ckanggirl: eclectic as in, taste that doesnt necessarily fall in line with the rest of society
ckanggirl: omg, i love the turtles!
ckanggirl: but as they say, hindsight is always 20/20
ckanggirl: oh wow, ive heard about some very eclectic types like that, i must say im envious they can pursue what they enjoy
mircea_popescu: and stick around, this collection of drunks gets in legal trouble ALLLL the time.
ckanggirl: this is the first time ive ever heard of it
ckanggirl: but I work with my mother's law firm
mircea_popescu: so what do you do, other than going to bdsm shows ?
ckanggirl: could I bring a another girl friend?
mircea_popescu: hey there.
cassidy3: Certainly, she may be interested in the picture stuff as well, I am going to dinner tonight with her I will see if shes interested 😃
cassidy3: What did you have in mind? My best GF does sketches all the time for tattoos I can see what she comes up with.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-29 05:42 mircea_popescu: i'm toying with the idea of sponsoring a comic. you ever seen oglaf ?
cassidy3: Its fun, but by the end you are ready to get far away and into a shower.
ben_vulpes: who tests the testers
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the who ?
ben_vulpes: i'm particularly fond of the scawwy stowies about how the funsies will just sit in your spinal fluid forever
mircea_popescu: eh, even in the 90s most girlies couldn't afford to BUY their acid, wut is this, the future ?
ben_vulpes: are there drugs for sale at raves anymore?
ben_vulpes: heavy drug use will fry your cns, kids. be careful out there.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-09#1794956 << "One day a student came to Moon and said: "I understand how to make a better garbage collector. We must keep a reference count of the pointers to each cons." Moon patiently told the student the following story: "One day a student came to Moon and said: I understand how to make a better garbage collector..."
cassidy3: I do regret all the tats now, but I went though a period and went a bit nuts
mod6: And in the case here, we have 1 more for each vpatch, where the extra one matches one already in the set. If I were to check each one to the other, then I think it'd be better, and avoid this problem. So I'm kinda working on a solution now.
mod6: I've been digging in here for about 15 minutes, and I've found the spot where we eject out those two vpatches. And the reason is that I do a kinda shitty check. Where I just compare that the number of node edges is equal to the number of expected.
mod6: I suspect, that there are others in the Republic now that could help me overcome that a bit; whether, phf, asciilifeform, or diana_coman.
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, would like to do that one. main reason i stuffed it in a drawer for the time being was that I was getting some really crumby performance with the manual string handling I was doing.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-09 15:16 mircea_popescu: the good news for you mod6 being that you don't really have to do anything ; v.pl is fine as it is, for now, and once phf has a prototype walker you can just move on to that and it'll be cheaper. continue work on your ada guy in the meanwhile at your leisure, seems we're converging that way.
mod6: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-4-9#328866 << ok cool. sounds good. the ada part here is to phf right? or do you mean my not-yet-fully-baked ada vtron?
BingoBoingo: Whereas the hooker massages are just massages
BingoBoingo: The big brainfuck in this country is that "Thai Massage" is how they refer to the thing without the happy ending
mircea_popescu: somehow the longer the plaintive wail of the "went to college! independent professional woman!" went, the pornier it sounded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by the way, saw an add somewhere which went like "hello, this is massage therapist. no seriously, not sex whatsoever. this is medical. please don't wink wink nudge nudge."
hanbot: dunno til you try, eh? lol message therapist
jurov miserad Certified Message Therapist, thought oddly fitting
mircea_popescu: you telling me it's just a squeaky toy for the pets of masseusses to pass the time with ?!
mircea_popescu: i thought the web was an industry.
hanbot: and in today's leet media outlets, siegemedia.com's phone # goes to voicemail (via googlevoice! state your name and it'll "try to connect you"!) to Emily Zeller, Certified Massage Therapist.
cassidy3: The infamous!
asciilifeform: cassidy3: this is in fact where mircea_popescu lives. you might have to wait a few hrs for him to wake up, however. meanwhile there is a log, http://btcbase.org/log , and you can read it or even speak 'into' it, he will read later at his leisure.
mircea_popescu: er" is exactly like having two broken cars on your front lawn. gimme the porsche and let me be, wtf.
mircea_popescu: and no, "anything is content for someone" dun fucking hold. this is the direct equivalent of the "dating site" fallacy, whereby "eveyone has a special someone matching them put on this earth by our infantile protestant notion of god" becomes a "scientific blabla" (ie, http://trilema.com/2015/the-lulz-in-dating/#selection-69.0-89.459 ). bullshit. most people are broken, and the idea that they'll be "harmoniously broken togeth
mircea_popescu: i mean, if i bother to pick it up and mock it it maybe becomes content, on a slow day. but there's one of me and at last count >50mn of the idiots.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-31 16:58 mircea_popescu: "Four years ago this month, I found out that Jane Pratt the editor that had made me want to be an editor since I was 12 years old had chosen me to be the beauty director of her new xoJane beauty spinoff, xoVain. OK, so I was actually her second choice her first had fallen through but that was OK. I had previously not even pitched to xoJane because I was so intimidated and sure I'd be rejected, so getting hired
mircea_popescu: why exactly is this needed, vice couldn't handle the volume of all the useless crap fat ugly whores spewed out for $5 a title ?
mircea_popescu: their top stories being... "i grepped reddit for a string", "here is some shannonized nonsense about a topic too large for enric durany to touch", "how a kid from sf started a school in india" and ON AND ON.
mircea_popescu: what fucking content, hackernoon is pompously "where hackers give a shit" except omitting to discuss how slashdot sold to spammers for exactly the sex traffic value above, and slashdot ACTUALLY WAS a place hackers gave a shiot about, unlike hackernews, say, idle pretense aside.
asciilifeform: they cost ~0 to birth. like shitcoins.
mircea_popescu: and they're all there because a bunch of business school majors truly imagine they can compete for gatekeeping ; and "content will come"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's also an endless supply of the "totally not the same thing as this" "platforms", medium, that shitty thing with "i made $0.05 with this post" reddit tip bot extension and so on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what REALLY happened was that rms got in everyone's way with his usual "i'm dumb and slow" routine, so they took a decade to route around him
mircea_popescu: and it's exactly the reason "sex trafficking" is a problem, also. >99% of females have entirely no value whatsoever, as pigs are cheaper to butcher. of those, 14% or so have some resale value as fucktoys, generally in the bitcent to 0.1 btc range.
asciilifeform: pen-source Twitter-like experience for the masses' << ahahahawaat
asciilifeform: '...a re-implementation of the GNU Social codebase, which itself is ... an implementation of the OStatus protocol, originally forking from the GNU FM project and later merging with the StatusNet and FreeSocial projects, from the same people behind Identi.ca, which was later folded into pump.io, which uses the ActivityStreams spec along with protocols like PubSubHubBub, Salmon, WebFinger, and Atom syndication to deliver a federated, o
mircea_popescu: the problem is that people have absolutely nothing to say to anyone.
mircea_popescu: the "problem" of "social media" isn't that people lack the place, methods and mechanisms whereby to communicate their interesting, valuable etcetera verbiage.
mircea_popescu: https://hackernoon.com/mastodon-is-dead-in-the-water-888c10e8abb1 << this tard just spent 5k words to dance about "solutions" to a problem he imagines, and somehow magically never landing on "pop up a server and put mp-wp on it ; it'll do pingbacks and that's that."
mircea_popescu: in the sense that spending your life going through battlefields looking for sellable scrap metal is fun. africa's fulla this fun.
mircea_popescu: and i include greenspun in the idiots pile. along with the rest of the "luminaries".
mircea_popescu: it only exists because a group of idiots that had no business touching computers nevertheless got some, and their only "idea" was "hey... we should try and control how people display data on their own machines"
mircea_popescu: anyway, re earlier discussion : i find it fucking hilarious that the webtards are actually trying to rebuild bulletin boards. "great improvement over php, ruby!". douchebags, php only exists because of your shit-headed "web" hallucination!
asciilifeform: opposite, those make for great reception where there ought have been none
asciilifeform: in city, your connection depends ~100% on the particular tower you're standing ~next to
phf: i wonder if it's the phone itself though, but i fail to see how the reception quality would degrade :o
asciilifeform: phf: supposedly tmobile keeping 2g alive for another 2y
a111: Logged on 2018-03-26 07:31 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-19#1788278 << i've discovered similar, my 3g phone barely has signal and doesn't last more than a day in san francisco. presumably because the number of 3g supporting towers is significantly lower here
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-26#1789663 << actually i'm not experiencing the same in the dc area, i wonder if tmobile has some sort of 3g wind down thing going
ben_vulpes: the transmission web interface is fine
mircea_popescu: PLUS you get for the first time now the best thing ever : your guy can a) learn (say, spells) and b) equip, items. because there's meaningful effects to have.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "move that crate to the left, but NOT YET or else that weird plant shoots you as it's exactly diagonal"
mircea_popescu: phf the spec here is "have a library of good films accessible to friends" rather than "i want to watch something between blowjobs"
phf: deluge looks workable, but i've never used it. i used https://transmissionbt.com/ but not their web interface
mircea_popescu: this'd be like... the definitive platformer.
mircea_popescu: but the bonus gravity is a good idea.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, there's no firing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, here's an idea : think sokoban, but extended so that 1. there's enemies, which can kill you, and 2. you can actually shoot projectiles at them. take advantage of diagonal/straight piercing/exploding and of course destroyable/nondestroyable movable/non movable environment.
phf: aria2, i think it has a web interface even, but the whole thing is entirely automatic. cron to hoover up torrents from ~/Downloads, ssh them into a box folder, sleep based script picks it up on other end, feeds it to aria, when finished downloading writes it to an rss and also to a directory that's expose through apache
mircea_popescu: phf what are you using btw ? i'm thinking deluge, apparently has a web interface can just get the girlies set up with.
asciilifeform: aha, is the point
asciilifeform: i suspect there's su-era nostalgia keeping the thing alive. sorta how in jp old farts are ~100% of whale meat market, because mcarthur fed it to'em back in the day
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: traditional ru dub is either 1 voice, or ('classy!') 2, male/female
mircea_popescu: phf the notion that you'll have a local capable of the delivery of any arbitrary actor... really ? kozlov gonna sound like marylin ? slim ? etcetera ?
mircea_popescu: 481 * 9 = 4329, ie more than the hd i bought. not cheap.
phf: but yeah dub world is funny. heated debates over whether translation by say borodinsky or kozlov are better
phf: i don't at present recode them because space is cheap
asciilifeform: and thus the box can breed copies of self
phf: well, i download the 9gb versions, and have a script that keeps only one specific audio track. the whole thing is a semi manual process though, since i have to select the right track by ear, etc.
asciilifeform: btw i oughta say a word re how rockchiptron reproduces. i wrote a bit of script, ./breed_boot.sh /dev/sd_whatever_cardreader_with_card_in_it -- produces copy of the boot card ; ./breed_root.sh /dev/large_enuff_disk copies the root partition contents onto a new part on said disk
mircea_popescu: kinda why i have 0 interest in teh ruworld torrents, nfi who told these folks it's ok to hire some tolomak to do say richard burton. wtf.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: all of the machines in the rack are being used; i was asking if one of the rockchips can handle this kind of duty.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this was a q for ben_vulpes , who has seen what's in the rack and knows if any empty holes
phf: don't need fat pipe to torrent for backups, will just take long time. my torrent box is on a very thin line, and i just set the upload/download max clients seed ratio etc. appropriately
mircea_popescu: holy shit they're expensive now. i just bought a 4tb toshiba for ~100 bux locally ; seems item is like 120 or so online ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: please to spec it out, yr the hardware guy. would this get attached to one of the rockchips?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you want to include a mechanical hdd or 2 in the cargo, it is not too late
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's a low spec computer (mostly, two huge disks, otherwiuse modest) ; but anyway, something to grow into.
mircea_popescu: al schwartz's "believe it or not ketamine dun work" has a lot to do with "well... you've been to the dentist all these many years ?"
asciilifeform: my local drmengele is, believe or not, the opposite : 'you dun need it' -- proceeds to drill without painkiller. asciilifeform -- used it it by nao
mircea_popescu: anyway, and she wanted to put me under! and i was naw, go ahead. took some convincing, and by the time she was halfway through she was sweating profusely and had the shakes. "but doesn't it hurt ?!?!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not just usian disease anymore. i had some work done recently, very pretty girl, quite competent (sadly, being a good dentist requires the steady hand only a properly developed brain can produce. retards can't ever be sharpshooters, dentists, surgeons etc because dubious genetics -> dubios fenotype -> too ungaitly assymetric to perform)
asciilifeform: ^ this is what american dentists do much of the time
mircea_popescu: if dentists were programmers they wouldn't have any need for drills, just cement over cavities and then cement over that.
asciilifeform: quite the opposite, in fact
asciilifeform: as i understand this even is brainrot from 10y ago; present-day rubyists do not even see the x.y.ago.ago.ago , but 'program' in 'libraries' written by same ( or perhaps even by a generation of 2 of 'programmers in libraries' )
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-4-9#328859 << sadly don't actually have the hardware or pipe for this atm
a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 18:18 mircea_popescu: oh, hey, I KNEW this was gonna be in there. a) "I recommend using quaternion variables to represent two things: an object's rotation, and/or a rotation which you'd like to apply to some object." ; b) "You cannot represent rotations of greater than 180 degrees with Quaternions, and when doing a Slerp() or MoveTowards() rotation with Quaternions, the rotation always take the shortest path. So if you need to rotate more than 180
mircea_popescu: let's preserve http://wiki.c2.com/?StupidPetTricks here, because it's as fine example of the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591184 "euler quaternions" idiotic bullshit.
asciilifeform: '... But managing public keys is hard for most users ... The reality is that most people do not want to run their own web servers or social network nodes. They want to engage with the web through friendlier platforms' << sop prikokeism , snoar
asciilifeform: rather than ruby per se
mircea_popescu: all these fucktards, you know. oh, "smashing success". dude, it's an off the cuff item gets done if it even needs any doing over a weekend.
phf: fwiw i have it, i'll put mine online in the next day or two
mircea_popescu: it's just what they do, born fluffers.
mircea_popescu: ("oh mp, that's racis, it just went unreported before" "your mother went unreported.")
mircea_popescu: (fun fact : installing security cameras increases the chances of sex act occuring in the space like 30x)
asciilifeform: nuffing new under the sun : obscurantist claptrap with 'arcane tech' flavouring was hip in 16th c ! consider the court alchemists.
mircea_popescu: there's millions of eyes on it, don't you know ?!
mircea_popescu: it's a means of expression, you udnerstand this ? emo mostly died because it was evidently pointless, to the poor misunderstood darlings themselves, "all this '''poetry''' that does nothing, not even rhyme."
asciilifeform spoke with several folx who make a living in it, they all 'wtf go download prebuilt vm'
asciilifeform: these opensores folx seem to exist to make ye olde microshit look compact, bug-free, runnable
mircea_popescu: (this is whart you get if you permit chelsea barabas and other knitters into "tech" : inept articles about how "my ass is really really fat and the couch is really really comfortable".)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at one point i wanted to run the client for 1 of these ( i forget which, maybe 'mastodon' ) and barfed : GB of ruby
mircea_popescu: https://www.wired.com/story/decentralized-social-networks-sound-great-too-bad-theyll-never-work/ << i take this as a pretty reliable counter-signal. after all it's in fucking wired.
asciilifeform: 'here you can have a stock kernel tarball' 'here have a stock gcc' 'but can i rebuild the contents of $box?' '...'
asciilifeform: ^ and for that matter ~every 'we sell linux-based machine' vendor on the fucking planet
asciilifeform: ( orig . 'the wolves are fed, but the sheep are whole' , i.e. all parties walk away content )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, something about how "my delicious cake is in the fridge"
mircea_popescu: it's all an exercise in paper-over, and their only incentive is to claim surface.
mircea_popescu: the motivations are transparently unprincipled. i mean -- they published "support" at the bottom, which 100% consists of cheap linkbait by assholes a la "pump.io" and so forth. support my foot.
asciilifeform: the ways these typically end : a) (most common) simply evaporates, no record of wtf happened to the case b) violator supposedly kowtows, 'complies' -- which 100% of the time in practice consists of putting up a tarball ~with the lifted orig turd~, none of the 'viral' provisions of gpl are given any attention at all , but hilariously the plaintiff ~eats this~
mircea_popescu: no because germany is not a handpuppet. it has like, courts and shit. respek the sovereign cumrag!
mircea_popescu: they lifted most of the linux kernel (the expensiuve parts, anyway. then https://sfconservancy.org/news/2015/mar/05/vmware-lawsuit/
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 20:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is not even clear to me that eben moglen (note, not rms) gpl experiment , i.e. 'use copyrasty against itself', worked for a short while ( to naked eye it would seem that it did, bsd routines got subsumed into microshit, gnu -- not , but there ~are~ alternative plausible explanations that don't involve 'fear of gpl violation' )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there was also that hellvig lawsuit (which afaik went exactly the same place all other "rule of law" challenges to notes-from-stalin ever went)
asciilifeform: (y'know, the thing that swaps registers in and out, traps i/o for simulating disk/nic, etc)
asciilifeform: and the only iron trickery in virtualizers is re: the amd64( and intel's clone ) vmization extensions
asciilifeform: there's a number of variously-working clones nao, e.g. 'virtualbox'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: their src iirc leaked in 2012
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone looked into the guts of vmware's esx (now "esxi") see how exactly it does the hardware driving (ie which bsd it lifted from) ?
trinque: girlfriend's pop is from east texas, where the coon-ass leaks over from louisiana. any time he cooks something tasty, it's "I put my foot in that!"
mircea_popescu: yup. with icecream between the toes
mircea_popescu: and in today's funny spanish lesson : pie, in spanish, means foot. this, of course, does not prevent the uppity coffee house i favour from being all international and offering pie de manzana.
mircea_popescu: the good news for you mod6 being that you don't really have to do anything ; v.pl is fine as it is, for now, and once phf has a prototype walker you can just move on to that and it'll be cheaper. continue work on your ada guy in the meanwhile at your leisure, seems we're converging that way.
douchebag: That's what I told them, but you know how women are
trinque: typically I run them in 24hrs or fewer.
trinque: get to them both in a bit. doing some surgery.
douchebag: trinque: One of the girls is wondering when the transactions from last night will go through
mircea_popescu is commissioning a new server with a 1gbps unmetered port to act as a torrent client, because i've finally decided i wish to keep copies of all the films i review.
trinque: wont be the vtronic portage just yet, but yeah, I can install an entirely usable gentoo for ya.
mircea_popescu: soo trinque, can i hire you to install your blessed gentoo in there ?
mircea_popescu: in other sads : "can install following OS for you: Centos 6 and 7; Debian, 6, 7 and 8; Ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04; Ubuntu Desktop; Esxi 5.5 and 6.5; Windows 7 Pro and 10 Pro (trial versions); Windows Server 2008, 2012 and 2016; or we can provide your KVM or IPMI access and you can install your own custom OS like Gentoo e,t,c"
mircea_popescu: (the great win being 注：爱比特.聂意译，翻译的不一定准确，也可能理解的完全相反，欢迎高手指教。~aka attention: my translation is not necessarily accurate, trilema may very well mean the exact opposite. such is the world of experts.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's lots of mfa using my name / stuff. apparently i'm a valuable google adwords item.
mircea_popescu: but the devil is in the details. consider how this flows : "so mp, do you want a gui ?" "uh ok" "should it have any buttons on it ?" "kinda what a gui is" "every button will have to be specified, as to location, as to..." "just get on with it" "6mb, will that be cash or check on other people's time ?" "motherfucker..."
asciilifeform: ( speaking of entomological horror, today found https://archive.li/Efx3S in the glue trap : one of those chinese shannonized btc-flavoured liquishit items, but this time claiming to be a trilema article ! )
mircea_popescu: well the genesis is multi-mb isn't it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am in horrified awe of the recent realisation that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-07#1793799
mircea_popescu: the easiest press walk may in principle become very VERY expensive on large enough projects (in terms of the bitcoin blockchain large, 6 digit patches with 1-3 digit files included each it'd be a true unassailable nightmare). but then again it also bakes in some incentive to NOT DO THAT.
mircea_popescu: phf i guess next on your plate is make a prototype proper grapher for all time ? then mod6 can put that in v and avoid further such wtfs.
mircea_popescu: yeah. so on one hand indeed the problem was as suspected ; but on the other hand phf is correct and yes the graph IS constrained.
phf: obviously that works because btcbase produces the correct dependency graph
phf: fwiw there's no ambiguity in the patchset, the dependency graph _is constrained_. but you can't make that constraint rule based, you can e.g. discover that constraint by walking the graph while keeping the track of the checksums of the press (i suspect there's a smarter graph theoretical way of doing it, but a "press walk" is the easiest).
mircea_popescu: which is a useful warning, because in principle if $1 and $2 could both delivered wanted $file, but the author intended for $1 to be used, $2 might produce different $otherfile than author needed, and then you can't press because your hashes no longer match downstream"
mod6: mircea_popescu: i can try the leftmost trunck on phf's viewer, but not right this minute. maybe in a few hours. i'm pinned down in the mud. gotta kill the guy in the pillbox first.
mod6: mircea_popescu: well, for instance, it would be nice if I'd have put a statement in the release version that yells when it throws a vpatch out for rule breakage.
mircea_popescu: it's not directly clear just ~how~ it could be more verbose here, seeing how it doesn't magically know all the "meanings" we associate to the patches themselves.
mod6: So indeed, better failure messages are needed. And if we're going to allow this type of strange project structures, that'll have to get built into the rules.
mod6: alf already instructed me a number of months ago to be more verbose about failures. I didn't get that done as much on the last release as I was trying to limit the scope to the last change for the press-paths.
mircea_popescu: (which is not even wrong, as the serial application of patches from different branches can result in a messed up codebase ; but it could be more verbose about what happened)
mircea_popescu: mod6 i suspect we ran into a novel situation : if there's ambiguous file usage in multi-head bundles, v panics.
mircea_popescu: a right. hanbot do me a favour : download ~only~ those patches which are in the leftmost trunk seen on phf's viewer (so exclude vtools_vdiff_sha, and its dependents) and try to flow again ?
phf: mircea_popescu: that's one of the 98BA's
mircea_popescu: phf what is the vdiff_sha_fixes_newline_gcc link to vtools_fixes_static_tohex ? as now apparently the two patches are entirely disjunct, did you update or something ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> textile engineering !? << You know... Applied HAIR THEORY!
mod6: If you understand my meaning. I.e. I would need to add an exception to the rule for that.
mod6: So made routines that do just that. There almost certainly is not a built in case where two antecedents have the same output hashes and can use a single in that csae.
mod6: Before we said "all antecedents must be present for a descendant to be in the flow".
mircea_popescu: phf i looked at the patch itself.
phf: the one before that
mod6: i need to do a deep debugging session to figure out the root cause.
mod6: there is a reason that those two vpatches are being thrown out.
phf: mod6: all are there
mod6: I'm hoping that phf will look at my latest link and audit that for me. I've pulled everything from : http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/
mod6: Someone needs to write and maintain a proper V for the republic.
mod6: I don't have time to debug this shit now. but at some point I'll have to actually look at this project and try to figure out what the graph is ~supposed~ to look like and why my V chokes on it.
mod6: I have no fucking idea what is going on. alf - that's really weird. im using the following patches/seals, and I'm getting this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RrM1h/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2018-04-09 06:34 mircea_popescu: that's the fucking problem! the vtools_fixes_static_tohex uses xalloc.h 98BA when it should instead use its own line (earlier) version of C89B.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-09#1794530 << you can see two lines going into vtools_fixes_static_tohex, one from vdiff_fixes_newline_gcc and another from vdiff_sha_fixes_newline_gcc. they are both from 98BA and either should satisfy the requirement. the other two lines in are from vtools_vpatch only for 7EBF and 02A0.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-09 05:04 mod6: 3) Check the flow, see that vtools_fixes_static_tohex.vpatch is not in the flow, and check to ensure that the seal verifies, and it dows
shinohai: Will be happy to serve as extra set of eyes if you want to dig further mod6
a111: Logged on 2018-04-09 04:25 hanbot: phf et al: attempted to press latest vtools to the keccak head. v (mod6's) reports vtools_vpatch_newline not in flow, neither its antecedent vtools_fixes_static_tohex, despite both patches and (verified good) sigs present (they neither show up via flow command). v will press to vtools_vpatch.vpatch, but no further. see http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oNRhE/?raw=true .
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mircea_popescu: that's the fucking problem! the vtools_fixes_static_tohex uses xalloc.h 98BA when it should instead use its own line (earlier) version of C89B.
mircea_popescu: phf oh! it tries to press vdiff_sha / etc because they're actually a dependency for tohex ?! why did you write it this way ?
phf: here's a potentially useful picture for those who want to meditate on the antecedent graph, http://btcbase.org/data/vtools/graph-with-hunks.svg it shows individual hunk linkages though unlabeled
mircea_popescu: phf it's incomprehensible to me as the manifest.txt varies wildly.
phf: i can only say that i think that btcbase presser is doing the same thing, with the "5 steps down keccak and 2 steps down sha", but the grapher doesn't. i think grapher uses more Graph Theory, but i neither remember what the difference is, nor can i debug it now (was about to go to sleep myself)
mircea_popescu: this makes no sense. basically it goes 5 steps down the keccak tree and then jumps to step 1 and 2 on the sha tree.
mircea_popescu: mod6 ok here's what i don't understand : for some reason the "flow" goes from vtools_vpatch, which is in the keccak line, to vdiff_sha_fixes, which is in the other line (sha line).
mod6: this was removed in the "ante_check"
mircea_popescu: death("HEAD: $press[1] not found in flow\n") if !grep /^$press[1]$/, @flow << this specifically. how can it fail if it lists the item in flow ?
mod6: i don't think im the right person for this.
mircea_popescu: mod6 but specifically as to the point, can you see why v.pl spits out that error message there ? am i right in reading the script as "if the file is not found by name" ?
mircea_popescu: i still don't know why they don't ; but as far as i can see there isn't an actual problem with his patches or seals.
mod6: this violates rules that we've previously put in place then.
mircea_popescu: as long as the patches don't collide, ie, have the same hash ; and as long as they're properly chained and signed they should press.
mod6: oh, im specifically talking about the patch set from your latest post.
mircea_popescu: mod6 no, listen, i don't see what the problem you see is. so a number of different patches, which are themselves distinct, nevertheless depend on the same version of a file (here, xaloc). this isn't, nor can be a problem ; and was not a prtoblem before, either.
phf: mod6: this might've been encountered before, but i'm talking about the vtools patchset that was there before regrind
mod6: then both vdiff_sha_static.vpatch and vtools_fixes_static_tohex.vpatch try to use the same input.
mod6: here's where two vpatches have the same outputs for 'xalloc.h'
mod6: phf: i thought last time we encountered a problem like this we dropped out a vpatch, then it was fine.
mircea_popescu is thoroughly confused through the working of his own ineptitude, will need a moment to extract self.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-09 05:23 mod6: this is different than what i'm saying. the two distinct vpatches, 'vdiff_sha_fixes_newline_gcc.vpatch' and 'vdiff_fixes_newline_gcc.vpatch', contain the same output, '98ba7212fafa4a61f6d6096f1a2953a67a70fcf185965ed7199a223f6897c9b9f2996d391a3f363282236889413973d0beada0e36d57068549bea672fd110d8d'
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-09#1794461 << that was already the case in the previous patchset
mircea_popescu: oh damn i did do the same file. buffer failure.
mod6: 'vtools_fixes_static_tohex.vpatch' is not the only one to be dropped out, so is 'vdiff_sha_static.vpatch'; i didn't notice on the first pass.
mod6: there is more going on here.
mod6: this is different than what i'm saying. the two distinct vpatches, 'vdiff_sha_fixes_newline_gcc.vpatch' and 'vdiff_fixes_newline_gcc.vpatch', contain the same output, '98ba7212fafa4a61f6d6096f1a2953a67a70fcf185965ed7199a223f6897c9b9f2996d391a3f363282236889413973d0beada0e36d57068549bea672fd110d8d'
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> omf they do : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MOixj/?raw=true << here I think you inadvertantly curled & diffed the same files.
mircea_popescu: mod6 well i dun see how we can have collisions and live. i can't even understand how the fuck this was possible, two patches with DIFFERENT antecedents hash-colliding ?!
mircea_popescu: phf dude you did the conflict wth is this!
mod6: and a good question, is this a problem for 'theory of v' ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> oh, they don't, they just have the same antecedent. why is this a problem ? << im not sure at this point. could be an edge case im not catching, or could be buried in old rules built into my v.
mod6: 'vdiff_sha_fixes_newline_gcc.vpatch' and 'vdiff_fixes_newline_gcc.vpatch' indeed have the same output hash.