ascii_lander: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799187 << lol just as i suspected, douchebag yer marching them in and pocketing the coin? how didja convince'em to play ?
mircea_popescu: i thoiught you'd like the ukr-french girl.
ascii_lander: grade-a tits in the great titwave, btw
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 23:06 ascii_lander: we unbent some of the bent moorings, assembled the rockchiptron (due for installation as early as tomorrow)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, whenever, really. not tonight, ima go meet some gal the girls dug up, but in general.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 23:12 ascii_lander: then we go into a shop , 'i'ma buy alcohol to disinfect in, and superglue', then we find alcohol : they sell actual ethyl. like civilized folx!!
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 23:05 ascii_lander: met with BingoBoingo, who put up with my sleepwalking admirably, and showed around in the town ( which rocks, incidentally , apparently errywhere Off the Reservation rocks)
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799242 << Eh, just the ritzy part so far. Nowhere... well, Only a few places ben_vulpes hasn't been.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 21:39 mircea_popescu: maybe the vape thing is destined to one display case in the weird bongs and indian spices shop, i figure.
BingoBoingo: I just got used to all the metal here being sharp, forgot to warn
mod6: <+ascii_lander> we unbent some of the bent moorings, assembled the rockchiptron (due for installation as early as tomorrow) << ok awesome
ascii_lander: then we go into a shop , 'i'ma buy alcohol to disinfect in, and superglue', then we find alcohol : they sell actual ethyl. like civilized folx!!
ascii_lander: in the dc, funnily enuff, on the way out : me:'this place wants to be fancy, americanistic' , then i lean onto the wall with the lift, and the floor number sign prolapses into the wall! i reach in to put it back, schlink, slice finger
ascii_lander: went into the DC also
ascii_lander: we unbent some of the bent moorings, assembled the rockchiptron (due for installation as early as tomorrow)
ascii_lander: met with BingoBoingo, who put up with my sleepwalking admirably, and showed around in the town ( which rocks, incidentally , apparently errywhere Off the Reservation rocks)
douchebag: should i even bother to tell her to show face ?
EvieC: there you go!!!
mircea_popescu: keshaa, i suppose technically the pimp girl owns some hos. but anyways.
keshaa: surely they own a car or something outright lol
mircea_popescu: keshaa, incidentally, do you realise you're like the first titgirl that actually owns something ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 20:26 lobbes: (btw, my hat's off to mod6 for the very descriptive eggog messages in his v-tron. was a snap to troubleshoot)
mircea_popescu: maybe the vape thing is destined to one display case in the weird bongs and indian spices shop, i figure.
keshaa: most of the hardcore users buy online, walk in customers are people just starting
mircea_popescu: sorta like how the sex shops moved on to being "sexy shops", sell knitting paraphenalia and slutty outfits.
mircea_popescu: it looks like they'll forget all about it in a year or two.
keshaa: yea, you 100% need ecommerce these days
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 12:07 diana_coman: do the US tax stuff going *out* now? or why puzzle over it / looks expensive thing?
mircea_popescu: chloeqtpi, well, if you're technicaly inclined and above-average in intelligence you can read through the logs see if you find something useful to do.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799029 << anyway, i wouldn't simplify it quite to that point. obviously there's a pull and there's a push way to make money, and if i propose to some guy, "do x, get y" it's my push not his pull, and obviously if he wants to pull instead of waiting to b pushed aroundhe gotta do pull-y sorta things. but anyways.
mircea_popescu: spyked, on reading further through it seems you weren't actually saying what i thought you were, so no actual disagreement here.
mircea_popescu: chloeqtpi, be a few mins, im not at the sign box right nao.
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with this, but as i pointed out, the foundation dun have 10k btc.
mircea_popescu: s method there's at least half a dozen multi-k btc items about.
mircea_popescu: it's indisputable that the work put in by various republian people is worth money ; and this constitutes an investment they made. nevertheless, how this is evaluated is rather an open question -- according to say zx2c4
mircea_popescu: so there's fellows going about who don't know the cm length of their penis ; and certainly not to the A.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, you don't have a point. take measurement as a more general case. sure we can measure things, but a) we don't oblige everyone to measure everything all the time and b) we certainly don't insist on arbitrary precision.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 10:06 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798435 <-- not sure it's my place to comment on this, but it sounds a lot like the "academic grant" trap that I've fallen into at some point. consider this: the abstraction of money exists so that humans can attribute economic value to things. on the other side of the problem, "creating valuable things for humanity" or for "no concrete labour obligations" are not economically quantifiable (any value,
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799023 << it's definitely your place to comment, seeing how you're all but technically in the l1 ; that's what that's all about, place and even perhaps obligation to comment.
douchebag: i had the honor of taking that photo btw
mircea_popescu: but in no case am i about to conduct a discussion on the basis of microsoft priors tyvm.
mircea_popescu: this "by os you mean preinstalled userland" is 100% windowsism, harking back to the time microsoft produced a userland package called "windows 3.1" and wanted to pretend itself in the os business (a field it arguable NEVER entered)
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 09:49 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798160 <-- I can definitely see this angle. my point is that by giving up the "general-purpose" pretense altogether, the system designer can qualitatively reduce the implicit trust in code running in the system. so yes, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798161 but moreover, one would not expect to find e.g. a pdf processing library in bitcoin node os, as "bitcoin node" can be specced all the way from
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799018 << the notion that there's such a thing or could be such a thing as "resonable expectation" of pre-existing userland on the basis of os is not unlike young women expecting fucking them means they get to reorganize your bathroom.
mircea_popescu: soo lobbes here's one for you : coupla reformed old hookers contemplate going to church. "should we put bras on you think ?" the other one looks out the window "yeah, prolly should, the weater looks moody."
douchebag: mircea_popescu: She's another discord girl
lobbes: (btw, my hat's off to mod6 for the very descriptive eggog messages in his v-tron. was a snap to troubleshoot)
lobbes: removing the robots.txt from .seals was suffecient to fix, but just thought I'd report
lobbes: hm, so I was following install steps for trinque's ircbot-genesis (http://btcbase.org/patches/ircbot-genesis#selection-167.10-167.39) and it looks like the "init http://trinque.org/src/ircbot" step downloads the robots.txt which, upon pressing, barfs with "INVALID SEAL" eggog >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qHlDI/?raw=true
davout: should have synced by the end of next week
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 15:44 david_francois: david_francois: yeah, i got a new server with a SSD raid, I'm planning on getting a update TRB node there, which should be more reliable
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 15:35 BingoBoingo: david_francois: I noticed on of your trb nodes is perenially 100,000 blocks behind. Consider building a new bitcoind with either the asciilifeform or ben_vulpes aggression patches. Vastly improved sync behavior.
BingoBoingo: Will grab the hammer and get a walking
ascii_lander: if you got a claw hammer, then yes
BingoBoingo: That sounds about par for the course
BingoBoingo: You know, the cement
BingoBoingo: La Administración Nacional de Combustibles, Alcohol y Portland tends to stock rather decent food products in their outlets
BingoBoingo: Actually the closest place for icecream to you is on the same block. Walk around the corner to the gas station.
BingoBoingo: In MVD shopping there is yet another La Cigale, Freddo's and the grocery store Tienda Inglesa if you prefer your ice cream in volume.
BingoBoingo: Or if you wait to get to the datacenter there's a few different ones here in the BingoBoingo part of town.
ascii_lander: i'ma wash up & dress etc, bbl at the console in ~halfhr. meanwhile BingoBoingo think of where they have ice cream around here.
ascii_lander: the latter. and streets, complete with sov-style sweepers
BingoBoingo: ascii_lander: Aite, how is the view?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 12:07 diana_coman: do the US tax stuff going *out* now? or why puzzle over it / looks expensive thing?
ascii_lander: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799037 << lol nope, it was the 'tsa' monkey, 'this looked quite exciting on xray'
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 05:34 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so what's the dirt, what happened between the david fish fellow and the al soto fellow ?
deedbot: diana_coman rated spyked 2 << former Fain contributor, known him online for years; writes at http://thetarpit.org/
a111: Logged on 2018-04-02 01:57 lobbes: ^^ q1 auction bot billz (slow quarter!). Mainly for accounting purposes; no rush on collecting due to eulora servers being down and the fact that the sums are a mere 96 satoshi each
diana_coman: do the US tax stuff going *out* now? or why puzzle over it / looks expensive thing?
ascii_lander: even the americans, on letting ~out~, which is imho hilarious
ascii_lander: funnily enuff it was the rockchips that caused the greatest wtf , 'wassis', 'looks expensive'
ascii_lander: iron pawed over by many hands, but in the end unmolested.
spyked: and just to be clear re "economic value": the whole system of academic grants is based upon the lie that "there are enough resources to satisfy everyone". well, there aren't, tough luck. which reduces grant proposals to a very sophisticated way of begging, i.e. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vVpsJnbq3A
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 20:16 mircea_popescu: zx2c4 you'd be terribly worse off, and so would be the bitcoin ecosystem.
spyked: including zero, can pay "no concrete labour obligations", neh?). this is why academic grants and giving away \infty btc like that is such a waste and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798420 . and this is also why "get into business", because it puts your skin in the game and forces you to determine the value of whatever you're selling.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 20:22 zx2c4: the reason is actually, "so that i can have a fixed income without any concrete labor obligations"
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798435 <-- not sure it's my place to comment on this, but it sounds a lot like the "academic grant" trap that I've fallen into at some point. consider this: the abstraction of money exists so that humans can attribute economic value to things. on the other side of the problem, "creating valuable things for humanity" or for "no concrete labour obligations" are not economically quantifiable (any value,
spyked: every time OS insists on pulling in "udev" or "tls" or whatever other packages (tons of examples in the logs), it's because someone wanted to add more "general-purpose" scaffolding.
spyked: user interface, through the os and down to hardware components. which brings us back to the way engineering was done in the olden days, before that weed overdose, i.e. http://archive.is/TRrOE
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 16:21 mircea_popescu: the moment we bake in the assumption that "this is a bitcoin node", suddenly the os is no longer gp ; we'll want a special fs in there etc.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 16:20 mircea_popescu: now then, a "general purpose operating system" is "that set of code which is trusted implicitly", "as long as it makes no particular assumptions about the rest of the code that will run on the machine".
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798160 <-- I can definitely see this angle. my point is that by giving up the "general-purpose" pretense altogether, the system designer can qualitatively reduce the implicit trust in code running in the system. so yes, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798161 but moreover, one would not expect to find e.g. a pdf processing library in bitcoin node os, as "bitcoin node" can be specced all the way from
mircea_popescu: there is no quota on pun, it is all lie and spin.
mircea_popescu: that's rather... maladroit.
redfawnn: fuck gutter, probably the worst I heard
redfawnn: whats the worst you have? term wise for it
mircea_popescu: " ben_vulpes took a dozen hookers and a truck of beer to the nevada desert and was never heard from again "
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so what's the dirt, what happened between the david fish fellow and the al soto fellow ?
mircea_popescu: almost like larping, "one magic spell they used was..."
mircea_popescu: "Darwin also went to The Master's College library and checked out a stack of MacArthur's books about 18 inches high. Normally, they would not allow so many volumes to be lent out all at one time, but in this case, for some reason, they made an exception." << "they were secretly hoping he steals them"
mircea_popescu: hm. i can't help but read this passage as "on my way i got waylaid by these fellows who saw i had dough and well..." ; but then again i'm a cynical sort.
mircea_popescu: o wow, so you were going to brazil and then ended up living with the true church folk ? i had nfi!
mircea_popescu: also, you should probably come do karaoke here. for one thing, there's hookers. for the other thing, they're so enamoured with the idea of english they'll like it whatever it is (not that they'd know). and soo n.
trinque: myeah withdrawal slips have definitely been cat-diddled along the way
mircea_popescu: "A couple weeks later, I get accosted by some drunk chick who heard from a friend that I think women shouldnt be allowed to speak. She argued with me alongside one of her friends that is, I argued some perfectly valid points, while she got increasingly beligerant; much to the friends dismay, who even expressed that I was coming off as the victUAL". jeez this guy's saturday nights!
mircea_popescu: http://thewhet.net/2018/04/mp-wp-genesis/ << interestingly enough, this still doesn't. what's the danielpbarron hanbot difference i wonder.
deedbot: http://pizarro.danielpbarron.com/2018/banned-from-the-rabbit-hole/ << Daniel P. Barron - Banned from The Rabbit Hole
deedbot: http://pizarro.danielpbarron.com/2018/banned-from-the-westbrook-elk%e2%80%99s-club/ << Daniel P. Barron - Banned from the Westbrook Elks Club
deedbot: http://pizarro.danielpbarron.com/2018/yet-another-test/ << Daniel P. Barron - Yet another test
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes incidentally, did p.bvulpes cross the mn mark yet ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the reasoning wasn't tbtf, but rather community-benefit terrible-cost-structure
trinque: I think a 1BTC ceiling would be a satisfactory tolerance for loss from the hot wallet, which I would be able to eat. which is not a promise to eat the thing's losses endlessly either, but on the airgap-wallet side I have enough confidence in the setup that my tolerance is higher.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 01:32 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686438 <<< yes, because you're applying the pretense of statics to a dynamic situation. trinque 's metaphore is very much factual : we were paradopped on hot coals, by the FAULT, inexcusable, and indelible, of our parents. they should have taken care that we do not get dropped on hot coals, as children barely able to move. they did not, and derelict in their first and practically speaking on
trinque: element of this http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686516 every time one thinks about running a serious service on the modern shitpile
trinque: ben_vulpes: that's an accurate rendering of my opinion. I think mircea_popescu was correct in that there's an unavoidable cost of doing business of a startup wallet service.
mod6: Not as much ``tbtf initiatives'' as it is just the larger Republic, neh?
ben_vulpes: thoughts topmost on my stack (after apache arcana) are about the implications of the foundation backing the 'tbtf' initiatives. i know that someone must, but going from a rate of zero in however many years to two in two quarters is worth pausing and thinking for.
ben_vulpes: trinque: rang, asked me to pass on that a) he doesn't need help insuring the hotwallet, and that b) he's thinking really hard about how much of linux and the rest of the stack to insure on his own back, and the moral hazard of doing so
ben_vulpes: 1 btc sounds like it would insure the hotwallet for quite some time, sounds neat but let me think about it
mod6: Anyway, ok. I'm happy to approve seeding the hot-wallet.
mod6: Aha, was thinking that part was a one time thing, The Foundation would indeed run out of money in short order.
mircea_popescu: neither's a good outcome.
mircea_popescu: mod6 you can't afford to pay for development. i appreciate the sentiment, and i'm not saying his work is negligible, but if you count all the IMMENSE amount of devwork the republic has produced, however you add it up you'll either a) be on the hook for more than the foundation has, significantly more, or else b) you'll be stuck taking lowball to the level of insulting people.
mircea_popescu: if he manages to lose it we can have words about maybe another one ; but it'd better not be this year.
mod6: I'd be fine with that. I'd even go a bit further and throw in some extra funding for the development, historical and forward.
mod6: My initial thought was that the Foundation would say, offer a one time engineering fee of 1 BTC. And then also provide insurance for the hot wallet to the tune of say, 1 BTC.
mod6: You're totally making sense. It could be a reoccuring grant; needs to be re-newed yearly (or some interval). I'm not in the best position to have an idea as to what is a sensible amount for the interval.
mircea_popescu: specifically being able to say, "oh, yeah, segwit, whatever, the power ranger's version of deedbot's !!pay, right ?" is a tmsr-wide benefit.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, you know aforehand, when you sit down to read through a patch, that you're gonna spend so long with it, and you'll stop when you stop.
mircea_popescu: well, the idea is that indeed he's on the hook, for a particular type of cost. obviously writing code, reviewing code, testing things, design, graphic or systems, all sorts of things are useful and valuable, and they take people's time. if you spend an hour reading through patches you can't spend that hour petting your dog/kitten/kid whatever.
mod6: Upon approval these can be deeded so we can keep track. I'm starting to have a hard time remembering them all!
mod6: Speaking of which, ben_vulpes, let me know what you think, but to help keep track of these grants, I think the applicants for a Foundation grant, should write up a small document outlining: 1) How much they are requesting, 2) What the intended purpose is for the grant, 3) The Duration (if any, i.e. one year, or one-time, etc), 4) The current block height / date. 5) Signed with WoT Key.
mircea_popescu: another obvious angle here being, hey ben_vulpes mod6, considering the very useful and important work trinque's doing, imo best illustrated by http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1797663 is there any chance he'd get a one time grant from tbf ?
trinque: I think you are right, and I'll just consider this an investment in the thing's growth
douchebag: I just want to have a dedicated box to review these on, and as mircea_popescu mentioned I'll be sent a server
trinque: also there's the radiation damage of the former screaming never again while working on the latter
trinque: never bitten on either side, but want it kept that way
trinque: mircea_popescu: just trying to frontload the decisions so I'm not on my ear when somethign raises its head.
douchebag: I'm definitely going to look into them
mircea_popescu: but i don't judge you all that dizzy, either.
mircea_popescu: now, kako for all his weird was certainly technically competent, so it's not the case that "there lay a trb in the rain".
mircea_popescu: (1 btc worth, it was actually 10, but they came to about 5-10k or such)
mircea_popescu: now, i am in the fortunate position of having valuable experience : bitbet's hotwallet was 1btc ; and it was never popped.
mircea_popescu: you're stuck investing $hotwallet-size * $failure-odds into the business that it could be, like it or not. just like your time.
mircea_popescu: trinque the line i was going on with the "what odds do you give" is that CDB is indelible from the book, stays there in red. cost of carry of capital, goods or otherwise, and so on.
trinque: probably just going to set a ceiling on it, and grow the ceiling over time
mircea_popescu: kinda the dilemma of "democratic society" aka "people have rights / are best judges of how to deploy their own resources" etc. you end up with the walmart world and either you chase the britney spears fanbase or else can't cover costs.
trinque: I'd actually like to find a path to the hot wallet sooner than later, for reasons of getting large enough
mircea_popescu: generally should be able to guess at the time you'd do it today what time'd be convenient tomorrow sorta deal
mircea_popescu: you ~could~ add a deedbot command like !!pending which'd list all pending items and the estimated next send ("Next tx push on Fri, Apr 14 at 8:14 pm -- in 25hours). gives people something to do with their time.
mircea_popescu: kinda how my reasoning went, "he's pretty good at getting tx fees optimized, chances are users won't even notice they're paying, when comparing with $average-webservice."
trinque: txn fees on my recent ones have been something like 0.00001, at the low end
mircea_popescu: (consider that these are uncharacteristically generious txn, most of the world still operates on the 19.95 walmart standard.)
trinque: really depends on whether it's a political or economic reason for attack.
mircea_popescu: what do you evaluate the odds of it getting popped at ?
mircea_popescu: at this phase the incentive should still principally be to streamline things.
trinque: since I am unwilling to bail the thing out if the hotwallet piggy is popped, I have been reluctant to do that.
trinque: still doesn't really pay for me cutting txn; obviously the ideal is I cut txn to refill a hot wallet, bot can use up to hot wallet balance without operator interaction.
trinque: oughta be back on later today, but the ministry of comcast, who knows
trinque: most likely yes. there's an ISP outage.
mircea_popescu: "these facts were factual at some point"
mircea_popescu: it's the way of cia factbooks to be half a decade out of date.
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2016/cia-factbook-the-most-serene-republic/ << Maybe the people and society section needs updating? Maybe it doesn't? Glories of no formal surveys!
mircea_popescu takes advantage of a momentary lull to update the titpost lol
mircea_popescu: jossi to voice yourself, say !!up to deedbot in a pm and then !!v the string it gives you (decrypt its message)
hanbot: http://thewhet.net << lastest post (mod_rewrite ergo links not yet live, or i'd link y'all directly) is mp-wp_genesis. esthlos and anyone else who was waiting on this is encouraged to test it out --setting up a test blog-within-a-blog is gonna be a royal pita and cause yet further delays, so please do try it out, lemme know how it goes.
trinque: I was gonna link http://trilema.com/2016/cia-factbook-the-most-serene-republic/
mircea_popescu: jossi do you see the topic ?
douchebag: alright, when do you think you'll get to processing them
trinque: just dealing with shitty internets for the next howeverlong
douchebag: you got them already?
douchebag: hey trinque but the transactions that already got processed and everything
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 21:57 trinque: eh mircea_popescu internet just went out where the wallet box is located.
trinque: got ya thatbitchlola; going to be moving the wallet to pizarro hosting soon as I can.
mircea_popescu: why thank you. and the good answer ?
jossi: Oh, I am one that doesn't do the worth while stuff :o
mircea_popescu: jossi so other than boutique and not going to school anymore, what do you do ?
thatbitchlola: after going through the process
mircea_popescu: !!rate jossi 1 ukrainian-french girl working for the rich of nyc. wiwa la rebolucion!
jossi: But I don't want to judge the man
jossi: I see what you did there lol
jossi: I suspect he only works with the right cocktail of pills in him lol
mircea_popescu: you figure old man trump's penis pump finally gave up the ghost ?
mircea_popescu: here, the police are lovely chaps. mostly give out directions.
mircea_popescu: yeah, i can't imagine how i'd put up with the nonsense.
jossi: With the extra patrolmen and blockades, but mostly done now
jossi: Trump had the city messed up for quite a bit too
mircea_popescu: what's city life like these days ?
mircea_popescu: from what i hear ukraina sucks these days. how's nyc ?
jossi: The name itself
mircea_popescu: the name is romanian.
trinque: eh mircea_popescu internet just went out where the wallet box is located.
jossi: we sell to the rich, im not rich :(
mircea_popescu: ah, you work there ?
mircea_popescu: will the universe run out of tits before mp runs out of bits ; or will mp run out of bits before the universe runs out of tits ? THE QUESTIONS OF OUR TIME
lauren22: I remember the beans from elementary school somewhat
mircea_popescu: eugenics is the proposition that you can pick good genotypes on the basis of fenotypic cues. this is nonsense, as the genotype is way way deeper than the fenotype. see also http://trilema.com/2015/the-genetics-of-intelligence/ for a broader discussion.
mircea_popescu: see http://trilema.com/2018/traditional-family-vs-the-harem-a-comparative-study/ ; it's expounded
mircea_popescu: no, that's not what i mean. i mean i don't want to play genitorial roulette, i'd rather choose the new members of this family myself.
mircea_popescu: lauren22 ben_vulpes has a coupla, the other married guy left ; i keep slavegirls, most everyone else is vaguer about it.
mircea_popescu: how's the sluttest coming along ?
trinque: douchebag: and when you bring these chicks in here, tell them A) register, B) don't expect trinque hops off what he was doing to immediately cut txn for their precious cuntlet C) once they withdraw, balance is 0 again, because duh
mircea_popescu: why not program ticks then ?
mircea_popescu: trinque resend then ?
trinque: nothing happens if they weren't registered
mircea_popescu: trinque i sent payments they didn't have keys yet, i don't want to resent lest it ends up doublespent.
trinque: so, the girls are bitching they don't have a balance, after having run withdrawal requests, or what?
mircea_popescu: well, in the sense of, do you bash ? do you c ? do you ada ? do you what ?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 i'm sorry, i got confused. " this scandal is why socrates didn't even fucking want plato's disgusting silver. and now think -- that for his great merits, socrates was in fact given by the city "2000 btc"" is what i meant.
lauren22: Cloudflare & lava lamps? Live in the flesh?
lauren22: Watch over my 2 children until they start school
mircea_popescu: and now think -- that for his great merits, aristotle was in fact given by the city "2000 btc", ie exactly what you mean by it, "sufficient money so as i can be a righteous man alone".
mircea_popescu: nevermind phaedo. socrates tried, his whole life, to make people capable of standing on their own. and his products, among which plato is a minor outlier, held that bloody affair, where most of the city was gutted.
zx2c4: not sure i have the same interpretation of phaedo as you
mircea_popescu: do you understand the terrible shame plato was, for socrates ?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 so i take it you're familiar with history as retold by the esl : how socrates died, and how plato did not die.
zx2c4: yea, sure, im pretty certain of what it'd take to be financially viable in either philosophy or jazz music. that's not something universally available and there's a lot of luck involved, however, and even then it's a pretty rough life. it's not even available to all types of philosophy study and all types of jazz music.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 but you are aware how the economics of either greek philosophy or jazz music worked irl ?
douchebag: they both have keys now
zx2c4: for example, i've spent my life studying greek philosophy and playing jazz music, and it doesn't pay anything. hence programming. but the economics of those activities doesn't really relate to their quality or importance
douchebag: let me ask both of them
zx2c4: i don't think so. plenty of people with the necessary leisure study or create literature, philosophy, music, art -- great aspects of civilization for which there isn't always an immediate economic incentive
mircea_popescu: tis infinitely better to be a promising systems developer than to be a guy who wasn't cool enough for the chunk of bitcoin he got.
mircea_popescu: and in all cases the answer comes back again and again, "i was an inadequate successor to a greater past".
zx2c4: some rich kids seem to use their funds to pursue interesting things and deepen their character with those experiences. others waste away their time.
mircea_popescu: "What were you in this life ?" is no small matter. and yes it requires a correct answer ; what's the trust fund do for that ?
mircea_popescu: what do you think the ur-question is ?
zx2c4: the point is that the grandson rarely has problems answering correctly to too many questions that necessitate correct responses
mircea_popescu: occasionally hollywood nuts leave pets behind in the ~same situation also. they get a daily pellet and so on.
mircea_popescu: but what is the difference ? some ancestor decided to preserve his degeneration. as a rock or as a grandson, whatever. are they more than this ?
zx2c4: one difference is that the ruins aren't people, not that they are, obviously. not sure i'm getting your rhetorical point...
mircea_popescu: you're not about to tell me these shambling ruins are people or something.
mircea_popescu: and i know jewish cemeteries with upkept graves. what's the difference ?
zx2c4: i know a lot of rich people with trust funds set up by their ancestors. they receive fixed income every month, and otherwise aren't hassled
mircea_popescu: you have to answer questions, and answer them correctly, and for ~all time.