asciilifeform: the same folx will do mountain of work to, e.g., build 'rust' compiler or other heathen nonsense. but unsurprisingly won't lift a finger to look through terrorist telescope and , heavens forbid, see an extra moon where mother church proclaimed, Officially, there be none
mircea_popescu: this is the fucking problem : man who can plow an acre who got a square mile, can't start on plowing the acre he can plow because waiting for tractor, except can not trust item he receives actually plows anything. -> famine.
mircea_popescu: basically, to answer http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812588 : they're a) not doing it because b) if they tried to they'd run out of time before they'd run out of divisions and therefore c) waiting for someone to d) collapse this AND OTHER SUCH things into a more manageable super-idea except e) quid custodiet, which is necessarily at odds with the requirements of b-c, and therefore the whole thing's paralyzed.
mircea_popescu: in the end, the remaining "value proposition" of jewish outlets is, "all put together a penny or two, and we'll provide a harem for all of you!"
mircea_popescu: n-theoretical : when there's more ideas than mental capacity for juggling ideas, one's stuck trying to pretend like they're some kind of me, sitting atop a complex apparatus fine-tuned to provide them with summaries and classification.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 15:25 mircea_popescu: though mostly quoted for the fundamental prpblem -- these are college educated or educating esltards (maybe not ALL at MIT, but if you're on the internet.en you're either out of or currently in college) WHO DO NOT KNOW HOW TO BECOME MILLIONAIRES.
mircea_popescu: aaanyway, the problem isn't even the demographic-theoretical identified there ("when there's more mice than social roles, mice society collapses, because the demands upon the role fillers are overgreat wrt individual mice biological capacity ; and the path for the role-aspirants is no longer clear, which definitionally is what "society has failed" even means, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742439 ) ; but rather informatio
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-25#688733 << the shit one finds digging through the logs.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-12 01:59 mircea_popescu: 2018 web is ~= 1988 disco or 1968 "rock&roll". there's no beatles, there's no elvis, there's just you know, "rock and roller Little Richard performing in 2007" ie wikipedia. there's fucking F!TV.
mircea_popescu: certainly there's directly evident a fundamental inability to acquire or process ideas at the root of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-12#1812645 / more general "web has failed" discussion.
mircea_popescu: "In Stand on Zanzibar, John Brunners 1972 novel of a hyperactive, overpopulated world, society is plagued by muckers, individuals who suddenly and for no obvious reason run amok, killing and wounding others." << now the uncomfortable question becomes, whether that's the actual problem of 2018 because that's what the people of 1972 thought it will be ?
mircea_popescu: i find this eerlily apt. the fundamental fact of the neet isn't that it's alienated ; but that it lacks the capacity for alienation altogether.
mircea_popescu: "Individuals born under these circumstances will be so out of touch with reality as to be incapable even of alienation. Their most complex behaviors will become fragmented. Acquisition, creation and utilization of ideas appropriate for life in a post-industrial cultural-conceptual-technological society will have been blocked."
mircea_popescu: (there was actually the mf global issue right in between there, as an intermediate stage)
mircea_popescu: otherwise, books cooked ~exactly~ same way in both cases.
mircea_popescu: exactly nothing. but sometime between Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC and groupon they actually gave up on even pretending to prosecute fraud.
mircea_popescu: which all the fucktards who hyped it feel no need to ever mention again ; they'll just reuse the hype with s/groupon/apple/g instead.
mircea_popescu: oh, but it was invested in the great opportunity of groupon
asciilifeform: i.e. one investor's 500k builds a co2 extractor; the other's 2m usd -- mysteriously evaporates without building much of anything
asciilifeform: rright. nobody promised that the constraint mechanism would be same as in venice or king leopold's belgium. today it is in the turket vs vapour usd divide
mircea_popescu: the one thing the germans were clamoring for, interbellum, was "for a way to give all this useless paper back to the govt".
a111: Logged on 2015-03-06 03:29 mircea_popescu: making money is a purely ~political~ function. if you are among the favoured elite of the respublica veneta, you then may invest in the ships, and make a profit. if not, not.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 16:25 asciilifeform: you need a ~$500k (turkeydollar) plant, to do it the adult way. and i suspect that there are not 500k of turkeydollar between them atm.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812954 << costa rica is introducing a lulz of al ltime tiered licensing system. the top tier is about 2mn in royalties.
mircea_popescu: it's fundamentally unsustainable, but hey, for while the "headcount is only count that matters" delusion holds, women wanna spawn.
mircea_popescu: rather. farm life is farm life, whadda ya want. waste effort on supporting too many children, pray the mongols don't come to merv you out.
mircea_popescu: epically more evident in period russia, where choice before every country bumpkin/ciolovek actually had to decide whether stay on farm or go join bandits. and, for that matter, the deep reason for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-08#1811354 is exactly that, german youth deserted the old woman "state" en masse, joined "the bandits".
mircea_popescu: understand, mom will make paper copies of rifles for kiddy for only just as long as the soldiers pass in the street. once they're gone, once the immediate, obvious stimulus ceases, there's other things to do, so why don't you go make your bed.
mircea_popescu: but once the specific environment changed, once there isn't a cattle farming interest to join, well... why keep up the pretense.
mircea_popescu: lies breaking off family bonds to come serve them on hands and knees ; and churchgoing uppity "homely" (=ugly) women WANTED a bunch of retards to think "cowboy life is dangerous, dun take guns to town, stay on farm with the sow"
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 16:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812861 << observe how ~all~ farming in usa, was put under 'soft kolhoz' by fdr ( and at exactly same time, and for same reasons, as in old su into 'proper' kolhoz) and nobody alive today remembers any other kind of farming
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812937 << farming is NOT AMENABLE to any other kind of farming. the pretense to "independent farmers" is how the pantsuit chicks got the less able men off the cattle growing, you understand. the notion of "independent farmer" is a hallucination exactly like the notion of "successful starlet", sold by the press of a commercial concern for a commercial interest. hollywood WANTED a bunch of gir
mircea_popescu: might as well redrop the orig source for archival http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/42/wiles.php
a111: Logged on 2015-02-25 21:16 ascii_field: their own young. Procreation slumped, infant abandonment and mortality soared. Lone females retreated to isolated nesting boxes on penthouse levels. Other males, a group Calhoun termed “the beautiful ones,” never sought sex and never fought—they just ate, slept, and groomed, wrapped in narcissistic introspection.'
lobbes: 40+ yr case study right there in .uy huh?
BingoBoingo: And there are few "people" (cerdos humanos) more complacent than Uruguayos
lobbes: Though, I think mr p's "aquarium performance drug" theory is spot on re: pot. Encourages general complacency with less "action" than alcohol inspires.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> of course it is. understand this : the us is, for all intents and purposes, an aquarium. someone now and again drops some food pellets in, the fishies inside are either depressed or part of the pantsuit club of "how to correctly display the beauty of aquariums for the benefit of the aquarium feeder folk outside". << Uruguay is the FUTURE!!!
asciilifeform: the pets dun do cigars ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yeah, i just lost interest in smoking altogether.
mircea_popescu: but it's been months, the cigars been piling up, eventually i turned off the supply... and well...
asciilifeform: sorta like how when asciilifeform suggests to nicotine aficionados, to do it 'like the indians, erry 3-6mo.' they look like at martian
lobbes: asciilifeform: I posed the same "why not take tolerance break" q to them as well. They claim "doesn't work" but I suspect they simply didn't wait long enough
mircea_popescu: you know the joke with the very brave man, went through the horrible leg-cutting bear trap ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, let me simplify this for you : pot smokers are socialist. if their brain worked, pot'd be more of a concern, but as it is...
asciilifeform: lobbes: afaik even heroin users have concept of 'knock down the dose', where they abstain for a spell. pot smokers -- not ?
mircea_popescu: but why bother the idiots with knowledge, let them "we've done the experiment and forgot to publish results" until they fall over.
lobbes: I will note that some of the moar chronic (decade + of "smoke all day every day") $potusers I know can no longer get high off of the leaves; need the refined "dabs". >> (+asciilifeform) [16:31:35] which one of these , pot-growing is closer to , i'ma leave to the folx who know
asciilifeform was slaving in a 'seekoority'-flavoured salt mine hell at the time, and remembers the switch, quite abrupt
mircea_popescu: but there's a fucking reason they're "concerned" about "russian spies" rather than chinese spies. "those aren't spies, dummy, those are the peopel dropping food pellets in. they should get a good show, put out!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, sure. and then again there's this pesky algae bloom of maga, and so on.
mircea_popescu: and this is why it started with waitresses and janitors, too. their job is to PRETEND like they're servants so the "upper" class can pretend it's upper.
asciilifeform: the aquarium model is imho spot-on, but with the detail that most of the usa inmates are not fish in the aquarium, but zooplankton, quite invisible to the owner and the fish alike
mircea_popescu: as far as the zeks are concerned, their performance is purely performative : they're employed at the task of "being americans", so the chinese can take pictures of authentic.
mircea_popescu: of course it is. understand this : the us is, for all intents and purposes, an aquarium. someone now and again drops some food pellets in, the fishies inside are either depressed or part of the pantsuit club of "how to correctly display the beauty of aquariums for the benefit of the aquarium feeder folk outside".
asciilifeform: unless notion is 'opiate for the masses', where 'neet' is herded into barns that are 'undendurable without pot'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i recall the piece. can't currently picture how it applies to pot tho -- it isn't 'performance dope'
mircea_popescu: turns out that pot mandate has extended past "the service industry" ie the white girl job (waitress) and the black guy job ("custodian", amirite ?) into the neet lands.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, do you recall, incidentally, the trilema piece discussing the future ? the bit about how "if meth is legal, trucker MUST do meth, like it or not" ?
mircea_popescu: alcohol is sedative in quantity and uninhibitor in mini doses ; pot is sedative in mini doses and psychogenic in quantity. seems evidently the better deal.
asciilifeform: ( only problem, from pig-farm pov, being their 'munchies' but the corn people will take care... )
mircea_popescu: but that said -- seems almost a certainty that the pothead is preferable to the drunk, from the socialist nigger's perspective.
mircea_popescu: (there are no $1000 bottles, either, it's not THAT bad. unless for purely historical reasons, "this is the bottle marie antoinette vaginally inserted" etc)
mircea_popescu: note that there's no veuve cliquot securities, notwithstanding that is a genuinely and on its own merits $50 bottle.
mircea_popescu: now FRUIT alcohol, ie, the $200 bottle of wine, THAT exists. but it's also so finnicky to actually make as to justify the price.
mircea_popescu: the $200 bottle of whiskey is a product of the EXACT same process as "i have a bf, why would i be your slave" patriotism. there is no whiskey extant today, ever existent in history or ever to be devises worth more than $2 a galon. for the very simple and strictly unassailable reason that grain alcohol is one step above wood alcohol, and approximately equal to gasoline.
asciilifeform: old crop of lizards preferred the drunken man; perhaps new crop -- prefers the 'pothead' as the ideal 'new sov^H^H^H^american man'..
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i cannot comment on the probability. only re the possibility ( it seems -- possible. )
mircea_popescu: ie, we're still comparing mud pies to the washington monument.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, entirely improbable. alcohol ~is even the reason america exists~, i'll point out ; the driver for slave trade was sugar cane not cotton, historically, and so on.
asciilifeform: they were rubbish when they first hit conveyor, and are rubbish now; good for intended purpose for maybe a year or 2 when new
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the funny bit, is that 'good' lithium-ion cell is a mythical unicorn
asciilifeform: hence the pantsuit coverage.
asciilifeform: these regularly explode.
BingoBoingo: Might be related to the strong non-polarity of stuff they want as a focus. Could be part kitchen lab, could be the butane has a favorable bias as a solvent.
asciilifeform: you need a ~$500k (turkeydollar) plant, to do it the adult way. and i suspect that there are not 500k of turkeydollar between them atm.
asciilifeform: well yes, currently they do
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Per pantsuitist media reports the Hashoilis use butane.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 04:52 ben_vulpes: characteristics of arbitrarium, hydrocarbon refinement byproducts of no more than your mom) are coming to further smear the soi-disant independent thinkers into precisely the same paste the megastate produces everywhere
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812886 << in actual industry ( as opposed to garage dope kitchen ) essential oils are extracted with supercritical co2, rather than petrochem ( i expected that ben_vulpes would know this )
BingoBoingo: I would estimate when I left old country that in my area ~25% of nicotine users had transtioned to the vapes for the majority of their nicotine ingestion
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect it will be same dynamic as with the battery-powered nicotine thing
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 16:12 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812854 << afaik the use of distilled thc 'tar' is comparatively unpopular, vs the raw leaf. sorta like distilled nicotine has not replaced traditional tobacco.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812934 << Rather soon after Colorado legalized "dabbing" started to become a thing. Folks vaporize distilled oils with LIon powered pocket exploders. Pantsuitist market this a "healthier and safer" than smoking
asciilifeform: and by extension, for instance, rng ( witness the lack of excitement among heathens in re fg, for instance : 'expensive, and what exactly does this do that my intel doesn't')
asciilifeform: observe that crypto is ~still~ the quintessential lemon market.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 04:53 mircea_popescu: cryptography is not securitizable for the same exact reason - before we came along NOT A SINGLE ANYTHING CARED.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812888 << tools that ~don'twork , end up unimportant, as they are 'routed around'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812861 << observe how ~all~ farming in usa, was put under 'soft kolhoz' by fdr ( and at exactly same time, and for same reasons, as in old su into 'proper' kolhoz) and nobody alive today remembers any other kind of farming
asciilifeform: there's an aesthetic component to the habit, in addition to the merely pharmacological.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 04:05 ben_vulpes: anyways this is a solvable problem and it's being solved by the people i told how to solve it by refining the otherwise excess product into shelf-stable distillates and offering lines of credit securitized by the refined product at market prices just like any other asset
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812854 << afaik the use of distilled thc 'tar' is comparatively unpopular, vs the raw leaf. sorta like distilled nicotine has not replaced traditional tobacco.
asciilifeform: that being said, afaik folx-with-money in usa prefer whiskey bottle, rather than 'joint' ; but this could change, already recent piles of printolade are distributed in the west, to 'joint' folx, in preference of east cost whiskeyists.
asciilifeform: there's a sufficiently heavy admixture of veblenism , to make engineer-style pronouncement of 'of course you need three acres and three years, and nobody's making more acres or more years' -- questionable
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 04:22 mircea_popescu: understand the difference between pork bellies and pot : pork bellies are a) the most closely guarded part of pigs which b) are animals that eat the most closely guarded part of corn which c) leaves exist to produce. there's three degrees of biomass reduction at work here, pork bellies are like tuna, not like fucking zooplankton. which is why prime tuna costs $$$ and pressed nori sheets are in the discount bin at the cheap st
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812870 << continuing with this, observe that obtaining alcohol is considerably simpler than prime pig or even 'californirast grade' pot ; and yet there is such a thing as a 200 $ bottle of whiskey
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 05:07 mircea_popescu: and following this logic -- because pot is relatively unimportant therefore it'll never be securitized. sure, it'll exist, like saltpeter exists, but nobody will give enough of a shit to learn by heart arbitrary names for geological deposits like "brent" or "texas sweet crude".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812908 << i suspect possible case of 'never say never'; in usa there are traders in... whiskey securities; and 'arbitrary names' abound (scotch, bourbon, etc) ; possible that in e.g. californistan , old man ethyl will give way to the green leaf as 'primary dope' and same agricultural-financial mechanics will apply to the new as did to the old
mod6: ahh. part of the whole thing is, even after all this time, im still pretty non-clued on the whole portage usage. i guess, one-adventure-at-a-time, im learning more.
asciilifeform: ( iirc gentoo on dulap -- and then as supplied to s.mg -- was baked from a stage4 of same vintage )
asciilifeform: and it represents the most recent asciilifeform-baked gentoo
mod6: ah. if you built the rockchips with that, i bet it would then, ya. yesterday, i was wondering which old one you must hvae used.
asciilifeform: mod6: if you still feel like experimenting , i'ma bet stage3-amd64-20161219.tar.bz2 ( the amd64 version of the arm64 stage3 i built the rockchip pilot plant image from ) will work 100%
mod6: Now, just gotta do this again with the 2nd box.
mod6: I did get one of the boxes installed so far with 4.9.4 GCC from an old stage3. Interestingly the stage3 from 2015 was too old (was complaining about EAPI things), but my other old stage3 from 20170316 was still ok.
mircea_popescu: and following this logic -- because pot is relatively unimportant therefore it'll never be securitized. sure, it'll exist, like saltpeter exists, but nobody will give enough of a shit to learn by heart arbitrary names for geological deposits like "brent" or "texas sweet crude".
mircea_popescu: the "robustness" principle is, properly speaking, the "computers are unimportant" principle.
mircea_popescu: the refinery isn't "liberal in what it accepts" -- on the fucking contrary, everything around it changes to provide it with the ~exact~ expected item.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in the general : much like to say that there was a limit where the flaunting of their foul acts and opinions before the world must stop" is exactly like saying "the emperor got his crown from the pope -- not the other way around" ie, "pantsuit is the sovereign", just EXACTLY so saying "be liberal in what you accept" is exactly saying "you're not worth two shits".
a111: Logged on 2018-03-02 18:21 mircea_popescu: JUST SO, the bank ~sold~ people bills to itself. if you pay the bank $5, you get in exchange... a bill for $5, that you can give to the bank, as if the bank had sat in your restaurant and ate $5 worth.
mircea_popescu: your problem is that you're trying "to guess what the word could mean" by "the context". whereas what the word actually means is a lengthy historical story very much in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-02#1786791
ben_vulpes: perhaps i misunderstand, but when i think "securitized" i think "brent" and the forsakeofargument "bvulpes reserve-grade distillate", which anyone can produce from flower if their heads are screwed on with more than 2 threads
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean, if shit only fucking worked and idiots kept their mouth shut and their gefingerpokers in their buttholes heh-heh-heh"
mircea_popescu: this is the other end of this same rifle barrel, you understand. we're indignant "shitgnomes, shitgnomes EVERYWHERE!!!", but meanwhile people in industry have to jump through flaming fucking hoops to keep the supply lines in working order. and they do. and they get good at it, and are slightly amused at the entitled neckbeards.
mircea_popescu: and that reason is... that the supply was made secure.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-12 21:57 mod6: We need exactly that, but something that yields an actual working box. I was unaware that since apparently last year, the wreckers junked us.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason oil refinery doesn't encounter the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812485 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-12#1812816 problem.
ben_vulpes: pot at least has yet to achieve full starbuxxification; and that industrial value-extractor-from-american-moocows will want standardized, homogeneous psychoactive product to spray atop its flavor-of-the-week flower imitation
ben_vulpes: how theoretically wouldja securitize cryptography
mircea_popescu: cryptography is not securitizable for the same exact reason - before we came along NOT A SINGLE ANYTHING CARED.
ben_vulpes: characteristics of arbitrarium, hydrocarbon refinement byproducts of no more than your mom) are coming to further smear the soi-disant independent thinkers into precisely the same paste the megastate produces everywhere
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: granted, it's a single level of biorefinement, but it's a 'lithium' for the folks who refuse to take their ballas-prescribed sedatives, preferring for whatever reason, the "natural stuff". i'm not saying it's not a pink-sheet securitizable, but that standards for the commoditized (and inevitably, securitized) product (thus and such cbd, that and so thc, viscosities of whatever, optical
hanbot waits for the "illegalize it" wall scrawls
mircea_popescu: turns out that if it's not illegal, it's not really all that demanded, either.
mircea_popescu: in other similar news : a) prostitution is legal here ; b) lazier, more disinterested in work "working" girls you never did see.
BingoBoingo: And the Uruguayos hate being reminded that the Dictatorship gave them their legal weed. Frente Amplia keeps trying to spam that it was their idea.
BingoBoingo: Despite wed having been legal in Uruguay since the Dictatorship legalized consumption in 1973, the Uruguayos still import from Paraguay
mircea_popescu: they suck at everything equally, if they manage to actually inhale 10% i count it a good month.
hanbot: er, half the bud it smoked.
hanbot: mircea_popescu half the bud all of san francisco lost might not be half the bud san francisco (bought and then) misplaced this month...
mircea_popescu: and yes, it's 80 dollars either way.
mircea_popescu: an acre of land can produce either ONE pig belly or else about half the bud all of san francisco smoked this month.
mircea_popescu: understand the difference between pork bellies and pot : pork bellies are a) the most closely guarded part of pigs which b) are animals that eat the most closely guarded part of corn which c) leaves exist to produce. there's three degrees of biomass reduction at work here, pork bellies are like tuna, not like fucking zooplankton. which is why prime tuna costs $$$ and pressed nori sheets are in the discount bin at the cheap st
BingoBoingo: Well, trinque They might be able to smoke it all day as price goes in the direction it does for robust agricultural commodities
ben_vulpes: it'll take a decade but there will be a securitizable asset here, just like pork bellies. only nobody stateside even wants to contemplate the notion because it runs so contrary to their self delusions and delusions of special "girl scout cookie" product burn away
trinque: this being the reason anyone ever dealt weed: to have a ton of weed around
ben_vulpes: and so the bankers will call on margin again and again as the marktomarket value descends.
ben_vulpes: it's entirely saleable as an input to industrial processes in precisely the same manner as nicotine is sprayed on cigarettes
mircea_popescu: outside of the imperial racket supporting it, ganja is worth exactly the same as usg's "intellectual property" or usg's "real estate" : ~0.
BingoBoingo: I imagine if you are in Oregon the winning move is to export
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, borrowing against the future dun work. what, then get the usg to "stockpile" it like sugar/corn ?
ben_vulpes: and yeah farmers get rekt and bankers book it; story of the ages.
ben_vulpes: anyways this is a solvable problem and it's being solved by the people i told how to solve it by refining the otherwise excess product into shelf-stable distillates and offering lines of credit securitized by the refined product at market prices just like any other asset
ben_vulpes: the lulz are so very thick
BingoBoingo: It's an agricultural product. Business seems to draw the "money while you sleep" crowd
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: From that link: "Jo Ann Hardesty Says She’s the Angry Black Woman Portland City Council Needs. We Agree."
mod6: I thought the second way would work, and in fact `gcc-config -l` does report : x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.8.4 ; however, it seems like none of the ebuilds would work with a stage3 that old.
mod6: (all the details are in #pizarro)
mod6: The second way, I just tried was with a stage3 from 2015: stage3-amd64-nomultilib-20150716.tar.bz2
mod6: Well, I've gotten stuck 2 different times. The first way was with a stage3 from yesterday, which, the install worked, but left me with GCC-6.4.0.
asciilifeform: now ~these~ i have not yet touched.
ben_vulpes: girthy spittoon, i still don't understand how the overlays of trinque's musl overlay work properly; not even really which knobs to pull
asciilifeform: mod6 is still ultimately right, gotta confiscate portage from the shitgnomes
mod6: if so, will keep track of the steps for a possible new doc.
mod6: alright, im gonna see if I can get ben_vulpes' downgrade dance to do the trick.
trinque: obviously there are other problems. if you want musl, you need ebuilds with musl patches. as it stands on stock gentoo, this means using "layman" which for the musl overlay, eats directly from shithub
trinque: mmmhm. they specifically called out gcc-4.x as excluded from glorious future.
mod6: We need exactly that, but something that yields an actual working box. I was unaware that since apparently last year, the wreckers junked us.
trinque: sure. and next time you blink they'll require clang
mod6: Once opon a time, the docs we put together for trb users to build a gentoo worked. Much better, and much more clear than the gentoo garbage docs.
trinque: if you were to build a gentoo using their standard instructions, nothing in that would block you from replacing with a cuntoo userland later.
trinque: mod6: it's very much in the works.
trinque: mod6's experience will repeat until we own the portage tree
trinque: I'd rather get a v-tree of our own portage going than continue to flail at the empire's ceaseless breakage.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-14 03:13 trinque: diana_coman: regarding your cuntoo build problem, net-tools upstream has apparently broken build on default gcc-4.9.4. If I pass -std=gnu99, the definer of IFNAMSIZ is included and the thing builds.
trinque: ben_vulpes: I'm awaiting the new V before I re-release that. I'll update the article if you like.
BingoBoingo: Now there's an option
mircea_popescu: зможное наличие дубликатов закрытого ключа. ", they produced that on their own power ? that's like... 1000% more than what the esl world managed.
mircea_popescu: but the good news is that lobbesbot permits you to do a bond auction a la carte.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 00:25 mircea_popescu: if i were you folk i would very seriously be looking at geting refinanced, taking ~300 rockchips there and filling a dozen us with them.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 03:06 mircea_popescu: besides, you can afford it, shockingly enough. 300 x 100 is what, 3.x btc. not the end of the world. if he actually gets it through the blocade you have an item arguably worth twice that.
mircea_popescu: anyway, be the details as they may : the original http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1809921 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1809793 discussion was looking at a trip 3x the size ; downsizing it (which seems unavoidably necessary for OP considerations) has the tucked in advantage that you don't specifically need to refinance, if you don't want to. so prolly should discuss in board what discounts do you expect to see pre and
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no, there are also the rockchips themselves. full breakdown http://cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/rockchip.lisp
ben_vulpes: safe-online-rsabox production plant buildout and consolidate the physical beachhead in .uy. so mod6 asciilifeform is the board inclined to raise more capital to build this out and attend to morale in sudamerica?
ben_vulpes: i crunched some numbers, and i think it's going to cost around 3 btc to put the production rockchip plant together and get it down south, all based on 4 2U's with 24 rockchippen each, transpo of ~2.5kusd and per-chassis fab costs of ~800usd. i think with the outrageous success of the rockchip pilot plant pizarro's in a *great* spot to refinance per mircea_popescu's suggestion, to provide for the production
BingoBoingo: mother[m]: Comó andas?
deedbot: mother[m] voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !!up mother[m]
BingoBoingo: <fromdeedbot> I mean globally << What part of moving from Southern Illinois to Uruguay on WoT fuel isn't global? Gotta circumnavigate or something?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in random lulz, "Copy right laws are in tact and if you violate those rules then you will be prosecuted."
mircea_popescu: why did you think the usg bitcoin-ersatz is a good thing ?
fromdeedbot: What do you guys have against Ethereum (if anything, maybe i am not rembering the logs correctly)
mircea_popescu: exactly as stated : that some of the usable bipedal mammals will get a serial id ; the unusable will get nothing. there's no birthright to the lordship.
fromdeedbot: what was the purpose of that demonstration?
mircea_popescu: everyone gets a tit string ; not everyone gets to be in the wot.
fromdeedbot: if a new internet is built and a pgp key is mandatory, and everyone is on the new internet..
mircea_popescu: not really. most people are neither useful nor interesting.
fromdeedbot: I am of the belief that things will move this direction naturally
mircea_popescu: if by globally you mean "we throw darts at a earth globe", then yes, you're that late. if by globally you mean "every last idiot on two legs" you're way the fuck early, in the sense that such miracle's never gonna happen.
mircea_popescu: it long ago has ; the republic built its uruguay datacenter out of what, you expect ? wot.
fromdeedbot: I thinlk that this type of system could change the way we define “percieved value” and even credit
mircea_popescu: so i take it you read http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ ?
fromdeedbot: and are they solid
fromdeedbot: that is exactly I why I read them… you guys have came up with a really cool thing
fromdeedbot: 1I have read a fair bit from here, and a lot of gitter.im logs from web3 and go-ethereum
fromdeedbot: I have to admit I have not read them in full, and if that is a pre req, I will.
fromdeedbot: and the deedbot got crossed up in my googling
fromdeedbot: well google landed me on your logs when I was researching the whole wiki leeks thing and how it related to bitcoin
fromdeedbot: So reg a new key with the new nick
fromdeedbot: ha! I kinda like it low key, but I’m not “from deedbot” in the way people might think… this is the only channel that I use tghis Nick
fromdeedbot: its a new way to set in stone, amongst many oother imagined, and not imagined yet things
mircea_popescu: how old are you then ?
mircea_popescu: hey, i don't mind. but understand that avoiding bad habits is a lifelong uncompletable task, there's no magic pill that'll keep you safe from such. certainly contemplation from outside isn't much of one.
fromdeedbot: because I have been into computers for a long time and I feel like I could contribute productive elements to the community if i knew how to exoress my ideas in the right languge
mircea_popescu: of course, the more cogent question is, ~why~ do you want to learn to code/program
mircea_popescu: either lisp or ada.
fromdeedbot: I want to learn to code/program. I am looking for sound advice on what to learn first. php? oop? python? I have looked all over the web and it seems everyone has a different opinion. any advice would be appredciated
mircea_popescu: and this is also why ~nobody of any consequence reads any of them. i'd rather read engelbert humperdinck's introduction to greek philosophy. at least he sings, which, unrelated as it may be, IS WAY THE FUCK MORE THAN ANY OF THESE IDLE FUCKTARDS EVER DID. or will ever do.
mircea_popescu: that's your "experts" zx2c4, from matthew retardenfield all the way down the mongoloid chain.
mircea_popescu: ls to discuss the matter, including spurious naming conventions and all the rest of the monkey dance, EXCEPT in terms of "leaking padding schemes are retarded, DO NOT DO THAT."
mircea_popescu: since we're discussing "retards are retarded", here's a fine example : https://archive.is/RbD9o ; it consists of a) let's leak through the inept choice of "pad by the value of padding, so if you need 5 bytes of padding pad with 5 bytes each = 5" (and then pretend this is not to be reviewed "because popular" and also do every other elbow trick in the book to stick it past) followed unneringly by... b) construct elaborate ritua
mircea_popescu: a better example of what exactly it means to be a monkey, with these inane expectations of wysiwyg-ism and gui-ism and rtfm-is-racist and nobody-will-ever-expect-you-to-think-if-they-truly-love-you and on AND ON...
lobbes: in other lulz: observe one hanno boeck in his natural habitat, one day before being called up for muppet duty, still doing... nothing >> http://archive.is/c8epK
a111: Logged on 2018-05-12 02:00 mircea_popescu: turn a tv on if you can find one, and tune it to mtv, which still exist. compare/contrast to 1988 mtv, it'll illustrate the matter perfectly.
lobbes: fig. 1: the mtv of today gave the d00d depicted in this ballas piece his own tv show >> https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/10/catfish.html << http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-12#1812646
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 23:19 asciilifeform: kurchatov being a great demo case; he had the authority to behead. laboratory -- worked. ( and not merely via 'copy leaked design', the ~indigenous~ nuke was crafted in parallel with the copied 'rds-1' , and subsequently went to production )
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 19:34 mircea_popescu: so : the faberge egg, the original, was made in 1885 ; but it was the continuation and in a sense the crowing of a current of thought (ie, culture) and proper civilisation that reached back over a centry.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, only one is livable, hence the "where are the rembrandts ?" and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713764 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812598 and on and on.
mircea_popescu: the world will be either authoritarian or totalitarian ; and only one of those is livable (though to people living through its early dissolution phases, it seems altogether as if things are improving -- much like the case may be that preteen orphans may subjectively perceive their first few hours with their new status actually liberating. then dinner time comes, and wel... the unbearable sadness of solitude sneaks in. somehow
mircea_popescu: but it didn't in fact work. so where do "rock'n'rollers" go when it's disco time ? same place zappa went, neh, to the bottle of bitters.
mircea_popescu: and hence the 1990s, and the "information superhighway" bs. they were going to, poor darlings, subvert the morloch, with a very naive, all-inclusive, republic v0.1, built out of "net neutrality" and wikipedia. except of course for the part where it didn't work, it was a splendid plan.
mircea_popescu: and that's what ultimately killed "music" (as particularly understood in the 1950-1980 interval) for schelling point-ness : the realisation that the only possible conclusion is cobain's ; and hence all the emo / goth / etc bs, tiptoeing around old man charon's boat.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 12:27 mircea_popescu: "If you are white, no positive, active role is left to you. Either you accommodate yourself to the unreasonable, or you play out your life in some futile back alley. You are doomed to this by the disgraceful history of your kind. Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not, but it is the way things are." << from another schmuck with a nobel prize.
mircea_popescu: very much the problem of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500956 ; though not for the causes he ascribes, nor with the divisions implicit etc. there's no future for man in the brave new world exactly in the sense and exactly for the reasons there was no future for man in soviet russia 8th decade. white, black, turqouise, russian, turkmen, georgian, it dun matter -- the only possible move for they confronted with totalitaria
mircea_popescu: it didn't become obvious "there's nothing there". what became obvious was the curt cobain problem : that the only ~possible~ move remaining for the "man alone" is suicide.
hanbot: mircea_popescu, so while people thought they can bring down the berlin wall they tuned into mtv, and once it became obvious there's nothing there they tuned out?