mircea_popescu: ll be a condensate of hot topic and assorted politrucking, but it will be there, as a matter of course.
mircea_popescu: and meaning is still predicated on a structure of authority, and that structure WILL always be present ; the pretense to its absence is just that, a conceit. exactly like socrates' "everyone has a philosophy", if you "have no authority" backing your structure of meaning, you simply have the dumbest one, like the http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#selection-711.0-711.610 idiots. it'
mircea_popescu: the fact of the matter is people will express their better nature if there's a space where they can do it ~meaningfully~.
mircea_popescu: hanbot, i suppose the answer would be asciilifeform 's "bottle". consider this place -- there's people who come and read the logs. every day, in the morning or in the evening or whatever. there's people who write code, there's people who do all kinds of stuff. where were they BEFORE ? they did physically exist, yes, you can't say "nowhere". so then ?
lobbesbot: hanbot: Sent 6 hours and 21 minutes ago: <danielpbarron> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4x7iw/?raw=true << i also had to make changes in some other file. there's one that makes the form and another that receives the POST data
hanbot: mircea_popescu, so where did the people go?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : http://www.pepijnvanerp.nl/2017/01/disappointing-outcome-of-bardens-vs-lanka-measles-proven-to-exist-but-anti-vaxxer-lanka-keeps-his-money/
mircea_popescu: remember 1988 mtv ? peak of live concerts, 120 Minutes was just getting started... whole different story. heck, people who weren't complete mouthbreathers even owned tv sets back then.
mircea_popescu: turn a tv on if you can find one, and tune it to mtv, which still exist. compare/contrast to 1988 mtv, it'll illustrate the matter perfectly.
mircea_popescu: 2018 web is ~= 1988 disco or 1968 "rock&roll". there's no beatles, there's no elvis, there's just you know, "rock and roller Little Richard performing in 2007" ie wikipedia. there's fucking F!TV.
mircea_popescu: yes, slashdot was once the flagship of a mighty youth movement. so was woodstock, at one time. slashdot failed on its own power and found out what it's worth these days for a fucking reason -- the party moved, and it moved years ago.
mircea_popescu: but seriously now, so there's 10k, maybe 50k inept kids in this vertical. do you realise that's less than the average vampire stories franchise gets ? and do you understand they are EXACTLY as useful / capable / potent / whatever objective measure of capacity to alter reality ?
mircea_popescu: in short, the diminutively tiny list of people who, to quote one among them, "I took evening classes from the institute via phone. (I half-listened while clicking through lolcat photos.)"... what difference can they possibly make, to anyone ?
mircea_popescu: ie, it makes exactly 0 difference to its might whether the web even exists tomorrow or not. but even in this very constrained field, btcbase is a larger source than twitter, or facebook, or ycombinator, or you name it (and yes, any and all of the pantsuit platforms are vying for relevancy in my referral log, month after month after month, they just don't get to actually raise to importance on the merits of their own inconsequ
mircea_popescu: observation that the ~ONLY~ reason the empire of stupid puts forth that pretense has nothing to do with them and everything to do with the few remaining intelligent people that even speak the language / bother to tune in (a fine example being the recent "triggering" nonsense re the abort() manual : the pretense the neets matter is SO THAT RMS BELIEVES, not so that anything to do with the neets themselves ; yet somehow this te
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 17:10 asciilifeform: ( i still have nfi, fwiw, who/where linked to it, to which heathens, possibly from mircea_popescu's logs later we will know some of it )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812408 the item the idle dorks "following" "open source" and "technology" "news" on "platforms" entirely miss is just how fucking inconsequential they are. not that this is some kind of surprise, lazy nonthinkers being bombarded with vacuous statements of their overpowering importance, so they end up believing the crap ; completely immune to the otherwise obvious and direct
asciilifeform not expert in subj. but! will leave https://archive.li/8NEUh for the truly lulzcurious, describes lulincident during design , when pure gold (!) bolts were added, in nearly last minute, to homogenize density of the 'implosive' core
asciilifeform: the backwards pressure is actually stronger, there, somehow, than the 1st wave outward.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it happens not in epicenter, but in outskirts of the blast circle
mircea_popescu: for the pattern there seen to exist, based on the tech of the time, it must be windblown, naught else.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, if it were that close the concrete wouldn't be standing at all, though.
mircea_popescu: the rubble is on the wrong side for the implicit direction of the blast by what's left standing.
asciilifeform: ( the orig pics are almost certainly in archive somewhere, and simply not printed )
asciilifeform: product of the seekrecy cult , which was every bit as bullheadedly idiotic as in usa
mircea_popescu: the drawings of overturned tanks are lulzy
mircea_popescu: hey, my recipe for apricot jam has half a dozen cracked seeds in there per jar.
mircea_popescu: whether cyanide-however flavoured or penicillin-however flavoured or etcetera.
asciilifeform: whether cyanide-flavoured, or apple-flavoured.
asciilifeform: fuhrerprinzip works. is the only thing that works.
mircea_popescu: sure, but one would propose howsoever flavoured cyanide is nevertheless cyanide, and similarily penicillin, and etcetera. scarcely can see the point of even discussing the flavouring.
asciilifeform: he difference between the item that they claim they want and any other item labeled the way they want' in particular.
asciilifeform: '...Stupid people organize and through collective action arrive at "consensus", which is batshit nonsense filtered by idiots out of their own ass, entirely unrelated to any kind of reality. And then they attempt to force it upon the actual people... It's not annoying because it works, which of fucking course it doesn't, but because the only way to deal with them is to exploit the fact that they're so fucking stupid, they can't tell t
asciilifeform: the canonical mircea_popescu piece re subj of thread being imho http://trilema.com/2017/cemetery-junction/#selection-87.181-111.338
asciilifeform: kurchatov being a great demo case; he had the authority to behead. laboratory -- worked. ( and not merely via 'copy leaked design', the ~indigenous~ nuke was crafted in parallel with the copied 'rds-1' , and subsequently went to production )
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 21:31 mircea_popescu: but this is a little like saying "kid pretending to be holding breath is lying". duh. how the fuck is socialism, or however you call the attempt to embody idiocy, supposed to survive in the strictly non-socialist reality ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812579 << it doesn't. however mythical beasts do not need to physiologically add up and live. on other hand, ~socialism-flavoured~ ( or with just about any other flavour, shinto-flavoured or confucius-flavored worx just as well.. ) fuhrerprinzip -- does work.
asciilifeform: i bet d00d is pissed, too, phone rang and nao he has to crank out the fud, rather than his light daily routine of nsa.burning xen 'bugs'
asciilifeform: and besides, remember , it was Cosmic Rays and at the same time There Are No Broken Keys and incidentally cosmicrays and remember , craigwright is satoshi, and oh oh bigblocks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems like same muppet still assigned to the case.
BingoBoingo: This hanno guy: "this guy has made similar claims in the past and they were always wrong. if you want my advice: don't trust this unless someone has independently checked it."
mircea_popescu: srsly, they only got one muppet ?
mircea_popescu: but this is a little like saying "kid pretending to be holding breath is lying". duh. how the fuck is socialism, or however you call the attempt to embody idiocy, supposed to survive in the strictly non-socialist reality ?
mircea_popescu: the signs are everywhere, you go to colombia, look through the paperwork of the embassy, it strikes. it's quite universal.
mircea_popescu: this no-left-in-socialism point is particularly visible if you look at the case of the republica "socialista" romania. from the 60s onwards it was run VERY MUCH on capitalist basis, accumulating wealth, if undistributed, and ekeing itself a tiny colonial empire in the arab lands etc.
asciilifeform: to apply mircea_popescu's classic 'thrown brick' model : stalin cleaned up the place, and threw the brick. which stayed , for a short while, in the air, in the form of 1950s-60s techno-extravaganza , rocketry, nukes, etc; then brick, engineless and wingless, on downward trajectory.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 16:11 asciilifeform: kurchatov, supposedly, sat and thought, and few minutes later answered, 'perhaps from philosophical pov this'd be consistent. but then we will have to forget about obtaining the bomb.'
asciilifeform: by the time of the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757902 incident, whole edifice was more or less thoroughly hollowed out and had approx as much genuine 'leftism' left inside, as the stuffed heads in a hunting lodge have meat
asciilifeform: sorta why, imho, folx who lament 'and then cruel cynical grifter stalin took over' have it backwards.
asciilifeform: there ~are~ plenty of folx who walk, talk, even pretend to do work (in cafe, somewhere, or holding stop signs, or whichever) while earnestly believing in 'equalism', 'abolish ranks', etc. ~but~ these won't become even city dogcatcher, much less fuhrer, simply too much brain damage required, it gets in the way
asciilifeform: ( anybody recall the specific piece ? )
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a spiffy article, re 'grifters', and where specifically 'lenin played the lure sucker for stalin's grift'
mircea_popescu: i guess. though i suspect it's a sad life to play the transvestite as only avenue to getting laid.
asciilifeform: dispensed because folx in the driver's seat are, as a rule , never so dumb as to actually drink the 'left' hokum. it is a lure.
mircea_popescu: they'd have stuck to it if it even vaguely promised to not entirely kill them. because, substantially, that's what the socialism was always about -- the pretense that the whore decides when and how the soldier fucks her.
mircea_popescu: so the soldier's soviet will decide which way to charge this evening.
mircea_popescu: the fundamental pretense of the ~soviet~, in the original sense of the term, is that a group of imbeciles can nevertheless make decisions on the basis of their misapprehension of the environment.
mircea_popescu: and what was the whole "worker class" and aparatchick class but illiterates strutting ?
asciilifeform: in su -- not ( for the most part, managerial caste is separate convo ) not permitted.
asciilifeform: on top of this, there is the choice of whether to permit illiterates to strut about and pretend to civilization.
mircea_popescu: i am unpersuaded by this theory.
asciilifeform: there's a vernier knob.
mircea_popescu: i don't think there was ever a system "dedicated to man" that managed to get man to think, though. man will not think, would rather take rape than math questions.
ben_vulpes: kindle fulla fifty shades of the same smut
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, people read in united soviets also, you should see the trainfulls of people with crappy pulp in hand.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in late-gosplan days also had competition. ( life is a bit moar complicated than the cartoon su )
mircea_popescu: the most visible standardization (the hruscheba) is actually also the most defensible behaviour in economic terms (and not so different from us response to same problem). prefab was the way post ww2.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: people -- read. ( and to some extent even in modern ru, this survives, it is actually possible to stay afloat economically there as a non-crown-anointed - i.e. not-'bestsellerlist' writer, even today )
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, not really ; in the early gosplan days they even had competition, as alf aptly pointed out during some previous discussion.
ben_vulpes: designed by su department of designing The Right Car, i mean
mircea_popescu: the soviets of russia, much like the soviets of america, very insistently alfabetized the herd ; but lacked the electronic means to plug them in, all they had was electric. and as a result, "people's radio theatre"
ben_vulpes: dickintheass"
ben_vulpes: perhaps i misconcieve of the industrial processes, and could benefit from experience, but i labor under the apprehension that there was "teh one su car, designed by su factory" whereas american product is "ten stanford cucks who think the exact same way writing the exact same banking app that chase will release as a feature in two years, written by their peers who took salaries instead of grahams
mircea_popescu: and couldn't read, count, etc. just, the mass of them wasn't anywhere any precious sankt petersburg windowsill flowers ever met.
asciilifeform: the diff is that the us folx are bonsaikittens and, for the most part, actually believe in their bunkum. and can't read, write, count, feed selves without ~short~ (oh noez, 3km walk -- death!11) path to mcshittrough
mircea_popescu: $agent could answer yes/no whether $measure is leninist or bourgeois, appropriate or racisthateful, but only for the least interesting classes of $measures.
mircea_popescu: they seem indistinguishable to me, "marxism-leninism" or "awareness, eco-friendliness, blabla" serving as a specific sort of distance-only schelling points -- ie they only work at a distance.
ben_vulpes: grand network of corporations and wall street will ensure that americans are "stepped down gently" a la the photosynthesis process, with maximum $anything extracted over the long term
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, what difference do you perceive then ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the last one in my list recently evaporated. but will file for future ref
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: different mechanism: here everyone "making apps", slicing open appendices are ~exactly the same in the head, so everything they produce converges to ~the same thing
asciilifeform: ^ these tend to keep 'banker's hours' tho, and the next time you come back, there's a carpet shop in there, because d00d finally died...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, next this happens, invite them here lol.
asciilifeform: ( once in a veeeery long time, asciilifeform runs into some land-that-time-forgot where a greybeard owns the building and there are motherfucking blisterpacked z80's, 6502's, etc. hanging there, in dark yellowed plastic, since 1982... )
mircea_popescu: "engineered the total immersive soviet citizen experience"
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 21:01 ben_vulpes: they get completely mass produced healthcare/parts/food/'mobile experiences' and fuck'em.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: astronomical rents, i suspect, also play a part. it is ~impossible to stay open if you stock anything that doesn't move continuously. specialist shops are the first to die.
ben_vulpes: they get completely mass produced healthcare/parts/food/'mobile experiences' and fuck'em.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812496 << hey, that'sd been the official republican worldview since 4evar.
ben_vulpes: no money in selling parts/strange to the herd.
ben_vulpes: last time i could be assured of walking out the door and getting a tool (not part!) that i needed was in nyc
lobbes: It took some explaining to Best Buy lady on the phone that I a) was not looking for laptop power cord and b) I didn't need the whole power supply, just the cord
asciilifeform: recall how ratshack co. finally died, despite charging first 10x and then 20 and then 50x... for parts
ben_vulpes: sure; i recently got 2 pair of tall jackstands, delivered to house, for ~.6 the cost of item at store which was even shorter
asciilifeform: and they're right. it can't be had , i suspect, on this entire shore, in shops. ( for various values of 'it' )
asciilifeform: the message i got errywhere was, unspokenly, 'you gotta be deeply mentally ill to be buying this not on www'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i somehow get 'em to leave the register and check inventory manually
lobbes: There's something to this "locals blinded by pretense fall into uselessness" heuristic, I think
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 20:33 mircea_popescu: i dun recall EVER hearing "carolina is the suck" in local drawl ; but people from ohio will literally ask you "what, and you came here ?!" as if they can't conceive anyone who isn't born there being found there even momentarily.
lobbes: This was precisely my experience. I remember thinking how *refreshing* it was to come out of the heart of pantsuitlandia (taxachusetts) where everyone was up their own ass in "we are so progressive and enlightened.", to ohio where everyone was "yeah... we pretty much suck. Sorry you have to be here" >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812483
asciilifeform: shops ? dun make me laugh. they have nfi re inventory of $thing-nobody-bought-in-20yrs even if you walk in. AND they automagically list 'orderable online only' in same catalogue as what is physically present.
ben_vulpes: these physical retail outlets
lobbesbot: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: i dun recall EVER hearing "carolina is the suck" in local drawl ; but people from ohio will literally ask you "what, and you came here ?!" as if they can't conceive anyone who isn't born there being found there even momentarily.
mircea_popescu: and argentina, or the us, full to the brim of imbeciles thinking "the whole world is in awe of our example", went from top 5 to worst decile in the same interval.
mircea_popescu: lobbes, incidentally, i've noticed the people's subjective reported dissatisfaction is one of the best proxies for local suckitude. ~100% of romanians agreed that romania sucks, 1988, and as a result romania went from ~gabon to ~austria in 30 years. meanwhile columbia people agreed with themselves "they love their country", and columbia went from columbia to columbia in the interval. nicaragua idem.
asciilifeform: to the nearest whole number -- definitely
mircea_popescu: tell the truth, nobody buys such a thing. period.
asciilifeform: oh hey BingoBoingo , recall the power cable in BingoBoingostan ? where we had to splice it , because in whole country (apparently!) the correct one could not be had ?
lobbes: Hey, at least there is that!
mircea_popescu: lobbes, somehow that cable reminded me of the http://trilema.com/2016/industria-argentina-or-my-life-among-the-tribal-savages/ ; at least yours don't burn down in hand.
lobbes: But teh weather here is so much better, so I can't complain too much I guess
lobbes: I will say, I've lived in New England, Ohio, and now here. And, believe it or not, imo the people of Ohio trump the usefulness of people here by a large margin
mircea_popescu: and i still complain of how fucking rural they are.
lobbes: Looks like there's a fry's in Raleigh, roughly three hours from me o.0
mircea_popescu: then again, moo moos have no need of money.
mircea_popescu: well there is that.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 16:25 mircea_popescu: in strict, physical terms. i can peel a coupla bills off the roll way before anyone can a) take the card b) orient it to machine slit ; c) slide it through ; d) wait for data to run back and forth to visa servers (include here the pro-rated delay of "servers down" shenanigans) ; e) get me to "sign" like 1100 period barbarians the f) slip of paper it printed and spit out etc.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812288 << yeah, YOU can. way before pretty much anyone else, and certainly way the fuck before the masses can a) be told that yes, in fact, the act of purchasing something involves them paying! b) thereby realize they will have to retrieve monies c) emit a mournful moo d) reach into bottomless purse/euromanpurse/dip hoof into each of eleventeen pockets e) find a button! f) remember that bunion/ill aunt/weather s
hanbot: hey danielpbarron (or any other mp-wp users with 'classic' theme goin'), assuming you're using mp's antispam, wouldja mind pasting your themes/classic/comments.php for me so i can see how you're handling the $suffix? differs from the 'default' i'm using, but i'd like to include a fix for it in a comments patch.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 19:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, and this is different from the bitcoin dot com scheme how ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, and this is different from the bitcoin dot com scheme how ?
phf: yeah, dakar rally for trucks is a european take on monster truck rally thing, not as larger than life over the top, but taps the same kind of feelings
ben_vulpes: it's the best shot!
ben_vulpes: take me out to the deeesert/romp around on the flaaaats/burning oil and lighting off guns/fuck all the liberals i'm gonna have fun/cause it's root root root for the germans/if the diesels get neutered it's a shaaaaaame/cause it's one! two! three! strikes you're out in the us! penitentiary! game!
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 17:05 asciilifeform: kamaz. ( to be fair, they make a buncha different ones )
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812396 << amongst all the different build variations they also have a shiny version that's more palatable for foreigners that they build for dakar rally. been taking first place there for couple of years http://videoscars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/here-come-the-kamaz-dakar-2016.jpg
asciilifeform: 'The "electrum dot com" scheme is taking that attack further: the scammers have managed to take control of the dot com domain, and they have developed a website with a slightly different design and logo. The authors have been claiming that they are developing a legitimate fork of the Electrum project, and that they are trying to improve user experience. The owners of "electrum dot com" went as far as to claim that they are "currently
asciilifeform: in other lullies, https://archive.li/1QxgC >> 'Decompiling the ElectrumPro stealware'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: typo in your article, 'Fritz' archive link goes to the 'innergap' chick
asciilifeform: observe, every effort is made to extend , somehow, the life of that particular escapade
asciilifeform: ( ftr asciilifeform suspects that 'debianized' primes are sometimes emplace by ~current-day~ proggies; the debianization is 'deniable cover' of the exact kind usg luvvvs like delish candy )
asciilifeform: only for the Anointed, naturally
mircea_popescu: my my is this embarassing then.
asciilifeform: https://blog.benjojo.co.uk/post/auditing-github-users-keys << the horse's mouth re ^ ; orig article by the orig 'henninger' who 'did' the experiment (i.e. experiment-stopper ) and (not)published
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, anyway, yeah, the "wood"... i mean they have all these overgrown grasses which to ~them~ appear woody, but taking an axe to a palm is not so unlike taking down a movie set in anger.
asciilifeform: ( i still have nfi, fwiw, who/where linked to it, to which heathens, possibly from mircea_popescu's logs later we will know some of it )
mircea_popescu: are you having a fun over there ? lol.
asciilifeform: they make, e.g., topol-m launcher, iirc
mircea_popescu: "you know how after you're constipated for like the rest of the day ? shit has been ruined!"
mircea_popescu: talk about enforcing the patriarchy. DICKTRUCK
asciilifeform: kamaz. ( to be fair, they make a buncha different ones )
ben_vulpes: poor asciilifeform, one begins to understand his resentment of the "bars with acres of parking"
mircea_popescu: (the bottle of venezuelan rum, btw, has been a standard mandatory for the car for a year now)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, also not the same flora here. the wood is about half-value if i had to guess, caloric-wise.
mircea_popescu: charcoal sack is now a mandatory car trunk item. at the rate i'm going i might actually next buy a truck.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: sounds like they let it burn off, which'd keep it moderate. the problem usgderps suffer from is *not* letting it burn.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, suffers from it moderately. there's occasional wildfire, but nothing like california.
trinque had a nice outing with the girl once, drove 4runner out onto the beach, fucked the night away, cooked breakfast in a fire-pit we made
mircea_popescu: however a) they build out of steel beams and brick and b) they're built out of solid "don't give a fuck". so...
ben_vulpes: wildfires at all? suffers from the northwestern us problem of excess tinder buildup at all?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: place gets enough rain that the whole thing is unlikely to go up at once right?
mircea_popescu: b) go to the beach, want to start a fire ? by all means. wanna make a fire in your yard ? yes please. is there a fire going ? cool!
mircea_popescu: the very relaxed attitude to fire among these people is a joy to behold. a) anyone can start a lawn fire at any time they feel like, and there's daily sirens from firetrucks rushing to reign in the more successful attempts.
mircea_popescu: i am a convert to the method.
mircea_popescu: well... the way they do it here is that you take it out to the "rancho" (basically, concrete poles with a roof) and charcoal it there.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nono, i exaggerate, grossly. that said, i haven't figured out how to bake a chicken without a cloud of chicken-scent emerging and permeating the domus on every basting.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the comments in heathen pits the last coupla times were so predictable, as to be imho complete snoar. but who knows.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, for the record, if your place needs evacuation every time girl fries something you might consider a) getting better oil and b) not smoking the shit out of it.
mircea_popescu: not that slow either. the mentally livelier ones REALLY get motivated by the "make something with own hands" cheap and early successes.
mircea_popescu: i mean, that nut with the "mac on cheese on pizza awesum!" is actually adventurous and far sighted with reference to her peer group. sad as that may sound.
mircea_popescu: so then make an acct lol.
ben_vulpes: anyone have a grahamnews account? submit the phuctoring?
asciilifeform: but otherwise as-described.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-15 00:28 asciilifeform: one would read instructions. another, turn a wrench, whatever. third would check that 2 corresponds to 1. then, all three sign under that step in recipe.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, they came on a signature form thing though! http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-15#922644
asciilifeform: hm i misremembered, the most famous incident, in kramatorsk ('80s) involved a cs-137 brick.
mircea_popescu: lol. i heard the legends.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aaa the radar thing. funny story with these, the old-world version of this was the gamma-radiograph. in su they used them to evaluate cured cement prior to finishing a block of flat. aaand sometimes they'd forget the sr-90 brick inside the wall, and roast several generations of tenants
ben_vulpes: motherfucker because i want to dump my entire heated air mass every time the girl fries something
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'll do you one just a hair more ridiculous: this place has a whole-house evacuator that "well you can just run the whole-house fan when you're cooking!"
mircea_popescu: ample potential for hilarious misreads, which is why it's not dispensed with the human operator yet. but way the fuck faster and cheaper than proof hole drilling.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it does two things. one is that it can mostly distinguish concrete from brick from wood and so on, it has the patterns of specific materials. the other is that it can evaluate "decay", in the sense of how uniform or nonuniform the wall is. so once it decided it's wood it can tell you ~how old ; and if concrete ~how fractured so on.
asciilifeform: always it is the ersatz, instead, with the charcoal filter (that gives out in coupla months)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: believe or not, none of the places i've ever lived in, had a 'honest' kitchen exhaust (i.e. with actual pipe to the outside world)
ben_vulpes: (how the kitchen came to be without a hood is a mystery i do not think i shall ever understand, given that the dood ran cat5 and coax to every room. what, no women cooking in his life or something?)
ben_vulpes: interesting; i've got to install a hood in the kitchen; so will learn the truth without any electronics.
asciilifeform: what does such a thing do ? or is this the mechanized dowsing rod thing
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, old friend showed me some wonders... they have cheap enough US machines to use for building valuations now.
asciilifeform: the one where 'boeck confirms, not true!' etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, how was this in sovrussian, "trained in the workplace" ?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: '... and a bunch of Neet employees (probably used the same weak tool)' << waaat
ben_vulpes: ohay is there a crackernyooz link?
asciilifeform: plenty of lulz left in the lulzmag.
mircea_popescu: christ on a cracker, the e=3 n=4096 bit key. who makes such things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, odds are, antiques. exp was 3 on "cheap" systems throughout the 90s.
mircea_popescu: these people went to school, beating them over the head repeatedly with any reference is just table stakes, says nothing about eventual outcomes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in other lollies, 64377 keys where exp=3
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, discussion in harem, "isn't that too much linking on the neet explanation ?" "you'll see".
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, my place in tm, had double layered brick walls, proper style. by the time the outside of the inner wall warmed up the sun was setting.
asciilifeform: ( they come on truck, in pre-cut panels )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: they're building a buncha communal flats over here, they all get decorative fauxbrick panels over the gypsum
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-11#353878 << i found one made of brick! couldn't believe the thermal inertia.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dun forget the 'dial, at 300 baud' in orcistan
mircea_popescu: in strict, physical terms. i can peel a coupla bills off the roll way before anyone can a) take the card b) orient it to machine slit ; c) slide it through ; d) wait for data to run back and forth to visa servers (include here the pro-rated delay of "servers down" shenanigans) ; e) get me to "sign" like 1100 period barbarians the f) slip of paper it printed and spit out etc.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 15:42 mircea_popescu: "the RSA supercollider and numerical observatory" << ahahaha i like this. a numerical observatory.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no argument there
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, money is way faster than the cards, though.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re bank cards : it gets funnier : in usa, many folx dun actually qualify to ~borrow~ moneys, and their cards are imitations, they have to pre-fill'em at specially designated places, in exchange for ordinary money; and it actually ~costs~ something, on top of the fill
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> funnily enuff i got stuck behind one of these in a little shop in BingoBoingostan : the lulz was in that the modem in the register was slow enuff that cc folx were ~slower~ than ones paying with ordinary money << Serious quality of life issue here. The awful part is the locals CAN'T learn to use the pin pads and have to try 3+ times
ben_vulpes: dude just the chip and pin crap is intolerably slow.
asciilifeform: errywhere they turn into 'space for lease' (never gets filled, as prices are deliberately kept at lunar heights to keep rent up for remaining tenants)
mircea_popescu: to think, my impression then was, "pity it all went to shit".
mircea_popescu: twas not my experience, but then again it's been what, 15 years.
mircea_popescu: it's universally the case. the only reason it's not obvious in the us is that everyone there is poor, nobody has anyt money.
asciilifeform: funnily enuff i got stuck behind one of these in a little shop in BingoBoingostan : the lulz was in that the modem in the register was slow enuff that cc folx were ~slower~ than ones paying with ordinary money
mircea_popescu: same people who get "excited" about "paying with credit cards". "it's so much easier!!!". and these days "near field" or w/e they're doing.
asciilifeform: ( witness the neverending supply of lost souls who still demand 'pgptron built into email reader' or even automatic signing of this or that )
asciilifeform: this is quite related to the 'subkeys' thread also.
mircea_popescu: well, this is then what even gets one out of bed in the morning : the hope shining through the dread, that even should something from years ago have to be reviewed on grounds of suspected stupidity, there's a shot it may turn out to have actually been quite correct.
mircea_popescu: the impossibility of mechanical friendship isn't case by case, it's a fundamental problem.
asciilifeform: some things are not mechanizable, and whoever tries -- will pay the price.
asciilifeform: there we go.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 15:49 mircea_popescu: ~possibly~ the solution is to take gpg-only submissions via webform and any-key submissions via an eventual #trilema bot.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 21:03 mircea_popescu: it's not "the sks server" that is retarded. is the concept of machine-spread rsa key that's retarded ; much in the way of "machine-generated trust", be it embodied in "dao" or "colored coins" or "safe bitbet"
mircea_popescu: so there's no way out of it, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522722 <<-->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812214 reflect over the ages.
asciilifeform: which is the ultimate folly
asciilifeform: and the ( let's charitably suppose something other than plain wrecking ) motivation for the very notion, was 'defense against key substitution' which is really an attempt to get around the need for wot
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 05:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it seems to me the factors ~aren;t~ normally distributed.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 21:03 mircea_popescu: it's not "the sks server" that is retarded. is the concept of machine-spread rsa key that's retarded ; much in the way of "machine-generated trust", be it embodied in "dao" or "colored coins" or "safe bitbet"
mircea_popescu: so there's no way out of it, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522722 <<-->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812114 reflect over the ages.
mircea_popescu: what gpg tried to do is somehow kludge a whole working republic into their early prototype key "ecosystem". it didn't work in practice, but that aside, it's not actually useful.
asciilifeform: rright, recall how (evidently) some pgptron, somewhere, was quite satisfied with 'piltdown man' signatures, ripped out of other keys
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, indeed. i tell you, i don't see it. the arguments from 2016 prevail, making the ssh-style correct imo.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 21:10 mircea_popescu: as it's not acctually correctly designed it 1) creates false sense of security ; 2) creates unnecessary byzantinism and "can't pop the hood on this"
asciilifeform: also the term 'self signature' as used in kochiana/rfc2440/4880 world , is misleading : if all that were signed were a modulus, one could trivially produce 'self sig' for any modulus/exponent that satisfy the rsa equation, incl. ones generated on the spot. 'self sig' in gpg world is simply attempt to tie commentstrings to keys.