a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 06:19 douchebag: mircea_popescu: I want a career as a pentester, so far I feel I'm doing pretty good in terms of getting experience and reputation in the community. Do you have any suggestions for ways I that could get further on my career path?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774643 << you've been tricked, there's two kinds of pentesters: "modern" ones, which are basically a security equivalent of a coder, they are taught how to use nessus and metasploit effectively so that their parent company can charge $x for a regulatory assurance "penntesting performed, following findings communicated and addressed"
mod6: looking for a few others to repeat the same kinda testing that I did. when we get a few more "thumbsup", then will deed & post to foundation site.
phf: afair though, the subset of commands that we have in vdiff can be reduced to portable awk (i had it working on mac os x), but i don't remember what the necessary changes are. someone mentioned that busybox awk fails..
phf: well, there's another non-portable part there: awk i think is really gawk, but i don't know if linux consistently provides gawk command, so on unix it ought to be | gawk ..., but that might (?) fail in linux
a111: Logged on 2017-08-19 19:29 spyked: asciilifeform, found something (in romanian) http://www.atic.org.ro/ktml2/files/uploads/Masina%20DIALISP.pdf there's also a more detailed english version on ACM sci-hub http://dl.acm.org.sci-hub.cc/citation.cfm?id=802028#
spyked: btw, re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-19#1701132 I asked around for this at some point, unfortunately I couldn't get contact info on any of the authors; leftover iron/documentation could be buried at faculty of electronics tho
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 04:39 mod6: A last question that I had: The original uses /bin/bash, the new changes include changing the shell to /bin/sh, is this intended, if so, why?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774622 << this was left non-deliberately, but it's a safe change. safer than having /bin/bash there. /bin/sh is posix, so any unix is going to have ~something~ there. on this freebsd machine /bin/sh is a pure posix shell, while bash lives in /usr/local/bin/bash
spyked should take some photos next time he goes to the faculty; maybe grab some docs for the archaeologists
asciilifeform: in 1990s it was a cottage industry of sorts. ( asciilifeform was not there for this, only saw thirdhand rumours )
spyked: yes, very! funny enough, one of the people who worked on that (while a student himself) became my PhD advisor. he recently showed me a contraption that ran Basic, CP/M *and* had extensions for apple ii compatibility. (with an extra memory module? was it? I dun remember; anyway, it was soldered to the motherboard using a pair of wires, because no place to stick it in. communism was harsh, but people made the best of it)
spyked: asciilifeform: http://thetarpit.org/uploads/2015/02/hc-85.jpg (though mine was a HC 90 I think). Romanian ZX Spectrum clone, similar to many others discussed here
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YwTUK/?raw=true << Wire information with the name and number to throw in the notes
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 15:08 asciilifeform: the microcomputer was a massive step back, not merely technically ( that'd be fixable ) but sociopolitically.
spyked: re naggum article, "programming is both similar and different. whether you are a user or a programmer these days is often hard to tell (this has good qualities to it, too)" <-- this user/programmer dichotomy being a direct consequence of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774116 maybe? ftr, /me started with a microcomputer and first thing he could do with it, by nature, was program it. even if the "program" consisted merely of LOAD ""
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 07:12 mircea_popescu: tsk. the republic uses v, http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system
asciilifeform is astonished to regularly , as today, encounter folx who are apparently posting from a timewarp, maybe 1998-99 , where they labour under the delusion that 'why not go into programming, it's a guaranteed and comfortable living'
a111: Logged on 2014-01-21 19:00 asciilifeform: "something important happens when a previously privileged position in society suddenly sees incredibly demand that needs to be filled, using enormous quantities of manpower. that happened to programming computers about a decade ago, or maybe two. first, the people will no longer be super dedicated people, and they won't be as skilled or even as smart -- what was once dedication is replaced by greed and someti
asciilifeform: spyked: the 'because people needed' is also , for this purpose, 'a purpose'
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774654 <-- from my experience, learning for a purpose can lead to a personal place of misery. consider http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ ; if anything, rather study computing *because* people who know computer systems are needed today (hard to believe they won't be needed tomorrow either) than for any imagined fame and glory. the romantic image of pentester belongs only to "hacker" movies
BingoBoingo: Was obvious to spot who the counterparty was when they entered the public meeting space. Meanwhile I had been comfortable seated for a bit with coffees on the table.
BingoBoingo: There was small talk
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Used a web escrow thing to keep the kitten comfortable, they deliver benjies, I hit the release escrow button.
asciilifeform: i.e. you showed up with a privkey, and other party -- with benjies ? or wat
BingoBoingo: Did not get mugged, he sent his girlfriend instead of appearing himself (or secretly is the girl)
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 17:18 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774633 <-- --> https://ocw.cs.pub.ro/courses/cns ; shameless plug, I wrote some of the materials there. but ftr, I completely agree with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774650 "security research" actually involves understanding systems; then only then e.g. the fundamental weakness of "C machines" becomes apparent.
asciilifeform: spyked: oh hey just earlier today there was a fella who asked for a freshman intro to exploitations .
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 06:23 mircea_popescu: there is ~some~ actual substance to it, however it's almost entirely a subclass of being a systems programmer.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774633 <-- --> https://ocw.cs.pub.ro/courses/cns ; shameless plug, I wrote some of the materials there. but ftr, I completely agree with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774650 "security research" actually involves understanding systems; then only then e.g. the fundamental weakness of "C machines" becomes apparent.
spyked: re research: coincidentally, was reading http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635871 thread the other day and I can confirm diana_coman's experience.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774802 <-- neh, I'm freshly outta PhD; and outta teaching since late 2016, but still doing that occasionally, mostly for the 1-10% of students who appreciate the beating.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 11:47 diana_coman: question for anyone who studied keccak: do you see any reason for keccak itself to care about msb/lsb? the way I see it, keccak works at bit level, so it eats a stream of bits in the order they come in and it outputs another stream of bits in the order they come out, no need for lsb/msb dance per se
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 06:31 mircea_popescu: aite, here : "does ubervu have a chance of ever being profitable ? absolutely never. there's complicated considerations involved, but principally determinant two : first, and absolutely unsurmountable, is that such products do not add any value, but are merely used in the way witches use crystal balls. exactly in the way. therefore, the more popular witches decide the brand of "best" crystal balls
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774662 << exactly this. some people grasp the lesson after reading ; some -- after 1, 2, 3, however many failed corps and debts and 100% wasted productive years of life and etc
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774669 << if you're in usa or europistan, that's a 'staying above water' wage, nobody's retiring on that, 'early' or late or otherwise
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774654 << if being a 'they are REQUIRED to hire an X' X doesn't turn yer stomach, there are more lucrative usg.bureaucracies than the seekoority racket
a111: Logged on 2015-03-06 03:29 mircea_popescu: if you are one of the people buying belgian rubber concessions on the stock exchanges, you make money. if you're in africa, you make quick with the hands and feet.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-06 03:29 mircea_popescu: making money is a purely ~political~ function. if you are among the favoured elite of the respublica veneta, you then may invest in the ships, and make a profit. if not, not.
a111: Logged on 2014-06-19 01:51 asciilifeform: 'One of various ways of organizing work that economists have identified, a tournament market "offers participants the chance of winning a big prize--an independent research career, tenure, a named chair, scientific renown, awards--through competition," writes Richard Freeman and co-authors. Tournament markets amplify "small differences in productivity into large differences in recognition and reward," Freeman an
a111: Logged on 2015-06-25 00:49 mircea_popescu: there are two overlapping misguiding things here. one is, the tournament market. you wouldn't imagine singer/songwriters are better off than you because britney spears, would you ? nor would you imagine "pundits are rich" because oprah, or limbaugh or whatever.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 06:19 douchebag: mircea_popescu: I want a career as a pentester, so far I feel I'm doing pretty good in terms of getting experience and reputation in the community. Do you have any suggestions for ways I that could get further on my career path?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774643 << this is a terrible idea. it is a tournament market. and by all indications (i.e. yer asking the q) , you're trying to join it as an adult. which promises to be a double-width shitsandwich.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774633 << '9000' places to learn. e.g. the amd manual. or just about any www page on subj. or there's now even an apress b00k, iirc 'low-level programming', that's ~ok . or , or
shinohai: Oh it's running the same Arch linux from old days, contains a copy of trb blockchain and naught else.
asciilifeform: from where did the os come from
shinohai: My pogo has the pl2303x driver :/
BingoBoingo: Meet at mall of my choosing, drink coffee, escrow through the localbitcoins site, hopefully get useful information on el clima aca.
mircea_popescu: in other news, it's so great that you can take a 2 year old article and it's actually fucking useful. but -- a point i think wasn't mentioned and it's a pity : i ~really~ like ben_vulpes code indentation style. those bars.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> contract number, something. does your contract have a number ? << Asking. I have my registration number, but I am asking them for clarity.
mircea_popescu: need an acct # or something, it gets put in the notes.
mircea_popescu: btw BingoBoingo, the thing with the wire : the receiver has to have some way to identify it was ~you~ who sent it. this isn't bitcoin, this is legacy ebcdic crapola, you can very well end up in the situation of "well, we did receive some money mr, but what says it's yours".
mircea_popescu: i was mostly trying to ascertain whether he's got what to eat left.
diana_coman: that is actually clearer than the monthly statements, BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Apologies for the failure to label clearly
mircea_popescu: there we go! nice!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aite ; the one thing missing from your enumeration there, is "gpgram me the story of bbisp fiat holdings ab origine." ; what this means is, i want a list showing "hey, i got $8500 (or w/e the fuck it was) and i spent x, y, z, k, l, leaving me with q". you wrote me a story, as a literary exercise, i want a numeric thing. gpg & send.
mircea_popescu: esthlos it is not standard procedure ; the emerging consensus is to have a dedicated philosophy file which a) all patches must touch (by protocol) ; b) contains comments as to the patcher's state of mind and c) contains one line per patch uniquely identifying it, machine generated. the format's not fixed yet, but as phf is working on a new proper vdiff it's probably going to coalesce around a variant of whatever he uses.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 03:38 mircea_popescu: other than that, these details are disfunctional. compile an actually correct and complete set, without "to be filled later" metasyntactic notations.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774611 << Arranging trades today to test the waters.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 03:40 mircea_popescu: and in general if this current trend continues of 1. i ask for something ; 2. you deliver something entirely else ; 3. i point this out ; 4. nothing happens we're going to have a serious problem. how did you figure these are wire details, what, you never in your life saw a wire ? wtf is "Beneficiario Final: (Razón Social o Nombre Completo del Cliente y N° de Cuenta en Montevideo)" ?
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774614 << I have never seen a wire. I will intinsify my effort to suck less. I am trying to learn without falling into the outcome where we write this off as a learning experience.
esthlos: to determine if b.vpatch descends from a.vpatch, my idea is to scan through b.vpatch and ensure that each ---(file,hash) matches some +++(file,hash) in a.vpatch. is this the standard procedure?
diana_coman: question for anyone who studied keccak: do you see any reason for keccak itself to care about msb/lsb? the way I see it, keccak works at bit level, so it eats a stream of bits in the order they come in and it outputs another stream of bits in the order they come out, no need for lsb/msb dance per se
diana_coman: there's no sign up, lol; just either implement your own or otherwise at least get a signed one, read it and run it
mircea_popescu: tsk. the republic uses v, http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system
mircea_popescu: actually, hanbot is about to genesis mp-wp, you're more than welcome to help down with the paring down effort of that, if you want. mostly php.
douchebag: If you have any other sites you'd want me to check out I can do that
douchebag: In other news, I think this week I'm going to focus on finding an exploit in Pulse Connect Secure and writing a blog about that
hanbot: ty phf & mod6 for vdiff/ulimit fixes --former did the trick, hopefully i'll never need the latter but noted to self in case.
trinque: yeah, they give you the ambien to sleep, then the amphetamines to get going, then the xanax to smooth out the amphetamine jitters
mircea_popescu: if they had any sense, at least.
trinque is curious if the diagnosis came with a prescription.
trinque: douchebag: are you by chance from one of these hyper advanced nordic countries?
douchebag: Idk, what I mean is that I cannot relate to others easily and I have noticed throughout my life that I get much more obsessed with my interest than normal people.
douchebag: If they got it wrong, I don't know what I have. I certainly know I'm not like most people
trinque: this is indeed not autism. it's the cinders left where rage sits too long, used for nothing.
douchebag: When I was younger I told a therapist that and she said that's all common for people with autism, and then I was diagnosed with autism my a doctor
mircea_popescu: i dunno where you got these ideas, but they're without basis in fact or any merit whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: might be the first person cured by republican methods.
mircea_popescu is enjoying this trinque branching out into talk therapy business.
trinque must have autisms, spent most of the weekend in trb guts
douchebag: I'm very high functioning, most people in real life cannot even tell until they have known me for a long time.
mircea_popescu: "i'm the type of person who likes to smoke" "why ?" "a lot of cancer cases in my family". really now!
douchebag: I'm just the type of person who likes to plan ahead, that's all
douchebag: I would like to be successful one day, I don't mind if I don't become super rich however I would like to be able to live rather comfortably and possibly retire early
mircea_popescu: the cost of polishing a hunk of crystal into something more or less ballsyform are degrees of magnitude under the costs involved in convincing a top witch to support your balls. these products can therfore be successful if and only if they're pushed by a market dominator".
mircea_popescu: aite, here : "does ubervu have a chance of ever being profitable ? absolutely never. there's complicated considerations involved, but principally determinant two : first, and absolutely unsurmountable, is that such products do not add any value, but are merely used in the way witches use crystal balls. exactly in the way. therefore, the more popular witches decide the brand of "best" crystal balls
mircea_popescu: do you understand the crystal ball problem ?
douchebag: to try to avoid any security issues that could affect the company
mircea_popescu: according to some people, there's no market in this. eg http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aascii+0day+market
mircea_popescu: there is ~some~ actual substance to it, however it's almost entirely a subclass of being a systems programmer.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, being an "academic" is not a career path. you can in principle go to any sort of school or none whatsoever to make an academic as good as any other, and nobody could discern this by examining you -- ie, there's a lot of dispute as to the training format. after you do or do not, every year you practice you stay at most as good as you were, and your market value generally decreases. eventually they "revolutionize" th
mircea_popescu: here's what i mean : being a doctor is a career path. you have to, mind, HAVE TO go to a certain fixed form schooling ; there's no dispute as to this. after you do, every year you practice you get better, and your market value improves. eventually decay sets in and you retire.
mircea_popescu: well, the problem with it is that it's not actually much of a career path.
douchebag: mircea_popescu: I want a career as a pentester, so far I feel I'm doing pretty good in terms of getting experience and reputation in the community. Do you have any suggestions for ways I that could get further on my career path?
douchebag: I started class today, my teacher provides every assignment the first day of class I'm pretty sure I can complete it all in a few days so I suppose I'll have plenty of time to focus on that throughout this semester
trinque: I dunno about low level exploitation leetsauce, but when I was learning some ppc asm I wrote a sad little scheme in the stuff
shinohai: Was wondering why they didn't reply this past morning: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773920
mod6: A last question that I had: The original uses /bin/bash, the new changes include changing the shell to /bin/sh, is this intended, if so, why?
mod6: It would be good to have others verify the same before we deed this new change & post to the foundation website.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 15:23 deedbot: http://107.170.141.103/2018/vdiff-fixes/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - vdiff fixes
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774125 << Good Evening TMSR. I have followed the steps here, and repeated the given steps with the expected results. Which looks good! I have also done a bit of additional testing on this vdiff change with a local vpatch created with the original, and the new, and then comparing the output vpatches. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Knj0f/?raw=true
asciilifeform: 1st time off the reservation & all.
mircea_popescu: and in general if this current trend continues of 1. i ask for something ; 2. you deliver something entirely else ; 3. i point this out ; 4. nothing happens we're going to have a serious problem. how did you figure these are wire details, what, you never in your life saw a wire ? wtf is "Beneficiario Final: (Razón Social o Nombre Completo del Cliente y N° de Cuenta en Montevideo)" ?
mircea_popescu: other than that, these details are disfunctional. compile an actually correct and complete set, without "to be filled later" metasyntactic notations.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-21 15:25 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do a few trades with the locals to get a feeling of the place an' report ; also gpgram me the story of bbisp fiat holdings ab origine.
mircea_popescu: and in other mosul news, "still digging up corpses".
shinohai: http://archive.is/3uTCK <<< "We have investors that pay us to throw car show. I took funds and invest in BITCONNECT in DEC 2017. They run wit money n I dunno what to do."
asciilifeform: aka the newness tax
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i don't buy new cpu , mobo, or cases, it would mean paying the priced-for-usgcorps 'tax'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774473 << the problem is there's not what to have them do for even 14 hours a week. there's just too many of them, they're just too fucking useless, and they literally expect to live better than their parents. nuttery of the sort wasn't encountered ever since people on sunken titanic expected waltz to sound just as good underwater!!!
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 21:30 asciilifeform: ( by same argument, the 'armoredcoin' youtube clip, also cost.. )
asciilifeform: and, motherfucker, biffsbets.com .
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 21:21 asciilifeform: also operates thelogdailyreport.com , which is a... linkfarm made out of #trilema log
mircea_popescu: see cuz tl;dr, the log daily
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 21:21 asciilifeform: also operates thelogdailyreport.com , which is a... linkfarm made out of #trilema log
BingoBoingo: mistyped, the way to not pay VAT was to pay still more for a "Free Zone User License" The way to recoup some VAT is to search for some sorta hustle to get cash out of the locals.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 20:24 asciilifeform: in other oddities from asciilifeform's wwwtron referlog : http://armoredcoin.org << anybody here wants to confess to authorship of this ? it claims interop with trb , compliance with asciilifeform's '7laws' , etc
asciilifeform: i gotta wonder if BingoBoingo made the mistake of mentioning bitcoin within earshot of the vendor
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 01:14 BingoBoingo: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3nbdH/?raw=true << Sample beefy machine 8328 including everything but the 22% VAT, Apparently per unit price comes down quite a bit ordered in quanity. They haven't been able to find refurb suppliers. Going to send solicitations to local "Gamer" oriented computer shops about importing shit from Newegg et all
asciilifeform: then again i have plenty of iron from before i was born
mircea_popescu: there's girls that were born IN THIS MILLENIUM! and they're not even THAT jailbaity.
mircea_popescu: these are twenty year olds yo! do you understand ? original "pgp is munitions!!!" lulz happened BEFORE THEY WERE BORN.
mircea_popescu: but, one day at a time. this slut -- gpg4win. maybe in the future...
asciilifeform: ffa makes it for the first time both doable and appealing imho.
asciilifeform wonders if we're doomed to return eventually to the cryptoterminal idea.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774412 << you know ? especially on some particularly salient salients that lend themselves well to articlization.
mircea_popescu: well what then, "get ye a bolix, ho!" ?
mircea_popescu: the literal kind, "how shall i deliver this pics of me doing things".
BingoBoingo: I haven't talked with them directly yet. I'm writing the email now asking for a list, including prices for quantities greater than one.
asciilifeform: i gotta wonder tho, if the winturd is full of nag now also
BingoBoingo: They deal with an importer.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 19:34 asciilifeform: phf: on one hand, asciilifeform oughta take better notes. on other , phf really oughta have blog!11
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because they haven't produced a whole list of machines yet.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo why sample machine not the whole list.
BingoBoingo: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3nbdH/?raw=true << Sample beefy machine 8328 including everything but the 22% VAT, Apparently per unit price comes down quite a bit ordered in quanity. They haven't been able to find refurb suppliers. Going to send solicitations to local "Gamer" oriented computer shops about importing shit from Newegg et all
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 19:34 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774395 << what i don't understand is how i can have the same conversation ~with ascii~ over and over again and still he'd be repeating the same original stuff. i don't think it's a question of my blog here, unless you're saying that me saying things in log have no merit because i don't have a blog post to back it up with. this is a novel take by the way, because log used to be canon
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774399 << entirely separate concerns. as to 1, yes, we all have repeated conversations with alf in this vein, i dunno what exactly to do about it ; 2. the quality of your killshot was poor, and it is my theory that this is because the sort of topic would greatly benefit from the cohesive power of an article ; nothing to do with log not being canon, but a matter of collected convenience.
BingoBoingo: It is just on the floor waiting for payment
mircea_popescu: wait, they gave it to you unpaid ?!
BingoBoingo: They just hadn't sent the international routing information in time to put it with the rest before sober time.
shinohai: And the Maytag man won't lose his job to unfair competition from LG
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dun worry about it, got 'em then
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aite how many of these picemeal snippets are there ? 3 ? i got two so far, missing any ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu and the wire transfer routing information http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/uLmlV/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: Mine two are of the sort that were chosen so as to not be too painful if the theiving sort of latinos populated here
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 15:23 deedbot: http://107.170.141.103/2018/vdiff-fixes/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - vdiff fixes
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 15:05 asciilifeform: there's been no significant discoveries, in 80s or 90s.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:55 asciilifeform: the only actual standard in whole fucking machine is the mains cord.
shinohai: No wait, thats the old link hurrr
mircea_popescu: hey shinohai where was the official kleopatra sauce ?
shinohai: http://archive.is/fVvBX <<< Guess I'm gonna have to patent VC spray for Conbase, they are making so much money.
asciilifeform: ( by same argument, the 'armoredcoin' youtube clip, also cost.. )
ben_vulpes: cardanocoin demands what, at least a half a galweegian for two quarters, with the corp markup that's a hundred k at least
asciilifeform: and this other thing also offers 'buy ads here!'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i fail to see the substantial difference
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: betcha it also operates the various cardanocoins, mpexinfos, bitbetwhateverthefucks
ben_vulpes: 18M visits in the last 24 hours seems a bit tall
asciilifeform: also operates thelogdailyreport.com , which is a... linkfarm made out of #trilema log
asciilifeform: and various other spamolade ( depending on who you ask... various expireds also, e.g. as shown in https://archive.is/WuXSq )
asciilifeform: in other lulz, the whois contact in 'armoredcoin' , seachoice@gmail.com , shows up in massive buncha spam domain regs
asciilifeform: the author's failure to show up , is proof of it
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 17:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773923 << well, i suspect they're countrymen. weren't they both from lebanon or somesuch ?
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774215 <- they probably are, yes; still an ugly sight if not worse
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/18/datacenter-costs/#comment-114568 << The contracted numbers for the curious
BingoBoingo: trinque: They sent pricing information for one machine, will forward to you after sober time
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !~later tell mircea_popescu Contracts signed. GPGgram has itemized numbers http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZAvXe/?raw=true Still waiting on them to clarify which SWIFT code to use because apparently EVERY bank branch here has their own.
asciilifeform: http://armoredco.in links also to various mircea_popescu items, e.g. the airgap article
asciilifeform: in other oddities from asciilifeform's wwwtron referlog : http://armoredcoin.org << anybody here wants to confess to authorship of this ? it claims interop with trb , compliance with asciilifeform's '7laws' , etc
asciilifeform: but yes phf in fact described , in considerable detail, how scheme79/83 authors strategically omitted the vlsi synthesis tool from their pubs
asciilifeform: ( and lets'em actually move forward, instead of '1 forward, 2 back' dance of heathendom )
asciilifeform: this helps the threads actually carry through time
asciilifeform: and incidentally, imho the correct response to asciilifeform (or whoever else) being amnesiac and ignoring old point in log, is to... link to it
phf: aight, these are fair points
trinque: phf: I dunno it's that; I could pick out plenty of examples of "trinque said!!" from the log. I think it's just a huge amount of information by now.
asciilifeform: phf: on one hand, asciilifeform oughta take better notes. on other , phf really oughta have blog!11
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 18:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774030 << he has a point you know ; there's A LOT of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760917 because significant impedance mismatch between phf state and phf blog.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774395 << what i don't understand is how i can have the same conversation ~with ascii~ over and over again and still he'd be repeating the same original stuff. i don't think it's a question of my blog here, unless you're saying that me saying things in log have no merit because i don't have a blog post to back it up with. this is a novel take by the way, because log used to be canon
mircea_popescu: anyway, the sluts beckon ; i shall bbl!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774030 << he has a point you know ; there's A LOT of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760917 because significant impedance mismatch between phf state and phf blog.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:37 caaddr: "WARNING: MAY STILL CONTAIN DANGEROUS LEVELS OF SANITY". yes, just a joke. it would be nice to handle them as an exercise in hardware archaeology
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774019 << this leaves one wondering ; hey caaddr how long did you actually spend reading the logs ?
mircea_popescu: what are you going to do, say to it "bitch, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DROWN IN THE FUCKING SINK, RELAX ALREADY1!11" ?
mircea_popescu: oh, im convinced it's a natural problem. like you know, 2yo taking a bath in the sink, holding on to your thumb with all its might.
mircea_popescu: middle management likes "byte" for the same reason it likes excel.
asciilifeform: the lack of an fpga where i could go straight to demonstrating this experimentally, is a pretty substantial headache for asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: there's one thing it can't express too well (well here means -- in such a way as to guaranteedly and inescapably inconvenience EVERYONE) and that is, a certain notion of finality.
asciilifeform: no particular reason to hardwarize them explicitly.
mircea_popescu: "then we could have cut one off at birth and walked on one leg and one wing like it were the future!"
mircea_popescu: for the country of the lame that somehow convinced themselves "it's man's nature to hop -- if god wanted man to walk he'd have given him wings"
mircea_popescu: but yes, "ffa mostly exists to show you that no, you actually DO NOT have a leg there".
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773999 << it's not clear that this separate-and-oh-so-different-this-time attempt to implement dwim has any more merit than any of the previous ones. for as long as i can't say "paperclip, write the novel i feel inside of me", you can't say "software transformation compiler".
asciilifeform: ( again in re individual built item, e.g. ffa, rather than whole gnat )
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 01:38 asciilifeform yet again, for 3rd time in 2 yrs, attempted and failed to build a 'zero foot print runtime' for gnat -- to abolish the 3MB of liquishit it shits into every executable.
asciilifeform: it is -- if you were to subtract the rtl ( see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1743984 misery ) doable even now.
mircea_popescu: but the "required to compile binturd"...
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:26 asciilifeform: caaddr: this is why you disasm and audit the bin before deploying to the rocket
mircea_popescu: weren't them doods old ?
BingoBoingo: In other sad news, Slayer announced their farewell tour. Another metal band falls to the Raggaeton onslaught.
mircea_popescu: (holy shit these illiterate schmucks, so they spell it impetuous as the adjective but "impetus" as the noun. what the everloving fuck is this and where did my diaresis go!)
mircea_popescu: (which -- how come nobody goes "hey, rms wasted through failing to save so and so engineer years in that whole fiasco". there's this very iritatingly wikipedian attitude of universalist nonsense, "we decided on x all avoidable sacrifice is going to be piously frauded into necessary now". and i dun like it.)
mircea_popescu: iirc it was at least on the surface the impetuus/justification for the fruitless excursion in desert that was gnu attempt.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:23 caaddr: GNATMAKE 4.9.2 is the answer to the now redundant question. I'll use adacore instead. I had avoided this because it contains precompiled binaries, with no independent reproducible build certification
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:22 asciilifeform: this would seem to create the unpleasant situation of having just 1 adatron. but it is not clear to me that there ever were 2. there was only adacore and broken-adacore (aka gcc-gnat)
asciilifeform: this ties in interestingly with the #mod6 thread also
mircea_popescu: ~same thing as "received holy book", ie why the eastern version yielded "orthodoxy".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but ~the concept~. "none of this makes any sense but it happened to schelling point yearsd ago back when this decaying empire was slightly better so what can we do".
caaddr: I'd tell somebody that too if I wanted to eat them
mircea_popescu: i believe it is very important to inform the kids what the adults are up to, you know ?
mircea_popescu was once left with fambly's 4 yo daughther while they ran around setting the table etc for later dinner, proceeded to convincingly tell the little girl the whole preparation's really to EAT HER. ran off screaming/was skittish the whole rest of the day.
mircea_popescu: caaddr dun worry about it, i just ask cuz im curious not cuz i'm setting up the table to eat you.
mircea_popescu: o hey! castles cacthin' steam are they ? win.
mircea_popescu: there's no rush.
mircea_popescu: item's been looking for someone to pick up the "no, really mp, anonimity is actually a net positive" torch for a long time now. be my guest.
caaddr: various computing sector tasks. like all modern men, I can skin a rabbit, smelt my own copper, build my own hut. computational equivalents, of course. strangely these turn out to be valuable traits, though easily gotten
caaddr: let's see about the value of my vpatches
mircea_popescu: so are you basically an engineer flattering himself on the grounds of "hey, online brokerages let anyone open an account these days!" then ?
mircea_popescu: also lulzy, but a topic for another time.)
mircea_popescu: (for the noobs : arbitrage as a financial "fashionable" item, the sorta thing tom cruise might be doing to explain why he has all that money and time to pursue "slavegirls" came to light during the 70s mergers and acquisitions craze (aka, m&a), where the success/failure of an attempt to takeover induces significant yet economically meaningless price movements. the whys and wherefores of both the behaviour and its effects are
caaddr: the hovercars will be programmed in ada
mircea_popescu: you're sitting there and telling me you're a suit with a working comprehension of the underlying technology ? what the fuck is this, the future ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to me either. i'm mostly putting the matter into over-enunciated discussion to get the thinkjuices flowing on the topic, as it's gonna be the main bitch for years to come.
mircea_popescu: who is this guy anyway ? do we get to that part in the log ?
mircea_popescu: people put their email in there all the time ; which got zimmerman banned in my book, because i wrote to the email and he responded that he "long ago lost the key".
caaddr: trinque: so the only use we have is actually a *negative* use
a111: Logged on 2018-01-21 22:34 phf: mircea_popescu: it's not clear to me what "properly handle" is, given the many conversations on the subj. there's no reason why it couldn't if there was some direction as far as proper. i'm personally leaning towards the idea that binary blobs shouldn't be in vpatch (as per latest thread on subj), but it's a non-pragmatic take
mircea_popescu: do you build ON his thing, and then run into http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-21#1773628 ? or do you NOT build on his thing, cutting out a younfg and promising fellow into another polarbeard ?
asciilifeform: there will be a tmsr gnat; and will be based on a cleaned-up adacore gnat.