mircea_popescu: the " the price inevitably dips" theory works A LOT better if it doesn't have to dip under 6k.
mircea_popescu: and why is the chassis 1k ? am i missing something besides "aluminum" ? and why is the bitcoin 17252/2.75 = 6273?
mircea_popescu: why is the rc about 250% ?
mircea_popescu: fwiw, i see the ROC-RK3328-CC at ~40 to maybe as high as 55 depending on quantity. 100 in one batch should be about 4000 realistically.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, nsa is not adverse to making a new run, but it will take a while.
ben_vulpes: ya reasonable, will answer on the next context switch
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, it's a significant chunk of the cost of the rc, you realise ? YOU should be answering this, on the basis of, what you can sell.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: paying buyers, as they come
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what fraction of the plant do you figure should be equipped?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, honestly, it can wait for the better model. not like he's ~without~ fgs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: really i was hoping for next run to be the MB/sec lyso crystal fg. but, potentially, yes
mircea_popescu: mind also that 100 fgs are somewhat expensive ; and you're cash starved. neither for time nor for money do you want to marry the rockchip pile to fgs
ben_vulpes: right right well knowing that we booughtcha out i'm asking for a quote hoping (since confirmed) that a new run was in the works or to get one underway
mircea_popescu: we'll have to fabricate more ; which is in the early stages.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: for the love of all that is holy i hope you mean "pizarro bought all teh extant fg" and not "all the fg that will ever be already are"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, theres no more fgs.
ave1: But ofcourse only for the statically compiled binaries
ave1: it does not matter if the linux is glibc or musl, I tested also on a clean ubuntu arm64 image
ave1: so the aarch64-...-native run on aarch64 and are static
ave1: the static binaries, being static, run on all linuxes be it glibc or musl
ave1: note that the script creates cross-compilers first
a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 19:51 diana_coman: ave1, if I want to test your gnat-building script what steps should I follow so that I have at the end of it maximum info re what works/doesn't and in what context exactly?
ben_vulpes: well that's magnificent and the part i missed
asciilifeform: 1 man can carry 4u, or rather 100kg ( it is possible to have >4u in regulation-sized trunks ) plus rucksack 10kg.
ben_vulpes: my mistaken misunderstanding that you could only do 2 chassis of RC plant is incorrect then, which is actually cool
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: we're not shipping any more single servers down there until uy1 is gagging or l1 asks nicely
ben_vulpes: in the meantime, i'll focus on a landing page, wading through the sea of omg that is webhosting forums and planning in detail how to filter the sea, and booting alternatives to extant l1folks for 10kusd btc sales
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-15#356068 << anyways, since there's cash on hand and building what i think are 2 trips worth of rockchip plant would get us more than clearing rent, imma push to get the next two plants into fab so that when the price inevitably dips we have a basis on which to capture http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1809922
ben_vulpes: seventeen lmfao i ain't seen more than 2 in a week in recent memory. far more irksome the raw advertisements from which i must sift actual and extremely rare bits of important mail.
ben_vulpes: one only needs the single return envelope...
mircea_popescu: my takeaway from this is, "if establishing natoreich household, saw oil barrel in half, dump grill charcoal + mail there weekly or w/e"
asciilifeform: or do you conscript the childrenz to do it
ben_vulpes: why bother
ben_vulpes doesn't depreciate shredder blades on anything but the plastic; everything else gets packed into the prepaid return envelopes
ben_vulpes: far more interesting story than context-free bitchin about the spam imho
asciilifeform: mod6: there's a fictional lever
ben_vulpes: ah ty asciilifeform, the spare spleen where i keep anxiety thanks you
mod6: there's no opt out lever.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-16 02:39 asciilifeform: hey ben_vulpes , trinque , mod6 , do you also get these horrors in the post ?
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-16#356583 << have you pulled the opt out lever and contend it doesn't work or have you not yet
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-15 14:56 asciilifeform: esp given as the fact that the project has cost asciilifeform a good % of his btc and the bulk of his usd
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-15#355976 << if you're burning usd that shoulda been billed to the corp, pls to do so. otherwise, you're burning the usd to...get btc? i don't really understand the objection.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-16#356543 << i've got folks in-wot i've already pushing btc to over amazon; i'm pretty comfortable with orders in the range of 500-2000 usd; what i'm looking for are folks that want to eat on the order of 10kusd of btc every month or so, that's the comfortable headroom i'd like
mircea_popescu: this is what they do.
mircea_popescu: o btw asciilifeform , here's a hysterical example of the usual boeckisms : http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i/#comment-125502
mod6: <+asciilifeform> hey ben_vulpes , trinque , mod6 , do you also get these horrors in the post ? << oh yeah. i end up with bushels to burn every quarter.
mircea_popescu: because there really isn't anything else.
a111: Logged on 2014-02-13 01:00 asciilifeform: fact is, 'carding' could disappear overnight if the card issuers wished it. (even in countries with ubiquitous old-style magnetic readers. devices which present the correct magnetism, using one-time account #s, are trivial.)
mircea_popescu: they ~are~ useful, principally in the sense of giving agent a pile of them when sent on mission. but that's about it.
trinque: meanwhile creating however many billions of "fraud" within which to hide whatever the bank wants.
mircea_popescu: it takes a dose of imbecillity on the level of such displayed in fargo, to use credit card as a means of payment.
mircea_popescu: except the way it works is restaurant/bar/whartever you frequent is stuck hiring the fucktarded neets, who have massive turnover, and are potheads/convicts universally. just a matter of time before one swipes your card, and then go, explain that th4e charges were bogus at restaurant down the street you visit weekly.
asciilifeform: lobbes: typically they're harvested straight from vendor's db
lobbes: lulzy out there
lobbes: apparently us kidz these days are getting their ss#s harvested from the numerous 'ransomware attacks' on schools (i.e phishing government employees to give access to poorly protected data)
asciilifeform: sad part is that it dun actually ~require~ collecting rubbish, these days...
mircea_popescu: more than half of the "global economy threatening" "fraud" comes from this.
mircea_popescu: it was rare in the 90s ; it's pestilentially common now.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they get shredded not to shove'em moar compactly into rubbish bin, but because there are 'specialists' who collect'em from rubbish, fill'em out, then swipe from postbox when 'activated' card comes in, then max it, and luser finds out when wages start vanishing
trinque: sure, one year 0%, then only 25%, and etc
mircea_popescu: anyway, this discussion is vividly bringing to mind acquaintance there. erry day he'd religiously shred the mail spam. "hey, why do you not read it ?" "well, it's spam, waste of time to read. that's why i shred". erry day, half hour, at the least. saving self from the waste of time.
asciilifeform: nao they introduced ~metal~ cards. but these dun get sent unsoliced -- yet. when they start to, i'ma have to... idk, first burn, then slice what remains with guillotine ?
asciilifeform: they literally fill my postbox on occasion
mircea_popescu: well sure as fuck not with a card lol. unless i suppose the occasional "platinum iridium black iridiscent" cuck
asciilifeform: ( and it is unknown to asciilifeform whether anyone actually buys the 100k boats/planes/etc one can find listed on lulazon. it is entirely possible that : not )
mircea_popescu solidly despises anyone accepting credit cards as means of payment. they're the modern day equivalent of medieval pub wenches, there to have children of unknown paternity each year.
mircea_popescu: not to mention nobody but the lozeriest of consumer sellers would ~even consider~ the bs "arbitration" and visa opining on things and matters.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck's gonna give visa 60 days layover on a mn or two.
mircea_popescu: not in my experience, they settle in 60 days or some dumb shit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can buy tanker with visa, if one insists. ( and they also issue own card, and profit thereby , good % of users have it )
mircea_popescu: anyway, amazon also sells larger items, such as electric equipment, boats, w/e. how the fuck they do that via visa is anyone's guess.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, alrighty, but by now pressure's off you by a degree of magnitude at least. which was the idea, let's put out fires before they catch.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 1 non-cn component ( aside from asciilifeform-crafted ironworks ) is the samsung ssd
mircea_popescu kinda doesn't know when these are needed nowadays o.O
mircea_popescu: lobbes, a cool, so you don't need an introduction then.
mircea_popescu: it'd be indeed surprising if a) anyone selling useful electronics wasn't from china or b) anyone from china couldn't eat wires. and so there you go.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, cool. any of them want to be wirepaid ?
mircea_popescu: find some hunks you like and ~take them home~.
mircea_popescu: and same for chicks you pick off any other fetlife, whether they call themselves "localzon" or "amabitcoins" or ANYTHING ELSE. meat markets, all of them.
mircea_popescu: in general, the PERSONALIZATION of all relationships is the key to victory. yes, you met her at the casino bar, but this doesn't mean anything abotu the fucking casino bar.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, this is fine for you neh, talk to rc suppliers, qwho are all in china, until one wants to sell 96 pcs on wire. this way you know who to talk to about ~other~ pieces also later on, as i fucking doubt anyone only sells rc on amazon yes ?
asciilifeform: lobbes: it does. doesn't do anything for wires tho. and i looked in the docs, word 'wire' is only mentioned in re third-party sellers on lulazon being able to accept them ( on own power ) as payment
mircea_popescu: for that matter -- specializing a few localbitcoinists, if this is at all possible, has the advantage of you know -- adding people.
mircea_popescu: solutions abound ; but yes they don't fall in the eager open mouths, have to be actually applied to work.
asciilifeform: the other thing, i doubt that lulazon is sole source for anything. merely fast/convenient in asciilifeform's locale. but e.g. the rc board ~is~ available elsewhere
mircea_popescu: you think amazon doesn't have exactly the same problems as pizarro ?
mircea_popescu: usa bank card is what, 40% of the market.
mircea_popescu: when the hell did that happen ? im pretty sure i ever only paid it via wire
mircea_popescu: how did dc bank account morph into "BingoBoingo's piggy" and why can't you have the same process for, eg, ordering shit off amazon.
mircea_popescu: this is so bizarre. it's like talking to the insane.
asciilifeform: ( tho i'ma prolly still need a hand with those, from other l1 folx with lulazon accts )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> odds are, "country" is "where person selected they;'re located". << That's the deal. People doing wires do wires. Just gotta route around USistan
mircea_popescu: to add to that pile : looked at "adclerks.com" recently ; advertising item that claims to take bitcoin. discovered that actually the largest sites listed are tiny, and it's altogether dubious the sum of the top dozen or w/e actually adds up to trilema.
asciilifeform: ( the 2013 item )
a111: Logged on 2013-09-06 20:10 kakobrekla: we debunked primeasic on the second day
mircea_popescu: and if it does that, you got an item. remember the first actually deeded item, smickles' report re i don't recall which scamfest ?
mircea_popescu: odds are, "country" is "where person selected they;'re located".
mircea_popescu: sure, you know the bank acct.
asciilifeform: or am i misconfiging the search box
mircea_popescu: anyway, considering how little your needs are (what was it, a few k's worth of monthly wire ?), if indeed the whole of localbitcoins can't provide against hard currency, THAT is a qntra lulz item right fucking there.
mircea_popescu: most people kinda discover this when kids reach school age -- while no such thing as perfect school... nevertheless, gotta send them somewhere!
mircea_popescu: anyways -- something is better than nothing ; i'm not insisting on the specific someting, merely provided by means of example. as long as there's something.
a111: Logged on 2015-01-28 07:42 mircea_popescu: In Bitcoin this responsibility is based not in law, but fact. LocalBitcoins chose to fart on their plates and some of their weaker customers who trusted them are now ill. It doesn't matter where what was served was contaminated, but that LocalBitcoins served poison. Yes the consumers ought to have known better, but in the future knowing better means escewing a venue that sells turds as sausages on the virtue of both be
mircea_popescu: re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-15#1813559 : one important palliative measure would be for ben_vulpes to create a strong presence on localbitcoins, if nowhere else. there's people there willing to do wires for you, and you never know when it comes handy in a pinch.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
jurov: spyked, iirc we used 4 accounts and it took about a month? surely it's in the log
diana_coman: so I started ave1's script on a pc and hopefully I'll have a fresh gnat in the morning
a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 21:55 diana_coman: aha, why I chose the other one; but I can try the native one anyway too, sure
asciilifeform: (there's a reason we're even doing ada.)
mircea_popescu: size and difficulty are not considerations ; the only thing that makes items unattractive is the scent of "other rats" to borrow an eden metaphore.
mircea_popescu: attractive problems are always and without exception those where all muck has been cleared and the naked wall of reality is expoised.
mircea_popescu: looky : a) eventually you will have a binary to cut the boostrap knot ; b) that'll have to be audited ; c) the golden standard of auditing is and remains "check the bricks" rather than "verify the bricking process". hence things like the radioactive brick in cement.
diana_coman quit once a "workplace" with the exact: your idiotic problems won't be my problems anymore
asciilifeform: if even 1 bit differs -- then, inquest.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the correct way to expose thompsonism, is to implement the compiler, and THEN to diff the bins.
asciilifeform: medieval serfs who built '400 year' cathedrals, were at least able to see the stones.
asciilifeform: it is much harder problem , than, say, to clear ALL of the unexploded ordnance from ww2. a mine, whatever else can be said of it, is at least a physical object.
mircea_popescu: and "drink the ocean" is an eminently attractive problem. in fact, i know of no more attractive class.
mircea_popescu: you meet idiots by having dumb problems. that's what jail fucking is, even : forced dating club for the sort of idiots dumb enough to be petty criminals.
asciilifeform: 'write new ada from the spect' is an attractive problem. 'drink the ocean' , not so much.
asciilifeform: 'come and drink the ocean with me' ?
mircea_popescu: and how do you propose TO MEET THEM ?
asciilifeform: *other 11
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'nothing weighs too much', unfortunately this is not so, there are maybe a dozen people who can play, alive, and i actually dun know any of the other 19 , and even a 64kB binturd can be month's work, and problem is not O(n) even.
asciilifeform: ( this is the kind of thing that uncovers thompsonism, say )
mircea_popescu: a lot of peripheral, deeply useful work for the intelligent tuned in.
asciilifeform: incidentally 1 other interesting auxiliary project , would be to determine what is the oldest gnat that will build ave1's generator
mircea_popescu: the only impossible task is the undefined task. once we pinned it down in the "this and naught else" format, it's doable.
asciilifeform: ( the thing weighs far too much for anyone to ever audit in the sense contemplated with e.g. ffa )
mircea_popescu: there is no way to ~not~ distribute binaries, ever, at all, because of the bootstrap problem.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I really get that but onth if I have to get a bin I'd much, much rather get one from you than from adacore
asciilifeform: then -- can tentatively say 'official binaries'
a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 21:45 asciilifeform: ( we will find and kill wherever it is gcc's back-end pisses time/date/whatever-unique turds into the output elf )
asciilifeform: once we get http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-15#1813778 , and determine that the thing builds itself , and result builds itself, .... , n-deep
mircea_popescu: we prolly want to hold the complete set as a sort of standard somewhere anyway.
asciilifeform: can try also the pc version, on pc ; or later rebuild and get all 4 proper ones once eggog fixed
asciilifeform: can try the 'native' ( it prolly won't run, iirc it needs a musltronic linux )
diana_coman: hm, let me try again then
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rrright, but let's award the medals ~after~ problem is Trooly Solved ; otherwise we risk to run out of medals prematurely
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i certainly am contemplating same for s.mg. after all, if one's not gonna tie himself to the smart ones, who will he tie himself to.
diana_coman: and fwiw I tried running from there also ./aarch64-musl-linux-cpp -> same result
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, this should be the arm thing; hence the above confirmation with asciilifeform that I took the correct thing
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, it builds an arm AND a x86 item. using the right one ?
diana_coman: this on the rockchip, obv
asciilifeform has no objection , if the rest of the board does not, to awarding fella a modest prize , if this in fact worxxx
diana_coman: well, I took it, checked it and it was ok, unpacked it and then went to its bin and tried to run gprbuild for instance and it died with exec format error...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, might be an idea to put the fellow on the pizarro warrants list, considering impact.
asciilifeform: the one i tested earlier, on pc, was muslaarch64-linux-muslada.tar.gz .
diana_coman: asciilifeform, nosuchlabs.com/pub/ada/ave1/muslaarch64-linux-muslada.tar.gz should be for the rockchip, correct?
asciilifeform: ( if it works for building anything, should just the same build itself )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 1 suggested test, will be to build the thing on itself , on arm
asciilifeform: ( we will find and kill wherever it is gcc's back-end pisses time/date/whatever-unique turds into the output elf )
asciilifeform: if diana_coman 's arm64 test pans out, this item will be included in the standard rockchip kit from that point on.
asciilifeform: i.e. the musltronic gnat itself, is a properly static, musltronic elf.
asciilifeform: the 'native' ones, iirc, expect an existing musl linux; i tested the x86-64 'muslada'
asciilifeform: diana_coman: want the tarball ? ( i have not tested it )
asciilifeform: in principle , the thing will run on any box with an already working gnat.
asciilifeform: i omitted a step 5 ) put in ~/.bash_profile , the path, e.g. PATH="/home/foo/temp/ada/ada-musl-cross-2018-05-15/bin/x86_64-linux-musl/bin/:$PATH"; export PATH
asciilifeform: i built a ch10 ffa with it, and the result runs.
asciilifeform: 5-6 hours later ( the parallelization thing dun seem to work, and good chunk of time is spent in autoconf, which never parallelizes ) you get x86-64 and arm64 gnats
asciilifeform: in (4) naturally you put the path of your 'bin' that you made in (3)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: steps to replicate: 0) on a machine WITH A WORKING GNAT (e.g. adacore's , and it must be in your path already ) 1 ) download the tarball from http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-partial-and-parallel-build-support 2) unpack tarball ada-musl-cross-2018-05-15.tgz , go to the dir 3) mkdir bin << this is where the built binariola will live 4) ./build-ada.sh /home/foo/temp/ada/ada-musl-cross-2018-05-15/bin
mircea_popescu: bwahaha. by now the factor of punches to "threats" approaches the facebook.content to facebook.mark-up proportion.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: working through the conveyor...
mircea_popescu: lmao you got add over there or what!
asciilifeform: however : i get 'exec format error' when trying to run any of the bins!!!
a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 21:11 mircea_popescu: ancient lulz. basically the 2nd largest exchange (tree something) ran off with the funds, the people involved re-emerged doing all sorts of real estate and "trading" scams.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-15#1813690 << tradehill, actually. http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-pr-almost-two-years-in-the-swamp-an-anthology/#selection-1753.0-1757.232
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apparently not ~completely~ gone away: https://archive.li/Byweq << in the 'stipendi peccatus mors est' files
mircea_popescu: ancient lulz. basically the 2nd largest exchange (tree something) ran off with the funds, the people involved re-emerged doing all sorts of real estate and "trading" scams.
asciilifeform: seems to be a long-lived chumpatron, like ethertardium
mircea_popescu: talking of tor feels a little like talking of meni rosenfeld's bitcoin scam. anyone recall that "o ya, bcrypt, best tool on the market" lulzfest ?
asciilifeform: ( per the letter of the law, iirc they're all 100% guilty , there is not an official 'common carrier' exemption for'em or anyone without Note From Hitler )
asciilifeform: looks like they're bringing'em against otherwise-marked-for-discard tor/proxy/etc operators nao
mircea_popescu: anyway, re other lulz, i can't imagine anyone can possibly regard "child pornography charges" / "sexual assault charges" etc brought by the criminal org as anything than shameful fabrications.
asciilifeform: and , gold, '...claims that he initially provided assistance to the FBI’s investigation. Following the search of his apartment in March 2017, prosecutors waited six months to bring the child pornography charges'
asciilifeform: '...when he left the CIA in 2016, suspicion fell upon him as “the only one to have recently departed [the CIA engineering group] on poor terms' << lol!!
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 16:43 asciilifeform: ^ d00d with large collection of debian-style 'famous p's and q's', even once showed up here and asked to get phuctor's, and he did, but somehow his collection includes ~whole keys~ rather than factors. soon i'ma feed in ~his~ collection.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 15:57 asciilifeform: it is in the conveyor, along with 'where from?' stat in 'factor/123' page (e.g. 'debian collection', 'cisco', etc)
asciilifeform: in unrelated noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-06#1810457 is rolled out to production. see stats pg and e.g. http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/6447 ( currently there is only 1 'special collection' of factors -- debian victims; but soon will have many more, from e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-06#1810470 )
mircea_popescu: mod6, i don't even have a problem with the mb, per se, i mean holy hell there's trilema pages consisting of tables or novels or w/e the fuck. but that mb is <1% markup for the love of christ, not 99%.
mircea_popescu: the externalized costs, you know ? suddenly puts into a whole new perspective the "net neutrality" thing. srsly, i must buy more switches cuz your "pages" are larger than my porn collection ?!
mircea_popescu: i shit you not. here's the page : https://archive.is/OJrrE ; here's the story : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uGngm/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: in utterly other lulz, i just archived a facebook page. anyone care to guess the aggregate byte size ?
mircea_popescu: there's ~some~ diversity even among orcs.
mod6: Yah, and possibly fg. I know there is a sentiment that orcs are not interested in fg -- however, there are people I've talked to who are pretty interested in that. Don't have coins to buy one, however, still, interest is there.
mircea_popescu: suppose there's a facebook group. suppose whatever the fuck, i dunno, i do other things.
mod6: If we can get a landing page up -- then ya, can do some advertising.
mod6: Well, not a kid, but young guy. So who knows, maybe we'll make him a customer on the shared-environment.
diana_coman: ave1, if I want to test your gnat-building script what steps should I follow so that I have at the end of it maximum info re what works/doesn't and in what context exactly?
spyked: jurov, do you by any chance remember how long it took for you to extract all the keys?
spyked can confirm that the ^ method worx.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-10 14:39 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-10#1811871 << how didja enumerate the users ?
BingoBoingo: After substantially more waiting in line, the cedula is in hand
asciilifeform: ave1: but i did remember it after 1 failed run. possibly gotta zap the existing build ?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-15 13:58 mircea_popescu: well, why not kick him while he's down. so, ben_vulpes , do you understand the meaning of "They know how to work those" in http://trilema.com/2013/attention-cunt/#selection-37.37-37.64 ?
ave1: same as last time, ADA_OBJECTS_PATH and ADA_INCLUDE_PATH need to be *not* set. I can add the resetting of these variables to the script, but unsetting a variable is not something I usually do in a script.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 13:53 asciilifeform: unless it wants a nonstandard var name ? ( what does it want? there are 0 docs )
ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-15#1813474, it uses MAKEOPTS, could you paste the contents of "build/build-bootstrap/config.sh" ? I will add a readme file to the set.
mod6: Still, having them is required, but we still gotta sell 'em.
mod6: Just trying to see if we have enough money to get 48 RC's built and delivered down there.
asciilifeform: mod6: in theory: in 2u
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, well, actually, the whales eat the way successful business sells : like we breathe.
asciilifeform: ( recall, btw, the crackpot who wanted to disperse food into the air and breathe it , lol )
asciilifeform: ( the other front line , is that we gotta get moar saleables, in particular rockchip system, asap )
mircea_popescu: takes up 50 tons of water per mouthful, one mouthful per minute, each minute, all day fucking long, each day of the loving year.
asciilifeform: then yes
mircea_popescu: seawater does whale no good either.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta why i doubt that the whale is the correct model. not all protein , from our pov, is created equally, a webtard with a few satoshi to his name, does us no good
mircea_popescu: whale's just looking for protein. how the protein subjectively sees itself as packaged, "krill", "rabbit"... frankly none of the whale's problem.
mod6: Well, I can agree, we need to get the word out.
asciilifeform: whale is looking for plankton; if he were filter feeding for, e.g. , rabbits, in the sea -- might have problem
asciilifeform: fact of the matter is, for the price of pizarro rockchip, heathen can get 5x the cpu with 10x the bandwidth in heathendom. how to persuade him to instead buy this ?
mircea_popescu: i don't know of any method besides filter feeding. and do you know what's the primary ingredient for filter feeding ?
asciilifeform: and the lack of discussion , is quite worrisome
asciilifeform: this is why asciilifeform has serious headache , re the heathen component -- currently i've nfi how to appeal to them in any way at all
mircea_popescu: they're even more retarded than tardstalk, if that were even possible.
mircea_popescu: consider for instance how the whole http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/04/17/rfc-euloras-communication-protocol-eucomms/#comment-1169 pile worked. we know things from there we don't know from what you're describing.
asciilifeform: ( heathens virtually always insist on 'private' comm, and have to be beaten with a stick to even contemplate sane conversation )
mircea_popescu: but you didn't do this in a useful way ; because there's, for instance, no way for your friends (such as, say, you from the future) to reference it! or for the op to see anything.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 01:50 asciilifeform: here's a sample of convos b/w asciilifeform and heathens ( whom he knows irl, over yrs ) : 'why didja put it in UY, bw costs 4x moar than in usa and cia will still steal yer iron eventually' ; 'i have to do what!? to get server in the rack?!' etc
asciilifeform: asciilifeform reached out to several intelligent heathen folk of old acquaintance ; and got same response from each , i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1808491
mircea_popescu: and this;d be a major problem ~even if~ l1 added up to 50%+1 of the entire world.
mircea_popescu: the problem as far as i discern it is, "not only there's no conversation going, but the mutism threatens to entrench itself as a 'way to be', and it's not sustainable". when's the last time pizarro talked to anyone ? gotta talk to people, somehow, somewhere. silence is a first approximation of death.
asciilifeform: heathens on the board, for instance, imho would thoroughly trash the 'l1 isp' premise.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's particular concern , is , in short form : right now we have the ~physical~ component of the item we wanted for yrs , a l1-operated locking-cage isp. but not ~economic~ component, because l1 does not presently add up to sufficient custom to power the thing 100% . so it needs heathen power. but this must be achieved without compromising on the 'l1 isp' .