deedbot: asciilifeform rated deedbot 10 << exactly as printed on the crate.
asciilifeform: !!rate deedbot 10 exactly as printed on the crate.
deedbot: asciilifeform updated rating of shinohai from 1 to 3 << heathendom newsdesk; pogotronics, trb, FG experimenter
asciilifeform: !!rate shinohai 3 heathendom newsdesk; pogotronics, trb, FG experimenter
deedbot: asciilifeform rated shinohai 1 at 2015/08/01 16:39:32 << therealbitcoin testing
deedbot: asciilifeform updated rating of danielpbarron from 2 to 3 << operates heathenbux-denominated FUCKGOATS dealership; trb experimenter; history of doing The Right Thing
asciilifeform: !!rate danielpbarron 3 operates heathenbux-denominated FUCKGOATS dealership; trb experimenter; history of doing The Right Thing
asciilifeform: hey trinque -- when's the last time wot.deedbot.org db was regenned ? for instance it still dun show asciilifeform's rating for diana_coman
deedbot: asciilifeform updated rating of phf from 3 to 4 << ru lisper, bolixologist, philosopher ; http://btcbase.org/patches ; http://btcbase.org/log ; long history of consistently doing The Right Thing, inquire within
asciilifeform: !!rate phf 4 ru lisper, bolixologist, philosopher ; http://btcbase.org/patches ; http://btcbase.org/log ; long history of consistently doing The Right Thing, inquire within
deedbot: asciilifeform updated rating of BingoBoingo from 3 to 4 << long history of consistently doing The Right Thing; bisp expeditionary force; inquire within.
asciilifeform: !!rate BingoBoingo 4 long history of consistently doing The Right Thing; bisp expeditionary force; inquire within.
shinohai: Hey the smiley face turned into cyclops!
mircea_popescu: and in other "storage ideas to make the most of your new york apartment", http://78.media.tumblr.com/ff28f8f3c38b47d61f479bac676d0bf0/tumblr_mp7js6U0yU1sxvn8oo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: aite well, that should be enough for now then!
mircea_popescu: yo! MISSING OUT ON ALL THE THINGS!
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated herbijudlestoids 1 at 2017/06/03 04:25:59 << missed on all the things.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i have nfi re the relation, but iirc you introduced veen as a meatspace l1
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly d00d did not trust himself to not even further betray principles when he's in the nato prison and hanging upside down
mircea_popescu: the latter, at least afail.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: proper-rape or 'shown the instruments' ?
mircea_popescu: ^ dude got raped by the canadian government, who the fuck heard of this nonsense, "you are a respected businessman with a functioning business, here's the petrol"
mircea_popescu: dooglus yo, i like you, but at some point you'll have to choose between sticking with the stockholm syndrome and moving on with your life. i'd like to hear it explicitly ; and for that matter so would you.
mircea_popescu: !!rate DicePower -1 tried teh anal child behaviour, didn't do anything for him. by all means, "he just didn't try it the right way", i'm sure.
mircea_popescu: !#s thenewdeal
asciilifeform: wasn't gigavps, on top of this, a tentacle of mtgox ? ( or was that another pseudo-isp derp )
mircea_popescu: anyone recall that ? "o hey, it got gigavps kicked out of bitcoin, but i don't know any history so why the hell not!"
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated crescendo -1 at 2015/09/24 21:29:35 << Aka Eric Martindale. Nice job trying to sell me/MPEx bitpay shares a week before information was to come out that'd render them worthless. Say hello to Daphna for me.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shit, give it a minute till i finish, it doesn't do the name per line thing and we'll end up confused.
deedbot: asciilifeform updated rating of apocalyptic from 2 to -1 << went off to heathendom; apparently it's all the same to him
trinque: squattin all the names!
mircea_popescu: !!unrate thebutterzone
mircea_popescu: !!rate Chillum -1 could have had, did not, there's no way out of it now.
mircea_popescu: !!rate funkenstein_ -1 i can't even recall what exactly he got butthurt over, but has been hoovering ever since trying to affect the specific sort of libertard aloofness that makes it all okay in their religion.
mircea_popescu: !!unrate the_scourge
mircea_popescu: heh, remember the manul gurl ?
TomServo: heh, just recently acquired the fg. Didn't want to start a blog just to emit noise.
mircea_popescu: so what's with the glacial pace, i dun get it.
shinohai: The blood .... it runs deep today.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck am i gonna do about mike_c.
mircea_popescu: !!rate thickasthieves -1 rando with no useful skills and various emotional issues of the cuck variety bonus on the side.
mircea_popescu: !!rate pankkake -1 random nut, various emotional issues of the cuck variety.
mircea_popescu: !!rate midnightmagic -1 hovering about since forever, came to nothing to date, and that's all the time he had.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: From the department of books http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vBgLw/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: !!rate cory -1 hovering about since forever, came to nothing to date, and that's all the time he had.
mircea_popescu: !!rate onefixt -1 bought pirate "debt" against protorepublican consensus at the time, went bankrupt for it. there's a lesson in there.
mircea_popescu: !!rate nanotube -1 took the blue pill at some point prior to the republic, chasing the tenure dream somewhere lost in the imperial wastes.
mircea_popescu: very much apologies for the noise ; wut can i do.
shinohai: She had a way of instilling those, despite my best efforts at trying to show her the light.
shinohai: ben_vulpes: She had a clone coin that incorporated "smart contracts" like ETH, it got pwnd twice. So then they totally switched it to a blackcoin clone. Also failed.
shinohai: lol I think covertress wound up getting lost at sea, after the switch from ETH to Proof-of-Stake failed spectacularly.
mircea_popescu: !!rate covertress -1 mendacious lulzcow, entertained with idle posturing (of the "businesswoman" flavour) sometime in prehistory.
mircea_popescu: !!rate copumpkin -1 utter pantsuit shithead, willing to cut his own head if that helps pretend everyone's equal.
mircea_popescu: eh, the minor disadvantage of lordship, gotta keep public records more or less in shape.
mircea_popescu: !!rate jcpham -1 fucktard that showed up early and proved to be useless ; got butthurt over his attempt at paintsuit injection being rebuffed back when i was trying to ROTA, has been hoovering ever since trying to affect the specific sort of libertard aloofness that makes it all okay in their religion.
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated jcpham 1 at 2012/09/28 05:08:54 << He was going to get less than a house but more than a car from pirate. Except then he didn't.
mircea_popescu: sorry ben_v, i cauhgt dylsexia from the young sluts.
mircea_popescu: you know... one of these days, in your good time, you might switch to the new p.bvlupes format...
BingoBoingo: And I forgot the amounts in that one
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "ho-tel, or the cycle of womanhood", http://78.media.tumblr.com/b206f9dd669f1e2c90d80a11adab2d4c/tumblr_mi8atzWTzj1qg3iveo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: wouldja mind putting it all together into an item plox\
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: the street address http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/w4U2U/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2018-01-24 17:07 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775207 << impressive. Makes me think about the self-referential nature of logs. As time moves forward, being able to say "I read x unit-of-time worth of logs" will require more and more reading to comprehend same unit-of-time due to growing "webs of threads"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775228 << oh, i don't expect she actually understood anything. but hey, youth is the label we put on "i am watching the things go by and i have no idea what;s going on".
mircea_popescu: don't they have a fucking iban like sane people in uruguay ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you're still missing an address for the dc ; and is that number their actual acct # with their bank or is it some sort of corp registrstration number or what.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-24 17:47 RagnarDanneskjol: I have registered a ton of domains for friends who don't like using Banks over the years.
asciilifeform: and this is the charitable interpretation.
asciilifeform: this would appear to be the problem, RagnarDanneskjol , you are apparently unable to distinguish 'ornament' from function
RagnarDanneskjol: I am just busywith work, often reading the logs in several weeks behind and doing extensive requisite study to actually keep up with you boys. I'm happy to commit some time when it avails.... I've even gone and upset the boss now because I didn't have enough time to train ornamental candidates on VPN/irc stuff
asciilifeform: you could have had an actual product, instead of the empty rubbish www
asciilifeform: here's what i dungetatall, RagnarDanneskjol : why you never showed up here with the sane-wallets thing ? there are folx who are interested , could have worked with you
RagnarDanneskjol: Yes I keep things on public www so it forces me to maintain and update my content. I think the adspace is just leftover from the template I borrowed from drudgereport
asciilifeform: really, they went away ?
RagnarDanneskjol: That was a page where I used to keep all sorts of fabulous links from Qntra, the whet, trilema, etc
asciilifeform: trinque: the man has some cheek , neh
trinque: imagine with all the faffing about you did here, you could've done something worthwhile
trinque: and the logs link farm?
asciilifeform: oh i dun give a rat's arse whether RagnarDanneskjol deletes or not
RagnarDanneskjol: If you'd like to test one of the kits out for yourself I'm happy to send it to you for free
RagnarDanneskjol: It's just a model of how I do my own air gap wallet signing and I thought I would build it into something else. No it's not concrete or whatever I'll go ahead and delete all of it right now so you don't have to worry about it. I guess the date was a time frame I wanted to put on myself for some reason. I don't even remember
RagnarDanneskjol: Because it was just an idea I started sketching out one night and it wasn't for anyone's consumption or consideration other than myself at this point
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 20:24 asciilifeform: in other oddities from asciilifeform's wwwtron referlog : http://armoredcoin.org << anybody here wants to confess to authorship of this ? it claims interop with trb , compliance with asciilifeform's '7laws' , etc
asciilifeform: why is THIS -- http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774415 << the first mention of 'armoredcoin' in the logs ?
asciilifeform: and even 'Armoredcoin abides by the 'Seven Laws of Sane Personal Computing''
asciilifeform: despite the fact that, e.g., 'Armoredcoin is a set of instructions based on the airgap gold standard described by the man himself. Mr. Popescu further delineates boundries separating actual security from security theater'
asciilifeform: soo RagnarDanneskjol , how come you did not come and offer any of us to buy your Team Armoredcoin is proud to release the brave, new AC1 Control Kit 'Woodchipper' - the first auditable production Bitcoin control system available to the public' item ?
asciilifeform: #tlogs-themed linkfarm, srsly ?
asciilifeform: and, srsly, thelogdailyreport.com ?
RagnarDanneskjol: I have registered a ton of domains for friends who don't like using Banks over the years.
RagnarDanneskjol: Yes, I tried to get a few people to help with deedbot, at pools, etc in the past
asciilifeform: or was he behind one of the failed attempts at actual deedbot ?
BingoBoingo: Well, alf did you see the quality of his Chinese gurl interviews
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 01:42 asciilifeform: and, motherfucker, biffsbets.com .
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ~somebody~ ( him, or whoever pretending to be ) is the lowest possible cheap spammer, attempting cynical grift chiseling off tmsr, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774586 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774590
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 20:26 asciilifeform: http://armoredco.in links also to various mircea_popescu items, e.g. the airgap article
a111: Logged on 2018-01-24 05:42 mircea_popescu: in other shit you never heard before, new slut claims to have read the previous month's worth of logs ~last night~. i think i'm moving the bar to "a minimum of 65 years' worth of log reading" on the basis of this one datapoint.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775207 << impressive. Makes me think about the self-referential nature of logs. As time moves forward, being able to say "I read x unit-of-time worth of logs" will require more and more reading to comprehend same unit-of-time due to growing "webs of threads"
lobbes: Phunphakt: USGoogle, on a search for "betters" returns the definition along with the classification "dated; humurous" so as to implicitly reinforce "all things equal" mantra
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775015 << Though I will warn readers: I am slow.. (but steady). Though the general strategy of "keep snr > 0 and try and learn from my betters" appears to be working
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in other news, apparently yahoo owns tumblr ? i had no idea. << Happened a while back during the "Yahoo as conduit for funneling money into brands" era
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-24 02:59 mircea_popescu: also fyi, "faculty" is how you say the body of teachers, maybe. it dun has the ro meaning at all whatsoever. university would work, campus, whatever.
spyked: (ftr, /me got his first ubuntu cd "for free" at a "computer conference" mid-2000s; fortunately, his first linux install was a red hat at a now defunct internet cafe in bucharest; to this day I have no idea why they wanted me to install that, 90% of the people went there for "counter strike", the other 10% for diablo 2)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-24 02:35 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774869 << no, it's because the boys wanted to grab ass so they introduced the punched card to have a reason to hire a buncha secretaries.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775009 <-- hah, if this is the reason for the whole "users" thing, then it also explains "ubuntu: linux fo' dat ass"!
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 23:00 spyked: hi! sorry for the radio silence. I've been working myself out of various irl swamps lately (still in progress). following in read-only mode though.
mircea_popescu: aaaand in other girls in tech, http://78.media.tumblr.com/6b909ee223960e6f7ca211a0ca338f85/tumblr_n91xsvlf151sgft1ao1_500.gif
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/and-that-in-the-distance-is-the-ocean/ << Trilema - And that, in the distance, is the ocean...
mircea_popescu: in other shit you never heard before, new slut claims to have read the previous month's worth of logs ~last night~. i think i'm moving the bar to "a minimum of 65 years' worth of log reading" on the basis of this one datapoint.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775148 , http://78.media.tumblr.com/569f1816bc58143af87d45fa94123524/tumblr_nqttorpij61rbrhnko1_500.gif
asciilifeform pulsates on merelt thinkin 'bout going there.
mircea_popescu: why, there's many towns all through asia built on tigdic principles.
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder the sad strip of land on either side of ocean doesn't consist of idiots running in and out of doors with barrels, trying to steal the sunlight in them.
mircea_popescu: or was that square or circle or whatever random word the pantsuit is trying to steal today.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1774957 << aren't these the shitheads that tried to cozy up in like 2014ish, then obviously swiched ?
mircea_popescu: and in other blind trusts, http://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgbmggCror1qaj9a3o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: can model the behaviour of same mouse.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 20:22 phf: trinque: the function used to be performed by a teacher with a ruler
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774947 << this is not clearly so. teacher with ruler function was to teach them bravery (more properly, unteach them the innate cowardice of human race). this is subtly different ; there's also a subtle difference between empathy as "capacity to model" and the bare capacity to model as such -- yes the similarity between mouse that loves a mouse and spider that eats a mouse is that they both
mircea_popescu: in other news, apparently yahoo owns tumblr ? i had no idea.
mircea_popescu: THIRTEEN was the age of majority for french kinds. by then "they had seen a few wars, fucked a few horses, rode a few women, ready to rule"
mircea_popescu: ideal humanity would have constructed ladder of pseudouseful ("hey, make your own V!") to support the kids until they grow the fucking graybeard spontaneously on 3xth birthday so they don't go off the deep end as antsy 16yos/26yos with no release
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 20:04 trinque: which, it's sorta appropriate for the age. it's frankly someone else's fault the strapping lads aren't being forced into productive activity.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774922 << truthfulyl, it's the fault of the complete disappearance of any kind of approachable useful activity.
asciilifeform: or hanbot's vignette with the ducks
mircea_popescu: !#s "the stain"
mircea_popescu: they weren't THAT bad, i ate a few myself.
asciilifeform: 'forgive me, bro' 'hey, i'll forgive, but phenolphthalein won't forgive, prepare to live in the toilet'
asciilifeform: from his brother's workbench
asciilifeform: the story where 3yo asciilifeform ate a litmus strip
mircea_popescu: yet another word i knew!
asciilifeform: there was an old story...
mircea_popescu: what clouds your eyes is the notion that "civillian dun need to understand why, it will work for him". yes, but he has to understand why ~TO USE IT~. see ?
mircea_popescu: the big question is ~WHAT TO TAKE OUT~.
mircea_popescu: in fact, it's right in there with n-space extensions.
mircea_popescu: the notion of number requires a phd. and ffs is more fundamental math than things such as infinitesimal calculus.
mircea_popescu: the notion of gravity is not elementary. the notion of magnetism is so fucking elementary it was observed 1k years before electricity and it still lacks a proper model.
asciilifeform: i'd expect , they were mostly interested in dueling and cards
mircea_popescu: this is not because the notion of number "is light on math -- 3rd grade". but specifically because it is not. nothing odf the fucking sort.
mircea_popescu: you understand, in frege's day "inquiries into the nature of numbers" were VERY uninteresting to kids in teh gymnasium
asciilifeform: ( they dun teach longdiv till 3rd here )
asciilifeform: not in ffa either, lol
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774923 << arguably maybe not yet, but in another decade or so it prolly will be.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774921 << amusingly i read it as a "well, gotta put best foot forward and don best suit", kinda unconvinced of why or what the fuck subjhectively, "but what can you do". which is why i just ignored it, triggered none of my tripwires. while apparently hitting TWO DIFFERENT!!! immune system protein pathways in two different people.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 19:54 lobbes: It appears such to someone with actual skills such as phf. But for one for whom it is a "well, what else is there?", it seems like the rational move
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774916 << he has it exactly ; for all the "intrinsic humanity" blah blah, humans are contextual automatons. "it would have never occured me to x" is the most common comment in all natural languages, unvoiced because so fucking trite.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 19:52 phf: i can see the education angle, and how it fails these people, but what i'm surprised about is the lack of personal drive? it's some kind of learned helplessness
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774906 << publish it sometime ; and also since on this trinque i'd like to use whatever wot.deedbot uses to spit the round svg graph to make a "trilema article links" thing. can i get it somewhere ?
asciilifeform: ( i miss how quiet the 486 was , actually )
mircea_popescu: fuck that, gime one of the vidcards with THREE FANS
asciilifeform: i had 'adlib' by the time i got copy of civ
mircea_popescu: now this is going to run on loop in my house and the girls will lose their mind and come seek you alf and tear your liver out before your eyes
phf: that was cm-500, it's got flatter soundbank than mt-32. but to be honest first time i heard either was after i moved to us, and it's frankly weird to hear all those classic tunes in such epic renditions. though i guess soundblaster that everyone had in ru wasn't bad either
asciilifeform: i liked the 'ru' ( blatant 'дубинушка' ) intro. and ditto
mircea_popescu: anyway, it was the rondeau by mouret. but it never heard a proper variant played on like yopu klnow, actual fucking musical instruments, that i even half as much liked.
mircea_popescu: in THAT specific variant, imo it gains a lot from the speaker.
asciilifeform: then thought 'wtf am i doing, wai'
asciilifeform: i admit, i was tempted, last night, to actually debug the crash
asciilifeform: civ1 for me was ~the~ civ.
mircea_popescu: but yes it was the damned intro. maybe it comes to me.
mircea_popescu: now if only i had a blog from 1993 i could dig in and find what the fix was.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, that actually was a known problem at the time! i REMEBER THIS
asciilifeform: speaking of which, i tried to civ1 on that hp800 box, and it dies with div0 during the intro ( drops to shell, stays in 320*200 tho, and... music -- keeps playing!? somehow! )
asciilifeform: at 19 imho is on the border
asciilifeform: linked item is notable however because not a covox : it emulates the isa sb, which had a microcontroller, but ~without~ one, with raw ttl fsm
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774899 << the most concerning aspect to my eye is what asciilifeform calls "xp pointism" or whaty was it, basically he's swallowed the oreilly/pmarca hunk of nonsense and is scorting imaginary points "in" an imaginary "community".
mircea_popescu: there we go.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-24 02:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774880 << communism was harsh but at least it kept the idiots down.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 19:25 phf: if you're in the first category, you're going to be paid peanuts to do bitch work, if you're in the later category then by 19 (or whatever) "how to pentest career!1" is going to be ~the last fucking question~ you're going to ask a channel full of autodidacts
asciilifeform: in usa that's a 'department' but i hate the wurd
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 18:39 phf: afair though, the subset of commands that we have in vdiff can be reduced to portable awk (i had it working on mac os x), but i don't remember what the necessary changes are. someone mentioned that busybox awk fails..
mircea_popescu: also fyi, "faculty" is how you say the body of teachers, maybe. it dun has the ro meaning at all whatsoever. university would work, campus, whatever.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 18:29 spyked should take some photos next time he goes to the faculty; maybe grab some docs for the archaeologists
shinohai: "Benebit, one of this year’s most hyped ICOs, has pulled an exit scam .... The fraud only came to light after someone noticed that the team photos had been stolen from a school website."
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774880 << communism was harsh but at least it kept the idiots down.
mircea_popescu: mod6 top of the list of potential inductees for this year methinks.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 17:59 spyked: re naggum article, "programming is both similar and different. whether you are a user or a programmer these days is often hard to tell (this has good qualities to it, too)" <-- this user/programmer dichotomy being a direct consequence of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774116 maybe? ftr, /me started with a microcomputer and first thing he could do with it, by nature, was program it. even if the "program" consisted merely of LOAD ""
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774869 << no, it's because the boys wanted to grab ass so they introduced the punched card to have a reason to hire a buncha secretaries.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform romanian has it. it's mostly used to denote taking the bus w/o a ticket / going to exam with a cheating mind.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile "programming", in the sense (and i quote exactly), "I'm working in corporation in finance and procurement department, so I can sum up my life with : excel, excel, excel, SAP, a little bit more excel" is not actuially a job 90% opf the walkers can do.
asciilifeform: ( is there an engl word for it, btw ? )
mircea_popescu: ie, there's two ways to control overabundant supply : through price and through convention. the union is the latter mechanism.\
mircea_popescu: which is the traditional point of the expression "union town" : a job you ~could~ do, but won't be allowed to.
mircea_popescu: yes, but that takes skill. waitressing takes a pulse and not oversleeping too often because you whored out / smoked yourself blank the previous night.
asciilifeform: errything's a uniontown. incl. the sort of programming anybody might actually want to be involved with
mircea_popescu: you never heard the expression "union town" have you
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what honest fucking trades. like what, you open a lemonade stand, and through thrift and industry you end up owning all of the east end lemonade trade ?
asciilifeform: there are still such things as welders, sailors, machinists, surgeons, etc
phf: like a shoe cobbler or a lathe machinist?
mircea_popescu: it's either programming, "psychopathy" or else you go on the dole. and no, the sort of job parole officer gets for you ain't anything BUT the sort of "job" "social worker" gets your sister, ie "sit home, be rapebait, here's your supplemental whatever card"
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 17:35 asciilifeform is astonished to regularly , as today, encounter folx who are apparently posting from a timewarp, maybe 1998-99 , where they labour under the delusion that 'why not go into programming, it's a guaranteed and comfortable living'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774865 << what is the fucking alternative, if you're not the sort that can shoot someone in the head, all point blank and cool as shit ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 17:29 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774654 <-- from my experience, learning for a purpose can lead to a personal place of misery. consider http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ ; if anything, rather study computing *because* people who know computer systems are needed today (hard to believe they won't be needed tomorrow either) than for any imagined fame and glory. the romantic image of pentester belongs only to "hacker" movies
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774857 << speaking of this, it occured to me earlier in teh car that if the current "intelligent car ; self drives" trend continue (as it doubtless will), the net result will in short order be a standardization of curves.
mircea_popescu: can pick whosoever is the mark through the trivial process of their all but screaming it.\
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774856 << loller. this, btw, VERY much a thing. i dunno how they survive, but if i wanted to make a life as a thief here, easily could.
asciilifeform: speaking of optics , asciilifeform found today that chinese sell a qrcode-reader thing, the size of a matchbox, with rs232 output (i.e. self-contained, needs no softwarism) , eats 5v , ~20bux
ben_vulpes: live in the ghetto, scrape pennies to buy btc. zillion times better than investing in the stock market bezzle or any of the other mad 401k/roth lockup chumpatrons
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 16:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774669 << if you're in usa or europistan, that's a 'staying above water' wage, nobody's retiring on that, 'early' or late or otherwise
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774819 << he's like 19 and in chicago. this was in the logs!
mircea_popescu: o hai there.
ben_vulpes: but precisely that with drop-in webforms and recurring payments and all sorts of tools for people who can't make their own
ben_vulpes: prepare for the lost decade of alts
shinohai: What a great log, too much to link to but I learned things same way - took apart my trash80, then the 8088's. My room was littered with such stuff.
lobbes: Was only there where I actually took apart old 90's machines, saw and held motherboards, connected power supplied, and interfaced with DOS. if only for a short time.
lobbes: If it weren't for the (wholly optional) "pc repair" class I took in high school (~2004) I never would have gone beyond the "how to MS Word" in the mandatory "Computers" class.
phf: trinque: the function used to be performed by a teacher with a ruler
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750682 << in retrospect, regarding the matter cooly and with the disinterest of old age, i can affirm that this is ~the only important and enduring portion of computing as an education tool in my life. it's what feeds eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749457 and everything in between ands up to that : the 6yo mp's discovery that there exists a numeric universe underneath, and that it's t
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 19:27 asciilifeform: to revisit the micros : it is interesting that NOBODY today makes a comp of any description that presents the eye with a programmable prompt immediately on power up.
trinque: gonna need a device someday to sit 'em down in, makes them track a red dot on the wall. if they lose it, electric shocks to the bum and the dot moves faster.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 20:10 phf: i guess the main differentiator is whether or not douchebag actually wants to hack, in which case it's going back to commodore thread. between esl education and ipad there's no obvious direction of exploration, that he can take the way we could take it in the 90s
trinque: aside the marginal actual medical cases of malformed brain, or w/e
trinque: ftr "empathy" is not caring about anyone; it's being able to model them. not having it just means you were given ADD by the blinkenlights as a child.
trinque: they're trying to teach them autism, so later they mistake their lack of capacity for attention as such.
ben_vulpes: "oh they like to cozy up to it and pretend to be business people. some even haul the cash register over too!"
ben_vulpes: "pardon me, but what on earth do you have the toddlers using /that/ for?"
phf: i guess the main differentiator is whether or not douchebag actually wants to hack, in which case it's going back to commodore thread. between esl education and ipad there's no obvious direction of exploration, that he can take the way we could take it in the 90s
phf: right, sort of like how they used to ask "how do i learn hacking?" as an opener on kiddie channels
trinque: which, it's sorta appropriate for the age. it's frankly someone else's fault the strapping lads aren't being forced into productive activity.
lobbes: And the new dawn of "babies watching youtubes" isn't gonna help this learned helplessness. Just cement it
lobbes: Very much a cargo cultism, I would say. Cannot conceive of the workings of physics that even allow planes that drop payloads. Never been shown, or explained, by -anyone-. "Assembly code for favorite vidya game? But all my phriends just use "Game Shark" for their cheating levels"
lobbes: It appears such to someone with actual skills such as phf. But for one for whom it is a "well, what else is there?", it seems like the rational move
phf: i can see the education angle, and how it fails these people, but what i'm surprised about is the lack of personal drive? it's some kind of learned helplessness
lobbes: From that, feeds into all the socialist pandering to folx who "hey, I did xyz like you said! Why no w yet!?"
lobbes: From the very start. Do xyz, for purpose of "becoming w"
phf: well, what is that they say, americans learn to market themselves as the main skill? "how do i optimize the roi of my career track please". whatever happened to "i'm trying to make a sploit from this bugtraq, but my return rail is too short, and i can't get a jump going to proper place"???
asciilifeform: phf: aaha. i thought about answering douchebag , 'this is rather like asking where to learn to ballet' , but thought 'too harsh'
phf: oh man "how do i learn assembly", you learn assembly by reading through the assembly output of a pirated ida pro that you have attached to your favorite video game, because you trying to figure out where the inventory count is, duh
asciilifeform: phf: 2nd category is no guarantee of megabux , either. ( but everybody, i'd hope, knew this. )
phf: if you're in the first category, you're going to be paid peanuts to do bitch work, if you're in the later category then by 19 (or whatever) "how to pentest career!1" is going to be ~the last fucking question~ you're going to ask a channel full of autodidacts
phf: the traditional track is that you spend your teen years cracking video games for infinite lives, then you move on to defacements and other script kiddie activities, and then eventually you have so much practical knowledge that you can start charging people for actual useful discovery work