BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mp_en_viaje: there was a thread, while back, re physically-compact, low-wattage machines as a sane alternative to cloudism. can't seem to find it in log << The 8 PCengines to 1U recipe would still be appreciated. Especially if someone can bake them and move them... ( danielpbarron?)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there was a thread, while back, re physically-compact, low-wattage machines as a sane alternative to cloudism. can't seem to find it in log
asciilifeform: incidentally i also have a working example of the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1644 box, which so happens is 1u high and tops my current list of 'pogolike but still in production'
mp_en_viaje: what is the problem that is being approached anyway ? i thought the tower thing was mostly from a "see rack is sized so" / art instllation perspective
asciilifeform: incl. at least 1 with the serial port
mp_en_viaje: we also have a pile of them with danielpbarron iirc.
mp_en_viaje: i still have them
asciilifeform: last i knew , mp_en_viaje had the complete crate , i dun recall any mention of throwing out
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-01#1779163 << the theory is that very smooth, object files can be linked together directly. the testing of this theory is the most valuable part of trying it early.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Prolly old beater tower. Fits in with the neighboring cages, and at the moment we have the space.
BingoBoingo: I may end up buying a consumer tower box to throw in the cage for a photo session and burn more ips.
mp_en_viaje is amused reborn qntra's first comment is from liek, bogota, columbia. history in the makings!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They are getting wrote back after I fill ALL the ips. Hopefully this weekend
mp_en_viaje: but let's not let the praise fall by the wayside just because every successful step opens up so more further steps : nice bb! qntra back on huh!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: From before I got the keys
asciilifeform: don't be ashamed of the old microvax, lol
mod6: <+mp_en_viaje> BingoBoingo, seriouasly, form the mental habit. pics and blog. << Hey all good as long as you don't take pics of the foundations boxen.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc the ip is temporary ? ( the proper block of ips not yet obtained ? )
a111: Logged on 2018-02-01 14:20 BingoBoingo: !~later tell mircea_popescu Qntra.net online at 161.0.121.253 pls to get the domain repointed, ISP statement incoming.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-01#1779082 << a cool. can't do this from here, so will be weekendish. but the important details are missing, such as what software did you eventually pick to manage your cloud and so on.
asciilifeform: aa there it is.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-22 05:23 mircea_popescu: after the first year your machines are amortized and your downline built, so you're looking at some decent net margin. before the first year you're burdened by the capital costs and stuck with low occupancy, so you bleed cash.
asciilifeform: iirc BingoBoingo's numbers in the above were pre-margin tho
asciilifeform: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/18/datacenter-costs << found. was for whole shebang yes
mp_en_viaje: we're paying iirc 900 for the rack, you want a unit it's 900/40*2
asciilifeform: the concrete cost of e.g. 'i want to emplace 1U and get 500kB/s in/out'
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, evidently whosoever wants to buy fixed bw can ; whosoever does not want to so buy gets wat they get.
asciilifeform: another item, BingoBoingo : to specify what bw each box gets. ( is it 1/42 of the pipe ? 1/nth where n is number of occupants ? the latter is somewhat unpleasantly comcastlike, imho . which is it )
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, seriouasly, form the mental habit. pics and blog.
mp_en_viaje: rather than upon prodding.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 00:30 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-01#1779056 <<< this, for the record, is a question ~TO BE ANSWERED BY PICTURES BEFORE IT IS ASKED~.
asciilifeform: naah BingoBoingo , take the kind mp_en_viaje described
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the analogous BingoBoingo pic would be if he took one while standing inside the rack, like in phone booth << I will pick up a tower box here locally, set it in the cage and take this pic. The thing is deep.
mp_en_viaje: incredible supply of these, by the way. nfi what the fuck is going on in plebe head, but apparently THIS is very much what they mean by "participation" in public affairs.
mp_en_viaje: "we would like to do the thing you do in your way as to the marzipan and in our way as to the fucking plox"
asciilifeform: but it does raise the question of why not also 'here is castle mp, come and get'
asciilifeform: no, i'm sold, i get the idea , 'nyahaha, come and get it'
asciilifeform: the analogous BingoBoingo pic would be if he took one while standing inside the rack, like in phone booth
mp_en_viaje: nevertheless, as to the other score : tmsr isp is not some exercise in little boy fantasy wank
mp_en_viaje: this is alfism nonsense, whatever is said "that is only the X".
mp_en_viaje: that's just how the cost/benefit works out.
mp_en_viaje: woman is to go around naked, not dressed. this because the positive she gets from the advertising of her sexual characteristics sums an epsilon over as large a crowd is exposed (this is a pantsuit rendition ; the correct statement is that her chances to score mp depend on exposure)
asciilifeform: ( if there's nothing to be lost by posting it... i bet it's quite a sight, why then not posted )
mp_en_viaje: dja understand the fundamental principle at work ?
mp_en_viaje: the benefit is the long tail and to be accrued ; the supposed disadvantage is not and to be defended in other ways.
mp_en_viaje: why so sluggish with this whole "i am an actual person, i behave like an actual person, to the humiliating, painfully evident difference from subhuman idcard carriers" ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-01 00:33 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what exactly do the digs look like ? cage with own door ? or just rack ? or how
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-01#1779056 <<< this, for the record, is a question ~TO BE ANSWERED BY PICTURES BEFORE IT IS ASKED~.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-01 00:30 BingoBoingo: Hello, machines screwed in. Need to return in the morning to figure out what stupid mistake I made configuring the switch/router. Long night of reading sample configs ahead.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if it's supposed to already resolve on heathendns , it dun yet
a111: Logged on 2018-02-01 00:19 trinque: nginx went the venture capital route at some point, gotta justify the rounds
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-01#1779049 <<< word. nginx was impressive a year or two after it came out ; then it regressed to the mean at the usual speed (slowly but discernibly at first, "women in tech" level past few years)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 23:06 ben_vulpes: or hm i guess the nick i picked was bv_is_a_scammer
asciilifeform: but if the application tolerates this -- no reason wainot.
asciilifeform: the unfortunate thing re 'use word to store 1 bit' is that it will give obscenely disproportionate slowdown, due to spilling out of cacheable size
diana_coman admits that is one of the things she really, really likes about ffa
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the observation re 'take as much speed as you actually need, but not more, if costs ugliness' is correct and is in fact the basis for ffa
diana_coman: funnily enough the rotates are anyway mainly "shortcuts" for 2 (iirc) transformation operations but otherwise not directly in keccak's defs as such
asciilifeform: fwiw one can also define these like a barbarian, as x * 2 and x / 2 ; and gcc (last i saw) will Do The Right Thing and transform to a shift
asciilifeform: in re shifts/rotates ( as seen in http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/ffa/libffa/w_shifts.ads ) one nitpick : Shift_Left, etc. are not per se gnat-specific; they are in the standard. but for some perverse reason their ~invocation~ is implementation-specific, and requires this gnaticism.
diana_coman: the current plan is then to go back to the "word-level" and make that one deal with different endianness
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, at this stage the point was to keep it very clear and simple
asciilifeform: trinque: i missed it: looked for mp, rather than mpex
BingoBoingo: lobbes: ty, pls to keep the corrections coming
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778994 << heh, they must be reading logz. MPEx now appears under "2014 Fundraising Campaign"
BingoBoingo: Comments on how to handle the fx movements in the future welcome, encouraged, and desired
BingoBoingo: Updated fiat running account http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/01/the-boingo-isp-january-2018-monthly-statement/#comment-114635
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/01/the-boingo-isp-january-2018-monthly-statement/ << Bingo Blog - The Boingo ISP January 2018 Monthly Statement
ben_vulpes: ah how i've missed thee
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I put an up to recent block chain copy on the box already, but yes I plan to build the ben_vulpes super aggression for it.
asciilifeform: ( at some point we will have to solve the puzzle of just how many trb nodes it makes sense to have inside 1 cage, i also suspect )
BingoBoingo: shinohai: I still gotta get a bitcoind on the box
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> Attention Lords And Ladies of The Republic: You may add 161.0.121.253 to your hosts file as Qntra.net << congrats BingoBoingo!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: search your html for absolute links to qntra, there's no good reason for them, use relativelinks
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !~later tell mircea_popescu Qntra.net online at 161.0.121.253 pls to get the domain repointed, ISP statement incoming.
BingoBoingo: Attention Lords And Ladies of The Republic: You may add 161.0.121.253 to your hosts file as Qntra.net
asciilifeform: e.g. 'The image of the white iPhone 4S at apple.com (190,157 bytes)' 'The touch command under OS X Lion (44,016 bytes).'
asciilifeform: in other olds, http://prog21.dadgum.com/116.html >> 'Things That Turbo Pascal is Smaller Than'
mod6: Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation presents The State of Bitcoin Addresshttp://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-February/000288.html
BingoBoingo: By plugging Qntra directly into the pipe
BingoBoingo: Shit has to breathe
asciilifeform: mesh where ? the back side ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what exactly do the digs look like ? cage with own door ? or just rack ? or how
BingoBoingo: Hello, machines screwed in. Need to return in the morning to figure out what stupid mistake I made configuring the switch/router. Long night of reading sample configs ahead.
asciilifeform: ( this is entirely separate from the fact that all 'industrial' http servers existing nao are in megatonne of c liquishit, language with nothing resembling sane string handling )
asciilifeform: the very notion of 'production http server' that exists now, is retarded, in its baked-in conceptual support for warcrimes like ssl
asciilifeform: just like apache, nginx, etc. it has the microshit-quality : you can throw darts all day long and hit only things that really don't need to be there for anything sane people are likely to do with http
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform recently looked at 'lighthttpd', after it came up in the log. astonishing tanker of liquishit.
ben_vulpes: yeah maybe, but the lols are accruing so very slowly
ben_vulpes: mildly amused, but that's about the extent of it.
ben_vulpes: not enjoying in the slightest no, thank you for asking
ben_vulpes: or hm i guess the nick i picked was bv_is_a_scammer
ben_vulpes: link from the tranny pieces
asciilifeform: bother_bvulpes (2df897f7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.45.248.151.247) has joined #trilema << lolwat
asciilifeform: in other lamers, https://archive.is/g7CB5 >> 'Lenovo Fingerprint Manager Pro, which is typically installed on ThinkPad, ThinkCentre, and ThinkStation models...' has hardcoded pw. etc
a111: Logged on 2015-12-20 00:13 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1348050 << you know what's great? rat poison STILL WORKS even if you don't explain to the rats exactly ~how~ !
mp_en_viaje: i am satisfied that we're not discussing intellects capable of realising when they're being bled.
asciilifeform: imho there is elementarily not enuff bleeding happening.
mp_en_viaje: which are like frequencies except better, because frequencies priviledge the speed of light rather than other speeds much more important to us. like the speed of gucci.
mp_en_viaje: so all these discussions of causes and how things work and etc, it's so much mathwank. bimbo got her antenna tuned to different gucciquencies.
mp_en_viaje: the problem with imbeciles is exactly the problem of bogota, buenos aires, whatever : they don't actually want to do any specific thing. they just want to look a certain way.
trinque: the ass-kissing line would be too long by now; ain't nobody got time for that
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 20:12 trinque: seems apparent that had the block size thing gone the other way, there'd be dead mining operations all around
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1779009 <<< and guess what "srs business" with "expertise" and whatnot forgot to send kakobrekla and the rest to thank me for saving their dumbass despite themselves.
trinque: seems apparent that had the block size thing gone the other way, there'd be dead mining operations all around
trinque: the final stage of all human development is saintly socialism, srsly
asciilifeform: lol waterfall dun even bother with seekricy anymoar
phf: https://pineapplefund.org/ << "The organization was started in December by an anonymous donor who goes by the nickname Pine and claims to be among the 250 largest holders of Bitcoin in the world. The fund aims to give away $86 million worth of Bitcoin, and has already given $20 million worth of the currency to 13 organizations, including...
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 16:51 phf: all the userlevel tools that syscons used? nope, entirely new set of tools for doing pretty much anything, ~with a completely different argument list~
mp_en_viaje: if they're not being actively oppressed, and i mean with pillories and whole village rapes, the temperature of the corpse dun matter.
asciilifeform: did the thing ever have a civilized colonial past ? or was always shithole ?
mp_en_viaje: this is the result of decolonialization. left cape town in the hands of subhuman locals, no more water
asciilifeform: same thing as the enablers of BingoBoingo's 'fupas'
mp_en_viaje: i dunno what the chinese are to blame for.
mp_en_viaje: nope. 100% imports. let me reiterate : they do not DO anything.
asciilifeform: incidentally is this one of those classical turdworld paradises with donkeys in the streets, cabs made from old nazi motorcycle, etc ?
mp_en_viaje: you know, sometimes they take the milkmaid for a ride in the back of the little milk truck on three wheeks
asciilifeform: dunno that i've ever even been in a car without those, then
asciilifeform: incidentally in what country are there cabs with back seat passenger arm rest ?
mp_en_viaje: eat my foot. an hour going about in the cab is $5
mp_en_viaje: "got waffle and crepes joint ? " o ya, just like in madrid!" "but is it not open before noon ?" "of course not! just like in..." "...retardistan ? who the fuck eats crepes at any other time!"
mp_en_viaje: they're not DOING anything ; just trying to LOOK A CERTAIN WAY, with a minimum of expenditure.
mp_en_viaje: argentina does old italian mags and these idiots old spanish mags, but that's all the difference,
mp_en_viaje: 100% serviceless economy, consisting of a bunch of dorks trying to look like the pictures in the decade old magazines from europe they got.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, 100% all the inept argentinian idiocies. "oh, you can't have that item from menu, it's not its hours yet" "bitch, say what ?" "we only sell things when WE feel like selling them, fu. welcome to bogota"
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 16:49 phf: etc. but the most pantsuit aspect of this situation? the infamous well written freebsd documentation is not up to date to any of these new improvements.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778884 << because the people doing it prolly puked and left.
asciilifeform: lemme guess, finally met motorcyclists, and their uzis were plastic toys ?
mp_en_viaje: motherfucker
phf: yes, that would be the meaning of "all of"
asciilifeform: fwiw all of asciilifeform's current workhorse boxen are one or another variant of heavily-medicated gentoo, rather than anyffingelse
asciilifeform: i was able to , e.g., emerge emacs and not suddenly see dbus appear. there isn't much moar that i even want from gentoo/portage.
phf: gentoo have left a bad taste in my mouth long time ago. i was running it for about a year since first release, and i was even really into python back then!
asciilifeform: the 1 truly frustrating item is the lcd crystal, is atrocious 1990s-style tft. but what can be done.
asciilifeform: the box ate ssd without complaint, even.
asciilifeform: ( and at this point i think i've tried every battery vendor known to make these )
asciilifeform: the 1 item that left a bitter taste was the battery, they're dead after about 6mo from unpacking. but gentoo is not to blame for this
phf: sure, but the amount of time you spent on gentoo recipe/kernel config, replicated on freebsd would possibly produce similar results. emacs, gnat, irc, etc runs.
asciilifeform: it runs ( the only www browsers are lynx and an elderly ff , however )
mod6: The Foundation has emplaced shinohai's seal for trb's 'genesis.vpatch' in the foundation repository @ http://thebitcoin.foundation. Thanks shinohai!
phf: likewise a lot of them pull gcc for build, lots of complaints about "llvm broke N" when you search for anything
phf: half the packaged in ports say that "there might be bugs since package is lacking maintainer", and we're talking shit like firefox, fvwm, etc.
asciilifeform has the ordinary, 2-hinged x60.
doppler: that's the nickname, yeah
asciilifeform: but the screen folds back, and it has pen ?
phf: x60, says so on the label
asciilifeform: x61 ( the kind i gave to g_l ) -- yes, had it
asciilifeform: i had nfi there was a x60 with wacom
phf: i don't really want to waste much time tweaking the confs, so most things don't really work for now. i have audio and wifi, but suspend dosn't work, nor does the nifty touch screen, etc.
asciilifeform: i dun think i've ever sat on a working box with anything other than hand-sewn xorg.conf
phf: yeah, can get for now, but X doesn't magically start, so i need to figure out what's going on there. probably requires hand written xorg.conf
asciilifeform: can get back the old terms ? or not ?
phf: all the userlevel tools that syscons used? nope, entirely new set of tools for doing pretty much anything, ~with a completely different argument list~
asciilifeform: 'Pre-loading i915kms.ko/radeonkms.ko disables video output from the point of time these video drivers are attached until interrupt threads are enabled way later. This makes kernel panics during boot undebugable.' << ahahahahaha
phf: etc. but the most pantsuit aspect of this situation? the infamous well written freebsd documentation is not up to date to any of these new improvements.
phf: "encodings other than ascii/utf-8" "no"
asciilifeform: and is there a systemd on freebsd yet
asciilifeform: lemme guess, is 'wayland' also on the conveyor.
phf: newcons is "unicode support" "double-width" "bigger font maps". guess what's not there? ~literally everything else that syscons~ supported
phf: well, it's subtle things, here's an example. the kernel vty used to be syscons for years, replaced by "newcons", standard for a couple of releases now
asciilifeform: but phf did mention 'butcher cut', i'm curious what the obvious wtfs were
phf: well, i like to take potshots at shitty systems as much as the next lord, but the publicized dev/random issue was there briefly and has officially been patched. i've not attempted to dive into dev/random though
asciilifeform not much interested in post-clangization freebsd; and currently dun have the time, energy to archaeologically unearth a working-on-recent-iron vintage
phf: freebsd is hilariously nerfed. you can see the butcher cut the pantsuits leave right through the middle of everything
asciilifeform: ( granted , this has not happened in a while. the last major bout was perhaps the boot process itself, which was foolproof on classical pc arch up to late '90s, and then they 'had to' introduce acpiism, 'secure boot', abolition of the mbr, etc )
asciilifeform: and could even say 'if it worked, would be merely ugly' but of course just like other microshitisms it never fully works, and is eternal fountain of 'moar studies needed', 'buy the upgrade', 'your iron is obsolete' etc
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 16:31 asciilifeform: the sad thing re the iron , is that 'determine if installed, and if so, where on the bus' is often 80% of the driver !
asciilifeform: or, for instance, take the rathead-microshit Official answer to the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631805 problem : 'device trees' ( https://lwn.net/Articles/560523 and elsewhere. ) essentially same thing as the traditional microshit 'control panel' , but... biosized
asciilifeform: re acpi as instrument of microshitization, observe how ( e.g. https://lwn.net/Articles/574439 ) it is being put in arm boxes, where 0 intel legacycrapola, and spearheaded by... redhat ( the designated microshit for 'linux' )
mp_en_viaje: instead config could populate allowed_html directly and be done with the pretense.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, tis a sad state of affairs. this item in my hands is, in a physical sense, quite fine. but then there's this intervening bullshit. literally like kid with autism/depression/anxiety/whatever the fuck. it would work fine if it just weren't born to ustards in ustardia.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 19:14 asciilifeform: e.g., i still have not forgiven, and do not intend to forgive, the acpi 'soft' power supply switch.
a111: Logged on 2016-01-17 06:23 phf: but you're not supposed to touch those files directly, oh no, they are undocumented and what are you some kind of terrorist. instead there's 20 incompatible power/suspend/battery/sensor/fans/specialkeys control daemons in various states of disarray. "oh, if your fans don't kick in you want termald, or try batterd, which works with new lzmi acpi functions."
a111: Logged on 2015-05-26 23:42 mats: fun fact: there is a particular ACPI table in that you can put anywhere in a low range of memory during boot, and Windows will take the payload data, drop it as an EXE, and run it as SYSTEM.
a111: Logged on 2014-07-22 20:06 Mats_cd03: and, there is an ACPI table exclusively for telling Windows not to apply fixes for buggy hardware because its in a VM, and VMM emulation of the hardware doesn't include said bugs.
asciilifeform: ( pretty much errybody who was in the pc iron business , and wanted to stay in it )
mp_en_viaje: "Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil financial network is bigger than the honest financial network, with the result that even though everyone knows what is happening, people continue to use the paper issued by the evil financial network, because of network effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use if you want to do business." << j. a. donald
mp_en_viaje: and acpi is strictly "make sure nobody can EVER init the iron and get lost EVER, even if they try to"
asciilifeform: the 'fancy' firmware, for instance, that 'does things'. entirely the opposite of the 1980s 'init the iron and get the FUCK out of the way' practice.
mp_en_viaje: what's so forced about "no, you can't run code. if you want your hardware object '''configured''' or w/e the fuck, here's the bios api, pass data into it. if you can't, fix your printer"
asciilifeform: crapola all the way down.
asciilifeform: whole arch was retarded, and born damaged, just about errything you see on top of it, is the top of a series of forced mistakes.
mp_en_viaje: why the everloving fuck would i imagine the solution is for the kernel to choose from a list maintained by the fucking power button
asciilifeform: dunforget 'oh but it improves allthetime!' lul
mp_en_viaje: "and besides, correct programs can't even be written" "so then why should they be priviledged ?" "no, see, kernel can be correct because fly eyes fly like fruit."
mp_en_viaje: "but mp, our users need to run random code they have no idea about all the time" "no they don't"
mp_en_viaje: this whole "o no mp, but the karnel must have a special place i ncpu" bs. IF IT DOES BAKE IT.
asciilifeform: no segments, and easily logically 'widened' if anyone had bothered.
asciilifeform: it's a 'grandmother with balls', could have sane cpu defined in 100pgs of a4, with no 'modes' at all, and no segments, and no idiocy, if intel had not succeeded in killing dec alpha, say
mp_en_viaje: there's absolutely no cause oher than historical accident that real ended at 16 bits.
mp_en_viaje: then finally folded cca 85-86
asciilifeform: there isn't , on x86olade, a 'longer than 16b regs, no segmentation, but no mpu and bios calls work' mode.
mp_en_viaje: and you know, actual men tried to resist this idiocy. all through the 286 era ~nobody used unicodemode bs.
mp_en_viaje: so no, protected mode hasn;'t become because it offered. the pantsuit decided it must be, and therefore prevented the non-mongoloid child from offering.
mp_en_viaje: all the USEFUL features could have existed in real mode branch with a minimum of effort. but they CHOSE to not do this.
mp_en_viaje: see ? the original pantsuitism in computers started cca 1985 or so. when they killed the main branch, in order to pretend that the pantsuit branch "has all the features"
mp_en_viaje: "Due to the enhancements added by protected mode, it has become widely adopted and has become the foundation for all subsequent enhancements to the x86 architecture" << FUCKING BULLSHIT.
mp_en_viaje: i don't want the fucking bs of hey mp we notice your brightness keys do not work would you like to restart the program.
mp_en_viaje: i do not want ANYTHING down the protected mode tree. i want the real mode tree continued. update it for wider busses.
mp_en_viaje: oh these are distinct ?
asciilifeform: orig item had 0 to do with seekoority, but rather with preventing 1 buggy proggy from taking down whole box
mp_en_viaje: ok. you know how computers worked back in the 80s and then some pre-unicode fuckfaces came up with "protected" mode, which was "better" and "upgrade" ?
mp_en_viaje: yes i know, but what'd you have me call the refusal of post 1989 "progress" ?
asciilifeform: the terminology is specific to intel crapola
mp_en_viaje: how about never mind about that and just do a 32bit realmode version, at the hardware level.
asciilifeform: uh realmode is the classical 16bit segmented one
mp_en_viaje: who even signed off on the "we will cease maintaining realmode" doctor's note ?
mp_en_viaje: i do not want this laptop to even fucking have protected mode. protect what from what ? noty, 32bit realmode for the win.
mp_en_viaje: wait, is the "protected" mode how you do the useful things such as you know, rowhammer et all ?
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778722 << eh, major international my foot. city run by africans is run by africans is the whole story.
mp_en_viaje: i would say this is a glorious example of idiocy, imagine, the thing ~would work~ if just left the fuck alone. but smething in boot process fucks up my keys.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, that did nothing ; however the "fn f9 will work during boot only" part is correct -- they do.
asciilifeform: supposedly worx on the ones with intel vga
asciilifeform: in place of the 'vendor' thing
mp_en_viaje: C9K94UC#ABA (hp eliteboook 8470p) for the precision minded. i wouldn't recommend buying it, even though the chassis may seem fine.
mp_en_viaje: i think it literally may be the worst bios interface i have ever seen. ever. including 1990s almost-compatible days.
mp_en_viaje: (resetting the kbd driver to ps/2 also works on some magically, tried that, but this piece of shit worst bios you've ever seen HAS a useless point and click interface but no setting of kbd driver)
asciilifeform: then only cure is sunglasses, lol
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in some shittops, it was possible to adjust brightness ~during boot init~ with the fkeys
mp_en_viaje: which makes sense, seeing how there's a bevy of bs in find /sys/ -type f -iname '*brightness*' all of which permantly welded to either 0 or 255
mp_en_viaje: ave1, --current says the screen's name is "default"
mp_en_viaje: what can i tell you, it passed the mechanical test