ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:53:52 mod6: I would like to see trb carry-on indeed. Now, perhaps, more than ever, is needed as a check against wild shitcoiners out there.
mp_en_viaje: stop confusing cause and effect, stop looking up the wrong name server roots, stop minimaxing randomly about, it's the stuff of insanity.
mp_en_viaje: the shit you do isn't ~the basis~ for outreach. outreach is the basis for the shit you do, which is why and wherefore you've been productive since the republic and depressed prior.
mp_en_viaje: meh, i'd have linked the "oh, nobody reads these" plaintive from before, including with the very nice article if yielded on diana_coman 's site, but of coruse one too old the other not routable, what can i do.
mp_en_viaje: everything you do, each day, is meaningless and stays meaningless. you even understand this yourself, in [][a different compartment] of the stupid head.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:52:11 asciilifeform: imho these are the fundamentals, without which all other adventures pertaining to trb (e.g. propaganda) are meaningless.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942907 << the EXACT other way around.
mp_en_viaje: no foundation, no business, there may be a MINOR place for castrated bois on the farm, but it's in the barn not in the house.
mp_en_viaje: attempts to re-approach this without addressing the central fucking problem will result in what pantsuitism always results in -- ima fucking cut the involved heads and move on.
mp_en_viaje: this ground was covered already, and in the exact terminology, of "your whole relevancy to this space is my say so, you've built nothing out of it, and if tomorrow i do not say you do not fucking exist, idiots".
mp_en_viaje: they sat on ass and sucked each other dicks about how important they are for bitcoin "Because mp says so" while bitcoin went exactly by them, like all other plowing flies. but like EXACTLY.
mp_en_viaje: this -- was not said, then. don't fucking cpome to me with your insulting infantile narrative bullshit today, as if i've fucking forgotten,.
mp_en_viaje: yes, it'd have been perfectly fine to say, YEAR+ AGO WHEN THIS CAME UP, "well mp, maybe we don't do other things, but we have a donations program that's growing an average 0.2% per month, predicated on building trb nodes, which we do built, at the rate of ~one per quarter".
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:47:31 asciilifeform: incidentally i dun agree w/ mp's verdict that tbf is somehow broken (aside from 1 of the 2 chairs having gone awol.) charter reads, clearly, 'This charter establishes the existence of a virtual organization whose mission is to maintain the Bitcoin reference implementation.' this was carried out .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 19:15:27 asciilifeform: will put in l0gz, ftr : the only nodes that gave >100 blox of the 46115 :
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:51:32 asciilifeform: nao asciilifeform is no one in tbf. but will be sad if it comes to be the case that there is no tbf to fund emplacements of noades, curation of the ref. trb (incl. mod6's very fine build system) .
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942906 << don't be an idiot, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932784 ; not to even look into "oh but mp, foundation didn't actually have to do anything, as per my inept read of its charter" lulz. what, it says "emplace noads" in there now ?
mp_en_viaje: if the thing dun work -- you've not been working, there's no subjective-standard basis for arguing this, "oh look how much i sweated" or anything like that. shit gotta work for activity to be called work.
mp_en_viaje: this aren't fucking onorifics, i dunno how to put it in some form comprehensible to the morgraine fans. these are opportunities to do work. "doing something" is not doing work.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942903 << because he has exactly none of the skillsets involved in running anything even remotely like a useful foundation, and no interest in acquiring them (or perhaps no capacity for acquiring them) as proven by years of practical measurements.
mp_en_viaje: (btw : Fayetteville State University is 2/3 female, and worst crime rate in the state. because that's what happens when you mix inclusivity with female-friendliness, you build a rape shack.)
mp_en_viaje: ing, and the studies and exercises directed to the cultivation and enlargement of the mind: Its object, to qualify its students for personal success, and direct usefulness in life; And its purposes, to promote the public welfare by exercising an influence in behalf of humanity and civilization, teaching the blessings of liberty regulated by law, and inculcating love and reverence for the great principles of government as derived fro
mp_en_viaje: you know what stanford's charter is ? here : "First, the Nature, Object, and Purposes of the Institution Hereby Founded, to Be: Its nature, that of a university with such seminaries of learning as shall make it of the highest grade, including mechanical institutes, museums, galleries of art, laboratories, and conservatories, together with all things necessary for the study of agriculture in all its branches, and for mechanical train
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:48:21 asciilifeform: there is nuffin in the charter regarding e.g. carrying out propaganda, or even the building of noades. (tho both imho are Right Thing)
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942902 << foundation charters are drawn narrow to permit them to do fucking work. arguing "o look, copy of some bits on my pc in mom's basement means foundation exists, (and so does morgraine, my favourite comics character)!!" is childish at best.
mp_en_viaje: but no, it's not actually in breach of its charter. it's just fucking dead inthe water, what.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:47:31 asciilifeform: incidentally i dun agree w/ mp's verdict that tbf is somehow broken (aside from 1 of the 2 chairs having gone awol.) charter reads, clearly, 'This charter establishes the existence of a virtual organization whose mission is to maintain the Bitcoin reference implementation.' this was carried out .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 13:54:38 mp_en_viaje: the end result of "null-routed ip space for half a day whenever someone decides to spend 10 bux on '''ddos'''" is reproducible via 50 dubaloos/month in hand of any rando nobody/scammer off sitepoint forums ; no need to buy whole c blocks if they just null-route by the c-block like inconceivably cheeky b
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942876 >> pity you didn't documnt this at the time, it'd have made great reference point here, instead of vague nothings.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:18:06 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd rather not put those on a heathen hoster, but let's ask the affected folx 1st.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:17:35 asciilifeform: mod6: currently i'm thinking, we do not need 'liquidator' a la bbet. we, ourselves, can properly play the orchestra as the ship goes down.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942858 << liquidators become necessary if there's open conflict among principals. not seems to be the case.
mp_en_viaje: but in any case i'd say it's immoral to give the latechco idiots more money ; and stupid to burn good money chasing out imaginary obligations according to idiots.
mp_en_viaje: they can suck it up and like it very much, or else drop the "corporate policy" and start sucking cock, whatever comes first.
mp_en_viaje: the moral being that contrary to what the pantsuit dweebery dept may be trying (and occasionally succeeding) in imprinting upon midwestern helicopter moms, the recourse of 3 ring binder corp putting forth claims upon its failure to service contracts is exactly nil.
mp_en_viaje: i still have somewhere in the basement all of their gear, which i have no intention of returning ; for their side they sent however many REALLY IMPORTANT notices, then started sms-ing the phone about imaginary "court cases" and then started offering "settlements". and then nfi, i hadn't followed, the humor value ran thin.
mp_en_viaje: be that as it may : one particularly inept internet provider in costa rica (whom i suspect by now is just a local-dressup verizon or coxco or somesuch rural midwestern bs) failed to deliver to spec ; were warned to either immediately remedy or else (which they ignored) ; were ordered to close the contract (which they claimed they did) ; sent a further bill, which was returned with lolz (they responded by pointing out that contract c
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:11:45 asciilifeform: mod6: since BingoBoingo apparently wishes to stay in uruguayistan, gotta cleanly nuke the contract.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:10:14 BingoBoingo: On some level once the auditions to see if any lawyers are hungrier than present counsel are concluded, if a suit isn't feasible counsel may be necessary to cleanly send the contract to /dev/null should latecho get combative
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942843 << combative doing what the fuck exactly ? you owe no property, as far as i recall didn't even manage incorporating an actual business. they'll what, send some pichi to wait by your door and "por favor, una moneda por latechco" every time you go in or out ?
mp_en_viaje: at which point it's "the priests".
mp_en_viaje: its that every single fucking item in your life is this exercise in imaginary minimaxing, the burning sulphur and frogs rain outside is "not too bad" but the vcr clock not being set is "intolerable and requires your immediate attention" and so in this vein until the three legged half-sphere cows come home.
mp_en_viaje: it's not JUST that you fucked up your most recent venture by brushing hair while the barn burned.
mp_en_viaje: nage into the ground...
mp_en_viaje: just how, HOW the fuck does the noggin work on your shoulders, dude ? you think paying a coupla grand a month for dc pipe is maxint while you think dc hardware you carried through customs at great expense and is locally irreplaceable has no resale value, you think lawyers will be cheap while you don't pay lawyers that were cheap, you think lawyers could help you but lawyers with proven track record of helping you ~screamingly~ misma
mp_en_viaje: i seem to recall this other attorney that didn't charge megabux (in fact, like a hundy or so per month) that i've surprise-discovered in your wake and on which you've been owin me for like a year now. i'm starting to think it'll get discharged "for cost of postage" also, just as soon as i'm ready ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:08:07 asciilifeform: mod6: orc attourneys i suspect dun charge megabux. but imho worth to find what'd cost. perhaps even 1 would work on contingency, and then only costs to feed BingoBoingo .
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942837 << motherfucker how does that brain work ?
mp_en_viaje: i can't conceive why the fuck you'd not get 50% over list value merely for the thing being in uy already.
mp_en_viaje: and the premium was something insane like 150-200% half the time. not to mentio nthe conditions mindblowing -- three week delays "perfectly acceptable, no refunds need be offered" on items promised for overnight delivery etc.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942824 << really ?! whenever i needed something there, it was either at a premium on their local shitlist (mercado something) or else (more commonly) not even available, had to be courriered in.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 20:37:02 asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mod6 you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is owed and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit.
mp_en_viaje: but, the feelings of idiots should be hurt as a matter of course.
mp_en_viaje: this makes one feel great when "it works", but experimentally it almost never does anything -- hurts their feelings if they were going to pay anyway, and otherwise god himself can't squeeze blood out of stone.
mp_en_viaje: could be a good idea for isps of the future to keep ~weight~ accouintancy as well. you never know.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 20:06:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try to get the machines out. errything else after. don't break yer back tho.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942779 << what sorta weight did you have there after all ? in excess of 100kgs is it ?
mp_en_viaje: the true disadvantage of old age is that the spring outside's never the spring you befriended, and knew.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 18:32:02 asciilifeform: 'lately spring broke, from cold, / like from prison, once more, / by mistake once i let out a word: / 'friend, leave a little to smoke!' / silence -- was all i heard, as he never returned from the war.'
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942759 << "A spring broke loose today, from frost like from jail. In the confusion I called out -- "old friend, leave the smoke!". But the answer came silent, as yesterday's spring never returned from the war. " rather.
mp_en_viaje: then of course the fantasy becomes unsustainable once school starts, so they acquire as a bonus on the side all the desocialization brought by being morosely aloof and ineptly derpy instead of vital. and from there on... you got pretty much the whole enchilada, aged 10 or so the boi's already useless, THROUGH TRAINING. and will likely stay useless his whole lfie.
mp_en_viaje: rather than "it's something in the water" etc. the wankasteries are built by overgrown bois who were permitted to live as uninterruptedly as they pleased, age 4.5 to 7ish.
mp_en_viaje: in fact, i currently suspect the principal avenue through which the marginally retarded / autistic "engineer" bois of contemporaneity are built is through parents ineptly failing to recognize these children's preference for non-interrupting as a disease symptom, and catering to it.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942736 << it's approx what i do. though still interrupted, which is the principal function of the harem in fact. but i'll point out that it is fallacy of naive linear extension to imagine "3, 4, 10, 100 days" works quite like that. yes uninterrupted slots are good, but not experimentaly useful past a few hours. yes the knowledge, certified by experience, that "can get back to this wh
mp_en_viaje: training is making the kitty do what she doesn't do, not what she was waiting to do all along.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:34:46 asciilifeform: they were thought to be untrainable. but turned out that erry cat had a performance that he's willingly do. was matter of finding.
ossabot: Logged on 2016-05-04 10:59:33 mircea_popescu: how did that george costanza quote go, "but mr tuttle, consider i'm in the smaller office!"
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942715 << i was thinking exactly that, incidentally. this picture in my mind of orc-borg assembly, perceiving readily the problem with the hole in elevator wall. it is CLEAR what it is, so need to fix is perceived etc.
diana_coman: so far they failed spectacularly in my books, what can I say; malaysians might do better.
diana_coman: I suppose next time I'm in Bucharest, if I *really* have nothing to do, I'll go and visit data centre, make them call one another until the room is full and keep them going blink-blink
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other lulz, https://www.delcotimes.com ; 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons, the web went exactly where you'd expect.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943109 - fwiw, I *did* tell them what I wanted, specifically; that's when they went blink-blink-blink and then... do you need gpu?
mp_en_viaje: and the whole delco assemblage for it seems to be a single internally represented bit. whether he feels like he can do it / it could be done / should be done / the priests approve, nfi.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942714 << yes, he's a 2-takt engine, dither and do. in the do phase he's pretty good, but in the dither phase he's phenomenal.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:27:16 asciilifeform: in piz tower pushed what looked like button in the lift, it fell N stories down, and hole -- razor-sharp
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:26:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems like 9000x greater concern for their (indeed mirror-smooth, i nearly slipped on it) marble floor , than for working dc!!
mp_en_viaje: considering they're all fucking glorified floor washers...
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:23:34 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently they don't want wheels scuffing up the floors of the lobby, hence have to use service entrance
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:14:15 diana_coman: but no, they called 3 dudes to talk to me and still can't get over this outlandish idea that I do.not.want.to.make.account.with.them
mp_en_viaje: "sure, most people specializing in serving breakfast for a fee can produce omlets in about ten minutes. but they start with a ready kitchen, which already contains eg eggs"
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942688 << yes, we are saying the same thing here. "insane" as in extremely large, "nine months is an insane interval to make an omlet". "well... first i gotta find a chicken"
mp_en_viaje: (this is a literalism : it is likely caesar's original target, to "plunder something and get out of debt" was dacia not gaul ; but dacia too strong for him at the time)
mp_en_viaje: which worked ok for them, historically : they started the game ~same century as germany, and have bucharest to show for it.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942670 << because http://trilema.com/2011/webfactor-procedurile-si-idiotenia/ ; and because many numerous such detailed in detail back when i wrote in romanian. things might've changed in the intervening years, though i do not have any faith in the tards. seems the only true capacity of the romanian is for the above "ima just sit here doing what i'm doing and wait for everyone to get
mp_en_viaje: i don't expect they will, but why not match idiocy with idiocy ? every time they send an ill thought out, wetware-shannonized piece of idiocy about how "hey, would you like to be a twerking wigger slave on my internet lulzcow farm" ??? you send one right back.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:23:40 diana_coman: I suppose I'm so outside of their corporation worksheet that they just blink for 4 minutes and reset to next point on the checklist
diana_coman: re their handling of inboxes, my best explanations is http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942700
diana_coman: for extra lulz had some swiss guys too: I asked them 4 questions even numbered; they took 1 day to come back with a reply that sort-of and without referencing, covered maybe 2; I replied and pointed out that an aswer that doesn't answer makes for funny reading so will they answer questions 1 and 4 now? they came back answering only 1.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, maybe the right move here is to construct a little counter, you know ? "i'd like to use your services, this is what you have to do".
mp_en_viaje: just that, no more, merely repeated over and over AND OVER again. who knows, maybe if you ask the same dumb question enough times the answer changes/
mp_en_viaje: this is what they do, what they all do : "hey, would you like to be a twerking wigger slave on my internet lulzcow farm" ???
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 16:44:01 diana_coman: I got to the point where I'm firing them emails ~ can I order that or the other *without* your "account" that I utterly don't need; and similar.
mp_en_viaje would also pay something for spinoza-polished lenses ; but because i'm perverse not because they're worth it.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942651 << this is a thing we considered before even. the fundamental problem with it is that it's phd-assemblyline essentially, the work is worth 10 bux an hour but can only be done by like... one guy in the werld. i think it rather a pitfall.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 12:04:34 mp_en_viaje: you said "my place is ordained here" i asked who ordained. you said "priests". this begs the question, why are you here ?
mp_en_viaje: i'm not against nsa paying fair market value for the things, if you want them ; but fair MARKET value, not alf-value where he insanely calls things maxint and worthless according to the elucubrative needs of his deranged mental processes, which somehow manage to produce http://archive.is/qLu5P time and time and time again (and even notices this), but no substantial change.
mp_en_viaje: this is why renting costs more than ownership, precisely and specifically this : that the owner's stuck with the risks of owning.
mp_en_viaje: more importantly, what the fuck, we paid DC prices to rent machines so that pizarro could have a book, now we also buy them back so pizarro doesn't have a downside ? what the fuck is this, training for failure ?
mp_en_viaje: what value does it generate ? is it a good deal for nsa, to trade half a bitcoin for a coupla used dc machines, even leaving aside how these eminently constitute what asciilifeform knows to be called "surplus", through the process he oft described in logs of buying stuff for pennies ?
mp_en_viaje: so the discussion will absolutely be carried in terms of "is this generating value for nsa shareholders", not "will mp be persuaded".
mp_en_viaje: it did not work for the original latino whores ; it did not work for dpb, "oh, ima call myself a republican but really, what i'm interested in is remarkably stupid sterlie shit". not worked for phf idem exactly, and will not work fucking generally.
mp_en_viaje: and in general, this purely latino whore style of "i don't mind what they call it for as long as i can keep doing exactly the fuck it was i was gonna do anyway" dun werk.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 00:53:16 asciilifeform: snsa bought its share of piz for FG crate + 2 boxen ( the very smg boxen in fact ) , perhaps mp will accept these back .
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942134 << thinking of this, on one hand i dislike the informalism. it's not "mp will accept these back", s.nsa is an actual person, exactly as much as you are, and doesn;t suddenly dissolve just because you don't particularly like the way things played out. the whole story of "oh, do X or you'll die" was, throughout, backed by exactly this backstop. this is the piper, this is how you
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:58:34 mod6: There is a lot of work re: trb that does need to be done too. Another thing that was nagging at me... if we're to have a "university", we also need materials. And technical materials can be 'trb' coad itself; however, it might be cool to have an annotated source.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942922 - certainly need materials and yes, I think mod6 would do a great job annotating the trb code and generally getting it moving again.
diana_coman: ftr I consider FFA mandatory for #o & rather entry level at that but so far people still need to excavate selves to get to that entry level even.
trinque: make sure to encrypt to their key and sign with yours, of course
lobbesbot: mod6: Sent 19 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=8O_Y << Notes on the recovery
asciilifeform: seems like all the primo irreplaceables -- already out , and in BingoBoingo's hands nao.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dont break yourself. i strongly suspect the contents will be there still tomorrow.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Thought popped in on getting the handcart in and out without asking for the special cart door priviledge, but will have to wait for daylight.
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo for the sweat.
BingoBoingo to take a short walk with the back unloaded before turning in.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Not including the databases, it was around 35 GB iirc. Will go down with tar.gz, but uncertain how much
trinque: for others also, I mean.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This little machine will take time to produce the tarballs.
trinque: how much space do you need for the whole drop?
asciilifeform: ok trinque . then dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/... and iron auctions. ( after all else finish )
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: there's a crematory list
asciilifeform: aha ha. then trinque plox to gpg re where it wants to live.
trinque: I wouldn't mind having the fg when it can be arranged, actually.
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo . can also look up by what his price was, if it's == colo + fg, then was our fg.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will do the lookup. That information's going to be in what survives of the ancient GPGmessNotes
trinque: I've been part of plenty of failed business ventures, know the burn.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: trinque's box contains FG. look up whether personal ( in which case must be posted to him ) or piz's plox
BingoBoingo: Rest of the usb-ttyls out along with misc adapters
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 05:53:12 mp_en_viaje: 2. do you want another employee ? he's hardworking and learns fast if not particularly well versed right now ; some kind of apprenticeship is probably on the table.
trinque: brb, moving my bouncer to another box.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942747 << yep, I pulled in the stylesheet from my blog on several other items. I'll get it backed out if I can't get the latest copy of my blog soon.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 14:34:28 BingoBoingo: Trinque's recent post had me reevaluating the dietary situation and adjusting. I'd been taking it for granted Milk is rich in Vitamin D, etc only to discover... The locals throw some folic acid in flour y Ya! After making some dietary adjustments the last few weeks of winter were less "blah" burdened than te preceeding.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940717 << I never noticed I was depressed from the lack until the lack was satisfied for the first time. I think this is general wisdom.
trinque: I can arrange to have an sftp destination for the contents.
trinque: I'd like a final backup of my uy1 web dir, blog and w/e else is in there.
trinque: if indeed we're scuttling piz, BingoBoingo may have the hardware I sent on bv's run as a gift.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 22:19:09 mod6: Also, told bv to tap trinque on the shoulder.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1942856 << in my case, I *think* I have all the backups I need. I had the presence of mind to run my backup script of auctionbot data and blog dump when I logged in for final time. There is always a chance I forgot something or dump is corrupt, etc. Will find out in the coming days once heathen replacement comes online
lobbes: And the rest of my boxen are VPSen, which just suck in general for most things
lobbes: asciilifeform: main reason for not wanting to host it on usg box is mainly because logger is also running on there and a) don't want too many eggs in one basket and b) don't want too many things interfacing with same postgres database (since actionbot is on top of logbot which also logs every line, and I dunno if this will slow things down or what. I like the idea of segregating them in this sense)
lobbes: enjoy the meats fellas
mod6: Alright folks, I gotta get some meat going here. But I'll be checking back if you need me. Otherwise, will be back around tomorrow.
asciilifeform: lobbes: afaik auctionbot contains no seekritz (other than fleanode pw for itself) so in principle could live ~anywhere
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1942833 << btw, I've snagged another leased server from some singapore heathen hoster. Once they provision the thing and give login info then auctionbot will live again. However, if it is desperately needed in the meantime I can slap it up on the usg hoster as a stop-gap measure
asciilifeform: mod6: imho this is 1 of those cases where 'the spring is no good w/out the ratchet, or the ratchet -- w/out the spring' .
asciilifeform: but imho if actually maintaining the proggy dun come 1st, then what may end with is item resembling the pseudofoundation, which has lengthy tentacles but 0 grasp of the orig. item (not even enuff grasp to do seriously complex evil, for the most part.)
mod6: This I've sort-of applied to the sense that for actual humans, which we can sift-the-sand for, tbf/tmsr can cultivate bitcoin literacy.
mod6: "'To the working planetologist, his most important tool is human beings,' his father said. 'You must cultivate ecological literacy among the people.'"
mod6: I'm totally in the middle of Dune.
mod6: THE SPICE MUST FLOW
asciilifeform: but even if not answers, no pulse, 'the spice must flow'(tm)
mod6: And mentioned that if he wants to, he can stop by for a nomination to the co-chair.
mod6: Also, told bv to tap trinque on the shoulder.
asciilifeform: mod6: diana_coman has eaten all of the material to date.
asciilifeform: i do not know whether diana_coman is still taking people into her school, but for a ffa n00b it is imho a very desirable school.
mod6: Yeah, she's pretty deep into the chapters iirc.
asciilifeform: even the 'der' parser, i presently have nfi how worx.
asciilifeform: for this, the biggest afaik hole in what is known, is how the idjit ssl-guts crypto stack operates.
asciilifeform: or... i've a bunch of these.
asciilifeform: or, to take another, what will happen if a 'nonfinal' tx is again mined ?
mod6: Lot's of questions need to be asked such as this, and their answers, ugly or not, need to be found.
asciilifeform: to take 1 example, is there a max reorg depth that still worx as expected ?
asciilifeform: mod6: i dare to say that no one 100% comprehends (not the protocol per se, i comprehend) but the entire behaviour space of the proggy per se.
mod6: Materials for study are necessary, and the logs yield quite a tale, but something consolidated would help.
asciilifeform: the heathens sorta tried to do this, but in the usual heathen way simply shat in their pants.
asciilifeform: esp. in such a way as to produce a spec that can then be worked from.
mod6: Not committed or married to the idea, but I've been trying to think about what I might want to spend my time on.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:45:48 asciilifeform: lobbes: speaking strictly for self -- 'quick' jobs are quick because they (incl. 'fit problem in head' phase) can be fit into a single slot in b/w salt mine idjicies. whereas things large enuff as not fit, much moar friction. (erry time must load it in... again, again, ... )
mod6: There is a lot of work re: trb that does need to be done too. Another thing that was nagging at me... if we're to have a "university", we also need materials. And technical materials can be 'trb' coad itself; however, it might be cool to have an annotated source.
mod6: I have a whole list of things I wanna do; actually. Like, finally spend the time I need on all things FFA.
asciilifeform: ( maybe only i take these seriously ? but imho such documents ought to represent reality )
mod6: But alas, The Foundation has some greater goals than simply trb itself. TRB can be one facet of this, but new blood will need to take the ship in a direction of outreach.
asciilifeform: mod6: imho it is only because we have trb, that other meaningful work has what to breathe.
mod6: I would like to see trb carry-on indeed. Now, perhaps, more than ever, is needed as a check against wild shitcoiners out there.
asciilifeform: imho these are the fundamentals, without which all other adventures pertaining to trb (e.g. propaganda) are meaningless.
asciilifeform: nao asciilifeform is no one in tbf. but will be sad if it comes to be the case that there is no tbf to fund emplacements of noades, curation of the ref. trb (incl. mod6's very fine build system) .
mod6: Well, correct, I've stated that I think I've done the duty as spelled out in the Charter. It's well impressed on me that tbf needs new direction and new blood.
asciilifeform: there is nuffin in the charter regarding e.g. carrying out propaganda, or even the building of noades. (tho both imho are Right Thing)
mod6: We'll really need to discuss the whole thing at length too. It's not yet fully determined what'll happen to tbf. But mircea_popescu has thrown out a few ideas. I doubt I'll be involved in whatever comes next for it though.
asciilifeform: incidentally i dun agree w/ mp's verdict that tbf is somehow broken (aside from 1 of the 2 chairs having gone awol.) charter reads, clearly, 'This charter establishes the existence of a virtual organization whose mission is to maintain the Bitcoin reference implementation.' this was carried out .
ossabot: trinque last seen in #trilema on 2019-10-03 22:53:34: sorry for the gagged deedbot meanwhile; that outage caught me in the middle of a multi-channel experiment
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 20:22:43 asciilifeform: asciilifeform, otoh, did the equiv of when folx w/ no medical education attempt a tracheotomy on choking patient. cuz nobody else was about to.
asciilifeform: but, mod6 , if at any point you find that you take a difference to asciilifeform's method of conducting the orchestra plox to asap say .
mod6: was just looking for trinque's last transmission. seems like it was the 4th.
mod6: yeah, seems like we're on the same page.
asciilifeform: it was a leased irons isp rather than colo
asciilifeform: they tend to leave disgusting messes.
mod6: the latter half of that previous line didn't quite parse for me. care to expand on that a bit?
asciilifeform: fwiw asciilifeform had a heathen isp close on him 2y ago. had no (3) personally owned in it, but never saw an lick of (1) or (2) .
mod6: i'd say that's the correct approach.
asciilifeform: seems like the only 1 who hasn't yet come up for air is trinque .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd rather not put those on a heathen hoster, but let's ask the affected folx 1st.
BingoBoingo: On the plus side we do have everyone's ssh pubkeys so we don't have to put up for all comers even though GPG'd
asciilifeform: mod6: currently i'm thinking, we do not need 'liquidator' a la bbet. we, ourselves, can properly play the orchestra as the ship goes down.
asciilifeform: if no one comes up with where, i'ma get hold of a cheap heathen thing, they're gpgballs, ought not matter where to put.
BingoBoingo: Now, one thing we do need is some sort of ftp server we can use to get shared hosting customers GPG'd tarballs with their files and databases
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dun panic. asciilifeform simply would like to apply the necessary heat so as e.g. the sec deposit dun evaporate .
mod6: asciilifeform: that's decent news. but still, we should proceed with our customers needs first. then, possibly, see what we can do for Pizarro.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've still not had time to contemplate anywhere that might be better in the near to mid term.
mod6: Well, so the way I see it: On the off chance that we'd win some sort of judgement, even if the courts are expedient, and I doubt that they are; We should continue on our current path. Pay what ever we need to pay back to customers out of what we have on-hand, make shipments, what have you. Then if there is cash left over, make a decision at that time.
asciilifeform: mod6: since BingoBoingo apparently wishes to stay in uruguayistan, gotta cleanly nuke the contract.
BingoBoingo: Even though the contract nearly made it to term, it's still a liability attached to my name personally.
BingoBoingo: On some level once the auditions to see if any lawyers are hungrier than present counsel are concluded, if a suit isn't feasible counsel may be necessary to cleanly send the contract to /dev/null should latecho get combative
asciilifeform: mod6: orc attourneys i suspect dun charge megabux. but imho worth to find what'd cost. perhaps even 1 would work on contingency, and then only costs to feed BingoBoingo .
mod6: However, I'm not closing the door on the whole thing. We'll have to evaluate our liabilities to our customers, cash on hand, who would be owed what, etc.
mod6: re: lawsuit, i've been following along here since the onset of this. I get the overall sense that not much may come of it, and similar to what MP was saying, would have been helpful to have some attourney long ago, as opposed to now. Especially regarding the fact that we've been getting screwed for years. A judgement might only consist of some repayment for recent month.
asciilifeform: mod6: if you paid moar than coupla hundy for it, prolly worth to get it back via the post.
mod6: BingoBoingo: The directories are listed in my pgp msg.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: why wouldja want the raid card but not the whole box ? << Perhaps a bit premature to ask for this. Let's see if BB can get the back up completed, then will decide on whether to sell the box or have it shipped back whole, or parts.
BingoBoingo: mod6: If you can give me guidance on what directories you want, that will be helpful. Even downloading straight from the local switch, the whole blockchain is going to take time, and space.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik.
lobbesbot: mod6: Sent 24 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942437] [owed] and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit.
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> asciilifeform mod6: I plan to return and SSH into the box. << Thanks BB!
ericbot: Logged on 2018-07-24 12:38:09 asciilifeform: oblig su joak : division commander notices that maxim gun emplacement has fallen silent. he walks over , 'comrade gunner, why is your maxim silent' gunner : 'comrade lieutenant, i've run through my belt' lieutenant : 'BUT YOUR ARE A COMMUNIST!' ... the maxim promptly begins to chatter again !
asciilifeform: re customers, yes would rather give'em working boxes, but will have to be refund.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's the odd balance that remains from security deposit/mega bolus going into the datacenter last fall
asciilifeform: (re piggy -- dun fughet, BingoBoingo , that we also will have to issue refunds to people who had refueled and then had ??? instead of reachable boxes for week+ )
BingoBoingo goes for the statement
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Per my records in the months after they said to stop sending more money for a while, after MP's big incoming wire via Mocky, we spent down much of the security deposit as BTC price was low.
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform is in favour of using as much of the remaining piggy as BingoBoingo sees fit , in taking it as far as it can be made to go.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mod6 you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is owed and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Per the contract the cage would have to be in arrears 30 days or longer before they can suspend service, deny access, etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i fully expect that when you show up to tear up the contract, they'll try to cook up some bullshit re the cage being in arrears . hence wai important to empty it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Latecho hasn't done any hidnering today. Just the lobby tile police.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ideally tomorrow they will all be in the habitation module. If recovering the boxes is hindered, THAT, the hindering, is actionable.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aite. but ideally all the irons will be safely under BingoBoingo's bed tomorrow.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: here is how FGs went in machine, if this helps. if that space aint there (and in most boxes, in asciilifeform's experience, it aint) then can only put'em by e.g. forgoing raid card and using that space. or in 5in. disk slot (which most also lack.)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Tonight it is too late to get the cardless girl into the building, but yes I am trying to think of something that will make the servers ergonomic enough to carry. Legionaire's kit is meant to be worn. Server meant to be densly racked. The potential to drop a chassis more than anything is what gives me pause.