asciilifeform: in lulz*2, the last link in 1st para of 'rs-16' goes to a ... 'This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated.'
asciilifeform: 'RS-16 has a single-tasking "operating system" whose source fits on a few pages of paper and is easily understandable by anyone who speaks C. The operating system only implements the functions that you need for editing text, crypto and transferring files. It lives in ROM and cannot run programs from disk, eliminating a range of attack vectors.'
asciilifeform: also if you want to experiment with even bigger numberz, turn the 32 ( that i habitually use as stack height ) into the minimal necessary 4 for this experiment
asciilifeform: can skip the tr lol
mod6: heheh. so you're saying do this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1VeEL/?raw=true : a few thosand times and create a graph of the differences in the timings
asciilifeform: and replace the python with > /dev/null
asciilifeform: right, but ideally you want a few thou of these, and a correlation calc
mod6: yah, i thought they might be a bit small. lemme see what I can do.
asciilifeform: ( note that you do not need the 0 in .0 , i put it in for readability )
asciilifeform: so you get however many you want, you got it by simply using ffacalc to compute the desired integer.
asciilifeform: for the given example, gotta make sure that it has at least 2MB of mass.
asciilifeform: or put in the parens it wants, lol
asciilifeform: when you strip the newlines, this kompyootes
asciilifeform: but i think errybody gets the idea.
asciilifeform: ( to do this very rigorously, oughta buffer the 'random'; reading from /dev/zero is unsurprisingly slightly faster )
asciilifeform: ...then substitute /dev/zero for /dev/urandom, and same
mod6: I can confirm that the seal verifies and that pressing up through chatper 10 worked.
asciilifeform: who knows, 20y from nao , a different asciilifeform will meet a different mircea_popescu and they will look for a sane numeric lib and ~find~ one, instead of sitting for 4y without...
asciilifeform: fwiw asciilifeform posts these 'from cause, not purpose' (tm)(r)
mod6: Furthermore, we will bring management and retain BingoBoingo for his services as 'Remote-Hands'.
mod6: We propose to pay him outright, relieving him of obligations to the venture.
mod6: The aim is to supply you with funds to continue operations. And to relieve you of debt to Mr. Popescu.
mod6: Alright, the Bitcoin Foundation has been discussing all day about using funds to support the bbisp. We are ready to make that commitment.
asciilifeform: ( since mircea_popescu seems to be sleeping i'ma have to run the emulator : 'it's because they are part of my Adult World, not this stinking kindergarten' )
ben_vulpes: somehow lobbes trinque phf asciilifeform can run bots without the republican isp but all of a sudden shinohai cannot?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: that was the openproblem that produced the thread which ultimately turned into mp's-hash etc
diana_coman: in other issues: rfc on oaep for tmsr, see http://trilema.com/2017/tmsr-rsa-spec-extremely-early-draft/#comment-124596
lobbesbot: lobbes: The operation succeeded.
lobbes: !Qlater tell jurov plox to ping mod6 once ya get the chance
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/13/a-summary-of-bbisp-activity/ << Bingo Blog - A Summary Of BBisp Activity
BingoBoingo: Well, present the questions?
mod6: BingoBoingo: Are you there?
ben_vulpes: the equation, it pencils out over here as well.
asciilifeform: the rough measure appears to be, if l1 is good for 0.5 btc / mo. ( at the current rate) -- bisp runs. if rate loses a 0 -- it turns into 5. if grows a 0 -- becomes 0.05 .
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the point is to sell more not pricier, neh? so: depending on how much people are willing to USE the isp
ben_vulpes: aaand that assumes that the 5 slots mircea_popescu wants don't overlap with s.nsa
diana_coman: in other words this can be put as: tmsr's l1 atm is not big enough yet to support an isp of its own
diana_coman: I think it can sell enough to l1(+l2 perhaps) but I haven't run the numbers etc (because I'm already juggling lots as it is)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: dare i ask if you have a theory of how a bisp could stay in the black without taking heathen coin ?
diana_coman: fwiw I am certainly interested in being a customer of TMSR ISP but I've been waiting and waiting to see concrete offers; being a bit on the other side of the world doesn't help much re moving iron there either but presumably at some point I can even get that sorted in some way; if there is some ISP to get sorted to, of course
diana_coman: asciilifeform, so maybe make the plan + offer and see what feedback you get on it?
asciilifeform: l1 appears good for a certain amount of raw verticalspace rental. but not the 0.5btc's worth (at current usd rate) required to keep op in the black
diana_coman: iirc there were some vps ran by l1, what; as sandboxes if nothing else
diana_coman: out of curiosity why marketed to heathens?
asciilifeform: as far as i can see, there is a shortage of heathens who have any btc to spend to begin with. (much less who want to spend it on a vps)
asciilifeform: it is not clear to me that 'vps marketed to heathens, for btc' is a viable model. but then again i am not business wizard, possibly someone with mp-level brain could have done this
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there's two problems , 'technical' and 'business'. technical is solvable. the part that bites, is the 'business'
diana_coman: asciilifeform, so ask BingoBoingo exactly for what is needed to un-fuzz; that's what all the detailed instructions is all about
diana_coman: phf I think what is actually shutting down the operation is a. lack of someone capable & willing to take it in hand i.e. provide very detailed instructions to BingoBoingo b. fuzziness as to what operation there really is atm + what operation can actually be had at the location
ben_vulpes: yeah, it was a bit further up, "~1.8k monthly of rack rental buy side floating around"
phf: i missed the "estimated from l1/2" bit
ben_vulpes: i pulled 2834.06/mo from http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/03/pricing-information-fun-with-numbers/ , estimated some 1.7k in rental subscriptions from l1/2
phf: ben_vulpes: didn't you lose a $1000 then, it works out to 2741/mo
ben_vulpes: neglecting shared hosting, and again waving hands at a sales rate on vps slicen of 10/mo and zero churn etc, thing could hit breakeven on the rack alone sometime in august
BingoBoingo: ave1: At this point the journey to here is documented in existing blog posts, there is no harm in collecting that data into a single larger post for the convenience not only of people who might be considering taking on this particular effort, but for those who may want to undertake their own as well.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Another higher margin activity which can be marketed is good old fashioned shared hosting.
ave1: BingoBoingo: read carefully these are not requests but suggestions, I even left some out. Also, at this point you still have a partner and I do not know your arrangements, so check before publishing what might be important / secret business operational data.
ben_vulpes: i'm guessing the initial subscription of just rack space comes to around 1.7k/mo; waving hands at a vps setup "special get us to breakeven" deal slicing up one of the mega boxes asciilifeform described implies a breakeven at some 57 monthly rentals at 20 usd/mo (which buys 4.5GB of ram, notbad.jpg in the grand scheme of things, but the tiny straw of bandwidth weighs against this)
phf: TomServo: it's critical only in a sense that the immediate opportunity was squandered, but right now most important is to provide bb with enough fiat to stay afloat, next requirement is to provide bb with enough fiat to pay dc fees, because those two are the ones that are going to shut down the operation
mod6: (trying to establish how much VPS needs to be sold to make up the difference just to break even on bills)
shinohai: If there are currently no vps boxxen to sell, cannot exactly sell anything besides promisetronic
mod6: BingoBoingo: how much revenue was going to be pulled down by non-vps customers per month? The foundation had said "we want 2U", so that accounts for us.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 07:56 diana_coman: I admit I don't really get what the sticking point is there in asciilifeform's calculations: the potential tax on shipped equipment? the cost of BingoBoingo ? the cost of racks? not enough sure revenue (how the fuck)? what?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783475 << this is not that clear to me. what i've penciled out is that there are some ~1.8kusd monthly of rack rental buy side floating around, and mircea_popescu's plan as i understand it was to build and rent vpsen to get to breakeven, which still needs someone in teh forums hawking vps
lobbes: But for now I'll shut up and leave room for my betters to work out that question. Back to saeculum mines, and then archive-o-tronics
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 23:20 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782932 << the only point to my eyes is that someone fucked in the head enough to run something they call "datacenter" without one ton of spare racks laying about is not distinguishable from three twelve year old white boys in a "tree fort" running a "porn business" through taking complicatedly filtered ipad shots of their own palms.
lobbes: << this is the key question needing resolving, imo. "Is it worth it to continue throwing good money into orc-hole?". After BB's deep descent into the cargo cult looking for chassis n' such, it is certainly suggestive of more "tree-forts everywhere" ala http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782956
TomServo: Sucks, I think getting that gear there was a critical piece.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 14:37 TomServo: For clarification, is the S.NSA gear verboten? Are phf's flight/courier arrangements still on the table?
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/13/twelve-runs-of-speedtest-cli-from-the-qntra-server/ << Bingo Blog - Twelve Runs Of speedtest-cli From The Qntra Server
mod6: If part of the plan was to build machines on demand for customers, it sounds like we're in the wrong locale for that.
mod6: So, indeed, I think we all want to see the ISP idea work. But after this entire snafu, I'm still confused as to what went wrong here. The foundation's plan here was in motion to bring machines there directly. Because of the ugly possible VAT or dissappearing of boxes themselves.
BingoBoingo to shut up for a bit and compile as much of the ave1 requested material together into a blog and explore the possibility of making arrangements for a Dentist to follow the BingoBoingo camp to old country.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-10 14:58 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, reality can only be elided at significant personal sacrifice and over short intervals. so, to repeat it : there is no future for the republic without an isp.
BingoBoingo: That being said for my health I would like a proposal that includes the possibility of a BingoBoingo exit date away from cargo cult Alcoholics Anonymous
a111: Logged on 2018-02-11 14:00 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what your lack of experience isn't informing you is that you have a very significant advantage. your ~7k per annum cost compares very VERY favorable to what empire pays to hire a walmart drone (25k or so base + 20k or so in overload). the walmart drone costs 6x what you do, and i daresay they do not do 1/6th of what you do. just because you came out short of lordship in the field does not now mean the baseline of
BingoBoingo: lobbes: If necessary BingoBoingo can do some ugly things to keep fed. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-11#1783247 Follows from BingoBoingo being a sort of religious fanatic ideologically aligned with the Republic, even if my inexperience and inability to effectively self direct are an impediment lords taking over this venture would need to compensate for.
TomServo: For clarification, is the S.NSA gear verboten? Are phf's flight/courier arrangements still on the table?
lobbes: I'm a regular poorfag, but fuck, what is it FOOD for BingoBoingo that is standing in the way in alf's calcs? If that's what it takes I can throw a months worth of food in btc to bb as a one-time gift. (Though I think issue was longterm coin-to-food conveyor)
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 06:48 hanbot: speaking of that wednesday, it's rather incredible how little discussion there is on the matter, especially considering http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-10#1783160
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783471 << I can't speak for others, but talk (and opinions) are cheap! Only one willing to consider shouldering the post-mp burden/risk thus far has been asciilifeform.
BingoBoingo: TomServo: At this point the discussion looks like it would be a way to get into L1
BingoBoingo: I am re-reading it a few times. Certainly it is helpful in a way that the gabriel_laddel-ism http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/09/a-long-descent-into-the-cargo-cult/#comment-114684 is not
diana_coman: quite some very good points there in my opinion ave1
BingoBoingo: <hanbot> and i'd think salvaging bb's mission closer to the goal --any point closer than zero--, would be just about top priority. hence figure it out, and well before wednesday morning comes around. << I can only hope other people are doing math and weighting costs versus warming up their other ISP plans they may have put on hold.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo soo, you're buying your ticket wednesday or what was it ? << I was planning on picking it up Thursday if there has been no interest through Wednesday in channel on a takeover mission for this venture. I can extend the timeline a bit, if it is prudent to do so.
shinohai: Gah, the logs I wake to of late.
ave1: Hanbot and Diana_coman, I thought so too. The past couple of days has cost me a few nights sleep. My thoughts here: http://ave1.org/2018/from-the-proverbial-peanut-gallery/
diana_coman: I admit I don't really get what the sticking point is there in asciilifeform's calculations: the potential tax on shipped equipment? the cost of BingoBoingo ? the cost of racks? not enough sure revenue (how the fuck)? what?
hanbot: and i'd think salvaging bb's mission closer to the goal --any point closer than zero--, would be just about top priority. hence figure it out, and well before wednesday morning comes around.
hanbot: i suppose the amount of time it's taken to get to this point while the same death knell was present makes it easy to imagine things could just continue as they are, but i tell you that seems pretty dangerous.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-10 14:58 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, reality can only be elided at significant personal sacrifice and over short intervals. so, to repeat it : there is no future for the republic without an isp.
hanbot: speaking of that wednesday, it's rather incredible how little discussion there is on the matter, especially considering http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-10#1783160
asciilifeform: otherwise , think, would have already been there, and BingoBoingo would not have had the grenade to fall on to begin with.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://www.wtcmontevideofreezone.com/contacto The Tamara chick does respond to cold emails, can give you the run down of the foreign corp free zone deal.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for sake of argument -- suppose i were to take your place. i would then have exactly same problem.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-12 16:43 asciilifeform: let's also mention for completeness the cost-competitive alternative to vps : the use of miniature machines ( e.g. apu1 ) . but this involves manual shuffling on the part of hands ( BingoBoingo ) for every new customer.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-12 16:26 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can pay the rack vendor already. the issue is your own food.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783361 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783391 << Another option with these in mind involves alf not feeding BingoBoingo indefinitely as an expense, considers locating self here after a visit to take the temperature of the monkeys.
ben_vulpes: girl just pointed out to me that the illustrator of curious george and the bunny didn't let slip a single opportunity to draw a pink little bunny butthole
a111: Logged on 2016-01-14 01:40 mircea_popescu: funny how nobody in france and generally in the "nordic model" train of euro-socialistoid train wants to remember how, by and large, french society was either supportive or indifferent of the nazis, and how "la resistance" maps almost exactly on what today would be "extreme righyt wing extremism", and how de gaulle, the exact equivalent of say arafat, got to re-write history into some delusional "all france stood behin
mircea_popescu: did we already do the "la resistance" thing or notyet ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-12 19:36 mircea_popescu: in spite of all overwhelming evidence. because who knows, right ? science hasn't discovered everything, and it has all the time in the world!
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783439 << this thread puts much in perspective. In all my arguments with socialist aquaintances, it always seems like it boils down to "well, if there's failure that just means we haven't tried xyz magical configuration of policies yet!". I.e. "goal posts" can be moved ad infinitum (in their eyes, that is)
ben_vulpes: log lag, such hysteresis. next up: "gps no longer a thing anywhere usg assets are walking around outside of their bunkers"
mircea_popescu: hey, good thing it was in here years ago, that way they could digest it in time for 2018!
ben_vulpes: even the economist has finally cottoned on to how fragile the us navy is in this brave new world: https://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21736498-their-small-size-and-large-numbers-can-overwhelm-defences-home-made-drones-now
ben_vulpes: it's so pleasing to watch all of these golden toilet tekmologies fall to basic 'wasp'tech.
ben_vulpes: usg cops slowly cottoning on to the fragility of their position: http://abcnews.go.com/US/women-dead-cop-injured-dangerous-ongoing-barricade-situation/story?id=53017623 "death toll could have been much higher", also garage countermeasures finally gaining traction among le resistance; dood lit fires inside the house i imagine to foil the IR cameras
ben_vulpes: subject of correctness, /me has been using "hugs" in place of "shit people from shithole countries". the lefty brainfry this induces is spectacularly hilarious; "i know you're using good words to mean bad things but but but!"
asciilifeform thickens the weights in his mircea_popescutronic neuralnetwork, it hath done well
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite so. except what's hoarded here is the pennies of "correctness", and what's foolishly thrown away is the pounds sterling of hours and minutes.
mircea_popescu: rather similarily to how the "human life is worth more than what mp would pay to fuck the item chained to a wall" leads to impossibility (not difficulty -- outright impossibility) of allocating healthcare dollars, just so...
mircea_popescu: in spite of all overwhelming evidence. because who knows, right ? science hasn't discovered everything, and it has all the time in the world!
asciilifeform: seems to me like mircea_popescu described an ideal miser, who hoards forever 'for later' and dies on a mattress fulla benjies, rather than 'neet' redditus
mircea_popescu: and so there it is, waiting to have its idiocy proven wrong to itself at an arbitrarily strong standard. because who the hell knowns what it could miss out if indeed it WERE a woman, somehow.
mircea_popescu: however, the distortion this wreaks is that if a indeed were infinite, since the possible value of any possible configuration is always epsilon rather than zero, it is suddenly apparently worth it to consider that "well, maybe if the ice state is in the shape of the Pantsuited Abominartion herself, then IT WILL WORK?!?!?!".
mircea_popescu: something in the vein of "1. people dying is something too harsh for [my meagre powers] to consider ; 2. if something is hard it is ok to not do it ; 3. things that are not thought of do not properly speaking exist. therefore from 1-2-3 we have proven a is infinite".
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER! because a+b summing to something finite implies mortality, which is to say, that the almighty narcissist anal child eventually ends, and what's worse, the film he blessed with his heroic centrality ends with him... it THEREFORE FOLLOWS a must be infinite.
mircea_popescu: because there's a list of possible questions organised in a question tree ("should i figure out glass or metal ? if i figure out metal, should i figure out sheets or rails ? and so on ad infinitum) it soon becomes apparent that no, it very much isn't worth it to evaluate arbitrarily complex ice sculptures for their possible fit to be used in castlemaking.
mircea_popescu: now then. if phase a takes a time, and phase b takes another time, then you have a value function implicit.
mircea_popescu: think of it as a tower defense game, cuz it's exactly the only model the imbecile spawn of esltarded women even have. that's ALL the business, strategy, everything.
mircea_popescu: let's model it thusly. in the mmorpg called "life" the rules say there's two phases. phase a, where you figure out how to build a castle, and out of what, and so on. and phase b, where you sit in that castle and get GOODSTUFF, function of how well it was made. say fame or esteem or communication with god^H^H^H resplenduminous etcetera.
ben_vulpes: thing is proven to be worth 0 in the future after much self delusion, rather than 0 now.
ben_vulpes: i don't follow the logic behind the valuation of the castle at t->inf. once proven wrong, whatever bastion was defended is overrun and so worthless.
mircea_popescu: you follow the logic or should i delve ?
mircea_popescu: got all the time in the world, consequently the capital cost of wasted time is 0, consequently it is "worth it" to defend any nonsense beyond any possible limit. "eventually" (ie at t->inf) they will be proven wrong, and consequently the value of their eventual (at t -> inf) castle will be that much greater.
mircea_popescu: just the usual delusions of immortality.
mircea_popescu: well, since btcvixen is sticking around, let's gift it http://trilema.com/2015/what-the-actual-threat-of-the-medicalisation-of-individuality-looks-like/ for great justice.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/12/the-story-of-a-storefront/ << Bingo Blog - The Story Of A Storefront
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in today's late breakfast suggestions, leberwurst geraucht with green olives on homemade bread, and a sizable helping oh holsteiner fasskraut on the side.
mircea_popescu realises this is possibly the worst bait and switch ever. but i swear, unintentional!
BingoBoingo: I will add it to the list of shortcomings.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you can add that to the list, by the way. a tendency to take what you hear as "what is" dun work irl! you know what i mean ? just cuz some chick said it from behind a desk dun make it worth two shits.
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER, the result of that isn't taken as "this is reality". the result of that is judged and its shortcomings fixed.
mircea_popescu: anyway, that said there's nothing wrong with applying for some, as a political choice.
asciilifeform: seems like fish is what they dun have over at this-here fish counter.
mircea_popescu never applied to "authorities", nor would. because why the fuck.
asciilifeform: 'On 10 June 2014, LACNIC announced that it had reached one /10 block of remaining addresses and IPv4 can now be considered exhausted in its service region. LACNIC will continue to distribute IPv4 addresses, but at a greatly reduced rate according to policies developed by the LACNIC community.'
asciilifeform: why do you have to deal with the idiots.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Have you looked at the LACNIC IP allotment application and requirements yet?
asciilifeform: iirc there was a (lizard-declared) 'ipv4 shortage' that supposedly accounted for what-mp-got vs what-BB-got
mircea_popescu: the all-corruptor cares little for one's declared allegiances.
mircea_popescu: but this is a self-inflicted misery. do not take the republic seriously, get what you get for it.
mircea_popescu: yes, i agree it is a very sad reality that everyone seems to be playing catch-up with the absolute minimum bar of "marginally retarded" rather than creating novel and interesting things.
asciilifeform: i built (with several other people) a system like this, in past life, it was used for crapware analysis
mircea_popescu: the problemis not that -- the problem is he got less ips for a whole rack than i have for single machines.
asciilifeform: the upside is memory isolation.
asciilifeform: let's also mention for completeness the cost-competitive alternative to vps : the use of miniature machines ( e.g. apu1 ) . but this involves manual shuffling on the part of hands ( BingoBoingo ) for every new customer.
mircea_popescu: "if mp built his back-to-back toilet, how could you ~using software only, mind!~ ensure the piss of his slavegirls doesn't mix ?"
mircea_popescu: ram isolation is the ~only concern. of couse.
asciilifeform: but contrary to mircea_popescu's intuitions, the cpu slicing is not the hardest puzzle piece.
mircea_popescu: which is why the deductive-rational process is actually irrational.
mircea_popescu: that's the skill involved here : reality consists of endless matrices, that for any practical purpose have to be heuristically collapsed, as they can't actually be calculated.
mircea_popescu: whatever it'd be, i can promise you a) it does not work out of the box and b) you will want >25 years to fix it.
mircea_popescu: and besides, there's not even software to do it with.
asciilifeform: the other item -- and asciilifeform scours the logs, and finds nuffin -- is whether BingoBoingo ( or anybody tuned in ) at any point had any concrete idea of to whom (other than l1) to market the vps product, and how.
mircea_popescu: your output is not "i don';t have the money", read above.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'useful' output is 'i dun have this money'
mircea_popescu has long suspected meditation is not nearly as useful as practitioners credit it to be. like is the case with all arts.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-11 16:34 asciilifeform is not asleep, but in fact still calculating whether he has enuff fuel to take, theoretically, BingoBoingo's rocket to orbit, or only to make larger crater on the ground
mircea_popescu: so would it be fair to say that 24 hours of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-11#1783278 produced absolutely nothing useful, and you find yourself for the "calculation" at the exact same position you'd have been without it ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you would have to come up with a method ( i don't particularly care what kind ) for converting the coinz to food.
BingoBoingo: instructions. BingoBoingo is offered some sort of incentive structure to remain in Montevideo for more time as hired hand rather than equity figure. On the plus side for alf, if he brings his own foreign corp with bank he has vehicle for making payments.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo , et al : have i missed anything obvious here ? << The deal with mircea_popescu was mircea_popescu bankrolls BingoBoingo builds isp for BingoBoingo with mircea_popescu as honored investor. For asciilifeform or whoever else may take an interest in taking over, the deal that interests me is BingoBoingo remains in Montevideo to help asciilifeform/alfteam/etc build themselves an isp taking clear
asciilifeform: ( we already have FG customers on the record as having paid similar amt for border taxes as for device itself )
mircea_popescu: this is similarily true of your current situation, or any other. also, meteorites.
mircea_popescu: yes, if one day the gauls invade you will discover business is not something that can be done.
asciilifeform: simply noting that if this supposition is mistaken, it is a quite expensive 'surprise', would easily dwarf the cost of everything else summed.
asciilifeform: let's suppose this works. ( already supposed in the 'submarine' example.)
mircea_popescu: "here are the numbers written down". that's how this goes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: of the 400 that it costs among sane people, or the 6000 that it costs in monkeylandia, is the (potential) problem
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, you're talking around the point. the scam is simple enough : here mr taxman, is a box, of chassis motherboard cpu.
asciilifeform: i do not know how the south amer monkeys do their taxation, if it's anything like how the british taxed FUCKGOATS...
a111: Logged on 2018-02-12 15:57 mircea_popescu: but if you notice memory is 60% of the price and ~nobody knows wtf is going on... you get taxed on a third at most.
asciilifeform: briefly upstack to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783327 : it matters 'a third' ~of what~ . if it's of the 15k list price of the box when it was new ( asciilifeform would be using the type of machines previously prepared for mircea_popescu , they are THE most economical in re bux:horsepower ) then it comes to quite a sum
asciilifeform: ( to power the system with said btc, at the very minimum BingoBoingo will need bank acct , but this is possibly yet another subthread )
asciilifeform: so upstack : to keep the system floating, the client base would ( at current heathenbux rate ) have to supply no less than half a btc per mo of revenue
asciilifeform: 12 incidentally is arbitrary number, they could just as readily be installed 'on-demand', N machines at a time (where N is determined by the type of transportation used)
asciilifeform: right, mircea_popescu even already commissioned 3, they are right here
mircea_popescu: well, i was going to take five for myself ; and was willing to even pay for them.
asciilifeform: let's suppose for gedankenexperiment that i could borrow mircea_popescu's nazi submarine and ship'em in duty-free. that still leaves 12*1600 == 19200 heathenbuxxorz for basic vps ( rented, presumably , to heathens, who will somehow agree to part with coin? but this is separate thread..)
mircea_popescu: then again, this does require competent rather than bumbling courriering, so i suppose ima let it rest.
mircea_popescu: but if you notice memory is 60% of the price and ~nobody knows wtf is going on... you get taxed on a third at most.
asciilifeform: then will get taxed neh
asciilifeform: now the cost of filling 12 rack slots with as much cpu horse as they can hold, (using asciilifeform's method, rather than mircea_popescu's, if not clear from context) would be such : 32 cores of opteron @ 3GHz, 256GB ram, 1TB durable ssd, comes to 1600 per 1U machine; no more than 4 machines can travel in a cargo carried by a 1300 two-way ticket
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo himself costs 311(desk) + 350(hostel) + 600(food) per mo; his rack : 2834.06 ; total ~4096 (nice an' round!11) to stay above waterline ( all units above in heathenbux )
mircea_popescu: lol, the man that hates writing articles on his blog.
asciilifeform: i'ma substitute in 350 for the hostel cost, iirc it was close to this
asciilifeform: grr there's a missing param,
asciilifeform: going from http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/02/the-boingo-isp-tbi-november-2017-statement/ and http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/03/pricing-information-fun-with-numbers/ :
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform explaining the thought process in detail will prolly be useful.
asciilifeform back from the calculation mines, and regrets to inform that he does not have the juice with which to power a year of BingoBoingotron , and will not be submitting bid, unless someone l1 ( phf? ) were to want to co-own.
hanbot: why did the anarchist bookstore go out of business? wh
shinohai: Apparently, half the uk gov websites too: https://twitter.com/Scott_Helme/status/962684239975272450
ben_vulpes: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/09/a-long-descent-into-the-cargo-cult/#comment-114684 lol wtf
BingoBoingo: If I am headed out of here I would at least like the chance to more overtly spread machismo and racismo on the way out.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-11 16:34 asciilifeform is not asleep, but in fact still calculating whether he has enuff fuel to take, theoretically, BingoBoingo's rocket to orbit, or only to make larger crater on the ground
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-11#1783278 << There are no problems waiting through tomorrow. Probably until Wednesday even since the city is shut down for Carnaval.
mircea_popescu: eh, took my foot. this is the stock in trade of the pantsuit rhetorics, "i am crying" "it took me X" etc.
shinohai: The best part is it took her 2 whole weeks to formulate a reply
mircea_popescu: upon reflection, it does seem canadians have rather more issues than is average for esltards.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/11/candome-a-venture-into-afrouruguayan-culture/ << Bingo Blog - Candome: A Venture Into AfroUruguayan Culture
asciilifeform is not asleep, but in fact still calculating whether he has enuff fuel to take, theoretically, BingoBoingo's rocket to orbit, or only to make larger crater on the ground
mircea_popescu: in other news, "Dead maze" is a kickass browser game.
diana_coman: obv, there should also be in principle a speed-up because of cutting off the "now word-> bits" part but that's sort of bonus the way I see it
diana_coman: so when it's bits it's bits only, when it's octets there's no bits
diana_coman: but obviously, matching the set of choices that we fix
diana_coman: well, the bit-level implementation can and will remain
mircea_popescu: i kinda liked the fiction that we have a bit-level something.
diana_coman: going with 1.1, 2.1 and 3.2 also takes out entirely from keccak the bit-to-value and value-to-bit conversions ; input is a stream of octets, output is a stream of octets and keccak itself works at word level anyway
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 17:47 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, well, if input+output are considered at octet level, there is a case to say that reading out of the state is also done at octet level; I'll mull this over a bit longer re speed as such (for the word-level implementation because the bit-level is just as slow either way)
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 17:01 mircea_popescu: diana_coman seems to me on the first pass the winning combo is 1.1 / 2.1 / 3.1 ; the phf objection to bit meaning precludes anything else it seems to me ; with the exception that won't bit-extraction (3.1) be particularly slow ?
diana_coman: on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782802 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782813 <- the more I think about this the more it seems to me that there is no point for bit-level extraction from state either; basically if bit notion doesn't make sense then why have it at extraction anyway; I think the choices would be 1.1, 2.1 and 3.2; as to the bit order for the output at the end of the day that is a convention too so it needs only to
BingoBoingo: I'll get some lunch while I wait to see what the aspiring next worry allocator's bid is to get me to stay in Montevideo.
mircea_popescu: capitalism is nothing if not the piecemeal management of worry into manageable pieces.
mircea_popescu: so then let your boss worry about his worries.
BingoBoingo: I have a lot to learn before trusting myself much with the self direction is what this past week has been beating into me.
BingoBoingo: It is why I am inclined for alf to solicit pete_dushenski or another more experienced manager as either a consultant or partner if he is interested in taking over.
BingoBoingo: That management need matches with the learnings of the past week, which... I retrospect I can see in my entire time here.
mircea_popescu: the reason i'm cutting you out is because we have very poor fit, i'm a "provide general guidance and hangings" sort of manager and you evidently need a mommy, to check whether you packed your lunch and to ask if you need to pee every so often. should you find one you can certainly thrive, but you've not found her in me is all.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if as a kid you ever did those things where "oh, if i had time machine, what'd i carry into past to be rich" a la http://trilema.com/2012/the-seven-pillars/ say, but this is just about exactly that. space is time, you know.
mircea_popescu: the exact same holds re your overhead there. you have an office and so on that costs 1/10 or less of what it'd cost had a fiatola scampany carried it on its own books ; and the matter continues -- if we get a semi fulla 2u chassis in, we will have a pile chassis worth 2x what we paid for them due to the barriers the ineptitude of orcs place in our favour.
mircea_popescu: the world is anywhere near. let's keep things in perspective, depressed or not.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what your lack of experience isn't informing you is that you have a very significant advantage. your ~7k per annum cost compares very VERY favorable to what empire pays to hire a walmart drone (25k or so base + 20k or so in overload). the walmart drone costs 6x what you do, and i daresay they do not do 1/6th of what you do. just because you came out short of lordship in the field does not now mean the baseline of
mircea_popescu: now that out of the way, let's handle bb.
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine there's other bids ; but if there are feel free to put a time limit on your bid and we see. i certainly see no problem with the matter being disposed by nightfall.
mircea_popescu: either of these under the firm condition that if at a later point bb has to fly out, it won't come to me.
mircea_popescu: the economic value of the item as it stands would be about .80 ; i'd take that in cash today.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so he has like 20 bitcents in cash, plus whatever's left of the start of month 2k fiats + about 6k of credit with providers (pro-rata for what's left of two months).