which is why my success rate is 20-30% , i suspect )
phf: which i suspect is a "bga ball defect" on the secondary video card
asciilifeform: pro tip : dun use the folx recipe with the paint strip gun and kitchen foil. it dun work.
phf: yeah, i think i gotta do that.. my workhorse machine finally died at motherboard (2011 mac, colleges sighed existential relief "finally you can upgrade like a normal human being", not so fast!)
a111: Logged on 2015-08-07 23:43 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229616 << laugh, but this is happening. esp. concerning gpu: several whole generations of nvidia products suffer from the dreaded bga ball defect, and have strictly limited lifespan.
asciilifeform: iirc 6 was the last where it came off. ( could be wrong tho )
asciilifeform: the 1 item folx do, is to pull off the flashroms, you can even buy a ready reader for'em nao. but only turdtroid, crapple has weird proprietary all-in-1 , for which nuffin is (publicly) available at all.
asciilifeform: ( it's part of the pcb )
asciilifeform: phf: not much room to work in, any moar, either -- new crapple iron is aluminum box with 2 custom chips, a custom prismatic li-po cell, and buncha epoxy
asciilifeform: a good % of the 'planned obsolescence' racket is enforced using batteryism.
phf: when i started to apple there was an odd network of apple repair shops, that were completely warranty voiding, but they could do non-trivial operations on a mac (in fact with a few exceptions the owners were knowledgable tinkerers ready and willing to chat about finer points of electronics hackery), the network has been completely destroyed by the bait and switch of "authorization" that apple pulled right after they started the whole apple store thing.
asciilifeform: and this is while i can still get the 'universal' cylindrical cells. they will, i expect, disappear, at some point.
asciilifeform: for instance, at one time there were shops where you could take a e.g. lappy battery pack and they would saw it open, replace cells.
asciilifeform: ( possibly by the tonne , worth ~something . but not +ev to transport anywhere. )
asciilifeform: postcollapse americans are in for some rude surprises : ~0 of the electro-crapola they surround themselves with, is worth ~anything, either as reuse, or salvage
phf: (the answer is that about %10 of shit we would pick up could be desoldered and used, though of course we didn't have any use for it. i suppose metalist career could've started if we started selling what we recovered)
phf: why missed! my first entry into electronics was when my grandpa in his very particular way completely dismissed the value of our electronics loot by saying "yes, but how many of these components actually worked" and then leaving a tester
phf: we had a lofty plan to steal the head of lenin from one of those skladi, but being 12 at the time, we failed to actually procure a saw large enough to make a dent
Covale`: but there is one here apparently: ¨Lenin head statue at the top of Lenin Peak, Pamir Mountains, Kyrgyzstan¨ - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQJGU7dW0AMybIY.jpg
Covale`: asciilifeform, I don´t think we had any Lenins there, as far as I know
asciilifeform: ( prolly not, as metallists would inevitably get to him, like ants get to a corpse in the forest. but just. possibly. one. somewhere )
asciilifeform: when i was walking around in timis, wondered whether some of those boarded-up cellars contained a lenin.
phf: re fighting for walmart, dolly parton apparently did a pretty bad rendition of the ballad of the green beret https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7-pnAPcSN4
phf: see, that little vignette could be used to feed a berlin artist for a year, government grants to develop that idea into full blown art projects. "factory visit" documentaries, interviews with the workers, etc. got bless the nodic system
asciilifeform: iirc the one in nyc was recently stolen
phf: there's an east germany company that still produces lenins for just such occassions. bulk of their orders is arab millionaires and north-eastern u.s. college towns, but sometimes they get an order from the city of warsaw and then honest german craftsmen take special pride in their work, put little creases into construction that help with toppling, special pliant alloys, etc.
asciilifeform: ( or perhaps the destroyed ones, are not really melted, they are stored for this ritual somewhere )
asciilifeform: i can't help but picture that eventually they will have to cast ~new~ lenins.
asciilifeform: and sometimes statue plays same role but 'with minus sign', e.g. in the post-su lands they ~saved~ some lenins, so as to mutilate/tear down in measured doses later , when wanting to give some extra suction treat to western cock
trinque: oh sure. the statue, as per mircea_popescu's definition of art, is a cargo-cultism where the sovereign that put it there is unknown, and dead.
asciilifeform: ( granted, there is not always anything useful ~to~ be learned. )
asciilifeform: 'how didja lose that leg, grandfather?' 'fighting for walmart'
asciilifeform: there's a reason why the folx coming back from the various vietnams, come back with dope habits, instead of menschkeit , phf
trinque: or they'll circumambulate a shitty statue with dicks in hand, hoping this is the ritual that calls meaning down from god
asciilifeform: phf: and them texas bois, every bit as ready to http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-19#1244654 afaik , as ever.