asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how close is the magic personhood card with which to incorporate ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 16:47 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i recall many sticking points around the flat; wouldja enumerate? water heater, previous flatrental...?
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809228 << Water heater, all of the furnishings, several kinds of deposits. From there a flat incurs utility bills and "gastos communes" monthly. Then there is the matter of whether it is Pizarro's apartment of Bingo's apartment. I am also a bit apprehensive about personally signing yet another 24 month contract totaling in the 5 figure USD range while so much of Pizarro is still being done on a month
BingoBoingo: do shit like buy pants that fit without feeling pressured to itemize the expense would be appreciated. A proposal with less leibenstraum could also be acceptable if it includes lump sum payments for hitting certain milestones.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 16:47 ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform: i dun object; pizarro needs a better foundation than a writhing pile of chinches. i'd like to get a flat down there; this can consolidate the housing and desk expenses and provide i expect much needed moral uplift.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809223 << The cinches seem to be a rather solved problem at this point. Since the Cowork bathroom stopped being a viable location for banging, picking up a hotelroom one night every 8-9 days has helped the morale. I can continue the hostel life for quite some time. The bigger morale hit is... the lack of pocket money and the lack of a clear future where there is more pocket money. Room in the budget to
BingoBoingo: that there are numbers which we didn't have in February it would be a great comfort generally to see the board coming forward with plans, however rough, that at least expand out to a year.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I can come up with a number, but I would like to see a proposal coming from the board that covers a year and moves away from the month to month shoot from the hip approach. A big part of the appeal of submitting to management was outsourcing the worry allocation. Even if it takes a week or two, seeing the board work through the process of putting an offer together so I don't have to stress over assembling an offer. Now
asciilifeform: can't let the delish iron, go to waste.
asciilifeform took the expected day or 2 of pause, chance, to run fermat
asciilifeform: ( thus far reported just the same 2 outputs as in summer of '16 )
asciilifeform: i'ma then feed in the rest of Framedragger's collection; by the time trinque wakes up, oughta be ready to fire.
asciilifeform: but then i could not myself read it!111
mircea_popescu: alternatively you can just 404 the /rss
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 15:40 mircea_popescu: it seems to me ridiculous to a degree bordering on infantilism that it is "impossible" to get the data out after being so complexly massaged into utility ; but be that as it may, let phuctor run and report on its website, the interested will try and sift through whatever it publishes on their own time.
asciilifeform: iirc i described all of the 'fast' pills i could think of, already.
asciilifeform: ( somebody rousted the hamster hill ? i've nfi )
mircea_popescu: apparently they've not earned nirvana just yet.
mircea_popescu: i imagine they'll be kinda happy once dead. finally, relieved from all these burdens too great, the embarassment of existence.
asciilifeform: i for one can't wait for the DAO-connected-to-rockets
mircea_popescu: such luzly cluelessness as to how to win a war, it's possibly the prime field of ustardian bogonism. i mean... they can;'t program computers, sure. but at least the computer doesn't shoot you for being an idiot.
asciilifeform: the robo-politruk, last hoap of ze empire
mircea_popescu: kinda. no, it';s more about how "great idea to have robots in combined arms with humans -- they can tattletale!!!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you should see all the tmsr-wannabe stuff emanating from the usarmy "dept of research", by the way. it's all about "network centric" technologees such as fighting bots with ethical ethics and whatnot. one helluva riot.
asciilifeform: the moar advanced specimens also seem to think that they have academics who 'do research', judges who 'dispense justice', army which 'wins wars', etc
asciilifeform: zx2c4: the logs countain a thousand examples. e.g. most americans are convinced that they can buy and drink milk in the corner shop ( they cannot, they buy 'ultrapasteurized' rubbish that tastes nothing like actual milk) ; that they live in 'nice house' ( they live in equiv of movie set, made of matchsticks, that falls over when first serious gust of wind ), that ... i could go on for a week and not even scratch the surface
mircea_popescu: maybe the idea comes from their (somewhat rare habit) of copulating lying down rather than standing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have seen and touched camel and esp. revel in the absurdity of the picture
mircea_popescu: i dunno anyone ever tried to fuck it, in preference of say fucking the toilet seat hole.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that visual is the more amusing if one actually ever rode a camel. the animal is large.
asciilifeform: ( the moar 'advanced' ameri-victims will perhaps have been to some place where they watched hairy bedouins fuck camels, from safe distance, and thereby 'understood' that the reich is the only possible home for a civilized and refined soul such as themselves )
mircea_popescu: some people, given the choice of eating shit and being lied about it or eating shit and being told they're eating shit prefer the latter.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, anyway ; his argument is principally that they were straight talking. which is true, the difference between stalin-socialism and roosevelt-socialism is strictly that the cripple shunned straight talk ; whereas the bank robber reveled in it.
asciilifeform: most amerireich victims at least have the excuse of complete ignorance of the outside of their velveeta-civilization.
asciilifeform: then even moar puzzling.
asciilifeform: or read in lang other than engl?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, why don't you realise b was better than a when your experience of b is mediated by the items that produced a ?
zx2c4: im surprised, by the way, to see asciilifeform's claim that communist romania was a picnic compared to modern america. why havent i ever experenced this?
mircea_popescu: phf, well, sounds like you're having fun then!
phf: the mines are consistent: when left to their own devices, they slowly crumble, supports go, and men "unexpectedly!!1" die in a periodic collapse. i come back, i bark, triage the victims, assign a team on rebuilding the supports
mircea_popescu: alright. so let's just say there's a lot of history you do not know.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, "there are no new things in this world besides the history you do not know" is a somewhat famous quip.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: okay lets say there's a lot of history i dont know and that there are only new things in the world?
phf: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/04/17/rfc-euloras-communication-protocol-eucomms/#comment-1166 << responded, but stuck in the approval queue
mircea_popescu: how's the saltmines.
asciilifeform: and then suddenly not ?
mircea_popescu: ok, well, let's just say there's a lot of history you don't know.
asciilifeform: zx2c4: the society you actually live in, makes ceaucescu's look like refreshing paradise of straight-talk
mircea_popescu: (made, in case you also weren't there for the berlin games, means to have been spotted.)
mircea_popescu: but yes, zx2c4 : there are heuristics which do make human work easier. and it is the tell tale of a made agent, that he gets sent on garbage missions.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, are you aware some mit schmuck was "in charge of bitcoin" "left by satoshi" and then i said he'd better get lost and then he was kicked off like so much flotsam ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose he wasn't here for the gavin beheading, imagines the usg can even protect its agents or something like that.
asciilifeform: zx2c4: as a matter of fact, is IS a conclusion i can jump to trivially. because your supposed 'person' is actually a nameless cockroach beneath my feet. because he is not in the wot, and thereby not distinguishable from the 90000..+ faux 'humans' usg manufactures on daily basis to further its psyops.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yeah, the experience of the bitter fruits of socialism is always so inadherent to they inebriated by the flowers.
zx2c4: anyway, the only point im making with this extended debian example is that it's one thing to point to systemic societal shifts and tendencies. its quite another to make a claim about a particular individual and their deceptions. some people are deceptive. others aren't. but it's not a conclusion you can ever jump to trivially
a111: Logged on 2018-02-04 00:42 mircea_popescu: so while pretty much every adult romanian saw at least one (often enough in the shape of, hey, do you know this guy you've been frioends for 30 years with, since chiuldhood ? well he was trying to fuck your wife and get you imprisoned), apparently there's a NOFORN clause implicit or something, 0 internets.
mircea_popescu: jesus christ. re-do this conversation with a six year old girl instead of dkg. "she either enjoyed it or she lied." motherfucker! SHE IS NOT ABLE TO SPEAK.
zx2c4: godfather to your first born child
zx2c4: now you can either believe that it was an honest mistake
mircea_popescu: i'm not asking plebs anything. other than perhaps to get in the wot and do their log reading.
zx2c4: and then what?
zx2c4: so then we go and ask dkg
zx2c4: lets say you pull the commit log and you see that dkg@debian.org committed it
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, the debian bug was a nsa plant is neitehr controversial nor requires any conspiracy.
zx2c4: re:null - its one thing to make claims about how systemic shifts happen. these are usually compelling arguments and interesting, and usually not conspiratorial but still relevant. but when you argue about a *particular* *conspiracy* -- "the debian bug was nsa sabotage" -- now there's a much harder argument to make, because you're talking about some individual @debian.org guy being complicit in one way or another, and he's a human
mircea_popescu: cuz they're poor, sad and stupid ? i dunno...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: don't forget, also world of the general's wives, with voices like unoiled door hinges, and backtalk! how can you not envy!111 the respectable people!11111
mircea_popescu: what exactly is prestigious outside of my rating it, i don't get it ? you imagine i even for a second see the people eating rubber chicken at conferences above the prostitutes i don't bother to talk to at strip clubs ? why the fuck would i roflmao.
mircea_popescu: what world is this, iyo, that's not me and of me ? the squalor of shard dorms ? the plastic cubical farms ? what exactly ?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, a) it is not a complaint b) seeing how i'm the one with all the money and all the rapes, i can scarcely conceive what "the world" even is.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about the cool hackers on the internet, but only the assholes with prestigious positions." this has been a widely known complaint for a long time
asciilifeform: so your null hypothesis is to believe the perpetrators of said crimes, 'honest! it was accident! nevermind that it walks and quacks like nsa bug'
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, in statistics, it's the universal "no relevance" ; in practice, this must be translated to meaning.
asciilifeform: zx2c4: well, you seem to see the burden of proof, on asciilifeform , to show that debiankeys , or e.g. heartbleed, was a work of nsa plant
zx2c4: asciilifeform: whats a null hypthesis
mircea_popescu: i thought it was obvios enough it's the latter neh.
zx2c4: or do you think it's not actually directly targeted at you but rather a systemic thing
asciilifeform: zx2c4: your null hypothesis is defective.
mircea_popescu: there's very limited capacity for understanding the world in complex systems. kinda why they fail.
zx2c4: asciilifeform: arent there some commit logs that show where the debian bug comes from? i honestly cant remember
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, i don't think the usg is capable of representing me at all.
asciilifeform: zx2c4: take very concrete case, of the debian keys. i.e. a nsa-planted 'bug'. it was very concretely in the nsa interest to prevent public euclidization , would have revealed the 'bug' immediately.
zx2c4: and you think that since you've "thought your way out" of the paradigm, you're a threat and so the government has an interest in having people avoid you? kill socrates because he corrupts the young?
mircea_popescu: the more you need to be "protected" and "be given just the facts" and so on, the more need for socialism.
mircea_popescu: much like any other religion.
mircea_popescu: your government basically exists out of, and depends upon, you needing it to interface the world for you.
mircea_popescu: in general your government has an interest in you not talking to me, yes. or to anyone else, if at all possible ; and if not possible then ~not in any meaningful way~.
zx2c4: why does the government have an interest in me hearing about nadia's work rather than your work?
mircea_popescu: they're not "drawing the same conclusions". they're simply trying the equivalent of google keyword stuffing. "hey, maybe if i publish machine-generated pages with words people search for i'll be able to sell traffic"
asciilifeform: specifically to ~prevent~ folx such as zx2c4 from hearing about e.g. phuctor, or other actual attempts at experiment, and if they hear -- from taking seriously. 'boeck did it in 2007' 'but did he publish a divisor?' 'uhhhh'
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 18:21 mircea_popescu: in front of this, whether we idly decide that he's just dumb or actually evil, ie, his brain dun work like in the case of say bernstein ; or his brain doth work, but he deliberately attempts to shannonize republican words into imperial outcomes, a la curtis yarvin, jwz, whatever.... well what fucking difference does it make.
asciilifeform: zx2c4: the fraudulent content-free publications of supposed 'results' consisting of 'we broke 9000 keys last year, but no we won't say which keys and what the divisors are' are smoke screen, plain and simple.
mircea_popescu: every empire is invested principally in a maintenance of the statu quo.
zx2c4: alright so im just wondering why you think nadia and alex's research falls into a category like that, when they're essentially drawing the same conclusions as your own work (even if they didnt release rawdata as you say etc)
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do you expect going to work for nsa is, other than "sit here and waste the rest of your life quietly lest the terorists get hold of you and give you something actually useful to do" ?
mircea_popescu: other than this being well documented already...
zx2c4: the conspiratorial element in all this would be if, like, the NSA secretly funds academic research in fields it knows to be nonsense, so as to waste the time of otherwise productive people?
asciilifeform: and certain topics are 'trendy' and get grants but only for so long as you walk the unwritten line and 1) do NOT publish result 2) best of all do not even do the experiment, lest the result somehow leak out
mircea_popescu: i am not limiting the discussion to "Trendy". some items are useful to special-interest-group-women-are-people ; some other items are useful to special-interest-group-no-research-in-nsa-subersions-plox and so on
mircea_popescu: since there is no ~possibility~ of rational merit in the deluge of proposals coming his way and no method allowing him to distinguish between sokal items and science, would it take much for his decision process to become political ?
mircea_popescu: 1. research, as a proper item ( http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/ ) died sometime at the onset of the socialist state. 2. the socialist state isn't willing to admit it will never ever do anything useful intellectually again, sets out to "reproduce" the results of science through what it understands of the method. 3. this in due time creates the "bologna system" of grants and so on.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: just trying to wrap my head around the NSA angle on all this. i get all the points about academics taking shortcuts or publishing nonsense. im not seeing the government conspiracy though
asciilifeform: in ru prison argot, this is also called 'to be a mouse', and is seen as equally damning as 'to be a rat' ( steal from one's fellows , rather than the engl meaning of snitch )
mircea_popescu: the item exists, re bolix, say. which people saw but did not publish. and are to be very much ashamed of.
zx2c4: would you be inclined to believe me or would this be evidence that i'm also in on the conspiracy
mircea_popescu: then we'd wonder why you didn't publish it.
asciilifeform: zx2c4: then i would ask why you decided to be an accomplice in usg coverup ?
asciilifeform: somehow you have faith that 'they wouldn't straight and pull it all out of their arse, mit is respectable!', is that it ?
asciilifeform: zx2c4: the fact that not a single broken key was published prior to phuctor's, is not a problem in your eye ?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, show me these results!
zx2c4: the claims of those zmap papers certainly arent baseless, since you evidently have hit similar results?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that the fella still labours under the impression that boeck et al are the 'authorities' , sitting in judgement of ~us~ , and that it is we who must somehow prove beyond reasonable doubt that they lie
mircea_popescu: then, when shit hit the fan and both these matters were publicly proven, the reaction of all involved was to deny ; and of all naive bystanders to "memory hole effect".
mircea_popescu: how about this : "academics/journalists/assorted neets released wordsonapdf without releasing raw data to support conclusions *because* they didn't actually do any research to generate said raw data" ; "these baseless claims were paid fiat paper, because the person ion charge of distributing fiat paper to baseless claims picked them out of the sea of similar batshit insane nonsense emanating from the insane asylum at large, f
zx2c4: i will ask them about this
zx2c4: - academics were paid or told by NSA to suppress certain conclusions from their publications.
zx2c4: - academics released wordsonapdf without releasing raw data to support conclusions *because* they didn't actually do any research to generate said raw data
zx2c4: alright rereading, resynthesizing, adding a claim i understand you to be making too:
mircea_popescu: one could readily mechanize the process that created say curtis yarvin's "identity", say.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:02 mircea_popescu: Framedragger the reason there's a lot of credence in phf's perhaps harsh criticism is http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/
mircea_popescu: you can fuzz the nsa if you want, and get money from them this way. the methodology is explained in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523269 (reads thew linked item too).
asciilifeform: 3 is simply not a necessary hypothesis, it is very rare that the skepter has to be raised and something explicitly forbidden from above
zx2c4: - academics were paid or told by NSA to suppress certain conclusions from their publications.
zx2c4: the concrete claims i understand you to be making are:
asciilifeform: even though if anyone had bothered to euclid over they pubkeys, he would have discovered ~immediately~ that there are 32768 possible primes.
asciilifeform: zx2c4: consider, 'researchers' did their 'research' while the debian keys calamity lay unpublic for 3+ yrs.
mircea_popescu: it works well enough, for as long as the republic doesn't mess up things.
mircea_popescu: rhaps discourage "men alone" (such as, prior to finding this place, yourself) from actually doing the research in question.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, understand the full model of this : ambitious people whose hardware does not support their aspirations (ie, the aspirational 14%) say things that are not true. such as "we did research of so and so". now and again, they happen on a useful lie, something the establishment does not actually want researchedf. so they get a little slop, to encourage them to continue with their nonsense, while their imago is then used to pe
zx2c4: the ones i have down are:
zx2c4: so im still a bit fuzzy on the claims here
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: i never even considered the possibility that was some kind of conspiratorial cover story. wow.
asciilifeform: zx2c4: pay and written orders are not a necessary hypothesis. fact of the matter is that you do not get to ~become~ 'a nadia' or 'a boeck' unless you behave 'like a civilized academic' and do what is expected of you, without being asked.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, no. i am saying that they are intelectually incosequential ninnies, who happened to tell a convenient lie.
mircea_popescu: for the record, pirate was also indicted by the us circus at ~our~ pressure, and only after it became obvious to the usg that i am actually making it impossible for him to be of any further "use".
zx2c4: you're saying that nadia and alex and people got PAID by the nsa or somebody not to release certain results?
ben_vulpes gotta make some breakfast for other dependents, bbiab
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: woah okay so thats a whole other dimension
mircea_popescu: that fraud does not usually get punished by the "legal system" does not mean either boeck or pirate are respectable items.
mircea_popescu: it's plain and simple fraud, and yes of the criminal sort.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i recall many sticking points around the flat; wouldja enumerate? water heater, previous flatrental...?
mircea_popescu: no. the summary is what i told you : they LIED about doing research ; some victims paid them money ; the data was then published by third parties ; they stole it ; the victims ate it.
zx2c4: "They published studies but didnt publish the raw data to support their conclusions" - would this be an accurate summary?
ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform: i dun object; pizarro needs a better foundation than a writhing pile of chinches. i'd like to get a flat down there; this can consolidate the housing and desk expenses and provide i expect much needed moral uplift.
asciilifeform: and it is not even the old-fashioned pecuniary fraud, but organized smoke screen for nsa.
zx2c4: so to summarize your beef with these people,
asciilifeform: zx2c4: what they do -- we call it fraud.
mircea_popescu: in order to have published, you must publish ; otherwise herodotus' imaginary travels are the first source for animals that don't exist.
zx2c4: you guys are publishing the pure data
zx2c4: ahh so the complaint is that
mircea_popescu: it does not look like anything. KEYS and FACTORS. not stories about. the numbers.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, you're more than welcome to identify sets of keys WITH THE RESPECTIVE FACTORS published by anyone, at any time, then compare this with the phuctor set, and then write to whatever plagiarism committee you imagine is keeping academia from wallowing in the utter gutters of the intellectual world.
zx2c4: halderman and heninger have worked together a lot
asciilifeform: zx2c4: i wrote phuctor in 2013 after yrs of watching academiderps fraudulently pretend to have performed similar experiment ( while they published 0 keys )
mircea_popescu: for all the difference it makes.
mircea_popescu: no. some people were lying about doing research that they did not do. then we came and "stole" their "idea", did it, published results.
asciilifeform: zx2c4: the 'idea' is, arguably, euclid's.
zx2c4: oh. is your beef that you were masscanning the net first, and then these other people stole your idea and ran with it?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, "real" in what sense ? it was published once phuctor published the results, through the procedure of copy.pasting it.
mircea_popescu: then whatever victims they lied to decided rather than admit they were swindled out of whatever the scammers cost, it'd be better for academic facade to pretend the fraud was never exposed, and carry on.
asciilifeform: ( & a few other mouths )
mircea_popescu: hanno boeck, some chick named nirdlinger or nirflinger or whatever and some other schmucks lied for years about having done research they never actually did.
asciilifeform: ( if it's public, i.e. i can get to it, it's prolly in there )
asciilifeform: otherwise we are in for unplesant surprise at some point, and this will not do !
asciilifeform: pizarro is exactly the sort of thing where it shines. many, many small and mechanical fixes that need tracking.
BingoBoingo: more heavily to the end of the year? As it is I am still effectively paying out of my diminishing savings to live amongst the retards.
BingoBoingo: I'm going to go do the FG surgery and lets the adults talk through things, but... Remember the $20/day per diem arose out of a time when I was working on BBisp and chasing a prospect. When the statement's out do some math, float some compensation proposals covering a 12 month span, and recognize that and extra $180 a month still leaves me in the position of dipping into my savings rather frequently. Maybe weight the compensation boost
asciilifeform: seems like we've found the natural use for it.
mod6: Tickets are still available on the website.
asciilifeform: esp if it can be configed to block the introduction of new $item until $previtem is resolved or formally tabled.
mod6: I turned it off about the time that douche showed up.
mod6: Then that works a lot better, I'm way less likely to overlook something like that.
mod6: Ok, I'll take the blame here -- I missed whatever proposal in some log.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll be the first to admit, that asciilifeform 'plays the tuba despite not knowing how'
mod6: For these sorts of things, don't hesitate to send a formal pgpgram to me.
mircea_popescu: the difference between me and ten thousand librarians who also read the same books is that i don't go around spitting out the references in lieu of doing the inadherent wwwism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, tis more than just the rss / "wwwism is foreign and repulsive to asciilifeform". you've seen me communicate clearly and early about ten thousand times, and here you are stuck doing late ineffectuality. not good.
asciilifeform: instead of slowly going mad in the flea pit.
asciilifeform: then he can get , possibly, new shoelaces, and even a flat.
asciilifeform: effective at the start of next cycle.
asciilifeform: mod6: no need even for pgpgram. i propose, here and now, a +10% increase in BingoBoingo's pay. this will add up to the cost of 1 1U supermicro in a yr, or alternatively slightly less than ben_vulpes lost in customs lotto.
mircea_popescu: don't start pointing fingers and acting like idiots about it, either. you've got a problem, because to survive one must stay agile, not senilize before the time.
mircea_popescu: that he ~tried to~ is evident ; that it didn't work is even more evident. you lot have to have words together and get better at this.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 16:11 asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes -- a 10% diff in what BingoBoingo eats, will not make or break us, either we find customers and float, else -- sink. on the other hand, a starved and demoralized BingoBoingo is pretty bad for biznis. we do not have a spare BingoBoingo .
mircea_popescu: anyway, /me will expose the hand, might as well be upfront about things. so, asciilifeform did at some point express some interest in learning the magical crafts of management ; i since fed him the occasional dollop, in the manner this craft was always taught whenever it was taught. as part of this, when he left for montevideo i specifically told him to recognize BingoBoingo 's efforts with a raise early rather than late for
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 02:33 asciilifeform did , properly in log, ask the board to discuss raise for BingoBoingo , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807279
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 01:22 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6 , plox to put the matter ^ before board.
asciilifeform: mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807279 , then http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1808534
mod6: And aside from that, I'm not opposed outright to this, but before we start handing out more money, I'd like to see where Pizarro stands as far as how much further we need to go to break-even, etc.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i've already brought it up on record 2x. the other members of the board have not yet answered. << I have not seen or been given any formal proposal for anything of such a raise.
lobbes: In fact, it occurred to as I was about to list my TODO in-channel that it may be more beneficial to bake it as a blog post. Would allow the forum to suggest re-prioritizations as well as serve as a single place I can point to and say "this be what I'm working on right now". Anyways, I'll bake one tonight
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 15:50 mircea_popescu: lobbes, how about you look at his published db schema, and propose a py script he can run that delivers the desired rss ? this something you can do ?
mircea_popescu: understand that when you opt ot make "small donations" as a palliative measure to reconcile the goat and the cabbage you're not using the tool. this is orcism, "i don't know how to work vacuum cleanner but did some fingerbanging of the dust ad interim"
asciilifeform: ( at one time asciilifeform nominated phf to serve on the board in asciilifeform's stead, but there was no response, so i took it as a 'no ty' )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you gotta get better at talking things through ; the "other members" talk has its places but this isn't one.
asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes -- a 10% diff in what BingoBoingo eats, will not make or break us, either we find customers and float, else -- sink. on the other hand, a starved and demoralized BingoBoingo is pretty bad for biznis. we do not have a spare BingoBoingo .
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: it is greatly appreciated. And there's still a lot of adult business/figuring out exactly what pizarro is going on, which is why I have been letting it slide. But being several months into this venture the silence on this issue from the rest of the board is a sore spot, I have no idea if it is a thing they are even considering.
asciilifeform: ftr prior to leaving BingoBoingostan, asciilifeform took the liberty of making a modest donation to BingoBoingo out of own pocket. because, imho, proper thing to do. and did not want to wait for board approval, would rather simply pay from pocket.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nobody got 'played', thus far errybody has honoured their part of the pact. but yes imho we can afford to put some fat back on BingoBoingo's bones
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've already brought it up on record 2x. the other members of the board have not yet answered.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1808532 << Other than alf voicing general support for the idea, I am completely unaware of any ongoing discussions to improve my compensation. That we have arrived in May without any proposals has me somewhat feeling like I got played for the sucker on this.
mircea_popescu: or take them both, see what happens.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, take the peruana for a day trip ? i find tits surroundant make airflight bearable.
mircea_popescu: oh right you are, it was a coupla hours ~to colonia~. coupla hundy km to montevideo from there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was speaking strictly of the fat diff
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1808335 << Five hours if I take the more expensive ferry out of Montevideo. 6+ if I go to colonia for the cheaper ticket, but that involves a bus. Few things are less enjoyable the being stuck on a tin can full of Uruguayos.
BingoBoingo: I have had rabbit a number of times. Enjoy picking out the bits of shot.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not yet. Can pick some up at the feria. Now that I know we have Loros, I am kinda curious how those taste.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do you dine on guinea pig with the peruana ?
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1808329 << Last night was the Peruana. The Venezolana is for friendship and learning survival skills, the Peruana is for boning and enjoy the experience of being worshipped for the color of my skin.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-03 19:16 mircea_popescu: poor bb hasn't yet returned the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807589
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1808327 + http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807600 << Failed to find any issues with the counts outstanding
trinque: mircea_popescu: no argument to the contrary here
mircea_popescu: trinque, honestly i'd much rather just fix the rss than stand up a dedicated bot. way the fuck cheaper and rather more adequate to the actual task at hand.
trinque: the code I published will work fine with any logbot someone stands up
trinque: isn't that the point? lol!
mircea_popescu: "oh, there will be >0 pops if we're lucky"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that sort of thinking is how we got here in the first place.
mircea_popescu: there's also a chunk doing ip geolocation, trinque published coupla days ago, should go in.
mircea_popescu: lobbes, how about you look at his published db schema, and propose a py script he can run that delivers the desired rss ? this something you can do ?
lobbes: I still dun get why seperate channel wouldn't work? deedbot today somehow does xyz and successfully announces phuctor pops here. Why can't one of the n00bs stand up a bot to do the same thing... but in a side channel? Shouldn't require any changes at all to standing phuctor process, right?
mircea_popescu: otherwise you're setting yourself up for failure through 5000 update file requests.
asciilifeform: i am not averse to the pain of debugging.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yes, but in the very constrained environment there proposed they'll have to do a bunch of debugging, hence the "make them a user" notion.
BingoBoingo: Alive, catching up on logs and about to hit the datacenter
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 15:30 asciilifeform: anyone who wants to volunteer to write this, can use the db snapshot i previously published ( it contains, naturally, the schema. ) to test, remove some entries from factors table, then add'em back in ( ideally several dozen at a time )
asciilifeform: reading the db -- breaks nothing. and i already published the db ( and ergo schema . ) hence my suggestion from earlier, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1808989
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may : giving someone the capacity to read the db has no bearing on breaking. can reading the db break anything ?
asciilifeform: in the sense where subtly changing one, will subtly break the other, in 9000 possible ways.
mircea_popescu: weren't you just explaining that there's a python display part and a c work part, and you suck at the python part ?
mircea_popescu: the src of which ?