mircea_popescu: in other news my grapefruit, natural etcetera mouthwash now has a "gluten free" sticker added.
asciilifeform: there comes a time, lobbes , when enzyme uncurls, stops enzyming.
asciilifeform: lobbes: as for 'submitting', apparently it's trickier than it'd appear, i 'submitted' to the fuhrer for , what, 4yrs, and still thrown out in the end like used napkin
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 04:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is apparently determined to maliciously run s.nsa into the ground, and pin the corpse on asciilifeform .
lobbes: Normally I wouldn't say anything (not really my bznz) but I have a vested interest in asciilifeform existing (I learn a lot from the guy and he has done important work, what)
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 04:55 asciilifeform: it so happens that asciilifeform has purchased a 50% stake in bisp. and specifically with one condition: that mircea_popescu (named, concretely) will not be a back-seat driver there.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784318 << ah damn, sir. Why are you playing with knives here. It was obvious a long time ago that mircea_popescu just wanted you to submit. You can't block the king from intervening in lordly affairs in his own kingdom.
mircea_popescu: well, in all honesty after the bizarro revelations i'm mostly waiting for said discussion, of what you intend to do etc.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: do you plan to rent boxes when we get them racked, or possibly colocate?
mircea_popescu: well anyway. i'm guessing ima read it in the monthlies or w/e.
mircea_popescu: anyway. as he points out, not really much skin off my back either way. but consider that on one hand you're not exactly private investors there, seeing how fwiu you've involved the foundation's capital actually ? so you're stuck to some measure of public dealing an' tranparency as'd befit such a lofty entity in its first actual commitment ? and on the other hand, bbisp kinda depends on good public perception.
ben_vulpes: we've made commitments to each other; if those are reneged upon the whole world goes up in a bonfire of negrating.
mircea_popescu: the latter.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 04:55 asciilifeform: it so happens that asciilifeform has purchased a 50% stake in bisp. and specifically with one condition: that mircea_popescu (named, concretely) will not be a back-seat driver there.
mircea_popescu: but getting back to the previous lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784318 is remarkably nutty. so you liquidate my bonds at an (avoidable) cost of .8, in exchange for a 50% equity position and... what commitment exactly ? if for instance you need money next month, what do you do ?
mircea_popescu: in the vein computers attempted to "ibm compat", except chosen by us not by ibm.
mircea_popescu: be it os, kernel, gcc, whatever. so ideally there'd be a "this is the correct processor/ram/disk/motherboard" etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the idea here is that it'd be ~nice~ if we had a complete list of these responses. "my x dun werk" "use y".
mircea_popescu: so basically is the idea that you'll just do whatever and we're missing this opportunity to attempt an' standardize iron ?
mircea_popescu: yes, but the problem with "lots of x" is that...
ben_vulpes: i want the next run to have one box with lots of ram and cpu to start selling vps and shared hosting in earnest, and another 2 of smaller boxes that can be rented out entire in the $3-400/mo range.
mircea_popescu: well, that was pretty dumb on their part, i guess, but whatever, experience is apparently difficult to process.
asciilifeform: it so happens that asciilifeform has purchased a 50% stake in bisp. and specifically with one condition: that mircea_popescu (named, concretely) will not be a back-seat driver there.
mircea_popescu: i guess, perhaps, the standard for time frittering. but that's well set already, so.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform sets the iron standards.
mircea_popescu: i still intend to follow their standards.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes in point of fact allocated 2 slots for s.nsa . and was asking re whether 3rd ought to also go to it, or to another.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i have nfi. could take too much power, could whatever the fuck.
mircea_popescu: and seeing how you're the fellow who asks me how many items do i want to fit in ben_vulpes 's one item slot, i have serious doubts about your cogency anyway.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the situation is that s.nsa naively bought some iron at your recommendation at some prior point. meanwhile you refused to deliver the "here's the mega-article comparing all hardware, which will guide future republican hardware building.
asciilifeform: and yes, asciilifeform -- not quite ~yet~ stripped of his stars and epaulettes -- wishes to put this matter before the forum.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is apparently determined to maliciously run s.nsa into the ground, and pin the corpse on asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu wants them at his house to use as boat anchor -- oughta specify this. they dun do much good here on desk.
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's unclear to me these are even dc worthy in any sense.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 17:48 ben_vulpes: i have one 1U slot open in my next courier run to .uy, if anyone wants their machine couriered down speak NOW or i'm going to fill it with a box of my choice
mircea_popescu: iirc a) they were nsa boxes and b) the problem there was transportation, after you managed to get them locked out of the phf flight that ended up not happening
asciilifeform: oh while mircea_popescu is tuned in: bisp ( of which asciilifeform is 50% in ) awaits instructions re disposition of the 3 mircea_popescu boxen
mod6: yeah, no. it's fine. i was happy to build/run. to me this is all very exciting/important stuff. back when alf was doing the karatsuba and other things in the late summer/fall, this type of thing started to be contimplated for innerloop substitute.
asciilifeform: sorta like asciilifeform's spending time making no sort of wage, writing the proggy to begin with , neh
mircea_popescu: so his spending his time making less than minimum wage for it is basically his choice, you're just talking into the internet box ? is that the logic ?
asciilifeform: mod6 tried his hand at 'tester of whether ffa really does constanttime modexp'; asciilifeform comments on 1 set of output. is all.
asciilifeform: it is not in fact essential to find the answer ~now~.
mircea_popescu: if you find now as opposed to whenever someone runs it, this differential is worth the difference between what and what ?
asciilifeform: well it's worth the diff b/w actual constanttime and... not
asciilifeform: currently the 2 known inhabitants of this list are ppc and arm7
mircea_popescu: what is the expected gain here ?
asciilifeform: mod6: i will share my current hypothesis : all current intels have MUL leakage
asciilifeform: it's ok to build on one machine and run -- on other. static .
mod6: anyway, on the mule, i never did get adacore running properly. this lappy is the only box i got adacore '16 running on thus far.
mod6: i have this mule box that i strap workloads to (core2duo box) -- should be fine as long as CPU isn't saturated, and during this test, the lappy was only like at .7 load or w/e
asciilifeform: ideally would want also not merely 'all 0' and 'all 1' but rng, and then to plot time vs hammingweight, and look for correlation
asciilifeform: mod6: start however by moving the two for-loops around in your tester
asciilifeform: mod6: well ideally somehow to swap the inodes. still thinking how one might arrange such a thing.
asciilifeform: mod6: fwiw i have found no consistent diff, to the 6th ( beyond that, the timer is useless ) on opteron
asciilifeform: mod6: and it would stand to be repeated with the files swapped ( to remove effect of, e.g., just where the given sample lives on disk physically )
mod6 is working on wrapping up all the things for V 99993
mod6: asciilifeform: I did check if that the perf test was still running -- it was this am. I think it should finish sometime today.
shinohai: Sadly, they cannot make any real arguments *against* running fully-validating node. So whatever fud sticks I suppose.
mod6: These scammers just keep doubling down, huh.
shinohai: Now we can censor ever so many more transactions together!
mod6: My node has been caught up for over 15 days, and looking good. I've added it to the Republican Trusted Node List; http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html
shinohai: Not that I'm going to waste time asking the schmuck how running full node lets me censor tx's
BingoBoingo: My habitually exposed skin has actually tanned deeper here than most of the locals', but I am preserving my tan lines for the status symbol they are.
BingoBoingo: Could be the recent ordeals has given me a harder appearance and manner of carriage? Or possibly the lower castes of orcs are developing a mythology.
asciilifeform: then nfi
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, my clothes are the same. Just fit looser. And these are the same bums I have been seeing since December. So far harmless except for the time in January a less frequent one got insistent beyond his station and was corrected by his fellow bums.
asciilifeform: hm this could be problem, possibly yer clothes look foreign, BingoBoingo , need local rags
BingoBoingo: In other developments This week the residential bums around Montevideo Shopping have started addressing me as "Maestro" rather than "Amigo" when I walk by. The first time was Tuesday, then it happened again twice yesterday with different bums. Will advise how this situation develops.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Qlater tell ave1 so i finally tested, exhaustively, and turns out you were completely correct re the inline pragma, gcc ~sometimes~ ( when it wants... ) inlines when it is not given in the .ads . i'ma fix this in ch12, this find deserves own chapter, with re-done timings for errything
asciilifeform: !~later tell ave1 so i finally tested, exhaustively, and turns out you were completely correct re the inline pragma, gcc ~sometimes~ ( when it wants... ) inlines when it is not given in the .ads . i'ma fix this in ch12, this find deserves own chapter, with re-done timings for errything
BingoBoingo: I read your brevity as sufficient editorial to hammer the cognitive dissonance here on the subject. Well done.
asciilifeform: ( hanging chads were the feature of 2000 election )
asciilifeform: otherwise ok
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/02/acute-pantsuit-inconsistency-shows-internal-disregard-for-their-illusion-of-franchise/ << Qntra - Acute Pantsuit Inconsistency Shows Internal Disregard For Their Illusion of "Franchise"
asciilifeform: in other not-quite-noose, not only is zoolag unfailingly in sync, but today had personal record broken, 31 peers.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the world of shitware, https://archive.is/NPY51 >> irssi: 'Use after free when server is disconnected during netsplits', 'Use after free when SASL messages are received in unexpected order', 'Null pointer dereference when an "empty" nick has been observed by Irssi', a few others in same spirit
shinohai: sbcl.org "Project web is currently offline pending the final migration of its data to our new datacenter."
mod6: cool lobbes. Was a shot in the dark. :]
asciilifeform: shinohai: what was the challenge then ? this was a box that came with an evil gcc originally ?
mod6: jurov: We're working out the details on that. Good question though.
jurov: any other urgent demands on Teh Treasury?
ben_vulpes: we can run it async, just paste him the deets encrypted
mod6: Probably will have to wait until tomorrow for Jurov to make the actual tx since it's probably getting late there for him.
ben_vulpes: jurov will then send the exact quoted amount to that addr and bob's your aunt we should be fine
ben_vulpes: mod6: run !!deposit 3.3 , decrypt it and send the results to jurov
jurov: I know Bingo's 1Ewe... addy but he best confirm he still has the privkey
ben_vulpes: mod6: if you make a deposit call, can you give jurov the address and amount to send?
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783949 << I think if you can somehow get it into my account, then I can have whomever invoice me or what not.
mod6: I dunno either :D
lobbesbot: jurov: Sent 1 day, 0 hours, and 6 minutes ago: <lobbes> plox to ping mod6 once ya get the chance
asciilifeform: relatedly i burned much time on graphics-generators but in the end threw all out, ended up writing ch10's physical diagrams in ordinary htm
asciilifeform: think back to the 'commonlisp vs scheme' wars.
asciilifeform: ( but trick is, simple ~when seen as a whole~, rather than 'html-simple' where the building block is simply very dumb and to do anything even slightly complicated on it, requires herculean effort )
trinque: that can either be a simple protocol, or a complex one with key history and whatever other nonsense gets dreamed up.
trinque: there's also the interesting question of what wot ratings look like in a gossipd world. yes, I will still warehouse my repository of wot data, but I'd also be happy to chatter ratings to other nodes.
asciilifeform: ( there was an old mp thread tho, about this, where he convincingly argued that only live people matter in re ratings )
asciilifeform: well the friends who still live.
trinque: indeed. and moving them to another meaningless. your friends like you, they'll rate you again.
asciilifeform: nick is clothes worn by a key.
asciilifeform: it seems to me to be The Right Thing
trinque: I'm clearly leaning towards that they rate keys, yes
asciilifeform: ( i.e. the pov that nick is merely a convenient method of referring to a key . )
asciilifeform: trinque: consider one possible cut of the knot : people to rate moduli, not nicks
trinque: I think when you start enumerating those kinds of cases, there are many, and it's the sort of systemd hair we're familiar with.
trinque: TomServo: how will folks that rated you under one nick and key know that I (hypothetically) moved your ratings to another nick and key
trinque: that's what "open that up to the forum" means
asciilifeform: i for one intend to retire the modulus i made on kochian prng.
trinque: it's what the meaning of holding a particular key is.
trinque: isn't the labor involved
asciilifeform: trinque: imho it would be reasonable for you to charge something, for the labour of modulus swap
trinque: they're not of the same form though; this is "trinque is now trusted to do arbitrary swaps between keys and ratings"
trinque: TomServo: I have so far made an exception for the fig-leaf expiration field, with the understanding that this exception goes away when P
trinque: well, I open that up to the forum. they rated "TomServo" with key K1. TomServo comes along and demonstrates to me that he controls both K1 and K2, and wants to transfer ratings to K2 under $newNick.
TomServo: ben_vulpes: Surprised this has not been done. I'll add to the (geological!) list.
TomServo: I think a new key is neccessary in my case and figured if changing nicks, that'd be the time.
trinque: wise folks will pick both a nick and key they can live with.
trinque: and the volume of these does not merit automation, and there are significant downsides to automating it.
trinque: there is no process for changing the key-nick relationship other than asking me pretty please
lobbes: For some reason I had the delusion that handle and key were inexorably linked in deedbot. I stand corrected
TomServo: That would be my preference, but if you're telling me there is no benefit in it, I wouldn't bother.
ben_vulpes: TomServo: you're talking about updating the nonsense "name" field on your kochrsa key?
TomServo: lobbes: Continuity break? As I understood there was a (perhaps annoying to trinque) process for renewing keys.
lobbes: Can always just state realname in logs/blog and point to it when asked. (speaking of which, I realize I never have done this. So, for the logs, my real name is Eric Benevides)
a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 17:37 TomServo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783810 << Coincidentally, this is my real name, aha. Which is also on the list, getting new key under real name.
asciilifeform: and additionally if he wants FGs in the 2, how many in each ( the max that fits comfortably is 2 ) , and they must then be subtracted from the inventory.
ben_vulpes: so asciilifeform you see why i'm advertising the slot?
asciilifeform: 1 (dulap) disked; other 2 want disks ( can be filled within 2-3 days after mp writes in re what he wants in'em )
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you ordered these boxes from asciilifeform and then threw hands up over the whole thing; still want them disked and racked any preference on which?
ben_vulpes: so it's 1 slot after 1 of 3 s.nsa machines; let's fill it with another s.nsa machine.
ben_vulpes: well you've got the 1 machine that's ready to ship right now, dulap yhes? and then of the 2 remaining diskless gotta a) get disk in 'em and b) get mircea_popescu to okay their installation
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: also hilarious was the wank in pantsuit news recently about omfg nk made so much money evading sanctions and who would evade sanctions!
ben_vulpes: i have one 1U slot open in my next courier run to .uy, if anyone wants their machine couriered down speak NOW or i'm going to fill it with a box of my choice
asciilifeform: '...institutionalized money laundering as a pillar of the bank’s business practices. Illicit financial activity at the bank includes transactions for parties connected to UN-designated entities, some of which are involved in North Korea...' etc etc
TomServo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783810 << Coincidentally, this is my real name, aha. Which is also on the list, getting new key under real name.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 14:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783483 << the correct approach is to make up for lost time by helping us become familiar with you (in the sense of your history -- there is no other you than what you do).
a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 14:27 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes might be able to supply middle management if he takes an active interest in this venture. But as per http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/13/a-summary-of-bbisp-activity/#comment-114709 I would like to see new management present at least one plan where they envision keeping the corpse warm for a month and pulling the plug if they find it unfeasible in a way that allows BingoBoingo to survive in a position no wosre than
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It was the thought behind suggesting ben_vulpes for that role here, after the results of send a Librarian to South America... some decisions probably gotta get more conservative http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783781
mircea_popescu: if you're a smart guy, you just use this to prop castle ben_vulpes into existence. you two need a place to confer, and it doesn't properly belong here unless there's some kind of larger problem, so for day to day ops... you gotr a fodder.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-10 15:16 mircea_popescu: i'll be here an hour later. so will be here the fact the latter approach is well known and THOROUGHLY documented to cause shocking failure in otherwise well meaning, intelligent and respectable kids. that's ~the whole history of early bitcoin.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 15:13 mircea_popescu: or in more pointed terms, we've been running a http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ except for brains. the reaction in the population has been comparable. it turns out about as many people have brains as girls have tits. and they're about as intellectually useful, too!
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783842 << BingoBoingo needs supervision and tasking at a (micro-)scale that mircea_popescu understandably has zero interest in providing. now this may be a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-10#1783173, but if building an isp for tmsr isn't worth bleeding for i don't know what is and so this is the breach into which i intend to step.
BingoBoingo: Anyways patch might be to introduce a bindip= param in the .config
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> similarly a heathen could get himself malleused and notice that both 'separate' nodes simultaneously disconnect him << At this point heathen is expending effort
asciilifeform: similarly a heathen could get himself malleused and notice that both 'separate' nodes simultaneously disconnect him
asciilifeform: ( i didn't bother to. but eventually would notice that when one is hanging, so is other )
asciilifeform: but in this case , observe, they ~can~
asciilifeform: what's the use of plugging >1 ip addr into a box, if all the proggies get served on all of'em
mircea_popescu: the concept of "separation" is not useful.
asciilifeform: rather than 'bahahaha i'ma take up whole box'
asciilifeform: fact of the matter is that all reasonably well-behaved socket proggies take a config as to where to bind
mircea_popescu: even if you do so run two, you still want both to see the whole "pool"
mircea_popescu: the concept of separation here is meaningless.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: congrats incidentally on uncovering the must-fix-itude of this
BingoBoingo: The pedantry in this case is appreciated.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at the risk of pedantry , it binds indeed to a port, http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp?v=makefiles#1174 , BUT! , does not bind ~to one ip~ , http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp?v=makefiles#1206
BingoBoingo: It turns out trb doesn't bind to a port. Thusly if you change the myip parameter other boxes will talk to it on the old ip out of habit in addition to the new.
mircea_popescu: mod6 if you'd rather pay cash, that's also fine. !!pay mircea_popescu .8 at your leisure
a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 14:18 mircea_popescu: that aside, i don't necessarily want to be paid cash or anything ; carry the same http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-11#1783243 on the books alongside whatever you're adding via the foundation and it'll be fine.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783768 << Well, we figured a fresh start would be best for all involved. Although, other arrangements can be considerd too - such as customer credit if so desired.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 14:15 mircea_popescu: mod6 i'm not against you taking over ; but mind that as you also mention, BingoBoingo 's problem wasn't lack of access to capital (i dunno why this keeps being the expectation, as it's scarcely yet been the case, we're drastically overcapitalized is the entire fucking problem to begin with). BingoBoingo 's problem was lack of access to middle management, and it nigh on killed him. so for this to work, that's the key element.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783767 << Ok thanks :] We're planning on having management of BingoBoingo ; the details are in the works.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 10:40 diana_coman: mod6, mind giving a bit more detail regarding the business+technical side?
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783763 << The details are in progress. We're first trying to simply keep the lights on.
mircea_popescu: the 8 fixed bytes are intended to permit future extension, if needed. there's no hard requirement they be set to the default values, user can also set them randomly if he prefers.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 07:40 ave1: I seem to have tripped over the name *foundation*
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783752 << don't regexp match, it's liable to come to the same sort of result in all future applications also.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 15:11 mircea_popescu: which brings the following point home : it's not at all http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783553 ; it's very much that the republic doesn't actually have the intellectual capacity to handle the needs of its immense capital, as of yet.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 15:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783585 << continuing on this discussion (not so as to improperly call asciilifeform 's usual dithery blather such ; but for the record, that a discussion was at least ~attempted~) : s.mg boardroom eventually decided yesterday to employ a format for the pre-padded rsa messages. it will consist of [F][random bits][message].
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783834 << worse yet ( or better?? ) i do not even have 'blather' to add to this, i never solved yet the 'padding' problem at all.
mircea_popescu: or in more pointed terms, we've been running a http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ except for brains. the reaction in the population has been comparable. it turns out about as many people have brains as girls have tits. and they're about as intellectually useful, too!
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 17:54 diana_coman: in other words this can be put as: tmsr's l1 atm is not big enough yet to support an isp of its own
mircea_popescu: which brings the following point home : it's not at all http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783553 ; it's very much that the republic doesn't actually have the intellectual capacity to handle the needs of its immense capital, as of yet.
mircea_popescu: the sizes note the message size, which is to say how many bits to lop off the end. this has specific benefits over the (deeply inept) scheme gpg currently uses ; they'll be discussed in the usual diana_coman post on the topic.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 22:06 diana_coman: in other issues: rfc on oaep for tmsr, see http://trilema.com/2017/tmsr-rsa-spec-extremely-early-draft/#comment-124596
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783585 << continuing on this discussion (not so as to improperly call asciilifeform 's usual dithery blather such ; but for the record, that a discussion was at least ~attempted~) : s.mg boardroom eventually decided yesterday to employ a format for the pre-padded rsa messages. it will consist of [F][random bits][message].
mircea_popescu: but their absolute need for bitcoin is in any case a more fundamental matter than their physical existence.
mircea_popescu: this is a not-negotiable point, bitcoin is the currency of the republic, and payments will be made in it. let allcomers figure out how to buy the bitcoin they absolutely need.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 17:40 asciilifeform: as far as i can see, there is a shortage of heathens who have any btc to spend to begin with. (much less who want to spend it on a vps)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783540 << people all over the world manage to acquire arbitrary fiat to pay for their whatever, rents. they'll manage to acquire the bitcoin, similarily.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the fundamental reason i didn't say no to uy (in preference of say, hk) is specifically that asia has a bw problem.
mircea_popescu: (this is the deep, and political meaning of the rowhammer class of attacks : it has rendered amazon's business entirely worthless ; much like basic physics make tesla be a paper-only usg venture, so now the last remaining flagship. all hopes now pinned on googles artificial "intelligence" [and i guess "quantum" wank].)
BingoBoingo: The bandwidth cost if the pipe is anything close to filled is comprable to Brazil where they bill bandwidth off the pipe on a percentage transfer scheme and beats Asia where they bill extortionately for data that crosses borders
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783525 << the problem is not really the bw in the sense of a limitation, can get as much installed as you want. the prices he's paying there are not terrible for what he gets.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-12 16:42 mircea_popescu: "if mp built his back-to-back toilet, how could you ~using software only, mind!~ ensure the piss of his slavegirls doesn't mix ?"
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 16:08 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Another higher margin activity which can be marketed is good old fashioned shared hosting.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783521 << these aren't really distinct. you either lease boxes or else you http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783389 ; however you call it is not relevant, "vps", "shared hosting", "virtualization", "cloud", there is no distinction between these.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 14:32 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783471 << I can't speak for others, but talk (and opinions) are cheap! Only one willing to consider shouldering the post-mp burden/risk thus far has been asciilifeform.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783485 << "willing". asciilifeform is principally willing to stick himself into things, then delay them, and then ultimately produce some laughably inept excuse.
mircea_popescu: hey. you quit drinking on the couch ytou have, not on the couch you might possibly need for the purpose ; and consequently...
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, not perfect but servicable. Cuning enough to extract a decent living here outta the orcs while waiting to return to the Dental profession.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> how you hodling up ? << I guess the other big lesson is that in a bit more than two months, this weekend has shown that I made at least one servicable friend here
mircea_popescu: in other words, don't wait about while praying st Hilarity. put your hands on it and do.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783483 << the correct approach is to make up for lost time by helping us become familiar with you (in the sense of your history -- there is no other you than what you do).
mircea_popescu: quite some lulz to be had there, to fill up those sleepless nights.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 10:58 ave1: Hanbot and Diana_coman, I thought so too. The past couple of days has cost me a few nights sleep. My thoughts here: http://ave1.org/2018/from-the-proverbial-peanut-gallery/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783476 << crowdsourced middle management is a rather terrible idea ; are you familiar with say the potemkin rebellion, or generally the early (properly soviet) phase of russian revolution ?
BingoBoingo: Gotta have a live intelligence to reflect against, to get the relief outta being honest
mircea_popescu: there is that.
BingoBoingo: I have been doing that, but for Step 5 it doesn't seem right if you can't look the other person in the eye
mircea_popescu: sure as waterlillies nobody put an import tax on AA, there or anywhere else. and yet.
mircea_popescu: they're fuckups altogether, as a substance not as a coincidental, environment-driven property.
mircea_popescu: then you discover muslims don't know how to fuck, either, and realise that no, being an orc is a very substantial thing. it's not just foreign / neologistic items they fuck up.
mircea_popescu: it's funny what parts turn out rotten/unreliable huh. you'd think there's nothing intrinsically orc about AA, it's a fundamental human thing, how could they botch it ?!
BingoBoingo: But with the IspWish... With a mircea_popescu venture I had a good idea I was playing with a knife. I have a lot of uncertainty what a mod6, ben_vulpes, alf coalition offers that mircea_popescu didn't other than padding and yet to be determined quality of middle management. If they present an escape plan it would provide a lot of comfort.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: One day at a time. This has been good for my AA basics even if the local AA seems more cargo cult as my spanish improves.
BingoBoingo: after his recent attempt to fly to the sun.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes might be able to supply middle management if he takes an active interest in this venture. But as per http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/13/a-summary-of-bbisp-activity/#comment-114709 I would like to see new management present at least one plan where they envision keeping the corpse warm for a month and pulling the plug if they find it unfeasible in a way that allows BingoBoingo to survive in a position no wosre than
asciilifeform: i'ma not spoil the bisp surprise tho, will wait till its new commander wakes up, speaks.
mircea_popescu: somehow we're asked to forgive the plain fact that pantsuit's socialist paradise will NEVER come, because let's all focus on how some species got extincted for sucking bad enough to need the measure.
mircea_popescu: MEANWHILE, however, they have 100% unaccounted for the time externality. so basically it's a contest consisting of a guy without legs going about finding fault with people's fingers. because he's decided "legs don't count", and so as he has much better hands than the rest of those losers he should be captain of the football team.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-12 19:55 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783439 << this thread puts much in perspective. In all my arguments with socialist aquaintances, it always seems like it boils down to "well, if there's failure that just means we haven't tried xyz magical configuration of policies yet!". I.e. "goal posts" can be moved ad infinitum (in their eyes, that is)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783451 << very much that exactly. the pantsuit rides on a high and mighty horse of "oh, capitalists don't account for ALL the externalities", hence its trojan horse of "environmentalism", because mind you that people making the civilisation run haven't in their ledger of costs and benefits a line for the obscure pondfish of extinction, and this, while epsilon, IS TILL NOT ZERO!!! concerntrol
mircea_popescu: that aside, i don't necessarily want to be paid cash or anything ; carry the same http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-11#1783243 on the books alongside whatever you're adding via the foundation and it'll be fine.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i'm not against you taking over ; but mind that as you also mention, BingoBoingo 's problem wasn't lack of access to capital (i dunno why this keeps being the expectation, as it's scarcely yet been the case, we're drastically overcapitalized is the entire fucking problem to begin with). BingoBoingo 's problem was lack of access to middle management, and it nigh on killed him. so for this to work, that's the key element.
diana_coman: mod6, mind giving a bit more detail regarding the business+technical side?
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 22:44 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes speaking of house, the BEST THING father can do for his daughter, aged 9 to 19, is make sure she has abundant, clean protein available. no meal without salmon, fine beef, shrimp, pump her full of 100g of protein a day.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-25 17:25 mircea_popescu: hmm, where the hell is the place where i say the father's responsibility to his daughter is to shove a pound of raw prime beef down her throat every day and naught else ?
diana_coman: while searching for something else, I found the answer to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776243 ; it's in the logs, at http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616384
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783593 << I think I'm in a similar boat as you, but I've just been lucky not to run into the kraken (http://trilema.com/2018/experimental-results/#selection-343.191-347.68). My luck will run out eventually though.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783587 << damn. Well, while I'm not opposed to having lobbesbot take over jhvh1 functionality, I still have much in the hopper already (e.g. getting archive bulk-download into production). Hell, by the time I get to it I may wake to my own heathen vpsen assassinated ;/
ave1: I seem to have tripped over the name *foundation*
lobbes: yeah ave1, I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. Foundation is two guys who each have a distinct identity that can be impaled by the forum's punishment gazette at any time. I fail to see the pantsuit properties of the solution
ben_vulpes: how does that follow from my and mod6 personal responsibility for everything the foundation does
ben_vulpes: remind me of what these rules and bylaws are again?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 23:19 mod6: Alright, the Bitcoin Foundation has been discussing all day about using funds to support the bbisp. We are ready to make that commitment.
asciilifeform: will be lulzy incidentally if the diff goes the other way when you move the files somewhere else on disk and rename'em etc