asciilifeform: but of actual dross. e.g. most of what glibc gloms on to every executable, never executes, these are bits you can flip with impunity
mircea_popescu: consider actual example : as i said at some point i bought used bmw. you might know or not, but these engines actually have a GEARBOX for the fan aspirating air to cool the radiator. this particular engine's gearbox for the fan was shot, resulting in a fan so weak you could stop it with finger (properly maintained, it's so strong as to snap a finger off). therte's a... special 2nd line fan system for this situation, and car w
asciilifeform: well i did not mean in the sense of how the good doktor shiro ishii discovered that man can 'run for a while' with no stomach
mircea_popescu: rt of pyramidal arrangement, picked up for ever more), but the xi will INCREASE (mostly because the "cost to run" now also includes wear and tear of parts not designed to wear and tear in that way.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this line is shakier ; i have seen good cars missing a few % of the parts through locals' insane notions of maintenance, still running. "what were they for ?" well, it's like this : the cost for the car to run is X, built out of x1...xn costs to do various itemized portions of "to run". if cost xi is due to components Ci1...Cim, should Cij fail, its slack will probably be picked up by the rest (often, in some so
mircea_popescu: much like the kid who spent his preteen years sewing footballs for nike is never going to be a great pianist.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 19:35 hanbot: latest in mp-wp saga: spyked's patch on vtools let me gpr build the phf's patcher and vdiff, latter of which made a genesis, former of which dies on pressing wiff: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2IVPp/?raw=true
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793646 << i'm moving too slow, please wait till tomorrow for me to push the regrind with fixes. if you can give me that version of mp-wp.vpatch unsigned that would be helpful
mircea_popescu: the large problem is that, generally unbeknownst to the victims of usg child abuse, they are actually not fit for any kind of intellectual work anymore, nor will ever be.
asciilifeform: ~have~ read plenty of iterated revisions of mathematical work where (sometimes over ~years~) author succeeded in making proof shorter
mircea_popescu: i never saw such a patch (then again i am not a major patch reader>)
mircea_popescu: and it is EXACTLY child abuse. some people take five year olds and teach them how to take penis up their asshole. usg takes five year olds and teaches them to be ashamed of saying "i, therefore", and affraid of saying "this is too much to read".
asciilifeform: consider , for instance, when was the last time you saw a ( heathen ) patch that ~subtracted~ bulk
mircea_popescu: they dare say this to me, "oh, trilema is too hard to read, i'm not reading it". that part, yes. they however do not say it in the one direction where it belongs said : "the source you published is too long for me to comfortably read, therefore you are in breach of your obligation ; fix it or ima burn down your shack."
mircea_popescu: but see, here's how it latches into imperial systematic child abuse : the esltards are brought up to think their own limits are shameful, and consequently... "nobody dared" point out that he, personally, can not read the source provided, and THEREFORE, for ~this reason~, it has NOT BEEN PROVIDED.
mircea_popescu: except here it's "not closed in the sense of we don't give you text to read ; but open in the sense we give you an endless stream to read"
asciilifeform: now add to this, autoconf, 'libraries', the idjit os...
mircea_popescu: the equivalent would be a "very good compiler -- it either compiles or never finishes, so it can't be said it ever encountered an error. drop your compile error rate to 0% with our new technology".
asciilifeform: a 500k-loc ( ignoring even for a moment the far greater heft of 'modern' wonders ) c/cpp proggy is, for all intents and purposes, closed-source, even if every line is published, because it is quite impossible for anyone -- even author -- to get a proper grip on its behaviour space
mircea_popescu: it's funny how this is an exact implementation of the political concept of "filibuster".
asciilifeform: the other interesting bit ( tho naggum treated it better than i have the stamina to ) is how gcc set back the compiler field by, perhaps , decades, by playing the 'dun matter how complex, so long as theoretically 'open' ' game
mircea_popescu: in fact, the whole fucking discipline of zek/cattle handing is based on this fundamental rule.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed. the broad box this falls into is "accepting the structure but debating the results". once you've eaten up the premises, what the fuck cartoonish "ha-HAA!" can you possibly expect, jesus fuck, 12 year olds moving about freely.
mircea_popescu: this is akin to the notion that redskins would have used treaties to opress white settlers. bitch, really ?
mircea_popescu: i do not believe the cleverness worked ; moreover, this instant example aside, i have TONS of example of exactly the same "cleverness" NOT working against the empire, all the way down to http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/#selection-63.0-67.2
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a piece about how troobelievers in 'rule of law' will set themselves up into ridiculously doomed situations, where they fixate on some technicality, like changing their names to punctuation marks or somesuch, that Will Surely Crash The System
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is not even clear to me that eben moglen (note, not rms) gpl experiment , i.e. 'use copyrasty against itself', worked for a short while ( to naked eye it would seem that it did, bsd routines got subsumed into microshit, gnu -- not , but there ~are~ alternative plausible explanations that don't involve 'fear of gpl violation' )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "but vendors could never distribute meaningless source, the million eyes of the community would spot it and things would happen!"
mircea_popescu: it could be "one dood's blog", if rms could ever muster enough cogency to keep a blog. but in fact, it's a loose association of conference-goers. for the same money they could be a "polyamory club" or w/e.
asciilifeform: they're a sort of mausoleum, with the small detail that their lenin is still, in a way, alive
mircea_popescu: principles of usg diffusely outside of usg.microsoft, usg.intel, usg.ibm and other enummerable badness". that about work ?
mircea_popescu: well, i guess we'll have to have a terminology standard then. how about this : fsf = "a little coven of pantsuit retards defined by loyalty to rms and no further characteristics", ie fsf is about on the level of importance of "starslatecodex" ; gnu = "symbol with no concrete reference, sometimes used as g- or gnu- prefix by marketeers exacly like the string 'super-'" ; open = "group of usg wreckers working on perpetuating the
asciilifeform: not small fry, either, but major vendors, philips, toshiba, hitachi, many others, who sell 100mils/chips/yr , for which the only compiler is... one of these
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it gets 'better' : 9000 forks, of various degrees of 'declared', many also pissing on gpl and distributing either closed turds, or turd + source and the latter on examination does not build . pestilential in embedded world
mircea_popescu: 100% of all discussion on the subject is our logs
mircea_popescu: moreover, there's exactly ZERO discussion of this anywhere. major, undeclared fork passing uncommented for what, a decade ? is this the level of "rational" idiocy in these muppets ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 18:37 ave1: btw, turns out AdaCore have implemented support for crapple IOS (arm 64 + macho) in their gcc, this cannot be found in fsf gcc's. But needs #ifs and #ifdefs, one line was #ifdef MACHO_TARGET, but should have been #if.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793620 << is it just me not comprehending how there can be two "g"ccs ?
mircea_popescu: notably, bridget fonda's role in this world. (she gets shot in the stomach for it, most satisfyingly.)
mircea_popescu: like the white girls in blacksploitation media products, there to impart status upon the "noble barbarians:"
mircea_popescu: nobody ever fucks the bridge bunnies, huh.
asciilifeform: well also it had the admixture of protestant 'propriety' and (for lack of fitting word)... ordnung
asciilifeform: catch one and plug'im into the mains, and you'll find out many surprises, e.g. that mathematics 'is what the calculator does', philosophy is 'something to do with genders of transgressed boundaries or somesuch poppycock', history 'i went to school like errybody else and learned how we allied with germany against ussr' (actual quote from americaness asciilifeform actually fucked) and i could continue butwhy.
mircea_popescu: it's not that "the programming language without recursion hasn't been found yet". is that it's not possible to have one. replace history and society in there, same deal.
mircea_popescu: yes, im starting to suspect that's the key. "los pueblos sin historia son condenados al fracaso".
asciilifeform: they're africans, of whatever colour.
asciilifeform: ... and exactly the same, for this exact reason
asciilifeform: 0 connection with actual human intellectual tradition, complete innocence of philosophy/mathematics/history(of any period whatsoever)
mircea_popescu: yes ; but then you look at the "right" as understood in the us, weirdo fringe groups built around "religion" in the sense of charismatic personality, and they're in no sense different EITHER.
mircea_popescu: im not so directly convinced that is the problem, seeing how you should see the latinas. they eat nothing but spanglosphere, and it's ~similar.
asciilifeform: these folx eat nothing at all but 'anglosphere'
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 17:42 TomServo: I expect MP will love "Software should be written for programmers, which means the code is the documentation,"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793570 << lmao. because children imagine "being a programmer" is having magical powers. somehow "being a cook" doesn't come in their head with a "food automatically makes itself around you", on the basis of direct experience with the mcdonalds fries counter. but "programmer" still means you magically intuit what the shit idiotic assumptions every mcdonalds employee baked into the "codebase".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every single, without exception, cave of urbit/suckmore/etc 'neets' that's been dug up so far, smells ~exactly the same to me . and imho neither surprising nor really avoidable, this is rather like those squirrels that live in american cities, that eat garbage, who is surprised that they all have scurvy in same way
mircea_popescu: but in other news of about same importance and entertainment value, kingdom rush frontiers from ironhide games is fucking amiga hard. holy hell what have these people done!
mircea_popescu: anyway, gotta do more work on the camouflage, by the time i can get "status is nothing" aka "we are just as pantsuit as any other pantsuit outfit" within five lines...
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'we'll breed 9000 mircea_popescus out of fungal broth and no one will ever find his way to the original one! genius' << Part of what keeping the blog counters
mircea_popescu: the problem with idiocy is that once you go there you kinda become captive. they actually imagine the situation is ~i~ need more people, not the other fucking way around. because "headcount is everything" hurr durr.
asciilifeform: 'we'll breed 9000 mircea_popescus out of fungal broth and no one will ever find his way to the original one! genius'
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's amusing how http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#selection-117.0-121.619 still very much applies. so basically what, they're going to fragment the republic into little irrelevant shards full of really stuborn / ingroup-loyal otakus as a path to survival ? lulzk.
BingoBoingo: Well, scared enough Bloomberg is hailing the arrival of Soros to "crypto" today
mircea_popescu: pretty sure they know who we are, in the very strict sense of "i've spent my past six months having nightmares with these doods"
mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rjtFr/?raw=true << lolz. teh usg is very, very affraid, made EVEN COOLER alt-tmsr!!! it'll work as well as all the cooler bitcoins it made to date NO DOUBT1!11
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 17:35 phf: they are more of a suckless spinoff
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it strikes me how strictly identical to early urbit this thing is. same sort of socialist revolution aggitated "building the future" can barely contain selves on chair sorta vibe.
mircea_popescu: the way dept of state "think tanks" imagine creating "moderate rebel" leadership works is you have a fake one to protect the real one like a skirting.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes my read is that __20h__ is ~bob beck in the outfit.
mircea_popescu: "<Evil_Bob> C-Keen: read the fucking backlog, im not going to repeat myself" lol. perhaps the idea is that one's required to maintain connection as a show of loyalty. a soert of "mining" if you will.
ben_vulpes: "This is forbidden and will be punished." in response to my asking if they kept logs
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how'd they have seen such logs ?
hanbot: latest in mp-wp saga: spyked's patch on vtools let me gpr build the phf's patcher and vdiff, latter of which made a genesis, former of which dies on pressing wiff: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2IVPp/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: called our logs "insane" and "good source of entropy" if you can imagine the cheek
TomServo: I can't believe I guessed correctly what she meant before the reveal. Namespace dyslexia somehow clued me.
BingoBoingo: Last one here was in 2016 out in Rocha where the lobos marinos live
ave1: asciilifeform, yes I know, I've not tried to separate AdaCore's ada from AdaCore's gcc backend (to FSF gcc backend). AdaCore's gcc backend has significant canges from FSF. As this would be an interesting experiment, I will put it on the list (other thing to do, is put Ada 2017 on top of gcc 4.9.4 instead of 7.x)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The figure claimed leaves lots of room for comfort
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: keep in mind that the figure claimed concerns the included turdroid or whatever it comes with. in practice we do not know whether proper linux would work similarly. somebody will have to try.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Battery life on the rockchip portable looks VERY appealing
asciilifeform: ave1: abolishing the standard library would make it quite painless to port gnat to anything to which gcc already has a backend. but as it is, the existence of crappla gnat doesn't help us any, the abi is completely different
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of hanbot from 3 to 4 << lighting the fire under republican asses
ave1: btw, turns out AdaCore have implemented support for crapple IOS (arm 64 + macho) in their gcc, this cannot be found in fsf gcc's. But needs #ifs and #ifdefs, one line was #ifdef MACHO_TARGET, but should have been #if.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 17:50 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for your peace of mind, i intend to publish qntra report once mpex proxies back online, seems rather silly otherwise. not forgotten or mothballed or anything.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793578 << Kinda what I figured. I remember last time the proxies went on strike there were forensics involved. Most of my worries atm concern being surrounded by the sort of Rustic so called salt of the earth Italians that they put in the background of Gringo tourism marketing
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 20:22 asciilifeform: ave1: your gnat builder barfs 40 minutes in, incidentally, with the following death : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ftgUL/?raw=true ( last n lines )
ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793340, yes I realized last night, I've been working on fixing it. I found the first problem, now onto the next (etc.)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the lulzy tales : late last night i went into girl's room cuz i couldn't sleep and wanted to play. she was asleep. she woke up startled, and then i could see panic grip her. and i was you know, all "don't worry baby, you're not in trouble, there's nothing wrong" and she was looking at me with these big and growing eyes and turning progressively whiteer.
asciilifeform: also learned that there exists a rockchip laptop, of sorts, 'asus c101pa', but i do not have one here , if someone has the time/inclination he can try it.
asciilifeform: in other noose, 'rockchip' turns out is a completely usable and clean gentoo station. can be used as workstation also, if not in a hurry. ( running 100% asciilifeform-recipe gentoo, albeit not musltronic; running also self-built kernel; no eggogs, hiccups, good disk access times. the 1 item not yet built with own hands: uboot init thing )
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 17:38 trinque: well christ, they have a manifesto right there at the top.
mircea_popescu: "Home to 146,998 users Who authored 5,033,248" << whoa, this is way the fuck tinier than previously realised. for ALL. THE. NOISE. people have been making about how it's "up and coming" since at least 2-3 years ago...
mircea_popescu: MDude things you've done is a point of interest. places you've been... unless you have naked chicks in the streets of the czech republic / parks of buenos aires / dunes of egypt etc, no.
MDude: I was answering the question, but if you want to see what other specific places I've been there's https://meticulac.tumblr.com/find-me .
mircea_popescu: MDude "most places" is not something. stop giving summaries, stop talking around the point. either produce something specific or stfu.
MDude: I've just gone by MDude/MDude1350 most places until recently, when I started taking up the handle Meticulac.
mircea_popescu: check that out, doods who can promise monday delivery for utf-8 on wednesday night, AND THEN DELIVER IT MONDAY. but what they spend their time is utf. holy hell that place.
mircea_popescu: i always thought plan9 is this hipster wankish thing ; didn't realise it played the role of noldbug ie official-inca-alternative-for-smart-retards
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for your peace of mind, i intend to publish qntra report once mpex proxies back online, seems rather silly otherwise. not forgotten or mothballed or anything.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plan9 was the full syphilitic bloom of 'second system disease' of the unix authors
mircea_popescu: is plan9 somehow deeply related to unicrap, or is it rather they're the sort of geeky dweebs unlikely to ~not~ swallow the imperial hook all the way to the sinker ?
TomServo: Wasn't that the power ranger response to MP request to specify bitcoin?
TomServo: I expect MP will love "Software should be written for programmers, which means the code is the documentation,"
TomServo: Yup, they are not interesting.
asciilifeform: 'The gopher onion initiative started.' << lol!
phf: they are more of a suckless spinoff
asciilifeform: TomServo: lol, just how comically idiot was the parody-tmsr ? do they use dsa keys, kept in keybase ? their mp is bulgarian ? their linux -- rathead ?
TomServo: I fell down the gopherhole after phf mentioned it.. came across a pseudo-tmsr 'bitreich'.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 16:20 phf: re upstack, there's been a resurgence of sorts of gopher protocol, various hipsters spinning up personal websites, etc. whether the resurgence was shortlived or i'm just late to the game, but there's already a community of wreckers (one of them groups is coming from this federated twitter platform, mastodon) discussing all the various ways that they want to "improve" gopher, tls, utf-8, markdown renderer, "minimal subset of html", etc. but at the same
trinque: what brings you MDude, other than itchy-stump need for in-group signaling?
MDude: Anyway, I think there were a few things I was thinking of for a bit, one of them being gopher://vernunftzentrum.de/0/ckeen/ciy-manifesto.txt .
MDude: Now to remember the thing I was going to say roughly five seconds before joining the channel.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/duterte-receives-support-from-russia-and-china-as-usg-state-spurns-another-longtime-ally/ << Qntra - Duterte Receives Support From Russia And China As USG.STATE Spurns Another Longtime Ally
asciilifeform: in other noose : 52 minutes for complete kernel build for rockchip, on itself.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, the girls make almond milk ocasionally.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/traditional-family-vs-the-harem-a-comparative-study/ << Trilema - Traditional family vs the harem, a comparative study
asciilifeform: in other noose, ~143MB/s avg. reads , ~33MB/s writes, on samsung usb3 stick ( vs ~20 / 15 on sd prior )
asciilifeform: ah the oats one
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's '80s acorn coffee 'nervously smokes in the corner' compared to this
asciilifeform: reminds me, i was in a train station, and everywhere there were billboards pushing 'milk of the future'(tm)(r), made --no, not from soy even -- but recycled peas.
trinque: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Clang#Clang_environments << hey you can test the glorious future today
asciilifeform: i'm almost surprised there is any gcc left in'ere
asciilifeform: trinque: the interesting part is that it comes back ~after repeated manual removal~ somehow
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793445 << yep, they put the smoker's warning label on it
gabriel_laddel: lobbes http://mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm is why Uncle Al is known, though the rest of his work is great. There are 2-3 other pages that go along with it if you really dig
ben_vulpes: these turds you dig up, asciilifeform
asciilifeform: trinque, other gentooists : another interesting discovery : portage has a hard ( but wholly imho spurious ) dependency on working system clock
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: afaik the 220 is a cheapo and plentiful rubbish box
ben_vulpes: is that the difficult-to-replace version?
gabriel_laddel: managed to kill a x220 circuit board by swapping the screen to another, identical while machine was running. is this the sort of thing to 'fry' circuitry, and as a general rule I suppose no life fire electronics around CPUs?
gabriel_laddel: beetlejuice is suffering gainful employment writing java for the time being
asciilifeform: 'This post is literally the sort of thing trigger warnings were invented for' << elsewhere in $link
asciilifeform: something ran out. at any rate i did not expect to see him return to same heathenpit
mircea_popescu: so maybe his phd / patience with the idiocy ran out.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagine the way that works is "about one third of the class of phds hanging about mass campuses".
asciilifeform: another interesting... character reappears in $thread , 'cousin_it' << iirc , a ru d00d, who was what passed for intellectual backbone of the lw forum until formally expelled for -- iirc -- pissing on the 'roko's basilisk' chix
mircea_popescu: which exactly, so you can live from now on in the full serenity of knowing that it's perfectly possible you've been kissing my ass a number of times to date. all the best."
mircea_popescu: sadly i'm too lazy to translate http://trilema.com/2010/familia-traditionala-versus-harem-studiu-comparativ/ ; but the comments are pretty riotous. sampler : "in closing, permit me to inform you that i've taken a shit into one of those cups you drink jeebus blood from, in some church somewhere, as well as washed my cock post-ejaculation in one of those water holders somewhere in some other church. but i'm not going to mention
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: oh hey it's the 'my cunt is offended and redpillists are hereby unofficially banned from the forum' critter
mircea_popescu: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/WX6kWkAKsESoD4yrf/misery-pits << o look who came back from the dead, also. chick famous for "i'll sign prenup to have all my kids paternity-checked because i'm just too much of a cum dumpster to know otherwise" / being the ~only sexually active female in this coven of "polyamory", absent since the last time we heard of this whole thing.
asciilifeform: 'Superforecasting: The Art and Science of Prediction. .... This book is essential reading for all thinking people. I’m not going to write a new review here—I think the existing reviews do it justice...' << bahahawat
asciilifeform: 'EDIT 2017-10-28: DO NOT DO THIS! Dropbox have changed their API, and Netmemo has failed to update to use the new one. I emailed the developer and got no response. Don’t use Netmemo Plus. I want a button on my Android phone that drops voice notes into my GTD inbox.'
mircea_popescu: i think they call this research.
mircea_popescu: this whole thing's tiny, basically the wank of ~one campus.
mircea_popescu: o look, the dgerard fellow also makes an appearance! lel.
asciilifeform: ye olde 'These old versions of toolchain packages (binutils, gcc, glibc) are no longer officially supported and are not suitable for general use. Using these packages can result in build failures (and possible breakage) for many packages, and may leave your system vulnerable to known security exploits' nonsense.
mircea_popescu: supposedly these are rare. i imagine for the sort of dweebs that spew all this maculature they would be.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "unicorn" in context is the traditional soubrette : young woman eager to [sexually, and otherwise] please both master and mistress.
asciilifeform: in other noose, liftoff on rockchip-cum-usb3-ssd
mircea_popescu: recruited as a unicorn by a Neurologist at a hospital in town. She abandoned me and our middle child who has Autism. She took the youngest and oldest boy and they are considered now Mitchs children. So, excuse me if I cant be open minded enough to understand this. I dont. It hurts incredibly bad and I dont understand how a doctor, with a wife and six children, could steal my wife and try to take my children."
mircea_popescu: oh, oh, look, there's even a bit of mittelamerica in there! "I came home from my tour in the US Army in the Middle East. I have only been back two months. My wife and I have three children. We have been married for ten years. I came back and Sarah had changed. Didnt want anything to do with me. This is typical for returning Veterans so I figured it would just take time. Fast forward to now, I just discovered, she has been
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/04/05/4-months-in-montevideo/ << Bingo Blog - 4 Months In Montevideo
mircea_popescu: they both have little rituals associated, consume information cooked a certain way FOR IT BEING THUS COOKED and not for other reasons, and so following.
mircea_popescu: but the girl who genuinely believes her little village is everything and being a dairy maid is the be all (great little novel about this, with nobleman who married dairy maid, ended up making the dutchess a... dairy) is not substantially different from the guy who thinks mercury salts will right him.
mircea_popescu: diseases are in fact the best framework for conceptualizing subcultures -- that's what they are, broken people. broken how is relatively uninteresting.
asciilifeform: then this also
asciilifeform: dunno that 'subculture' is the word. sorta like calling syphilis a subculture
mircea_popescu: basically this wikipedian wankster thing seems to be a major-ish neet subculture. evidently under the whole chems thing, or guns, or "baptist"ism / most other first echelon things. but perhaps large enough to make 2nd tier, with post-punk, petaism, and so forth. a sort of mirror-knitting subculture, i guess.
mircea_popescu: "Robin Hanson is right that no-one wants to speak up for the low-status males for fear of being grouped with them. I for one feel compelled to make clear from the outset that Im a *terribly* high status male who is *overwhelmed* with interest from women, and am only speaking up for those less fortunate than me out of the purest generosity of spirit" << this guy : https://mindsarentmagic.org/
mircea_popescu: i don't envy any man the miserable but required portions of his job.
asciilifeform: come to think of it, a little proxy box ( make out of ~anything, even pogo ) would handily do the job. think 'chinese firewall https stripper' for home lan.
asciilifeform: the 1 other httpsism i can think of that isn't escapable is www sites of iron-sellers. though for this one could use a dedicated toilet.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 21:04 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793241 << i've been living for half a year now simply rejecting all websites what are https-only and implement idiotic "modern" ciphers. items such as github etc no longer load for me, and i tell you i don't particularly weep the demise of a bunch of retarded pantsuitsites.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793393 << a quite astonishing amount of proggy, incl. items that cannot be done without unless you can make yer own ic ( errything from the lattice 'ice' proggy, to device drivers for ~100% of extant iron ) is imprisoned in shithub. nao however once it is sprung from this jail -- it is sprung.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 19:12 trinque: I admittedly *don't* use bash in battlefield, but privately on the workbench
trinque: from there, can consider *their* portage the "overlay", and can port things over as they come
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 19:04 asciilifeform: i can see an argument for retaining an ability to emulate a sslistic client, for http-fetching heathenware when absolutely must . but beyond this -- it Must Die
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793241 << i've been living for half a year now simply rejecting all websites what are https-only and implement idiotic "modern" ciphers. items such as github etc no longer load for me, and i tell you i don't particularly weep the demise of a bunch of retarded pantsuitsites.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 18:59 asciilifeform: unrelatedly, trinque , ever looked into purging sslism from gentoo ? in particular the existence of /etc/ca-certificates.conf and its contents as a ~mandatory package, i find quite irritating
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 18:45 trinque: rce isn't the only thing that'd be interesting, even cpu bog-down or mem usage DoS would be relevant to staying at the front of the chain.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793228 << it's certainly not the case there's nothing interesting to find digging. it may be premature, in his case, but w/e.
mircea_popescu: that they don't understand how anyone else might not be, and wtf "good fucking luck hitting ME with your piddly 30 gram bullets lmao" sort of sociopathy is this!!!1
mircea_popescu: and so following. people with hallucinated options at the ready are ~ballistic gelatin.
mircea_popescu: this is because, you realise, "soldiering wasn't the job THEY HAD CHOSEN FOR THEMSELVES". because "they didn't give a damn about whatever political axe you have to grind, just wanted..."
ben_vulpes: "i mean didja ever read about how the khans army could kill entire cities, and the populations would stand in the fields weeping and waiting their turn?"
mircea_popescu: yet that's what the "moderate rebels" are supposedly managing, "majority revolutions".
trinque tries hard to imagine "majority" revolution, fails. herd mechanics always on the other end of the pointy stick.
mircea_popescu: the faster the nutty dozen run for the bayonetts, the faster ^ 3 the pantsuit run for the hills.
mircea_popescu: "but won't anyone charge ?" "of course some will" "so won't that rally the others ?" "no, very much the opposite -- in making plain the difference between actually being a hero and larping, it'll bring home to the idiots that they REALLY have no business being there."
mircea_popescu: ution", ready-arm-fire and there's a fresh set of 80 or so bodies, teh crowd will do something other than what it does when "omg there's a shooting". like i dunno, charge the firing squad with bare hands or other "why didn't the jews burn down auschwitz mommy ?"
mircea_popescu: trinque> all anyone does today is larp, from chiraq to palestine << word. and the larp that they do is always and very amusingly a sort of first-person-cool. i was explaining a coupla days ago the mechanics of "pantsuit uprising" and how firing a line would send the whole field of 'em packing to deeply disbelieving girly. she honestly thought that if i march a 100 strong regiment to the sider of a 100`000 strong "color revol
trinque: minor barfs such as douchebag's might just be the sound of purging, who knows til later
trinque: I came in more or less ideologically amenable, and yet said "oh god, not a bunch of redpillers" and left, the first encounter.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the left is actually cognitively incapable of representing tmsr, from my measurements. about as safe as rats in cretacic.
mircea_popescu: part of the problem with these mediocre but ambitious shitstains is that they're so repetitive.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> trinque: fulla gold, e.g. 'Yes, mathematics can be decolonised. Heres how to begin' <<< ye olde "e=mc^2 is a sexed equation" wank ?
trinque: see: stormer and their "brand"
asciilifeform: prolly long ago. can't picture why else asciilifeform , mod6 , ben_vulpes , other nato inmates doing their treasonous thing here, are still alive
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you've never lost a gun either i imagine
trinque: asciilifeform: at what point does the cultural gap become so wide you're intelligible to the gassers?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 20:07 mircea_popescu: we have the perfect mechanism of antipantsuit publishing ; http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770196 . what's the "color of bits" pantsuit system supposed to do, get trinque to swear in court you sent it to him ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: quite relatedly, i had to calm a panicking millenial down recently "oh give over; the left is more interested in beating up on the right and vice versa than either are in the online shenanigans of a few crackpot bitcoin holders"
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 20:12 mircea_popescu: this is such a direct equivalent of yesterday's ballistic-gellatin wank it's starting to draw out a profile (for what i previously called the wikitard, but i guess lesswrong is just a particularily thick cloud of them) : asocial beta male that has managed to move the conceptual universe of cartoons into "real life" such as they live it.
ben_vulpes: "you must further decolonize yourself!"
ben_vulpes: the science must fall video is epic, dood gets severely caned for daring to suggest that the notion a witch doctor can call lightning down upon ones enemis is not true
asciilifeform: by a 'Karin Brodie Professor of Education and Mathematics Education, University of the Witwatersrand' didjaknow.
asciilifeform: trinque: fulla gold, e.g. 'Yes, mathematics can be decolonised. Here’s how to begin'
asciilifeform: ave1: your gnat builder barfs 40 minutes in, incidentally, with the following death : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ftgUL/?raw=true ( last n lines )
ben_vulpes: mmm subject of science https://theconversation.com/decolonise-science-time-to-end-another-imperial-era-89189
mircea_popescu: then they believe (pretend to "think critically", but do no such thing, simply believe) rank nonsense like "global warming" because... THE MODEL!!! the model reminds them of the simplified characters in the manga they loved as children and the general deus-ex-machina atmosphere fits well with their only formative experiences.
mircea_popescu: seinfeld's superman comics and cereal eating habits meet the yudkowski "oh, on the basis of the behaviours of the three goats we have back at camp, women like dweebs" and the "lalala i can't hear you, us army bb gun is very efficient when fired at gelatin 5 feet away and the fact that you'll never get that close nor ever have to fight large blobs irl IS NOT IN MY FIELD OF VISION"
mircea_popescu: this is such a direct equivalent of yesterday's ballistic-gellatin wank it's starting to draw out a profile (for what i previously called the wikitard, but i guess lesswrong is just a particularily thick cloud of them) : asocial beta male that has managed to move the conceptual universe of cartoons into "real life" such as they live it.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478250 << in other lulz, apparently scott alexander $item was actually well known ; what a fucking riot that yakkster mcyakkunson is, " most women might not bother trying to step down from there to men who radiate less kindness." hurr!
mircea_popescu: or perhaps we get the monumental lulz of http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/ with its "1. I am a Special Agent (SA) of the United States Secret Service (USSS), and have been so employed for approximately three and one half years. In my experience totallies!"
mircea_popescu: we have the perfect mechanism of antipantsuit publishing ; http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770196 . what's the "color of bits" pantsuit system supposed to do, get trinque to swear in court you sent it to him ?
mircea_popescu: n a stalemate over it for weeks, and the whole time the patient was tearfully begging the doctor to release her. I cannot tell you how much willpower it took not to sneak into the patients room and yell at her JUST AGREE TO GO TO THE REHAB AND THEN DONT DO IT, YOU IDIOT."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, what, walk me throiugh this. let's use lesswrong codex as a basis. so : 1. you are in the hospital for "maybe wanting to kill yourself", after having made ill advised 1970s comments to 2010s paki diversity-"doctor" ; 2. "I remember working with a doctor who wanted to discharge his patient to some kind of outpatient drug rehab. The patient refused to go, so the doctor wouldnt discharge her, and they were i
asciilifeform: (supposing coin-bearing heathens were to appear)
asciilifeform: though will add, unlike shared-hosting service, there is little to no practical barrier to leasing these out to heathens
asciilifeform: for that matter, would also like to measure demand in l1/l2 for these, as a whole
asciilifeform: in other quasi-noose : asciilifeform currently taking suggestions re what proggies ought to live in a 'standard' arm-gentoo image that will be supplied to rockchip boxen subscribers
asciilifeform: lol next krebs will ring the alarm re 'new, exciting' (... 200 yrs ago! but who needs this detail ) scam of lifting Official seals from paper with potato
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 17:01 asciilifeform: ave1: we had just the other day a thread re 'gnat pro'. it's interesting, in principle, but i sure as fucking daylight ain't ever signing nonredistribution oaths for a compiler
trinque: eh you have no idea how to react to the young, no offense.
asciilifeform: at any rate such probabilities and plausibilities only even in theory matter when a d00d walks in and 'hey i am such greatness'. if walks in with pill for rsa or whichever -- dun have to ask anyone to believe anyffin. or for that matter to walk in at a..
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 16:36 asciilifeform: trinque: theoretically 'every private has a marshal's baton in his knapsack', but realistically it is not esp. likely that 'popping trb' had to wait for this 1 d00d to turn 19 or what he was.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck used feculent in a sentence! i was just explaining it yest!
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 16:32 ave1: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793119, with this script http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-a-signature/ it is possible to build a cross compiler for aarch64, I will try to use this cross-compiler to then create a native compiler.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 16:31 trinque wonders if douchebag realizes what useful work it'd be, to know how easily trb nodes can be popped, given that the wallet will of course have to be sitting right there, with same permissions, on same box, and etc
asciilifeform: possibly phf knows who was responsible for this. i'd like for the name to enter the logs.
asciilifeform: but the path is HARDCODED IN
asciilifeform: in other lulz, sbcl apparently mildly broken on arm64: builds 100% but then ' can't find core file at /usr/lib/sbcl//sbcl.core '
trinque: I admittedly *don't* use bash in battlefield, but privately on the workbench
trinque: busybox default doesn't preclude there being a bash ebuild neh?
asciilifeform: ( and at future date then readily transposable to a sane, nonunixoid os )
asciilifeform: imho the long-term answer is '3rd way' , i.e. all the crud i wrote in bash, python, etc over the years really oughta be in the hypothetical little-lisp-in-ada from old thread.
trinque: the embedded constraint would, I'd wager, place a constraint on amount of shitgnomaticism to creep in.
asciilifeform: good chunk of the installed packages on typical gentoo box is really liquishit
trinque has a busybox userland-golf experiment on the workbench
asciilifeform: and the number can probably be reduced considerably
trinque: this is the primary item on my workbench atm
trinque: and we have to eat all of portage, or we'll be in the position I was in when I handed current cuntoo script to diana_coman
trinque: but, if already saying we'll be curating ebuilds I don't see much of a point of the latter