BingoBoingo: It'll prolly be a while till the USD downmarch shakes out the whole "remember we showed up once X years ago" crowd.
mircea_popescu is getting intolerant of the whole punkmanist/indiancandy style "o hey, maybe they forgot?!"
mircea_popescu: either fix yourself to fit in or else stop bothering to come by, because the next time you do one of these ima just block you.
trinque has other things to do, but consider. used to beat people for not doing their six months of logs reading.
trinque: what is this "still being desired"? do you not follow the logs?
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: hi. they were connected. if trb nodes are still being desired, i am trying to set one up. i am trying to install GNUGPG on the linux machine so i can verify trb sigs. and i keep getting this problem described above
shinohai: ag3nt_zer0: best bet is to simply nuke the Ubuntu gpg and build from sauce.
trinque: dude, no more "this is stuff they talk about" word salad
ag3nt_zer0: encountering this problem here installing packages required for GNUGPG ubuntu install. telling me i need for instance libgcrypt to build this program, when libgcrypt was the first one i configured - perhaps I was supposed to tell it where to configure? sorry no pastebin i am on another computer here...
BingoBoingo: ag3nt_zer0: What troubling news? TRB still exists, and management of the ISP development in a transition process http://pizarroisp.net/?p=5
ag3nt_zer0: i'm not hip to the details. is it still desirable to get trb nodes up?
ag3nt_zer0: how goes it? just came across the unsettling news...
BingoBoingo: In today's rereadings, courtesy the trilema front page http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/
deedbot: http://barksinthewind.com/2018/coppa-airlines-baggage/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - Copa Airlines baggage policy
deedbot: http://barksinthewind.com/2016/as-from-ccl/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - applescript from clozure
mod6: thanks for the notice phf
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/20/building-a-life-in-montevideo/ << Bingo Blog - Building A Life In Montevideo
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, the first error I find in my published code, yes; there was the mpi error I corrected, previously
mircea_popescu: diana_coman is that like the first ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> that's what i like about idiots, that they're determinedly idiotic. rarely you run into amateurs, it's generally pros all the way. << "expert beginners"
mircea_popescu: but... they didn't use it, and it doesn't work anymore, and they're quite happy together.
mircea_popescu: you'd think someone'd notice if a tool they actually used went away.
shinohai always rather enjoyed it, sort of a treasure hunt of facts if you will.
mircea_popescu: and it shows ; google has become, steadily but acceleratingly, worthless for research. i pointed this out, but the sum total of pantsuit complaints, summed again to the closest integer, is also zero.
mircea_popescu: the sum total of "internet users" from the "informatrion superhighway" who sat down at any point since 2016 going "hmm... i wonder what my opinion of this hanno bock character should be. let's do some research..." is, rounded to the closest integer, zero.
mircea_popescu: sure ; meanwhile consider this : the article the fetlife bot keeps linking to the fetlife tards ISNT in the top 20 of the month.
mircea_popescu: that's what i like about idiots, that they're determinedly idiotic. rarely you run into amateurs, it's generally pros all the way.
mircea_popescu: schmuck will actually take the time to boot off a different interface, will however NOT take the time to address why he got banned in the first place.
mod6: I'm finding it hard to paste my things into there.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: be so kind as to comment on the post, my good man << alright, cool.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 21:13 ben_vulpes: i would also like to deposit these funds with a non-involved individual to seal in blood the capitalization of this entity
a111: Logged on 2018-02-20 04:12 mircea_popescu: im guessing the manager holds on to them ? or yuou want a separate treasurer ?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-20#1785233 << http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784554 << treasurer still wanted, but i'll do the duties if nobody steps up; actually strikes me as a core responsibility of the manager of a bitcoin company
ben_vulpes: mod6: be so kind as to comment on the post, my good man
mod6: mircea_popescu: That might be something for us to consider, I do believe that ben_vulpes said he would handle this himself, at least for now. I guess there no reason why one couldn't be brought on later if the labor involved in that becomes to great for the operations manager.
mod6: (That's all I've got for now, other than those things, looks pretty good to me ben_vulpes. Nice work!)
mod6: Question 4: Where should mod6's and asciilifeform's, and whatever remaining Bitcoin Foundation funds be sent? Do we need a public address to pay these to?
mod6: Ah, alright. Maybe there should be a line in there about that, and perhaps unanimous decision required. Or something of the kind.
mircea_popescu: mod6 traditionally board membership changes are voted by the board.
mod6: "asciilifeform, mod6, and the chairmen of The Bitcoin Foundation will each appoint one board member, hire ben_vulpes to manage Pizarro, and hire BingoBoingo to perform remote hands labor."
mod6: Question 3: From the language of part, it sounds like asciilifeform, mod6 and Both Co-Chairs can each appoint one board member. A total of three board members will exist. Can an elected/appointed board member give up his seat at any time for another person? Or if not is the term of the board seat for the existance of the entity?
mod6: Question 2: Where will the shares be issued? Or are they simply just to remain non-transferrable and a line item on the AN0 sheet?
mod6: Question 1: Will the foundation receive any shares for it's 1 BTC contribution?
mod6: Alright, one thing that can be cleared up imho: "asciilifeform will pay for the ticket out of his own pocket, with mod6 as backstop and ben_vulpes as secondary backstop."
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 20:21 trinque: this thing doesn't need any more chatter; let the parties working work, and see what comes of it.
hanbot: imo trinque's insight the other night applies here also: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784548
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu: i gotta say that i do not understand the point of the candid photo request << There is a crisis of faith, and the request is for an act of good faith in addressing the crisis.
mircea_popescu: and if it does, it does you the great favour of rescuing the future you'd have poured into something that, in the cold light of day, wasn't worth it.
ben_vulpes: sure. i'd hate to lose your custom or his capitalization over what seems to me a trifle whose import i do not understand in the context of the isp.
mircea_popescu: people tend to (stupidly) eschew taking photos of the important moments of their life, and then many years later they're left with meaningless albums of circumstantial bullcrap irrelevant to them.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i gotta say that i do not understand the point of the candid photo request
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform mod6, all interested in the evolution of Pizarro's corporate structure please to review http://pizarroisp.net/?p=5
mircea_popescu: im sure there's some poor africans in a center for businessmen "owing" each other trillions in notional btc as we speak, what's to keep 'em.
ben_vulpes: there are some gems in october 5th as well
joecool: we have paper deeds to sums in the hundreds of thousands of btc :P
joecool: deedbot woulda been useful for these guys
joecool: there's a few hundred pages
ben_vulpes: i'm actually curious about the joecool scoop
diana_coman: I'll focus for now on eucrypt; it has anyway ada-c integration itself so I'll see what I have by the end
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i guess once the eucrypt adventure is sealed a cover letter re ada-c integration may be a good idea, for future reference.
mircea_popescu: aite, so write the piece up, bb is around so it can be quick
joecool: mircea_popescu: nor do they need to publish it as that
BingoBoingo: joecool: Write up a draft, if it's good it gets published but the premise makes this seem unlikely as framed by "probable creators"
diana_coman: but again, adacore gprbuild, I can't vouch for any other version atm
joecool: BingoBoingo: probable creators of bitcoin filed suit against each other last week, I have the complaint
diana_coman: nuke the gnu gnat on sight unless you have time to lose and hair to pull
mircea_popescu: diana_coman so basically a rut is shaping up here, "use gpr from adacore -- gnat / others dun actually work" ?
diana_coman: theoretically as far as I can tell it's a feature, not a bug aka "it's not gnatmake's business to do this, go use gprbuild"
mircea_popescu: so wait, is gnat broken is the idea ?
diana_coman: in lulz from the (eu)crypt: gnatmake helpfully complains about all sorts in a .gpr file; once everything is fine, it.. fails with a very informative "aggregate libraries are not supported"; and indeed one has to use gprbuild and nothing else for aggregate libraries
shinohai: I'm sure with time they can get that number closer to 100%
BingoBoingo: <mod6> I'm gonna give mircea_popescu, diana_coman, BingoBoingo, asciilifeform, phf, and others time to catch up and weigh in, if so desired.<< It appears my opportunity to worry on this came and was addressed while getting the tooth repaired. 2300 pesos. That
shinohai: Where the bjeezus you bee? Thought you had been raped and murdered by thai ladybois
ben_vulpes: by the name of ... ?
shinohai: Runs circles around the original gribble wallet plugin.
mod6: (did I just not see it? maybe it's already there somewhere)
mod6: trinque: hey, suggestion here for deedbot.org -- A link from the homepage to the Help (help.html) would be nice. or i'd settle for one in the "frequently asked questions" page too.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-19 17:31 mircea_popescu: and to ben_vulpes that you will not allow the natural and understandable desire of strive avoiding to guide you into nonsense, but will firmly commit to clearly and openly discuss problems.
mod6: I think it's worth it, to go through the hairpulling, to turn it from "adventure" into "venture".
mircea_popescu: amusingly, much in the vein of "all lugs tumble the same in the lug tumbler" point from before, this is ~almost exactly~ how it works in fiatlandia too. a week's worth of hairpulling and lost nights and so on.
mircea_popescu: mod6 is it open for others ? or are you happy to keep it narrow for now ?
mod6: I hope that it would be an initial amount that will get pizarro off the launch pad.
mod6: aha, thanks for the guidence here.
mod6: So, let's see: 5 BTC from mod6, 5 BTC fom asciilifeform, 1 BTC from The Bitcoin Foundation = 11 BTC. One board seat for each of these; mod6, asciilifeform, and The Bitcoin Foundation. ben_vulpes, and BingoBoingo are to be given Special Stock Warrants for their work.
ben_vulpes: "mod6 and ben_vulpes have extended 5 BTC of The Bitcoin Foundation's capital in credit to further start-up and operating costs associated with taking over the ashes of BISP and bringing a new venture to profitability. asciilifeform will match the Foundation's capital 1-to-1. "
ben_vulpes: anyways, i appreciate everyone's time in refining the structure.
mircea_popescu: and with that, there you go : have mod6 and asciilifeform each pay in 10 btc, have the foundation give out 1 btc also, making a total of 11 ; give tbf and the equity partners a seat each for a total of 3 ; have ben_vulpes and BingoBoingo get stock warrants monthly on some sort of agreed upon scheme and there you go.
mircea_popescu: and to ben_vulpes that you will not allow the natural and understandable desire of strive avoiding to guide you into nonsense, but will firmly commit to clearly and openly discuss problems.
mircea_popescu: gullible fool that i am, i will even allow myself to be seduced into living the 5th point ; on conditions : to asciilifeform that he principally sticks to a timekeeping and scheduling method of his design, at the bare minimum the proverbial chess clock and corkboard ; and subsidiarily that he gets the girl to take a (~candid!~) shot of him with the instruments sometime this week. give the girl a camera, have her take a bunch,
mod6: That may not be a bad idea. However, there's maybe a lot more that needs to go into creating something like that. Not sure what our time-horizon is here...
mircea_popescu: and yes, this is what would probably be a fine solution here, you taking warrants. if the equity value goes up you're obviously entitled to profit ; and otherwise... well... more work to do.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i hadn't disclosed that yet, at the time of purchase it seemed appropriate to disclose in the monthly
ben_vulpes: yeah certainly. for my learnings, how did you price chet's ssw's in the early days of s.mg? by having known her forever?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-19 17:06 mod6: That seems accurate to me as well, as the foundation owns the server assets.
mircea_popescu: yes, but this is an iffy point in that it's hard to guess how palatable this'd be to the equity.
ben_vulpes: i'm actually thinking to capitalize by working on the thing; could easily eat 3.5 btc of my time in the first year alone
a111: Logged on 2018-02-19 16:51 ben_vulpes: not unreasonable, and it does clean up the ownership structure significantly.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1785005 << what's your position there, do you want to capitalize ? to what sort of level ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 i thought it was more of a "umm... more of these ? ya ok."
ben_vulpes: it's the most important thing one can buy with bitcoins dontchaknow
trinque: ben_vulpes obviously said it better than I could have. the foundation's interests are in bitcoin; couldn't be more broad a justification for involvement in society as the chairs deem.
mircea_popescu: in other words, there's no need to provision for "impartially" ahead of time, as you have a (working, proven) mechanism to realise that jit.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing intrinsically wrong about wearing different hats. a situation can be seen from different perspectives, why not.
mircea_popescu: mod6 nothing prevents you from discussing it publicly. "here's the issue before the board, here's what i think foundation should do, here's what ben_vulpes thinks it should do, this is what we'll be doing, comment"
mod6: Here's the thing, if the foundation gets a board seat, who is to represent it impartially or what not? In the given case where I have 1 board seat from say 1 BTC, and ben has one from 1 BTC.
mircea_popescu: the reason you made that a draft is so it's drafted upon neh.
mircea_popescu: so restructure the deal, have the foundation put in a bitcoin, get a seat for it, put a coupla bitcoin each of you, get a seat for it each, or whatever's convenient.
mod6: What I think is that it maybe clearer, better for Pizarro to have private investment -- especially since the two co-chairs are also going to be involved in either "management" or "board seats".
mircea_popescu: i don't think it's undefensible in the least to say "well, item x has to work, we can't deny it capital, so we're there in the front line". which is kinda what it came to.
mod6: trinque: to me, it's not that expendature is inappropriate, that's not what I'm saying. I think trying to help Pizarro get off the launch pad is a great thing for the Foundation to do.
mircea_popescu: so there's necessarily nothing wrong with foundation being equitably involved. now, how much... well, this is more of an open question.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-19 16:45 mod6: there might be a better way to go about this without the Foundation's involvement. Like I said before, I could have just put up my own coin for this. Just again, as discussed yesterday, the thought was "Can The Bitcoin Foundation do something here to help Pizarro, for the Republic and the betterment of Bitcoin as a whole?"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1784999 << there is, at the very least, a defensible strongline in there : "since the foundation is entitled in 1 per thousand from all income in tax, it is necessarily acceptable for the foundation to invest 1 per thousand of capital in any and all ventures, as a matter of principle. that chairs may opt to eschew this for many is a practical matter at their disposal".
mod6: You are to be manager, there are to be greater than one board memebers.
mod6: mircea_popescu: I think the offer on the table, from ben_vulpes, was for him to be "manager". Am I correct, ben_vulpes?
ben_vulpes: trinque: i maintain that the expenditures to date have been appropriate and legitimate, but am compelled by mod6's argument that actually embroiling the foundation in the ownership of Pizarro complicates it unnecessarily
mod6: trinque: This is a very good question, and so far, other than Pizarro, adds up to 1 renewal of a domain name.
ben_vulpes: so ftr i've disposed of 1.16578854 BTC of the foundation's capital this month; 0.8 in purchasing mircea_popescu's debt and 0.36578854 in servers owned by the foundation; so the sum to which the foundation's piggy is involved is 0.8 BTC
mod6: ben_vulpes: yeah, the SoBA is gonna be a bear this month indeed.
mod6: I'm gonna give mircea_popescu, diana_coman, BingoBoingo, asciilifeform, phf, and others time to catch up and weigh in, if so desired.
ben_vulpes: i'd rather you invest those 5 btc rather than simply give them; it doesn't make a great deal fo sense to 'give' a notionally someday-profitable entity money and furthermore i'd rather you didn't just wash your hands of the whole thing if i can convince you to stick around.
mod6: Let's discuss, and see what makes the most sense.
ben_vulpes: not unreasonable, and it does clean up the ownership structure significantly.
mod6: Of my own coin. (sorry, didn't mean to end the sentence ahead of time).
mod6: What I'm offering, if it is more palatable, is for me to return the Foundation's money and make that whole again, and instead offer up a 5 BTC private / or gift to Pizarro.
mod6: I'll admit that how it is with the 1-to-1 matching and so forth with asciilifeform, seems to be a bit of 'bubblegum+shoestring', which, let's face facts, it is. This is somewhat of an emergency put together entity.
mod6: When thinking about how to re-structure, or re-word some of the Pizarro Charter, it becomes way simpler, and easier with The Bitcoin Foundation out of the equation. And probably would provide for a better structure, a more sound structure, perhaps.
mod6: And I believe that answer, passing the smell test, was "Yes, indeed it can." "This is a useful expendature of the monies."
mod6: there might be a better way to go about this without the Foundation's involvement. Like I said before, I could have just put up my own coin for this. Just again, as discussed yesterday, the thought was "Can The Bitcoin Foundation do something here to help Pizarro, for the Republic and the betterment of Bitcoin as a whole?"
mod6: So reading through some of the comments, questions, concerns rasised by mircea_popescu, and diana_coman, I started thinking yesterday that maybe -- since there are specifically hard-to-draw lines between mod6's role as Foundation Co-Chair, ben_vulpes's role as Foundation Co-Chair and their roles as ``managers'' or ``management'' in Pizarro ...
asciilifeform: ( after this, bbl in the evening )
mircea_popescu: 16358287111888959696680983838486196055353569.308466978, for the mathematically slow.
mircea_popescu: from the civillian pov, "yes, it's all the same". meanwhile 1% summed over ten thousand iterations, which is what civilisation is, comes to... guess.
mircea_popescu: the problems of governance is that you're stuck choosing between 50% loss 55% gain and 48% loss 56% gain sorta deals. there's no "solutions".
asciilifeform: knowing only what's been said so far by mircea_popescu , it'd seem to me as if the story would have ended similarly, even had the dope never been discovered. unless the meth was somehow the reason for the entire town having 1 surgeon left.
mircea_popescu: a mix. what can it possibly produce, what do you think this is, the cartoons ?
mircea_popescu: ah. yes, there was a year and a half long utter shortage of amphetamine. what can you do.
asciilifeform: well 'in charge of town' suggests a possible active ending to the story
asciilifeform: i recall the story of the addicted surgeons. was there a ro trilema on subj, or only the 1 thread here ?
mircea_popescu: but, for his wasted "coin", back in a day before coin was even invented, yet wots still existed, mp also knows as a factual, rather than guessed matter, what all is down that road.
mircea_popescu: for his sins and youthful naivite, mp sided with the exceptionalism view way too long.
mircea_popescu: (and, for the "missing out on career" random (and consequently almost guaranteed to run into grief) potshot : it so happens, like many other things do happen, that mp was in charge of a town at a point in its history when an amphetamine epidemic hit the (very, VERY competent, poorly equipped, badly overworked) medical staff. there was a lot of "x ?! x is beyond brilliance, there isn't a y surgeon like him mentioned in history
mircea_popescu: you're abusing time exactly like random housewife abuses benzedrine, and to shockingly similar results. apparently the quality of input meat reflects in the exoticism of the substance chosen, not at all in the path taken down adiction tobogan.
mircea_popescu: true, your addiction is not alcohol ; it is http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/06/its-only-words-and-assumptions-and-priorities-and-ouch/#comment-1075 instead. but the differences are barely worth the mention, psychanalitically they both play exactly the same role.
mircea_popescu: "random guy i picked to treat as daddy refuses to '''prove his love for me''' ie satisfy my http://trilema.com/2009/exceptionalismul-feminin/ expectations and therefore HE HATES ME!!11". because the 9yo ego decides the relationships and stuff. nuts.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile asciilifeform is actually idiotic enough to "hates my face" ? really, dood ? because why, because you fucked up, AGAIN, are fully determined to not fix it, and consequently "mp hates me" ? who the fuck do you think you are to be worthy of such wonders ? my hate, really ?
mircea_popescu: such a fine rant it was, too! however, i looked over teh pizarro logs, an' there's evidently no room for it. so good for you! my poor rant, now has nowhere to go an' nothing to do ;/
mircea_popescu: in other news, ben_vulpes / mod6 , i had a good rant all summoned up on the topic of "motherfucker, after years of watching me do business publicly, including the lot with bingoboingo, you lot revert to the tardstalk style of 'secrecy' the moment gotta stop nodding along and actually put hands into pie".
mircea_popescu: then the corresponding can also be implemented (l1 can have any blog added). vaguely curious as to results.
mircea_popescu: trinque should prolly make the public blog rss thing a l1 blackballable item. ie anyone deedbot trusts can ask (in channel) for any item to be discontinued -- and it is.
diana_coman: also: is ave1's blog in the rss list? I find it quite useful
trinque: anyone opposed to me removing pete_dushenski from the RSS list? this benchwarmer commentary thing is about enough. contribute or get lost.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2018/02/18/the-shape-of-dust-settling/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The shape of dust settling.
fromloper: I joke that the OS is actually cursed since every CPU arch that it has been ported to has died relatively fast. Since it's being ported right now to x86_64 I hope I'm actually right.
fromloper: Interesting, although I feel the 50 btc fee might be a bit high nowadays for attracting new users.
hanbot: phf> so by coming wednesday i'll release a c differ, that conforms to current vpatch format, but will hopefully let hanbot finish the wp-mp genesis << kickass, looking forward to it.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> "Looks like you tried to comment off a stale page. Reload the article, count to three and try again." << for future reference, mp-wp comment fix is in the edit here: http://thewhet.net/2017/10/a-compendium-of-possibly-helpful-stuffs-for-erecting-mircea-popescus-wordpress-with-nearly-free-speech-hosting/ , and will be a patch once that project can move again.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/18/turning-32-in-montevideo/ << Bingo Blog - Turning 32 In Montevideo
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yes, the idea back then was to send 24 fgs so as to supply 2each for the at the time dozen boxes i was trying to ship over. the latter part fell through, but as i thought the former part was still executed, and in phf's hands, i was trying to unwind it.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 05:57 trinque: probably plenty of ways to improve their process from here, yet the thing was dead in the water, republic declared dead without hosting, and some folks came together against that.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 05:49 trinque: autodidacticism has been thoroughly trashed in the logs
mircea_popescu: sure, whatever you feel like. that's what the fucking blog is there for : whatever you feel like.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm getting dental work done tomorrow. I would like to blog the experience of turning 32 in Montevideo with Pictures, but I guess that can be a separate blog.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> ben_vulpes, BingoBoingo, asciilifeform : Keep me honest here, am I missing / forgetting anything else that needs to be unearthed? << BingoBoingo sent a tarball of fiat side paperwork, datacenter and BingoBoingo's South America allowance paid through march. Emotional back and forth on BingoBoingo's part of the sort where "Uruguayos can all fuck themselves" to "This place isn't so bad, but all the Uruguayos can go fuck themselves".
mircea_popescu: also, building further the (summary) testing infrastructure currently provided is imo a legitimate way to patch upon the tree once complete ; and such work will prolly get sealed.
mircea_popescu: e portion of the month of march. those with domain knowledge are very much invited to participate.
mircea_popescu: in other news : as work on eucrypt is winding down -- the whole item is just about complete, needs serpent and we've decided to add an oaep-rsa wrapper (mostly as a pretext to do some ada-c interop testing), so roughly speaking by end of month it should actually be done -- we're moving on to shaping up the eulora client-server comms model. this will mostly be a design discussion, will take place in #eulora, prolly take up som
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 05:42 mod6: Furthermore, I may be the only investor left in S.NSA, and I would very much like to see it continue.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784632 << improbable, there's what, 100s of btc outstanding.
asciilifeform tuned in , ate logs, unfortunately hasn't just now the time to answer the quality flameage, is in the middle of a quite intricate job atm
mod6: Oh there it is.
mod6: I'm not seeing it show up yet, maybe copy that text just to be sure. I think we're still working out the kinks on that.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 17:45 ben_vulpes: (not to derail, but i've moved the Pizarro provisional charter to http://pizarroisp.net/?p=3 , comments actively sought from eg diana_coman hanbot mircea_popescu lobbes )
mircea_popescu dug it up ye ancient manifest. there's 112 A3 and 10 A1s, of which iirc jurov got a dozen back then, so i assume there's 76 and 10 left ; and 24 a3s with phf. ie a coupla grand in today's fiats.
mircea_popescu: nto it. let the experience sink in, BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER PERSONALITY THAN HISTORY AND NO OTHER GUIDE THAN EXPERIENCE.
mircea_popescu: and since there can never be a better time than the present time : following up on asciilifeform's expert advice, i bought a crate of pogos um... about three years ago, jan/feb 2015, ie when the bitcoin was ~400. they're just as rare now as they were then, and they could have been bought today for the ~same i paid for them then. meaning i lost 95 bitcents to the bitcoin on this deal, for howevermany bitcoins i cared to sink i
phf: mircea_popescu: well, i know that hanbot is waiting for a vdiffer that can actually produce a genesis from what she has, current one fails because of the whole -- regexing
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 21:26 mircea_popescu: 11 days should be enough for alf to bake the boxes i expect. danielpbarron i think he's better suited as they're right next to each other ; but pending discussion with bb can you fedex some pogos ?
phf: so by coming wednesday i'll release a c differ, that conforms to current vpatch format, but will hopefully let hanbot finish the wp-mp genesis
mircea_popescu: phf sorry, change the strategy and what ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 18:23 mircea_popescu: speaking of that, hey phf how's the new vdiff coming along ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784792 << i got overwhelmed with vdiff becoming all things to all people, and since 4 year designs are no longer in vogue, i'm going to change the strategy and unblock specific people waiting for me
mod6: ben_vulpes, BingoBoingo, asciilifeform : Keep me honest here, am I missing / forgetting anything else that needs to be unearthed?
mircea_popescu: (the business case for this would be something like "but look at symbolics gear".)
mircea_popescu: is there any interest in this line with current management ? get a storage unit somewhere in uruguay, pile up all the pogos and other non-replenishables ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> last call on this matter : are the surprises done or is there more exoticism waiting to be sprung on innocents ? << The only agreement not stated in the charter was indeed, stated in here, that alf doesn't want to be involved with mircea_popescu as backseat driver.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to get back to the land of designs for a second : the original idea for tmsr isp was that it'd also function as a holder of valuable (ie, "no longer produced") iron. and it'd carry it on its books, giving it a whole other kind of value.
phf: i can keep them until end of may
mircea_popescu: phf yeah, actually, i should prolly take the rest of them from him, rather than stuff back in. they're long overdue. mind holding on to the grosse for a little ?
phf: i believe dpb is in between houses so there will be some time before he has a reliable return address, but we've already agreed to as much
mircea_popescu: last call on this matter : are the surprises done or is there more exoticism waiting to be sprung on innocents ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 18:26 ben_vulpes: i'd been drafting what turned into the charter from very nearly the very beginning; there's no arrangements or agreements that are not covered in the linked document.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 04:55 asciilifeform: it so happens that asciilifeform has purchased a 50% stake in bisp. and specifically with one condition: that mircea_popescu (named, concretely) will not be a back-seat driver there.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 05:23 mod6: Things like, what the bills were, where they need to be sent, who would do what. This kind of thing.
mircea_popescu: for the record http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784603 doesn't actually square with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784318 ; but if you say as ben_vulpes said that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784794 i will believe, as it neither breaks my bones nor picks my pocket. then it'll get enshrined through the passage of time, and then if we later discover it was not factual we're going to have a fine mess on our hands. so
mircea_popescu owns too many things, to the point people are getting confused which cask of amontillado to ship.
phf: i seem to recall that the original request was for FGs, so i was surprised to see pogos in the box, but they then the point was already moot. (box got here on friday, i picked it up saturday afternoon)
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 14:49 danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, the pogos? i sent them and phf has them
phf: there seemed to be some miscommunicaton, because the box that i received only contains pogos. in fact http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784667 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784678 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784730 are at odds with each other
mod6: Well, that was the idea. Maybe not a great one.
mircea_popescu: ah, so are you going to thereby find out ?
mod6: I'm starting to agree that the foundation is not useful.
mircea_popescu: but i think the above is satisfactory.
mircea_popescu: it's what it's for, after all. mod6 you have to appreciate the outside view, "this item existed for x years, never involved itself, now does. why now and not before ?"
mircea_popescu: so basically the idea was to use the foundation as a shield/ralying flag as may be needed.
mod6: So by using the foundation's endowment the idea was here, "the foundation is doing something", as opposed to "mod6 doing something". That was the idea.
mircea_popescu: for the curious : !!subscribe http://pizarroisp.net/?feed=comments-rss2 should do it.\
mircea_popescu digs up how the deedbot rss feed worked
ben_vulpes glad of the questions
mircea_popescu: but they're questions, and no more, barren and not pregnant. "and where did you put the salt" is not "you stole the salt, didn't you".
mircea_popescu: cuz we're of the tribe that believes that a good deal.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 05:10 trinque: so leaving alf aside, when two folks dive on this boondoggle of a business venture to right it, we're going to suspect their methods and forget their long reputations?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784594 << no, not at all. we are however going to ask the difficult questions, so as to spare them future pain at the cost of present embarassment.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 05:04 trinque: I'd say any judgment of how they're doing (at what, a day in?) is premature.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784586 << hey, they got till they last, for sure.
mircea_popescu: but plox say it there!
ben_vulpes: this is for the full contract period, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu is game to continue discussion of isp there, so. we can talk re foundation here. so mod6 certainly not, but then consider point 4 in http://pizarroisp.net/?p=3&cpage=1#comment-3 ; still no ?
mircea_popescu: there we go.
mircea_popescu: "Looks like you tried to comment off a stale page. Reload the article, count to three and try again."
ben_vulpes: actually i betcha i do know, i had to port the comments widgetry to this theme when i mpwpd myself.
ben_vulpes: yaok, i saw a comment earlier. no idea how it got in there.
ben_vulpes: well, i don't quite know what you mean by "stretch capital". republic gotta have an ISP; and it should be able to turn a profit and pay the foundation back. if it fails to do that, it'll be disappointing and i'll probably resign for mismanagement. initially mod6 and i were considering taking the entire venture on through the foundation when asciilifeform offered to match.
mircea_popescu: so the logic mostly went, "whole shit's on fire, gotta do thing x, thing x takes dough, the only available dough is in this piggy, break it" ?