zx2c4: or some combination of the above
zx2c4: for example, when your static longterm keys are compromised, but the ephemeral keys have not been compromised, since they're erased/renewed every 2 minutes
zx2c4: key compromise impersonation is what happens when somebody steals your private key, and then can impersonate anybody else _to_ you
asciilifeform: expland please re the latter
zx2c4: - authentication in the first message, so that unauthenticated packets arent replied to, hence ensuring things are stealthy
asciilifeform: ( i grasp the connectionless scheme , having prototyped a similar item )
zx2c4: - wireguard doesnt expose any state to the administrator. there's either an interface or there isnt. theres no concept of "connection". with a very simple timer state machine, we're able to completely hide all details from the sender side
asciilifeform: how's that ? you can encipher a symmetric key in an rsagram , and that's 1 packet. then 1 packet back to ack receipt. neh ?
zx2c4: - wireguard isn't chatty. when you're not sending traffic, it shuts up and you cant tell its there
zx2c4: - the whole cryptokey routing table thing is very important for making things extremely simple. it pairs the identity of a public key with the ip address someone is allowed to be inside the tunnel. no fancy security marks or whatever from ipsec bloat
zx2c4: - extremely simple configuration interface. short base64 25519 pubkeys you can paste around through any means. simple config files. everything happens on the interface level.
zx2c4: indeed. i guess you could call the property 'stealthiness'
asciilifeform: hence the interest in zx2c4's published item
a111: Logged on 2015-01-07 01:22 asciilifeform: with udp, you can make the 'friend or foe?' decision upon receipt of a single (!) packet.
asciilifeform: 'silent to unauthorized packets' is a good thing, and some of the folx here, incl. asciilifeform , are working on systems with this property (e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-07#967274 )
zx2c4: - denial of service resistance. as mentioned, you should be able to put this on the outer edge of a network
zx2c4: - no dynamic memory allocation. all the memory used by wireguard should be allocated at configuration time, not in response to incoming packets.
zx2c4: - minimal state machine, as mentioned above, which means 1-RTT: if something goes wrong with a message being dropped, the solution is always to just "start over the protocol", since it's only 1-RTT. this saves amazing amounts of complexity
zx2c4: - silent to unauthorized packets. if you dont know there's a wireguard endpoint there and don't have credentials to talk to it, you can't get it to respond to anything. so, you cant scan for endpoints. this makes it a good thing to put on the outer edge of your network.
zx2c4: then on top of that i wanted a few nice properties:
zx2c4: wireguard is supposed to be implementable using simple algorithms with as small of a state machine as possible, so that the code size and complexity is kept at a minimum. in otherwords, it aims to be easily auditable so that people can actually read it and feel confident that it doesnt have horrible vulnerabilities. with massive codebases and highly complex designs like openvpn or ipsec, this obviously isnt possible. so with wireguard i was trying
zx2c4: are you interested in learning about the security properties i had in mind when designing wireguard?
zx2c4: it's small, minimal, has the flexibility to be exactly what i needed and nothing larger. makes conservative choices. fits into the security model i was aiming for with the implementation properties i was looking for. i was also involved with noise from very early on, so several concerns and needs i had with wireguard got factored into noise. and since noise is a very interesting framework, it's now receiving much needed academic attention in
asciilifeform: zx2c4: how did you select the 'noise' protocol ?
zx2c4: hello. mircea_popescu asked me to come here for two hours to field some questions about wireguard from you all. i'm not very familiar with this channel or the community in it, but i am happy to talk to whomever about wireguard. so let's start the timer now?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 04:24 mircea_popescu: and in other logs, "CL-Feed-Parser/0.0.00 (SBCL 1.4.5; Linux;"
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1796749 <-- that's probably my thing, I've been playing with it for the last two weeks or so, I have it in a loop grabbing feeds from republican blogs.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-19#1701034 <-- /me now wonders whether e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-19#1701034 could have been "illuminated" in any other way than through whipping. it is what it is, isn't it?
ckang: cant get behind all this 3d printer fanboy stuff, its just not a good substrate with the current materials for anything you want to last somewhat longterm
ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EadTe/?raw=true << either star trek smoke and mirrors or the stuff of boyhood dreams (sabre anti freeze)
ben_vulpes: ah there it is
mircea_popescu: this is what they spec.
ben_vulpes: why would the intake stream have to get that cold?
ben_vulpes: basic principle is to dump the heat from intake into the onboard lh2 supply, boil a bit off to turn the pumps, and then cut over to internal supplies once out of the atmosphere.
ben_vulpes: yeah, they did some really impressive work with fine pipe drawing for the intercooler, and some Black Fucking Magic to keep hell from freezing over
ben_vulpes: buncha british poofs have a magical ambient-air-breathing-theoretically-up-to-mach-5 rocket engine system
ben_vulpes: awww shit reaction engines limited bezzled boeing and rolls-royce into pouring another pile of bezzlars into the sabre engine
britknee: i feel smarter having read all the stuff above but still have no clue what it means lol
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ << and updated with the largest single day slutcrop yet!
trinque will get to these tomorrow, girls
trinque: somewhere a star printer screeches with the sound of titties.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do you realise the 0.5 is measured through dns and all that ? did you do same with nginx ?
mircea_popescu: yaya. until there's some load on it./
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nginx can serve hanbots in .01s, not the .6 of apache
mircea_popescu: it has nothing to do with apache ; let everyone who isn't hanbot fix their mp-wp
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-12 06:49 ben_vulpes: hanbot danielpbarron: apache with mod_php is, sadly, much slower than the nginx setup we've had until now. however now we can move forward with getting your .htaccess files set up and uploads and such. i'm going to knock off for now but please let me know how i can support your mp-wp projects next.
ben_vulpes: i am still flabbergasted that it takes apache 2.7 seconds to render what nginx can do with the fpm pool in a tenth of a second.
britknee: most of my friends are pretty talentless, one can sign but the rest, nothing special i know of
britknee: but i have my friends who would show you their tots !
britknee: i dont know if i can get them on irccloud though is only thing
sashahsas: Oh, thats right, I completely forgot about that but the name is familiar.
mircea_popescu: the hot ones, most definitely.
sashahsas: Nope, just heard them through media, TV, news and such.
mircea_popescu: "chinese head-breaker". this makes sense, to them.
mircea_popescu: sashahsas you don't speak french ? it's how the frenchies say "puzzle".
sashahsas: I need to download a thesaurus or dictionary to understand that sentence I think
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes why don't you just put it in production and then futz with optimisation, like normal people ? do you not know anything about webdev ?
ben_vulpes: omg where is the apache listen port configured asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: sashahsas let's try it this way then : amanap : lanac-anal panama
trinque: this is just the first time I encountered "vantucky"
trinque: ben_vulpes lives in the john deere part of pacific nw
trinque: nah I mean the place
mircea_popescu: sashahsas so what's the best palindrome you know ?
sashahsas: The right keyboard helps a lot with predictive text
sashahsas: Some can navigate the entire city looking at a phone screen lol
mircea_popescu: i don't hang out with them.
sashahsas: So many people do it though unfortunately these days.
ben_vulpes: well it successfully redirects me to the index and the admin login page now when using a consumer browser; not that that's much of an indicator that things aren't deeply fucked within
mircea_popescu: i don't even know that it knows what a port is or what to do with the colon.
mircea_popescu: i don't believe it's either apache or mysql. i expect is unhappy interaction between your ad-hoc dns mapping and mp-wp.
mircea_popescu: it must know its own address ; either put it in normally or else i guess edit wp-settings.php to contain your nutty self-reference
mircea_popescu: ah, lol. are you referencing the mp-wp as "localhost:800/whatever/index.php" ?
mircea_popescu: is your mp-wp isntall depending on eg a theme you don't have referencing images that don't exist or w/e ?\
mircea_popescu: ok so then, you don;'t have an apache problem.
ben_vulpes: try phpinfo.php and then index.php
ben_vulpes: 2.7 to serve the index.php from my copy of mp-wp
ben_vulpes: moreover i got the same behavior out of the php_fpm and proxy setup last night, but had trouble believing my eyes. now i've reproduced it with mod_php and am just as baffled.
mircea_popescu: how do you measure the 2.7 second ?
ben_vulpes: okay now for the next wtf: phpinfo returns instantly, i can open a database connection from php and query for the number of tables, but when i use the mp-wp index.php shit slows to a 2.7 second crawl
mircea_popescu: well... here, let's show instead http://trilema.com/2018/the-snows-of-ten-years-ago-almost/
sashahsas: But I enjoy the calm
ben_vulpes: there are a few threading models in apache as i understand it, prefork, worker and event
mircea_popescu: and in other logs, "CL-Feed-Parser/0.0.00 (SBCL 1.4.5; Linux;"
britknee: Sorry, I didn't know it was out in the open 😮
mircea_popescu: so then why not say so
britknee: Hey dear, I believe you are the one I was told to speak with
asciilifeform: lol reminds me of the d00d who wanted to rename FUCKGOATS
mircea_popescu: that'd be the day.
ckang: anyways it was a good discussion i will follow up with him tomorrow, however removing that phrase from the topic might go a long way in smoothing things over a bit
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 04:18 mircea_popescu: lol so in the end ns1/ns2.qntra.net are the pizarro nameservers ?
ckang: well, i can understand his point though. theres a lot of 'proper' types on freenode
ckang: i just want to see this happen, think it would be good for his stuff from a codebase perspective to have other smart eyes looking over the implementation
mod6: lol, i didn't even see that the topic changed.
mircea_popescu: ckang i got the same impression.
ckang: mircea_popescu: hes just worried about his nick being associated with a group that calls themselves a terrorist organization, I suggested that he maybe create an alt nick for the purpose of the discussion and also told him it would be a great review of the project since you all know a good bit about the stuff
ckang: ill look for her tonight shes normally on late during the week
hanbot: on the mp-wp newsfront, i've a pressed genesis via phf's lastest leftwards/keccak vtools. am waiting on pizarro folks to get apache & mod_rewrite going so i can test it and see to the initial patches it'll need.
mircea_popescu: douchebag qr code it's not one thing, it has like 30 different versions. there's tiny 21 module v1 to > 150 x 150 modules later. a mid sized item is about 3-400 bits.
saturn_: roomates were bothering me!
saturn_: sorry about the wait!
asciilifeform: ( or even actual sunlight. print in sunscreen cream. then expose.. )
trinque: douchebag: if you're wondering for the girls, pubkey ass tattoo is totally feasible
trinque: douchebag: I forget the actual limit, but can always break it up into multiple
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 16:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796253 << if only. bitcoin would fail the exact same tests today. it's built out of windows basically.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796332 <-- but one can, by reading the orig. paper, decompose it into windowses that then can be replaced, e.g. http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ . granted, it took me years to peel off the layers of understanding and I'm still not quite there yet, but this is completely different from $formal_verification_devoid_of_meaning.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 15:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796242 << this is a problem of how you phrase your questions. see, the fundamental, and apparently enduring, cockroach here is that you have an "in-control" mental model you won't diverge from, and it is disabling for your mental process in the following way : you judge "you can't contribute" arbitrarily, and damagingly, in the exact sense contemplated in http://trilema.com/2014/a-conceit-or
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796272 <-- I'ma examine this cockroach. but tbh, it may be that it's just difficult to be constructive in a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796086 way. for all I know, the thing could be modellable in a simpler way, only they never considered this. imho serious (yet not at all helpful) question if they ever tune in.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 15:38 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796216 << the whole thing is phrased as "asking questions". one can never be in a rabbit hole so deep they can't ask questions. it's not your job to make any determination, so why stress.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796265 <-- hey, no stress at all, I (out of curiosity) explored the verification $thing down to the 2nd level of "rabbit hole" and found nothing there worth being scrutinized. going deeper might reveal some questions, but I'm not gonna go sharpen the machete for "crypto protocols" jungle just to get there.
spyked: yeah, zappa is famous among others for having written some of the "most difficult to interpret songs ever". he then started arranging for sequenced instruments (e.g. synclavier), which rendered the whole idea of "difficult to interpret" useless. e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSAd6pC633A (late? baroque compositions arranged for synclavier)
mircea_popescu: someone should do a complete zappa colection, incidentally. he's one of the few worthy of the naggum treatment.
spyked: the more civilized (i.e. fulla overeducated shitheads, to quote zappa) the country, the greater the fury.
mircea_popescu: ah the importance of civilised countries.
spyked: at some point I should write about how I stumbled upon Loper OS and got pissed off at all computing and started reading the (at the time #b-a) logs. spoiler alert: I was not in ro at the time, but stuck in "civilized" country, which made me even more furious.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/the-strange-case-of-the-red-stapler-and-other-related-stories/ << the year in question.
mircea_popescu: and in other ancient spyked , http://trilema.com/2016/introducing-permanence/#comment-117166 lol
douchebag: mircea_popescu is the man who handles that
trinque: mircea_popescu: still doesn't want to talk to me on either
mircea_popescu: read the logs, too. a lot of better stuff than just hodling.
maximian: mpex.biz is the correct url?
maximian: after S.DICE, I just went into HODL mode and have been mostly enjoying the runup in BTC price
maximian: so I’ve been out of the loop for a long time
lobbes: Re: process restarter, I ended up using a method trinque suggested (in logs somewhere but no time to dig): essentially the bot gets started as a child process to the parent proccess
mircea_popescu: but since i've mentioned good, let it be stated that "Let an ultraintelligent machine be defined as a machine that can far surpass all the intellectual activities of any man however clever. Since the design of machines is one of these intellectual activities, an ultraintelligent machine could design even better machines; there would then unquestionably be an 'intelligence explosion,'" is a self-contradictory definition, entir
shinohai: In fact, I was the one that recommended a solution to lobbes, re: process restarting.
shinohai: Don't want to use process restarter on this box ben_vulpes ... if it goes down I'd rather know why. I don't really trust atlantic anymore tbh
mircea_popescu: we spit on laptopism for some reason we spit on motherhood : to avoid naive heyleeecxen from getting stuck in the glue trap.
shinohai: I dont want to bring the old bot back tbh, new one isn't finished. But will log into shell and restart for the 500th time shortly
asciilifeform: shinohai: welcome back to the doing-things club btw
shinohai: got the Signstek TL866CS so I assume will work
asciilifeform: shinohai: then you'll need only coffee.
asciilifeform: shinohai: the box is readily available in shops in usa also.
mircea_popescu: obviously, the fiction wank is just the same item cycled. but there was a. .. science-fashionabilia in the 80s.
asciilifeform: ( he had a different paint on it, but otherwise same imho )
asciilifeform: shinohai: and in coupla days there will be a ready gentoo image you can try an' download
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall, the thing that got all the inept "science" press hot and bothered in the 80s, and nosnense such as hal 9000 / space odissey etc (ie, the first iteration of "lesswrong" wankery) was a demonstration by sussman & goode that "you can have artificial brains growing in the same way as real ones", ie, neural networks that algorithmically expand
asciilifeform: shinohai: try the c101pa
asciilifeform: how much the chipset differs, i do not know, i have neither one currently , simply no time
shinohai: While asciilifeform is here on subj of rockchips, is this the type of tablet you referred to a few days prior? https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-C201-Chromebook-Rockchip-Lotus/dp/B01EGBAR4W
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone wrote a good post mortem for the self-replicating neural network ? i mean, hal 9000 and all that bs, iue fictional retellings. but the actual story ? no interest among the science-fiction set ?
asciilifeform: in principle there's no reason why every single board needs clock, so long as owner is friends with somebody who does have clock, in same rack
BingoBoingo: I see no need at present. I just imagine ways the board could be pimped. Since it lacks rtc clock, why not go for great rtc clock in Rockchip workstation spec.
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should have used minsky instead, sussman is a) still extant and b) kinda moved away from ai in the idyllic sense towards more practical applications IE SOLD OUT!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo it can be in the next crate , if you can describe why we need one
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 01:44 asciilifeform: in other noose, ~143MB/s avg. reads , ~33MB/s writes, on samsung usb3 stick ( vs ~20 / 15 on sd prior )
asciilifeform: FG pricing, i am leaving to the biznis genius of ben_vulpes & mod6 currently
mircea_popescu: had sussman known how to make an ai in the first place.
asciilifeform: (4) is perhaps worth expanding on : it is special 'headless' , reclaims the memory that would have been eaten by gpu; also disables keyboard/mouse/HID
mircea_popescu: yeah this is pretty interesting. should prolly fg the set.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But unlike the rest, it managed to pass several rounds of the alf sniff test
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: to be fair, this is true of almost all similar boards on the market
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in other noose, asciilifeform found that FG connects to rockchiptron with 10cent straight cable, sans usb << Rockchip workstation just became a lot more interesting
BingoBoingo: If someone want's to write up the failure, may be publishable, but I've got no angle for it other than repeating "stop hitting yourself"
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform found that FG connects to rockchiptron with 10cent straight cable, sans usb
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my thoughts exactly. the swarm of idiots use non-qntra "press", get reality winnings, non-nsa entropy, get etc.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hey, who am i to complain, the folx who dun feel like paying for 'expensive' FG -- are more than welcome to pay the cost of using js prng etc
mircea_popescu: sometimes i wonder how #trilema actually reads from the other side. "i'm a confused girly with adolescent tits and a pretty smile, did they just tell me to go hang naked by the highway ?!?!"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: These are blockchain.info style things where they market "all the crypto happens in your browser window"
heyleeecx: well thanks for all the advice but i have to run ttyl
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: typical 'gox' is moar of a plain paypal / sslism thing, rather than js
mircea_popescu: "* don't take the output of a CSPRNG and pass it through RC4" should have been "don't whiten, fucktard"
BingoBoingo: The lulz are all in that first sentence: "A significant number of past and current cryptocurrency products contain a JavaScript class named SecureRandom(), containing both entropy collection and a PRNG."
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's just enough time left before the middle class extinction event that by the time you're coming out, the mass rape of all your sisters that "knew better" would just be getting underway. maybe you can even help one or two.
mircea_popescu: at least then you'd know you're in jail.
mircea_popescu: no. i am saying get over yourself, be a truckstop hooker for a few years until the middle class is washed out of your hair, then do what can be done.
mircea_popescu: heyleeecx this whole "something i'm good at" is fairytale dust, they took the "prince charming" item and translated it for the "empowered, hear her roar" girly. now you gotta find a prince-charming-thingtodo ? gimme a break.
mircea_popescu: nowadays, they still do the molestation like then, but they've done away with the golden net. outright fucking obscene.
mircea_popescu: asshole "parents" ie child molesters living a century prior at least had the common decency to create a security plan for their fucktoys. yes they kept the "lady" girlies in a cage their whole life, but then also had an entire system whereby someone would come along and marry them.
mircea_popescu: go to the closest highway, preferably wearing shoes only, and see who wants to give you a ride. that's where you start. where do you want to start ffs.
BingoBoingo: Successful's and outcome of doing, and doing is the only way to build skills
mircea_popescu: gotta cut your losses and move on SOMETIME. they were wrong, because stupid&pretentious, forget the whole pile of nonsense and try something else.
mircea_popescu: heyleeecx think about it : you spent however long, 20 years doing what your parents told you, and what's it got you ? a lot of pressure ? the sad situation where you don't know what to do with yourself ?
mircea_popescu: it's hard, you know, middle class parents keep telling girlie she's valuable and important and in charge and whatnot, when none of those are the case. then as adolescence is drawing to an end, all those kited checks of "safety" and "better not have unprotected sex with random people if you're not 100% sure they know your name" come to be paid and well... there's nothing to pay them with.
mircea_popescu: run off with the circus or something.
mircea_popescu: heyleeecx yes, but the problem is likely that you overvalue yourself. which is why all the " LOTTT of pressure" and bs.
douchebag: I have another girl interested
BingoBoingo: Wait, are trying to take over or carve out a safe space to act with impunity? I guess really there isn't a difference.
kittycollector: Pinky & the brain
BingoBoingo: Eh, get him a couple pet hamsters. That'll get the cat healthier.
mircea_popescu: kittycollector try to take over the world!
BingoBoingo: The outdoor cats here are too docile. No OG barncats murdering the shit out of nature here. Sure there's some cats, but there's no fear in the local pigeons
kittycollector: I dont foresee myself traveling over there any time soon.
mircea_popescu: i think istanbul is actually the terran capitol of catempire.
mircea_popescu: i guess. but they have humongous cat culture.
kittycollector: I haven't, seems like its a touchy area at the moment though.
BingoBoingo: That they do.
mircea_popescu: that they do.
kittycollector: Hi mircea_popescu - very sorry I sat down to only a second and ended up falling asleep on the couch 😪
mircea_popescu: yes, but if you don't work and if you don't study, how do you obtain the things that you eat.
heyleeecx: i think psychology would be cool but i dont know if i would be able to handle all of the college stuff
heyleeecx: not right now im still deciding what I want to do with the rest of my life, it's a LOTTT of pressure thats been bothering me for awhile
mircea_popescu: so what do you make, other than accidents, heyleeecx ?
asciilifeform: what happened to the 3's ?
heyleeecx: I messed up the first time and had to re write it oopsie!
heyleeecx: oki gonna write the code now cx
phf: and tbf it was rapidly replaced by quake1, once the engine was released in 99. i'm pretty msu had own port going, because the graybeards (i.e. 22 year old grad students) would sometimes patch things overnight when we ran into bugs
phf: i'm surprised how little mention of it is on the internet. i guess the peculiar multiplayer mode means that it could only be popular in a very few places
mircea_popescu: the bomberman thing i mean
asciilifeform: in other noose, google domains begin to be fw'd in ru
phf: xbomber now sdl bomber, presumably without the multiplayer http://www.linuxmotors.com/SDL_bomber/downloads/
phf: the recommended videos for that arcade sokoban reminded me that there used to be a unix bomberman clone, that had multiplayer implemented by connecting to multiple x11 servers and having each window/connection be a separate player. we used to spend nights at moscow state unix room playing that thing on a local lan
asciilifeform: http://www.bestoldgames.net/eng/old-games/sokoban.php << the ver i had, back in stone age
phf: asciilifeform: i'm just making sure the new feature is sufficiently advertised
mircea_popescu: i never saw the item in youtube above before.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was actually pretty popular, overshadowed imho undeservedly by the less cerebral tetris
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo doesn't she want titmoney ? << Maybe? I am inclined to wait until she tires of paying for things to present the opportunity or I get bored. She's español as a single language and does not understand technology.
asciilifeform: ( i dun need the phonetics, i keyed it in on an actual kbd by hand, know how to sound it lol )
mod6: asciilifeform does have a lot on his plate. maybe one of the newer gentlemen want to try their hand at a bot.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 14:55 spyked: anyway, I can see mircea_popescu's point re "but unlike gossipd, this broken implementation exists!". but unlike, say, Bitcoin, which, broken implementations or not, I can understand by going to the sources, this I can't, at least not without getting myself deep into the slime pit.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796253 << if only. bitcoin would fail the exact same tests today. it's built out of windows basically.
asciilifeform: when asciilifeform is no longer catastrophically swamped with 9000 horrors, will possibly attempt a general-purpose bot ( ideally with real, rather than googlistic, dictionaries even )
mircea_popescu: the translate call ? yeah.
mircea_popescu: sokoban is actually a great item because it correctly exposes a primitive -- not of "social discouse" or w/e the fuck, an actual item of reality.
asciilifeform fell in luvv with 'sokoban' as a boy, it was ~the~ game, and only many yrs later realized the appeal: so much like in actual life, player spends good % of time in 'yer phucked, whether know it or not, all yer moves are futile' state
mircea_popescu: let them be both picked by cranes and moved at great expense.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, that's not even such a bad rule, force escalation. "you got into a mess on your own power, you are forbidden using your own power again until someone else who knows wtf they're doing PUTS YOU IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION".
a111: Logged on 2018-04-04 22:46 mircea_popescu: anyway, since we're reading "slate star codex", ie scott alexander's blog (the pantsuit-annointed official tlp replacement so tlp never actually happened), let's lul together : https://archive.is/Yyblu#selection-1259.852-1259.1460
mircea_popescu: (and this is also why i pronounced http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-one/ as the ultimate hero : because he, unlike "the smarter" lot of them, actually wanted a girlfriend TO USE HER, not so that his dumb head can finally function, oh, $woman-in-head is here to tell me all will be ok, now i can pour myself a glass of milk whereas before--couldn't. this much is categorical advan
asciilifeform: 'It Is Texas Law That When Two Trains Meet Each Other At A Railroad Crossing, Each Shall Come To A Full Stop, And Neither Shall Proceed Until The Other Has Gone'
mircea_popescu: " so they can put that putative exit code into their function calls and function. what the fuck!)
mircea_popescu: (and this is no small matter, the current principal driver of pantsuit popularity among the not-retarded set is exactly this : their dumb mother told them when they were wee kids that they must have the exit code for any function call, and they never examined the idiotic outpour of the useless dumb whore, so there they sit today, unable to act unless some replicant of the original dumb whore whispers in their ear "all is well
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do i care "what it all means in the end". let the end fucking care. and how the hell could any process baked in "$the end". imagine if there was a language which required as part of any function call the exit code of the program. wut ?!
BingoBoingo: In other news after spending a Uruguayo/a free night slaying the Inca in bed my mood is not quite so dismal. As long as there's no "want of a nail" cascades alf shouldn't be greeted by Eeyore. This still does nothing to solve the indexing problem.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's evidently a pile of very simple and very useful questions to ask. "Why not send the time ?".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: picture if the selector on kalash had a 'fires backwards' position.
mircea_popescu: nobody apparently asked "why not send the time ?"
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 12:07 asciilifeform: the 'noise protocol' link is hilarious -- even features the classic leper's bell of nsa committee , the null-cipher
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701858 << incidentally, one of the things that made me chuckle to myself, was the usage of empty enciphered packets to heartbeat.
BingoBoingo: Right, even a classic algo strictly Pagerank google whitelisted to the WoT still wouldn't grep with nuance
mircea_popescu: i need better indexing, and i don't know how the fuck to make it ;/