mircea_popescu: in other news, michael cera is like the representative of the 2010s ny hipster doofus
hanbot: <phf> hanbot: and another option is to use this http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UpI9J/?raw=true vpatch, unsigned because i'd like to wait till wednesday to roll all the fixes and cuts together << produced executable, tyvm.
ben_vulpes: mouse traversal territory can now be properly and full time reserved for the engineering/tallypad
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 05:12 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674891 << i've been using that one for a while, with a https://www.amazon.com/CST2545-L-Trac-Wired-Performance-Trackball/dp/B00EEFK5QQ trackball in the middle. i'm pretty happy with that setup. i've figured out how to get the firmware out of the controller, so i'm hoping to customize some of the keys (that are otherwise useless)
ben_vulpes: holy shit phf the trackball you mentioned in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674958 arrived today and the action on this thing is downright sexual
lobbes: BingoBoingo: no guarantees on canonical, but there exists some archives of it (mind the dupes): http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=https%3A%2F%2Fbitcointalk.org%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D124441&sortby=
mod6: No rush, just wanted to put it out there. :] Thanks!
mod6: (Not to be confused with the 10 that Pizarro needs a quote for)
BingoBoingo: Is there a cannonical link for this classic somewhere in the archives rather than the toilet? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0;imode
mircea_popescu: not yet. asciilifeform we gotta get a quote to these folk, what do you figure ?
ben_vulpes: all the fg sitting here are spoken for; did mod6 ever get a quote for the ten or so i wanted?
ben_vulpes: how about we wait until it's online, i'll take your handshake until then
mircea_popescu: o wait, another point : i want 2 fgs into this thing. you dun have fgs do you ?
ben_vulpes: although perhaps i gotta sell it to you as i won't have a spare to fulfill that promise until the next run.
BingoBoingo: AHA, the wonderful world of retail "rent to own contracts" has opened up. ben_vulpes how long do you plan to keep boxes on the balance sheet?
mircea_popescu: so what's the deal here : i pay for a year, at the price of 0.048xxx * 12 / 2 * 1.2 ; at the end of the year i don't own the machine ; but if it breaks down during the year you replace it free of charge to me ?
ben_vulpes: i can give you a pretty steep discount for paying the year up front, but because i'm building out the downline i want to keep the box on the balance sheet. how about a 20% markup on the machine if you pay for the whole year?
mircea_popescu: mno. if you rent it out for 2x what it costs to buy it over a year, then if i pay for the whole year i'm basically spending the same money as if buying the machine, but not actually buying it. this is a bum deal. i'm willing to rent it (ie, monthly) or buy it (ie, own it), but i'm not willing to eat the downside of both approaches.
ben_vulpes: "buy" in the sense of the amortization thread with davout from http://btcbase.org/log/?date=01-07-2013#113889 ?
ben_vulpes: you wanna pay for a year of hardware up front and invoices for rack space as they come due?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: talking about the mb/cpu combo in the abstract, imma nuke it on this machine for certainsure; will update post
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so did you disable the me engine ? or "could be but hasn't been" ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-23 15:34 mircea_popescu: also ben_vulpes : the thinking over at s.mg is that we want a dedicated box for teh server plus a vps for holding the website and such things, so we don't have to eat the whole apache overload on the game server.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785673 << makes sense, i just published the gear Pizarro has for hire immediately. i can either lease you that box *or* a vps on it :\ immediately, but i'll also be running more boxes down in the near future
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-24#1785862 << that's the idea, but __attribute__ is a gcc specific feature. i'd like to have a catalog of such extension because i noticed there's few more here and there
BingoBoingo: Seems to be the case with a lotta 2013 names
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/02/theft-today-djibouti-breaks-contract-seizes-private-port/ << Qntra - Theft Today: Djibouti Breaks Contract Seizes Private Port
BingoBoingo: They area I'm in Pocitos/Buceo barrios were resort towns until the city swallowed them. Most of the other Barrios came into the city similarly as encampments and villages that the city just kind of grew into. Reading into the history here it was a sparsely populated country of men until the 1880's. Then the Italians came.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if it did anything fgor them though, i've not been back
mircea_popescu: local receptionist girly (that's the supreme social achievement for the hairdresser class chickie here, being a doc's receptionist is almost as good as being marriewd to him) at the cima hospital (best in the country!!!) was utterly shocked when my response to her telling me the doctor who was like 10 mins late just called to say he's "on his way" but no specific eta wasn't "ok, ok" but "thast's unfortunate, i have other appo
asciilifeform: phf: your proggy built without eggog here, but then i saw and yes gcc 4.9
BingoBoingo: I've learned local moo cows get a bit more responsive the next time, after walking away from them because you have an appointment to make. Actual appointment not necessary.
mircea_popescu isn't just saying things, to fit in with the crowd or the fashions of his generation or whatever. literally, "help you achieve your goals".
mircea_popescu: unsupportive, eh. well, so sit it somewhere and turn on the timer, what can i tell ya.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Girl has hands and aesthetic judgment?
mircea_popescu: candid means you're in there an' n ot posing for it!
BingoBoingo: AHA http://trilema.com/2014/the-disadvantages-of-living-among-idiots/#footnote_2_52366 and http://trilema.com/2018/mp-at-arenal-2003-2018-caution-steps-in-de-crease/#selection-247.0-247.786
BingoBoingo: I have as well, in addition to the blog writing. Events have been very 2013 part II entonces feel I ought read more 2013 and 2014
mircea_popescu: speaking of fire, http://trilema.com/2013/the-broad-and-the-million-fireants-a-parable/ !!!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> hard sheep makes a life worth living, eh ? << It really does. Who knew getting fired could be such a great thing when the right person does the firing.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in old trilemas, http://trilema.com/2014/the-disadvantages-of-living-among-idiots/
mircea_popescu: a there we go, extern void xalloc_die(void) __attribute__((noreturn));
a111: Logged on 2018-02-24 04:54 phf: also make vdiff `-D_Noreturn=__attribute__\\\((noreturn\\\))' is even better work around, but the combination of shell/makefile seems to pass the parenthesis through on bash but not on zsh...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-24#1785844 << reworking the code so it doesn't rely on the complex macroconstructs not an option ?
mircea_popescu: so the problem of how to alphabetically sort meta-alphabetic signs is not liable to be informed by ancient practice.
mircea_popescu: truth -- the latins were idiots ; nevermind they didn't even have zero in their lol of a numeration system -- they didn't even have commas. or, for that matter, dots. meta-alphabetic notation (such as the dash here that permited me to ~signify~ something about symbol relation) is entirely a post-industrial invention. fuck, the bright minds of alchemy-era mathematics didn't even have =.
mircea_popescu: (for the innocent : a wildcatter is say philiph's character in clemens' "the gilded age", or more generally any guy who sees a mine where no one else does.)
mircea_popescu: !!rate BingoBoingo 4 the gringo wildcatter
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated BingoBoingo 4 at 2016/05/17 03:20:10 << his lordship the lord goebbels.
phf: hanbot: and another option is to use this http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UpI9J/?raw=true vpatch, unsigned because i'd like to wait till wednesday to roll all the fixes and cuts together
phf: also make vdiff `-D_Noreturn=__attribute__\\\((noreturn\\\))' is even better work around, but the combination of shell/makefile seems to pass the parenthesis through on bash but not on zsh...
a111: Logged on 2018-02-23 01:20 hanbot: in today's lols, i go to make the new vdiff, i get http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WoPts/?raw=true
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785630 << so offending attribute is _Noreturn, which is a c11 feature that was only introduced in 4.7. but! i tested with 4.6.4 on freebsd before release, i now also compiled 4.4.3 and it still works. running cpp-4.4 on the file it looks like something in freebsd headers actually replaces _Noreturn with an __attribute__ call that older gcc's support. with a test file with `void _Noreturn foo() {...}' but without any includes,
mircea_popescu: and, in your case, dun let the bedbugs byte,
BigTexasBingo: mircea_popescu used correctly. Me voy a dormir nuevamente. Not often a person can catch a live painsuit in the logs these days.
BigTexasBingo: Then how do you get off Orangeponer
orgndnor: i like to reside privately and peruse the worlds data to form my own assumptions.
mircea_popescu: the funny part isn't that he assumes we're heterosexuals ; but he assumes we know he's male.
BigTexasBingo: All the time
mircea_popescu: orgndnor did your mommy tell you sarcasm is what cucks do while in the cock cage ?
mircea_popescu: the delusion of access is aftert all the fundamental cornerstone of pantsuitism. hence all the inept wank a la lucy, and hence the butthurt gal on day of failure comment section
mircea_popescu: trinque the fundamental problem is that it's really unfair you'd listen to one but not another. how could this be! ALL THINGS ARE THE SAME THING etc
orgndnor: seeing as how this is the "serene" republic? most?
orgndnor: wsup = hood english transliterates to: "what is up" hence defining a query as to the current subject relevant
BigTexasBingo: And I need an answer on what is wsup, and how does it connect to hair theory.
orgndnor: the way of the future isn't through bitcoin, sirs; blockchain, maybe, but crypto? pipe dream!
mircea_popescu: try and understand that taking refuge in a string of nouns after having pointed out to you that most people will just discard out of hand strings of epithets as pure painstuitola isn't the best of strategies.
orgndnor: you know goddamn well what te intention is with the wsup vernacular
mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care, either.
orgndnor: whats the goal man?
trinque: check out the walmart discount persona on this guy
orgndnor: hows the digital beanie babies, bros?
orgndnor: i guess lock down til the fuedalists return
orgndnor: well, i've read a lot of material. most of the available logs, monsiuer p's blogs...
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-21#1785459 << incidentally, this doc has been very useful thus far in illuminating my own naivete. Spent the last coupla days just learning ultra-basics of, e.g. hash preimage, second preimage, and collision resistance. Hell, I even had to look up simple big O notation. I am, however, learning it, at least. "One day at a time"
a111: Logged on 2018-02-23 14:52 mircea_popescu: and as to the final thing : the whole idea of the archive item (which lobbes asked for and i very much doubt he realised at the time what an immense item it is) is to RECONSTRUCT the poorly designed "web" into proper structure. hence the merkle tree discussions and so on. so very much yes, eventually we'll be using a proper republican accessing scheme.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty linked on the WOT:nonperson text
mod6 is drinking a bottle of water after snow-removal. am quite stunned it doesn't say "Gluten Free" on the bottle.
BingoBoingo baking post for other blawg nao
BingoBoingo: Seriously. Who could have know so abjectly little would happen between Summer 2017 and the first half of February 2018
BingoBoingo: Anyways it seems like Qntra returned just in time to shit to start happening again. Just now the stakes and pantsuit stanks are higher.
BingoBoingo: ^ In other http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/#selection-193.97-193.392
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 14:34 mp_en_viaje: so no, protected mode hasn;'t become because it offered. the pantsuit decided it must be, and therefore prevented the non-mongoloid child from offering.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, if this tree is orphaned for whatever reason (such as someone regrinding some chunk that includes portions downstream from minigame's press point), the prevailing of that regrind is ~actually~ based on proper social behaviours. it must have been supported by minigame too, to have prevailed ; or else minigame's agency must have been indeed so insignificant as to warrant some serious self-examination there.
mircea_popescu: for as long as this tree is built upon, the VERY FACT that it is built upon guarantees minigame that it will ALWAYS be able to build its prerequisites. because in being older they come earlier in the press, so you just stop sooner.
mircea_popescu: so suppose today minigame calls eucrypt complete, and proceeds to build upon it. suppose later, for whatever reason, something useful is added to the tree (say the elastic hash item -- as it happens there can be decent arguments had both pro and against including what's really not that cryptographic an useful item).
mircea_popescu: anyway, at the risk of boring the more advanced minds, let us take this opportunity to harp on the perfection that is the v model.
mircea_popescu: yeah, get a rack with meathooks in there too, will double as punishment room jus' fine
mircea_popescu: it's this huge, taller-than-person, double-door purely usian abomination unknown in these lands. i just opened it and the act apparently upsed the clever packing scheme used because i ended up covered in items.
mircea_popescu: in other sad news, i need a new fridge ;/
a111: Logged on 2018-02-23 16:03 BingoBoingo: One benefit of prolongued Republican exposure: Every now and then you come across a coy newsy thing that dances around a fact, when the fact really should have been the headline.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785703 << some discoveries re the idiocy of the enemy are so astonishingly, riotously vexing of the very imagination, that they are difficult to believe. like the time that an ex-nsa-grunt stuck sharing an oar with asciilifeform on a slavegalley, insisted that usg until late obummer reign did not have a canonical Official implementation of rsa, and that when such was finally ratified , it was from a
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know what they say, a tendency to bury the lede in journalism is not unlike a tendency to spread legs in a convent : sure signs one does not actually belong there.
mircea_popescu: ima waste all the dozens of bytes at a time i feel like, holy hell "install disc". TO INSTALL AN X THAT CRASHES ALL CLIENTS.
asciilifeform: it is difficult to talk about waste, aha, given what is on the box already..
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with two separate utilities built on the same lib exposing different edges. "wasteful" but in a veheheheeeery theoretical sense, when compared to 10mb webpages.
asciilifeform: that part makes sense. but conceptually they're different ops. and could even live inside same binary but invoked variantly to simulate being different ones, a la busybox say.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, if unix philosophy were anymore than 15yos notions that "that's it, now i understand women!" they very much would be.
mircea_popescu: the reason they're lib'd together (in say eucrypt) is rather the fact that they require similar standards of care.
asciilifeform: the job of decoding a rsaoid and getting a hash, and the job of hashing a 100GB thing and getting the orig hash to compare to, as part of verifying a sig, are conceptually quite separate. really oughta be separate proggies, per 'unix philosophy' or even any reasonable successor to it
a111: Logged on 2018-02-23 15:45 mod6: I was thinking lsat night about my version of V in Ada, and am using shellouts there for the gpg related things. even with an integrated FFA, still need to add in an integrated Keccac from s.mg - those two I can work around. Others might be harder than it sounds.
BingoBoingo: One benefit of prolongued Republican exposure: Every now and then you come across a coy newsy thing that dances around a fact, when the fact really should have been the headline.
mod6: brb, gotta remove the snow here quick.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, i don't think shellouts PER SE are a bad idea, or the wrong thing, or untenable. much like the notion of building houses WITH DOORS isn't in itself problematic. now, what gets in through those holes, well...
mod6: I was thinking lsat night about my version of V in Ada, and am using shellouts there for the gpg related things. even with an integrated FFA, still need to add in an integrated Keccac from s.mg - those two I can work around. Others might be harder than it sounds.
mircea_popescu: of course, the converse view (that complexity is alreadyu added the moment you shellout to them) also holds some water.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> something like "shellouts marked for extinction anyway, no point building on them" ? << and this, yes.
mod6: Well... I'm worried that if start to try to pin down all of the versions and their hashes, it just adds a bunch of complexity.
mircea_popescu: something like "shellouts marked for extinction anyway, no point building on them" ?
mod6: mircea_popescu: I see your point re-hashes, might be something to consider in the future. Been avoiding painting myself into a corner with the prototype.
mircea_popescu: and obviously calling it "a list" of hashes is just another playful reference to teh prior discussion. lel.
mircea_popescu: then you could just keep a list of these and people ~would know~ when it is useful to report their runs.
mircea_popescu: i'd take it one step further and : mod6 do you think it might be a good idea to actually include hashes ?
trinque: ah I have no idea if there actually is one without /tmp, but I get where the guy's mistrust comes from.
mircea_popescu: also ben_vulpes : the thinking over at s.mg is that we want a dedicated box for teh server plus a vps for holding the website and such things, so we don't have to eat the whole apache overload on the game server.
trinque: at first I said to myself "what unix ships without /tmp", and then I get to 0x04 and what can I say. "ship completely useless" indeed.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-21 18:48 mircea_popescu: normally i'd have alf explain it to you ; but he's busy. so what i want you to do is write a blog article about "how to use merkle trees to avoid duplicate problem in web page archiving", and then i'll comment on it.
mod6: TMSR~ : Here's the V 99993 Release email : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-February/000290.html
mircea_popescu: that's the only item conceivably still needed.
mircea_popescu: and as to the final thing : the whole idea of the archive item (which lobbes asked for and i very much doubt he realised at the time what an immense item it is) is to RECONSTRUCT the poorly designed "web" into proper structure. hence the merkle tree discussions and so on. so very much yes, eventually we'll be using a proper republican accessing scheme.
mircea_popescu: and as to the selection : i just tried ctrl^ and it worked fine. IN NANO.
mircea_popescu: that's the fucking problem, x is "mature" rather than the abstract joke it was in the 90s, yet it STILL doesn't handle the most basic of things. which is -- just fucking rebind the pipes holy hell wtf, sigpipe is an acceptable behaviour now ?!
a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 21:42 phf: we also at some point had a thread, where i believe ascii but also others were leaning towards the idea of a single file vpatches (i.e. that a vpatch should only ever contain hunks for a single file). i'm starting to think that multi-file solutions in general are a hack ("we can't fit the entire compilation in memory"), but then i've been looking at TeX on one hand, and the "millions of support files" in diff/patch on the other
spyked: there's another thing, though I still have to get up to date on http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hypertext : teh Trilema JS is trying to solve what seems to be a limitation in the current URI scheme. the "resource" in URI refers to documents/pages (files!), whereas we want to (and it would be useful to be able to) link to subtrees in the document.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-22 23:34 mircea_popescu: and also, why the fuck would text browser lack highlighting. how's it supposed to even work.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-22#1785621 <-- ugh, my engrish; of course, by "highlighting" I mean "text selection", which is a GUI thing, and w3m and lynx/links seem to lack it altogether. now, scrolling they don't lack, but the js bit still doesn't implement window.scroll. anyway, let's consider the fact that text editors implement both selection and scrolling (and possibly other features useful for a browser), so a stripped-down text
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-22#1785620 <-- X11 implementation of client-server model is broken (in more than one way), X clients could in principle recover from this condition, but they don't.
mircea_popescu: phf so what is the call on republican alphabetic order ? "all strings are made of bytes and the byte order is the alphabetic order" ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-23 01:20 hanbot: in today's lols, i go to make the new vdiff, i get http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WoPts/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: besideswhich : the "soft consensus" as to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781846 "is no good" has no actual backing ; and i strongly suspect you couldn't actually explain to me what exactly is wrong with either cpu or motherboard. well...
mircea_popescu: meanwhile being able to authoritatively answer "buy X, not Y" is very valuable, because unlike the above scenario, where time you expend actually dampens republican affairs (as for every dT you put in, everyone has to put in some d'T as well), this on the contrary leverages : for every dT you put in, everyone DOESN'T have to put in some d''T.
mircea_popescu: as in any case the E' will have to be resolved by recourse to the forum, and as b) is not all that insignificant, the dT investment is a poor usage of your limited T resource.
mircea_popescu: then later, events E that fall within W will take (putatively) less time to resolve than events E' that fall within the epsilon ; however a) the probability of E'/E is not equal to the factor R/epsilon (but worse) and b) all this requires people actually read W, which is a cost (leaving aside how it's also something some won't pay).
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes to explain what i mean : there's some reality the contract handles (R) and some actual wording of the contract W. the delta R-W can be brought under an arbitrary value epsilon, but not to zero. the delta epsilon translates in a delta time dT you have to pour into the wringing of this allignment.
shinohai: II removed the error message thingy and works fine for me now, nothing: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3MUUj/?raw=true
hanbot: in today's lols, i go to make the new vdiff, i get http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WoPts/?raw=true
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !~later tell loren good idea to get your key in wot anyway ; otherwise the eventual "loren" will still be a day old item
mircea_popescu: mod6 it is incorrect to start with the pie-in-sky "own os" though. it is instead correct to start with a catalogue of usable if unideal extants.
mircea_popescu: and also, why the fuck would text browser lack highlighting. how's it supposed to even work.
trinque: nah, idea is that "this is the *correct* kernel config for particular machine M"
mod6: Not sure of those are altogether interesting. But if they are, can throw them somewhere for review.
trinque: mod6: contributed kernel configs for good hardware (goes right along with the republic's recommended hardware list) are wanted
spyked: shinohai, my guess so far is that text browsers completely lack window interaction (e.g. scrolling, text highlighting), so they can't do the Trilema bits. but I want to be able to give a proper answer, which requires a bit of debugging.
mod6: I'd love to see others step up and work through that as well.
mod6: yup, i recall. thanks for posting that. I need to go through the steps myself. maybe can do here in the next couple of weeks.
trinque: mod6: finished item's sitting on my blog, waiting for others to test
mod6: trinque: (and others) let's circle back around and catch up cuntoo sometime in early march.
spyked: hi shinohai. I compiled it and ran it, but running trilema js still doesn't work. I've also tried a few other browsers with similar results. I am trying some simpler js snippets to get an idea of what works and what not
spyked: yw! (also, ty for the release!)
mod6: hey spyked, thanks for testing & the report back.
spyked: hey mod6, I just checked v99993 using ffa ch1-5 and also used it to test a press of phf's vtools and it works fine. NB: Debian systems are now pretty much broken and won't allow setting the default gpg to v1, so I had to manually replace the gpg calls in v.pl to use gpg1.
mod6: Loren: That's the best approach, happy to see that. Stop back if you have Q's.
Loren: I just read the declaration of sovereignty. I found it very interesting, but I'm leaving because I have nothing interesting to say. I've to read the logs first.
shinohai: and phf's diff + ur vtron passed a personal vtest 2gether as well
mod6: Lords and Ladies of TMSR~, I am happy to announce the release of my V : version 99993 K. The tarball has been posted to the website http://thebitcoin.foundation : Also, take note, the trb-howto guide linked on The Foundation website has also been updated.
mod6: jurov: I sent an email to the ML, but isn't showing up. I can confirm that the clearsigned data verifies on my end.
mod6: 3) Pizarro to signoff on 2U reserved for The Foundation.
mod6: I suppose, if we could get the following commitments: 1) Someone in L1 (L2?) to source two new machines [with equiv specs] for The Foundation, delivered to ben_vulpes March 31st. 2) A delivery plan for these two new machines to Pizaroo in .uy.
ben_vulpes: mk then
mod6: I think the foundation should avoid this sale.
mod6: The goal for the Foundation is to get 2, 1U rack spaces for machines to host trb + webhost/mirror.
ben_vulpes: i've got a pretty cut-and-dried cost basis for those two machines. it'll look like an line expense for the machines and hardware, followed by a line of income for sale-of-assets matching to the satoshi, plus possibly a token fee to the foundation for assembling them.
mod6: Feels like it'd be hairy. Although, I can see the possible necessity. If I can be convinced that the accounting will be simple and straightforward for the public, I'll consider it more.
mod6: There may be some accounting considerations.
mod6: Well, first off, those are The Foundation's assets.
ben_vulpes: hey mod6 if there's demand for boxes, would you be averse to selling the machines we got for the foundation to pizarro for leasing on? we can always get another couple of machines, it's not as though the two we bought for the foundation are super important to get racked right now; i'm sure other folks might be willing to rent 'em out and that'd be a great thing for pizarro's cashflow
ben_vulpes: i have one machine that's about to come out of the crate that i'll detail on the blog; i'd intended it for vpsen but would also be happy to lease it entire.
ben_vulpes: not yet, still wrapping up the first courier run. when you say gearlist, you mean "machines Pizarro is buying and will lease out"?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-19 14:57 mircea_popescu: then the corresponding can also be implemented (l1 can have any blog added). vaguely curious as to results.
trinque: there ya go
ben_vulpes: trinque: can i get the pizarro website's rss feed added to deedbot?
mircea_popescu: mostly amusing for the "someone somewhere is actually still trying to push this "latest version" wank".
mod6: Alright, fixed. Link is the same as before: http://www.mod6.net/pizarro/pizarro_charter_genesis.vpatch.mod6.sig
mod6: then it dawned on me.
mod6: this time i was like "WAT?!", but then i was like "ok, MOST of the time this thing is correct if it's complaining, I must have did something wrong... but what could it be?!"
mod6: Ah crap. Disregard this ^ -- I screwed up and created a detached sig of the charter.txt proper, not the vpatch. hurr durr.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-22 01:00 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-22#1785473 << thanks for fast testing! the warning is harmless, i frankly got desensitized to it, and it slipped through the cracks. the entire error.c needs to be cut anyway, but it's a low hanging fruit
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-22#1785472 <- I confirm it pressed fine + it vdiffed eucrypt's chapter 11 files as expected - with the difference in order of files as your post clearly states; for anybody interested, see ^ for the diff of the 2 vpatches
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes http://trilema.com/2017/the-boundless-burden/ ?
deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/why-are-the-kids-hell-bent-on-killing-each-other << CH - Why are the kids hell-bent on killing each other?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what's the trilema where you do the math on variance in abilities between the sexes?
ben_vulpes: btcvixen: can't even afford an irc client that stays connected all the time, can you
mircea_popescu: it's like a better romania of the 90s.
mircea_popescu: oh, and also, the police here utterly don't gaf. car doing 150 in an 80 zone, highway patrol right there, couldn't be arsed.
ben_vulpes would dearly like to arbitrarily hie to the beach
mod6: If anyone is curious what the sha512s are for those vpatches & sigs I used in my latest test, they are here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vV3ti/?raw=true
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-22#1785473 << thanks for fast testing! the warning is harmless, i frankly got desensitized to it, and it slipped through the cracks. the entire error.c needs to be cut anyway, but it's a low hanging fruit
mod6: again, uber simple, i encourage everyone out there to test with wider testcases ofc.
mod6: fwiw I used that binary produced, even with the error, to test and see if it would yield the same vdiff as the original would, and so far, looks like it works just the same as printed on the box. I don't have as good of a test case as hanbot will have tho. Mine was very basic.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/21/the-hostel-as-home/ << Bingo Blog - The Hostel As Home
mircea_popescu: phf is the search brokened ?
lobbes: mircea_popescu: aha. Other than the subj. popping up in logs occasionally and my looking it up I really don't have a firm grasp on merkle trees. I will happily digest and produce blog post once completed with homework.
mircea_popescu: normally i'd have alf explain it to you ; but he's busy. so what i want you to do is write a blog article about "how to use merkle trees to avoid duplicate problem in web page archiving", and then i'll comment on it.
mircea_popescu: the only sane way to go about his is to do poor man's (rather, "artificially intelligent") document ASTs in the shape of merkle trees of all their contents.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-21 17:59 lobbes: Phew, been thinking through this archive download process the past few weeks. For one, I realized that I needed to do -some- type of "deduping" on the contents of each zip I've downloaded. Ended up building a process that hashes the hashes of each file in each zip. Identified some 30k dupes this way. Currently building the front-end queries to show only distinct results in searches.
lobbes: This exercise lead me to think about many other small but important details regarding how download requests will work. I'ma thinking I ought to bake a blog post for general input
lobbes: Phew, been thinking through this archive download process the past few weeks. For one, I realized that I needed to do -some- type of "deduping" on the contents of each zip I've downloaded. Ended up building a process that hashes the hashes of each file in each zip. Identified some 30k dupes this way. Currently building the front-end queries to show only distinct results in searches.
shinohai: I had to screenshot this because protected tweets, but wanted to preserve the lulz: https://imgur.com/a/y6YoK
mircea_popescu: because pantsuit can't breathe if not pantsuiting.
mircea_popescu: asshats failed to admit they failed, declared "you" winner.
mircea_popescu: you recall, they tried to do online poll, 4chan owned it, made m00t person of the year
mod6: <+shinohai> Did you have a Big blue Ox too? << would have been better to ride an ox than fight through all the Tucson stoplights. But, no, sadly.
mod6: Ah, that was a different cover. I guess in 2009 it was "Person of the Year". Seriously. Person. Of. The. Year.
mod6: The Bernak had just bailed out the banks. I remember some Time Magazine cover "The Hero." Or some such nonsense, scary stuff.
mod6: I had remembered reading about that in there, probably in like 99 or 2000. This was eight years later. I knew though, once it was a thing, then I had to get involved.
mod6: Wasn't actually too much later I was walkin down the street in Tucson thinking... "I wonder when someone is going to make a currency out of cryptography like Schneier was talking about in Applied Crypto.."
asciilifeform eaten the quite compact l0gz
asciilifeform: aa i'll make one, np. it's ugly tho. still massaging out the process.
mircea_popescu: the chess clock & corkboard you're using to schedule&timekeep
mod6: Not like the trees up in MN.
mod6: Shit is like razor wire or something. And what's worse, is they're a sort of locust style tree -- and when they have leaves on 'em shit sticks together like velcro.
mod6: Umm no. Those mesquite trees and palo verde trees have NASTY barbs on them. After cutting down 1 mesquite tree it looked like I got into a fight with a wolverine.
mod6: some days though, i really do miss running the chainsaw and the smell - the trees, the gasoline
mod6: java 8, fixes your shit, fucks your wife, pays your bills, disciplines your kids. all part of the thing dontchaknow.
mod6: Same guy also told me, "Yeah, there are some performance problems... but we're gonna switch to java 8, so that should take care of it."
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: there was also an ad for some kind of novel pharmacofinelyspunhydrocarbon for the sexually-active-but-wanting-to-not-catch-teh-HIV (which, excuse me darling, why are they advertising us aidsmeds on the craplet) that was 30% vertical space for ad and 70% vertical space dedicated to a slow-scroll of finetext with i shit thee not buttons that had triggerable down and up states but *did not affect the scrolling*
mircea_popescu: but yes, things went downhill from the 80s when chet diagnosed her rare eye condition / located specialist via gopher to today.
ben_vulpes: god damn the whole internet is garbage. last night i was idly looking into long-term synovial fluid health (surprise: webmd is useless and all that google will return results for i wonder why) and found several webshites that while scrolling would arbitrarily jump the page an inch or so at specific points the reasoning for which i could not determine
ben_vulpes: they want to hire someone kink friendly if you can imagine that
mircea_popescu: why, you think the herd'd be worth it ?
mircea_popescu: well so log and see if they're trying to hire you too
BingoBoingo: Ah, that. Still quite a few of the 5 hour a year crowd too.
shinohai: I agree. my trb node runs on very old compaq which is actually far superior. I played Eulora on it when I first started (using ssh -X !) because the keyboard is long borked.
mircea_popescu: for a coupla hours five times a year, such participation as'd befit the bad name his culture got.
mircea_popescu: surfer beach, you know, miles of perfect ocean, some dudes hanging around, *ping* there's us consumertard in his house pants, chips crumbs in his lap, "o hey dudes, how's the surf ? hurr durr" half hour later, *ping* he's disappeared, with the firm notion that he "participated" in "surfer culture"
mircea_popescu: hurr durr, if the soccer mom / couch dad could possibly do this irl, they'd totally teleport various places while seated in their livingroom couch.
mircea_popescu: no but i mean the fucking lameness of it. dood's got a "well rounded internet experience", he's got a mortgage and a boring wife and a boring job and a hp he bought at the store, and he "logs in" for a coupla hours four times a week or w/e. every nine weeks and a half we pop up again in the rotation, he's done 4chan, reddit, facebook, whatever, "i wonder what THOSE zany kids are up to these days".