mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you do this thing as a kid, where you'd go about the parked cars in the street after leaving school to see "asta cit prinde ?!?!" ie, "how fast does this one go ???"
mircea_popescu: two people in euclidean geometry share the priors noted down by euclid. some other guy on a bannach sphere somewhere, does not.
asciilifeform: and hillary clitler 'cares about the children' ahahaha.
asciilifeform: nao to be fair maybe d00d dun speak the king's english, whoknows
asciilifeform: and no response to the very imho concrete q, of what exactly 'to high standard' program douchebag has seen, read, used ?
asciilifeform: so no shared priors then ?
douchebag: asciilifeform: You're not even worth responding to at this point, I think you're the one who wouldn't know 'if it bit you'
asciilifeform: rather than empty words. which i suspect , in your head, it right now is.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-22 16:25 mircea_popescu: douchebag if 13 yo kid comes to psychologist's office because insomnia, and after some hymenlick maneouvering on the part of the professional comes out with the story that has "terrifying and disturbing dreams", thereuponwhich recounts numerous instances of dreamed tits, nipples and areola but 0 clits, labia or vaginal openings, the psychologist can safely thereby infer 13yo kid is a virgin.
asciilifeform: and so, without any ill will to douchebag , i would put the likelihood that he had learned from something worth learning from, as somewhere near 0
asciilifeform: there is ~precious~ little 'high standard' anything to learn from.
asciilifeform: douchebag: from whence comes the idea in your head of 'high standard' ? what program have you read that 'was written to high standard', wouldja know it 'if it bit you' ??
asciilifeform: douchebag: auditor studies three separate ( and usually in cases where audit is called for, quite disjoint ) items -- a) the problem the program is solving b) what the author ~declared~ to be the solution to (a) c) what the program he wrote, ~actually does~, under the closure of all possible inputs
douchebag: asciilifeform: If the audit reveals that everything was done properly and to a high standard
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo by now i suspect they're pasty enough to make great bottoms.
asciilifeform: in what case, douchebag , is proper audit somehow easier than writing the program from empty space to solve the same problem. describe one.
asciilifeform: how does this connect to the thread ?
BingoBoingo: In other campus rape, In Saint Louis the sexual predators target the Fratbois http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/suspect-in-rape-of-male-umsl-student-had-been-arrested/article_e886f53b-6589-5ab4-8320-80409a5ef78c.html
asciilifeform: at least the linter only wants a few watts to run
asciilifeform: exactly like the idjit payware linter, but more expensive because you are made of meat
asciilifeform: if you think that it suffices to look for 'known types of questionable code', you are then a meat scanner
asciilifeform: so evidently douchebag you think that it is possible to speak of 'having audited' a program that you did not fully understand, in the sense where you could sit down in a room with a 'clean' comp and write it again ?
douchebag: it also depends on who wrote the program
asciilifeform: ( evidently , shitoshi -- for whatever his other flaws -- knew how to run 'lint' )
asciilifeform: possibly funnily , early in trb life , asciilifeform on a lark put it through a $maxint scamolade 'cpp security auditor' proggy that the imperial slavegalley he was working in, had bought. the result -- unsuprisingly to tuned-in folx, i expect -- was so unremarkable that i did not bother to post it.
mircea_popescu: in other webs, big bang empire is moderately amusing. you're a pornstar looking for work.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rather.
mircea_popescu: yet magic doesn't work in the working sense of the verb to work, as found in hospitals as opposed to magic shaman nigger hut.
mircea_popescu: but hey -- vulnweb "works" and therefore... "works". the confusion between these workings is lost to the noob. and yet... magic also "works" in the first case -- when magician/warlock/condoleeza rice walk into room with sickman and wave magic wand, SOMETIMES IT HEALS IT!!!
mircea_popescu: to them -- room is mine and mine is room, sure thang.
mircea_popescu: and the only folk to whom the difference is immaterial are our stone age friends from the cargo-cult, cave dwellers as they find themselves.
mircea_popescu: the situation is approximately the same as of a "young aspiring gold prospector" who goes to the designated ROOM in his local community center, where he spits on some pebbles / digs through the plasticine cubes.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-09 18:03 asciilifeform: ers, handymen, the auto mechanics of the IT industry, all flocked to Perl because they could tinker so well with it with no required knowledge or skills.' ( http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3241270848355795@naggum.no.html ) would go a long way.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-09 18:03 asciilifeform: the expulsion of 'In all likelihood, there was no change at all to the labor-intensiveness, but the labor was more "fun" for a certain class of people. Now, industrious retards can be a horrible thing. Over a number of years, close to a decade, Perl accreted bits and pieces from programming languages and became usable in lieu of a programming language by people who lacked the mental wherewithall to do programming. Tinkerers, repair
mircea_popescu: that's the problem with pantsuit "tools", branded however they may be branded : there's 0 marginal utility to them.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless... do you expect the 62nd application of the same magic wand upon trilema is liable to yield anything more, or better, than the previous 61 ?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/the-incidental-humiliation-of-obamas-clean-energy-policies-marc-andreessens-internet-of-farts-and-other-such-comedic-gold-bricks/ y compris.
mircea_popescu: it is sold to ignorant youths on the basis that "hey, SOMETIMES it yields results, when applied randomly to the web". that may be, as Framedragger 's ssh tests or phuctor dredged up, everything, every last bit of nonsense can be found "on the web".
mircea_popescu looks into the logs, sees 62 instances of eg - http://testasp.vulnweb.com/t/fit.txt%3F.jpg and similar garbage. this, of course, is "web security" or "penetration testing", or however you'd call it. a set of "tools", no doubt "professional" that permit one A CERTAIN KIND of cargo-cultish periphrastic cvasi-but-not-really involvement in their chosen field.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-21 14:41 a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 00:21 mircea_popescu: this entire exercise in idiocy has, practically speaking, resulted in me paying various hard working ticos a grand or so, to the people fucking in the ass the "security" paradigm of pantsuit.fetlife. IN LIEU of having paid that much, and rather more, to the fetlife itself.
mircea_popescu: consider hanbot's problem : there is "An abundance" of vps hosten to "choose" from. with the aforegiven knowledge that buttpay and shitsandwich. "but it's our policy to suck" and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788393 dedication and so on.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-22 16:02 mircea_popescu: the unsustainable, unacceptable etc systematically misrepresented to them as socially acceptable, the necessary, correct etc equally systematically misrepresented as socially unacceptable... it's true that this is grade A child abuse, but then again it's also true the children so abused carry on the sad smoldering stumps of what's left of their lives
mircea_popescu: faux choice of meaninglessness is the cornerstone of that entire http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788602 system.
mircea_popescu: kinda the idea.
ben_vulpes: lobbes: i think it'll be great; will push everyone on the box to standardize on known-ok package versions. "we support weechat 1.4 and fuckyou"
asciilifeform: because he asked 'how the fuck do we know it ~was~ gauss'
asciilifeform: ^ somebody sat and tried to collect all known versions of the legend
mircea_popescu: lobbes considering what the level of committment required to try it is... what, waste 20 bux ?
lobbes: Honestly, my knee-jerk reaction against sharing a box is probably based on the old idea of sharing it with $random_orcs. Sharing it with L1s may actually be a Good Thing (I'd probably learn a few useful things)
asciilifeform: and observe, mircea_popescu does not pack his harem gurlz 2-3 to a room by sawing off their beaks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which may be the last time this (ie, sane people working) even occured.
asciilifeform: state of the art 1974!11
mircea_popescu: yup. and trinque made the bot, it's a pipe job.
mircea_popescu: i suppose a logical next step for pizarro is to have a bot dedicated to listing who's on boxes, what the load is like etc.
asciilifeform: cpu quotas and other 'systems that can be exam-gamed' are not substitute for talking to people.
asciilifeform: the ~other~ engineering heuristic that's absolutely imho grand, and that i stole from mircea_popescu , is 'there is not a mechanical substitute for coming to an understanding with the people you live and work with'
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-03-22 17:23 lobbes: To run with the house analogy: my current vps arrangements feel more like 'condominium' than 'roomies sharing a house'. E.g. I could set up a cronjob to blow away /var/www/ every hour if I felt like it. No need to consult (nor do I see) other renters
a111: Logged on 2018-03-22 17:31 asciilifeform: back to the 'let's remove pretenses' -- let's put on record for the log: the 'traditional' style of vps is quite heavy in overhead, because pointlessly emulates for each inhabitant 'you have a i-cant-believe-its-not-a-physical-box-with-physical-nic-and-disks-etc' item
ben_vulpes: was more interested in the adults with beer and teenaged girls
mircea_popescu: imo brits are the dumbest of animals, and for two reasons : the constant rape the muslims put them through, and the constant rape the real estatists put them through.
ben_vulpes: not even japan with the traditional every-30-year rebuild of housing stock?
asciilifeform: and the friction is substantial and is in fact not 60 but 90+% of the resources spent at shitazon etc
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah, walls in apt building is the linux user system. you're thinking of english "cottages" piled up in town, each with their 3 sq ft "garden" in front.
asciilifeform: not only cpu; they all share bus, and nic
asciilifeform: you have now N instances of the multi-GB garbage shitpile that is modern linux, instead of 1, in memory.
ben_vulpes: it's been some time since i gave a shit but the 'docker' folks were very proud of the resource sharing that linus wrote for them
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: does the 'cgroups' 'containerization' sharedhosting approach waste the same amount?
mircea_popescu: it's the pantsuit gift of "progress", tends to soak up about 60% of the living life to do nothing at all. much like their tax system.
mircea_popescu: which 60% can also be used to... you know, buffer the occasional mass mysql rewrite or w/e user needs
asciilifeform: this is 1) costly , vmization imposes continuous context-switching for cpu, even with the acceleration garbage it is ruinous 2) pointless, because readily 'escaped' from
mircea_popescu: yes, i expect 60% of the box goes to that wastage by now.
asciilifeform: back to the 'let's remove pretenses' -- let's put on record for the log: the 'traditional' style of vps is quite heavy in overhead, because pointlessly emulates for each inhabitant 'you have a i-cant-believe-its-not-a-physical-box-with-physical-nic-and-disks-etc' item
asciilifeform: in scenario where the only user proggy is apache -- correct, cannot eat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how will anyone eat all the ram, apache runs as nobody anyway.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in unexpected lulz, http://trilema.com/2018/why-african-americans-can-never-excel-at-anything-relative-to-the-white-majority-they-cant-be-the-smartest-nor-the-poorest-nor-the-best-nor-the-neediest-nor-the-anything-else-est-not-ever/#comment-125050
asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's experience with shared unix boxen in youth, the most typical problem is not 'seekritz' but 'hamfist hoses the box'
asciilifeform: in general engineering practice, one of the very few good heuristics asciilifeform knows for 'improve X' is 'discard pretenses'
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes depends what host. a blog ? i dunno man, what sikrits can they glean!!!!
mircea_popescu: if there's actual demand for some reason, can always stand up a box with all that crap later. or entreprising fellow can just resell one.
mircea_popescu: use linux accounts. the "isolation" bs is bs.
jhvh1: ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-03-22 17:08 asciilifeform: i for instance do not see why , if it's wot l1 people living in it, it has to expend the cpu overhead to pretend-isolate and vm-ize. why not simply traditional unix accounts.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yeah i care quite deeply about folks clicking links with b58 encoded piles of trash in the url
douchebag: Good, I'm glad someone is on the same page as me.
mircea_popescu: yes douchebag. the whole point is to do things right.
ben_vulpes: why bother fucking if your dick's going to pop out?
mircea_popescu: ahahaha he got you there didn't he ?
douchebag: Wouldn't it make sense to make sure you're doing something the right way before you go ahead and do it?
ben_vulpes: man i can't even find the juice to beat this kind of thinking into the heads of people at $work; they gotta come preconfigured for utility
ben_vulpes: not to insult your trade, but to try and hammer home the paradigms you're missing
ben_vulpes: douchebag: until you wrap your head around what goes on here, you're going to be fighting this negative impression where you insist that you're smart and educated etc, just...not in any topics that anyone here cares about eg trb as a basis for murdering the megastate and all barnacles like ecommerce/ssl/securitycircus hanging off the side
asciilifeform: it is not insult to intelligence, either. technicians have a place. but douchebag gotta decide which it is that he wants to be, and stop pretending to be the other.
ben_vulpes: i thought this was too obvious to point out, did not want to further insult douchebag's intelligence
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788650 << this is also interesting. note however it's misstated. whether you know better or not what to do with your time is not generally touched ; but you sure as fuck don't know better what NOT to do with your time, which is time and again the crux of the matter.
asciilifeform: douchebag: then you have various options. and you don't need me or anyone to tell you what these are.
mod6: then tell us for christsakes
ben_vulpes: douchebag: if you cannot read through thebitcoin.foundation website and get to trb i do not know what future there is for you
mod6: I have personally, at least, posted 'thebitcoin.foundation' in here 196 times.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-22 16:37 douchebag: How am I projecting? You're the ones who are acting like you're somehow better because you have different interests.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788649 << this is actually very true ; if theres a predicate for republican superiority, is the better choice of interests.
ben_vulpes: no fucking way anyone's going to try to enumerate the holes in your education
douchebag: "read the logs"
mod6: you can't say that you read the logs, and also do not know where trb is or what it is.
mod6: you have never read the logs 'eh
asciilifeform: douchebag: therealbitcoin.org
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788651 << amusingly enough, i'm probably a better "website security" dood than you, if that's what you mean, or at least so the folk in the know believe, on the strenght of the various website fuckings / wp ddos writeups etc i've piled up over the years. but this is a little like disputing the sackrunning competition.
mircea_popescu: douchebag no, actually : we are explicit about the [little] we feel good about ourselves. the "alternative" such as it misrepresents itself, is very successfully implicit about how [grandiosely] it feels good about itself. but somehow you don't go up to some clueless dork pretending to run a "security business" and be "your boss" and ask him whence he feels that insanely overstretchedkly good about himself. for SOME reason.
asciilifeform: douchebag: didja ever go to school of any sort ? did they give you Great Unsolved Problems to solve in school ? or old, solved ones ?
asciilifeform: douchebag you trained as a technician and the tubes you trained on are on their way out. sad (for you) but true. consider learning something else.
asciilifeform: there is not a future with vastly moar php in it
douchebag: Oh yeah, and I'm the one projecting.
douchebag: How am I projecting? You're the ones who are acting like you're somehow better because you have different interests.
ben_vulpes: oh baby don't take it personally, sit with the discomfort for an hour and figure out the root of it.
mircea_popescu: it's somehow funny when the md says it.
mircea_popescu: right. i expect it's the first time anyone even said within earshot this whole pantsuit badge collecting isn't even socially accepted, let alone required.
douchebag: ben_vulpes: It's interesting to me, and considering pretty much any large company or organization has a web application in their infrastructure I feel like it's a pretty good area to focus on in terms of security research.
mircea_popescu: it's interesting to me, honestly. i expect from his pow we appear as half insane half irresponsible, and the question of where's the hole the day comes in through quite poignant.
ben_vulpes: douchebag: i dunno man, i'm going to weary of picking things for you in short order but maybe try to sidechannel the mpi lib?
a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 21:29 mircea_popescu: meditation upon http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787343 yields the interesting result that problem spaces are not continuous. problem spaces are discrete, and there exists such a thing as problem spans.
mircea_popescu: there is no certificate of ontology.
douchebag: I also work for a security firm at the moment.
mircea_popescu: should however same kid in same situation describe anal beads with nubbins on them and other arcana 13yo kids notably (and notedly, throughout history of civilisation) can NOT on their own come up with, psychologist similarily has a solid child abuse referral case.
mircea_popescu: douchebag if 13 yo kid comes to psychologist's office because insomnia, and after some hymenlick maneouvering on the part of the professional comes out with the story that has "terrifying and disturbing dreams", thereuponwhich recounts numerous instances of dreamed tits, nipples and areola but 0 clits, labia or vaginal openings, the psychologist can safely thereby infer 13yo kid is a virgin.
ben_vulpes: douchebag: well it's what it looks like from here, take the ad hominem and show me it's wrong yeah?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: working with asciilifeform to vpsify the idle box now
mircea_popescu: now on to the issue of the vps. is pizarro coming up with something in short enough order it's worth having the whole genesis mp-wp wait on it, or rather should more business go away and hanbot pick herself yet another rando vps host ?
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-22#317063 << you showed up, said 'help, what do i do', and i said 'go, son, and this thing.' it's a severalfold test: can you wrap your head around the concepts in v? can you take orders when you ask for them? it's a layered pile of crash course in not flunking out of the republic. in re 'what am i expected to do', look either you eventually grow up and start picking
mircea_popescu: not even sure how original the whole "nopenopenope" thing is.
asciilifeform: most folx are no more capable of conceiving an ~original~ abuse than of original symphony or theorem, lol
mircea_popescu: the unsustainable, unacceptable etc systematically misrepresented to them as socially acceptable, the necessary, correct etc equally systematically misrepresented as socially unacceptable... it's true that this is grade A child abuse, but then again it's also true the children so abused carry on the sad smoldering stumps of what's left of their lives
a111: Logged on 2018-03-22 06:11 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ftr, it's euphEmisms and venezuEla. are your voewls shifting from all the tuna you're eating or what!
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-22#1788483 << Vowels shift, R's roll faster, but still trying to find an ethnic slur that can stick to the Uruguayos (fucking self delusion of white priviledge)
mircea_popescu: i do however believe the foregoing statement, that high quality, sterling stupidity is always manufactured, never inborn. most people are poorly socialized from birth.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my impression is, some folx like 'pumping' their head, like muscle men pump muscles, others -- not. and who's who, is apparent from early childhood.
asciilifeform: at the risk of abusing proverb -- teacher can lead horse to water, but cannot make him take square roots
a111: Logged on 2014-02-16 22:04 asciilifeform: old man: 'drown him, father, drown, drown.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can't say i'm tempted. the structure still can not be predicated on the meaning, what am i going to do, argue with the "rationally skeptical" http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-16#509012 ?
asciilifeform: ftr this applies to everybody. incl. asciilifeform , who had been 'using v' by hand-crank for year+ prior to writing the actual one
mod6: I've said this to others, I'm sure, that before even contemplating writing a V, you should be well versed in it ~use~.
asciilifeform: i'ma let mircea_popescu give the one-troo summary if he feels like ( it's his article ) but will say, it was about the archetypical f-student schoolbois's canonical lament 'what good will learning square roots do for me'
a111: Logged on 2018-03-22 10:34 douchebag: It would not be unpleasant if it had not already been done before multiple times, what's the point of reinventing the wheel?
douchebag: Most of the work I currently do is focused around protecting customers
douchebag: Well, I've stated previously that I intend on learning more about some of the more low level attack vectors
douchebag: For instance, what you mentioned in regards to XSS. XSS is the sort of thing that would have little to no impact on a site like trilema.com
douchebag: Yes, and that's one of the reasons why I'm not too sure if the areas I focus would even be relevant to the projects you guys work on
douchebag: Alright, yes that is some very interesting research. However, that's not exactly the same area of InfoSec that I have been studying.
mircea_popescu: do you read the logs douchebag ? or just stumble in this window now and again and that's it ?
douchebag: Could I read the blogs?
douchebag: That was a plan of mine to do later down the road
douchebag: I can identify security flaws & help with properly remediating the issue
mircea_popescu: depends what you mean by the latter.
douchebag: So here's the next thing
douchebag: and displaying the difference
douchebag: It just appears to be way of updating code, pgp signing the updates
douchebag: I literally do not understand anything. I don't know what a vpatch is or anything. The concept just does not make sense
douchebag: Okay, to clarify what I meant by saying "most people" is that people write code to publicly release and be used by others ect..
diana_coman: douchebag, your problem still seems to have as root the approach "towards purpose" instead of from causes; try and digest that post
diana_coman: douchebag, why do you concern yourself with what other people do or not do *after* something you didn't even yet do; it's a recipe for insanity this
douchebag: I write code for the simple purpose of making my life easier. 95% of the code I write will never be ran by anyone else except myself
diana_coman: what are the "same reasons most people do" and ..how did you figure out "most people" in there and why they do what they do?
douchebag: diana_coman: I agree with you. The reason I'm a bit hesitant is because I know what I'm not good at. I know how to code, I write code almost every single day. However, I don't code for the same reasons most people do
a111: Logged on 2018-03-22 10:46 mircea_popescu: because you're sitting there waiting for reality to change so it may be admitted in yoru movie. that's not how reality works, though there's a bunch of people still waiting for bitcoin to be what they thought of it, back in 2015 or 2013 or 2011 or w/e the fuck they first heard of it, formed a fantasy and adhered to it.
douchebag: So, do you think I should even bother?
douchebag: Like I said, I would like to help. I know how to code but I would be much better at helping w/ security related topics. I would not want to write a V just to find out that the only way for me to help would be for me to code stuff
douchebag: Well I don't understand how I'm sitting here waiting for reality to change? Are you saying there's absolutely nothing that I could help with here in regards to Information Security?
mircea_popescu: because you're sitting there waiting for reality to change so it may be admitted in yoru movie. that's not how reality works, though there's a bunch of people still waiting for bitcoin to be what they thought of it, back in 2015 or 2013 or 2011 or w/e the fuck they first heard of it, formed a fantasy and adhered to it.
douchebag: It would not be unpleasant if it had not already been done before multiple times, what's the point of reinventing the wheel?
mircea_popescu: i get it, it's hard and especially unpleasant in that it requires your getting off your ass, and god forbid confronting the unpleasant side of things. hurr.
mircea_popescu: the whole point, not just of the "write a v" task, but of the republic altogether, is to make this sort of non-thinking you're going for both ridiculous and impossible.
mircea_popescu: whether you're skilled or not has no bearing on this whole "area of expertise" nonsense. i've been writing for twenty years, doesn't mean i'll sit with my laptop while the girls eat each other out because fucking "isn't my area of expertise".
douchebag: I've been focused on web application security for the past decade, just becase I'm only 20 doesn't mean I'm not skilled.
douchebag: others have written V implementations that would be much better than the one I would write.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ftr, it's euphEmisms and venezuEla. are your voewls shifting from all the tuna you're eating or what!
BingoBoingo: Amazing how these things break
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: "no resolve" sounds like a side effect of the DNS settings allowing NFS to do its thing not pointing at an NFS doing its thing as advertised
hanbot: it's not even the shitpay hook or the nonsupport in themselves, abhorrent as they are. it's their marriage, wtf is "maybe not reallybut" doing in a yes/no switch.
asciilifeform: because if so, their refusal to answer call to rereg it is iirc a violation of their imperial dns charter
asciilifeform: it's the 'uber' variant of pantsuitism. ~whole thing is robot.
mircea_popescu: it's 100% pantsuitism, very much the only half-working attempt to enact the whole http://trilema.com/2018/the-problem-with-christians/#selection-61.0-65.669 into the world.
hanbot: mircea_popescu> the part where you leave customers unsupported is not anything to do with bitpay. << right, that's fucking DMV-level villainy.
asciilifeform: faq pretty clearly (last i read it, coupla yrs back) spelled out what they skimp on.
asciilifeform: they don't cost ~1% of what similar item costs from other vendors because martians work for'em for free...
mircea_popescu: the part where you leave customers unsupported is not anything to do with bitpay.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason they even need "ddos protection" is, for what it's work, RIGHT FUCKING HERE.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes can that vps thing be live already before everyone has to waste EVEN MORE TIME down the imperial drain already ?
hanbot is livid, mostly at self for having used anything buttpay supportive in the first place.
hanbot: wtf does "i'll try this out" even mean in the broad world these days aside from "i guess i'll see how x would like to fuck me over"
mircea_popescu: basically they scammed you out of whatever, three months' work or w/e, exactly like facebook or whoever ?
asciilifeform: they only recently began to claim to eat btc, recall
hanbot: so nearlyfreespeech hosting's insistence on using buttpay plays out like so: thewhet.net is offline, i can't make a payment to get it back online (precious addy must stay at home and hide under the blankets!!1), and i can't talk to 'em, cause low and behold the support subscription (which i'd been paying for for many months) expired so my ticket is pegged for the trash, please pay to talk into the clownmouth.
mircea_popescu: idiots biologically unfit to the world as it presented itself 1mya, that's how far this "security and respect" paradigm sunk us.
mircea_popescu: strictly unplumbable, the depts of the idiocy of the contemporaneous subhuman. that they actually fucking believe the skinner box takes input is one thing ; but that they imagine it will produce food for them, rather than eat it itself ?! what, all that's missing is the correct incantation ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, people actually inquire with google re "russian billionaire email address loc ru" and such. in english and everything. then google points them... to me.
asciilifeform wonders if the tight little red bag around d00d's head is standard police kit nao
asciilifeform: 'Authorities were outside the hotel early Wednesday when Conditt got in his vehicle and drove away. They followed him until he pulled into a ditch and blew himself up, police said. The blast injured a SWAT officer.' etc
asciilifeform at one time tried to make a 'destupidator', even had the .com regged
mircea_popescu: in other random, shopping girl returns bearing shopping items ; among there included, a plunger.
ben_vulpes: "queen of the south" album cover bears a striking resemblance to pussy
mircea_popescu: "Like a bad ass she is, she proved to be wise beyond her years by standing head and shoulders (Or is it ass-tall) with the boys." doesn't even INTEND irony, you realise.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in fearless genii, http://zimbuzz.co.zw/2017/10/09/kikky-badass-queen-of-the-south-album/
mircea_popescu: dude... why is item with children with by three fathers not chained to a post somewhere. wtf get it off the internets.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile catching up on dispatches from mines back in the old country: "The side effects can be brutal. One medication exacerbated my depression and I ended up trying to take my own life. Immediately, while I was still in critical care, each of my three children’s fathers filed emergency petitions and took the kids."
mircea_popescu: imagine, the dork actually automated gmail signup process in order to beg for... phone charges.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz, https://www.google.com/search?q=Nikol33cr%40gmail.com https://www.google.com/search?q=Valeria23cr%40gmail.com https://www.google.com/search?q=Karina19cr%40gmail.com
BingoBoingo: Now the determination to refer to the discoverer as a child is related to his doing interesting things without a WoT presence, not because the fellow says he is 15
asciilifeform: there's prolly an ideal batch size where the arithmetic still fits in cache, which it'd make sense to use. but this is a detail for later.
asciilifeform: if there were a place to take bets, could take best on how many pop, lol
a111: Logged on 2016-02-21 02:14 mircea_popescu: (and for the record i will point out that tlp is anglotard enough to miss most of the substance. there's perfecty good reason everyone painted the same god damned vase with two apples next to it, and this has little do to with "you're not boring son ok" and a lot of fucking things to do with ... damn, where's that thread about ther ancient battlefield ?
mircea_popescu: much like original zeks kept habits of making figurines out of bread or whittling pine or w/e long into the 70s.
asciilifeform: i like how asciilifeform doesn't have to elaborate, mircea_popescu instantly grasped the boojum. almost as good as telepathy!11
mircea_popescu: after having idiots driven through the deserts for 20 years over at "secret labs", something like EC is a necessary byproduct just for the sake of maintaining whatever shreds of sanity.
mircea_popescu: in fact and rather transparently, the whole "secret curve" pseudocryptography is a direct result of all the nsa time spent chasing those a and b (no b doesn't HAVE TO BE 2, just as long as you know how you round it can also be a real)
asciilifeform: the notable bit is that it does not fall into any of the previously documented classes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's the kind of thing described by shamir and lenstra for 'evil prime generator'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally this is exactly the general formula i'd expect of nsa sponsored holes in rsa. p = a * x ^ b
asciilifeform: in other quasi-noose, if n is p*q, and 4p-1 = d*b^2, where b is integer and d is in {3,11,19,43,67,163}, n is factorable in polynomial time (with modest constant!)
a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 00:21 mircea_popescu: this entire exercise in idiocy has, practically speaking, resulted in me paying various hard working ticos a grand or so, to the people fucking in the ass the "security" paradigm of pantsuit.fetlife. IN LIEU of having paid that much, and rather more, to the fetlife itself.
mircea_popescu: aand to keep up with the historical lulz, in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787189 there's of course http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/woAj5/?raw=true
mircea_popescu has seen some tourists over the arbitrary weekend and it's given me a right and proper crise de la foie.
mircea_popescu: go talk to a girl and ping a blog, motherfuckers, jesus fucking christ on a cracker they LIED TO YOU, it's immoral NOT TO! you don't catch anything from sticking it into the wet sight unseen.
mircea_popescu: what i would REALLY like would be a pill whereby something spawned forth by cunt speaking english is NO LONGER this fundamentally idiotic moron who simply can not engage the world.
ave1: Yes indeed! Also about the curating
mircea_popescu: i loathe to curate anything by hand.
asciilifeform: probably easier to manually curate a list of friendly items that linked to yours, and dispense with the wp automagic ping thing
mircea_popescu: the disadvantage, of course, is that you have to now police a private, hand-cobbled dns, because ips change.
mircea_popescu: and they'll do it 1mn times per ip, no problem, they just set up the script, until the host kicks them off they literally don't care about anything.
mircea_popescu: as a result, trilema answers xmlrpc.php calls to the tune of ten a second every second, every day of every week of ever year. there's many many millions each month, no exception to date.
mircea_popescu: the disadvantage, and it is marked, is that there's an endless supply of "independent" and hallucinatorily "free" imbeciles, and EACH AND EVERY ONE will have to try foisting any idiotic little scheme from the annals of ancient schemes upon the entire world.
mircea_popescu: this advantage is however massively moderated by the sheer lunatic imbecility of english speakers, whereby i do not think it has happened yet that five people actually linked to an article on trilema without prior arrangement, such as their having a wot presence etc. there's one exception that comes to mind, some dood running a "dark underground" or w/e blog. this OVER TEN YEARS nigh on.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-21 14:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788325 << from what i understand they don't work on nfs because nfs is broken by design (alf tho thinks this is not a bug but a feature, something in the vein of "if you deliberately break the lock on your mailbox, you may miss out on some mail, it's true, but you can always claim in court you never got their papers" or such).
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788357 << it is 'broken' like this : you don't get a box (or even virtual box) with a particular ip, on nfs co, but rather a thing reminiscent of crapflare (but built ~20yrs prior) where the dns resolves as ip x for some loads, ip y for others, etc. so as to spread the ddosolade around. ( somewhat surprisingly, it actually worx -- eats multi-GB without coughing )
mircea_popescu: the advantage of the current system (anyone can ping, ips must match, not seen before sources go in mod queue) is that anyone can just ping, without prior arrangement.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-21 13:30 ave1: I'm logging the pings, to check how I can enumerate the good sites
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788331 << whitelist-only pinging might well be an improvement on the current situation worth discussing. so on the basis of trilema experience :