mircea_popescu: aaanyway. we burned some sort of local cedar or something, i have nfi what it is, but i smelled delicious in the shower. and there's someone sniffing my shirt from the laundry basket.
mircea_popescu: had i seen the channel first though....
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, holy shit, so i was on the beach where we ran into this very bubbly florida chick there for "a women's empowerment seminar", which i thought was bizarre.
mircea_popescu: the only reason is most rather than all is because pimps are lazy and disorganized. cattle ranchers, all.
mircea_popescu: are you fucking kidding me ?! most pimps brand the hos, wtf.
mircea_popescu: in other fetlife lulz, "You look like you run a cult so Im gonna pass."
esthlos: ^^ please check out the prerelease
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/16/tin-cans-full-of-misery-riding-the-bus-in-uruguay/ << Bingo Blog - Tin Cans Full Of Misery Riding The Bus In Uruguay
asciilifeform: ( ^ this permits decoupling of the front- and back- ends, theoretically 'anyone' can offer a valid factor for a particular modulus, and the db will Do The Right Thing . but currently only used in-house )
asciilifeform: ( the other change, is not interesting to anyone but asciilifeform , but i will put it on the record : the thing has a 'json' api nao )
asciilifeform: in other noose, phuctor frontend updated; e.g. in http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factors , formatting of individual factor pages , and a few other minor things
PeterL: Just got a new computer at work, testing things out. (they upgraded us all to Winblows 10, horay! bleh)
PeterL: Oh, hi there
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty. If there's a way to avoid transit in the tin can of sadness, it is appreciated.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty. I'll plan to get on the bus Friday. In the interim if you could send keepalive/IRunhappy packets to AES/DHL, just to see if the package could appear without getting on the tin can of misery it would be appreciated.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And are there reciepts or anything beyond the tracking page and demand letter? These people are big on invoices and I lack one.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Still rather cough-y
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the absolute requirement is for a usb3 ( specifically, otherwise box unusably laggy ) drive, with reasonable write-wear endurance ( rules out 'no-names' quite thoroughly )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in my tour of the ( sadly quite few ) working comp shops of BingoBoingostan , no identical or comparable unit turned up
mircea_popescu: incide4ntally, is the samsung item availavble locally ? "no oem" may have the counter-property that "same price everywhere"
BingoBoingo: Not yet, I'm not thrilled with the prospect of a 3-4 hour minimum airport adventure trying to argue the finer points of a pre-paid customs program I am unfamiliar with. Have you tried twisting the nipple of the prepaid customs folks yet? Escalating the DHL thing?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, perhaps should organize a carrying of various spare odds and ends such as a dc must have on hand but the orcs do not : assorted cables, spare hdds / cards etc.
asciilifeform: the latter
BingoBoingo: I have heard nothing. Did you simply mail them the scan, or did you accompany it with: With respect to [tracking number] here is the requested document. Considering [whatever prepaid customs program, and Amazon order #], I am confused as to why this parcel has not been delivered.
BingoBoingo: Exchange rates are on BIG signs in the windows of cambios in every corner, and yet the common perception is the peso Argentino is "worth more" than the peso Uruguayo
mircea_popescu: and i bet you they're still pompously going about buenos aires, buying socks on credit and acting like renting their hovels is anything but an act of grace such that you get the wife/daugthers every night you feel like.
BingoBoingo: It's a hell of a spread, but this is the lowest I've seen the Argentine peso in my time here. Compra/Venta on the USD is 30/31 so the Pesos Uruguayo has dropped a bit too, but WTF Argentina
mircea_popescu: hey, better than the 3.5x it was for a while.
BingoBoingo: And in other developments, Cambios are now buying Argentine pesos for 0.9 Pesos Uruguayos. The cambios however are still selling Argentine Pesos for 1.6 Pesos Uruguayos.
mircea_popescu: burn the whole shitpile down omfg.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the fucking cheek of those fuckers. seriously, they're going to be the indirection layer between you and your friends ? and what else, "web platforms" ?
mircea_popescu: jurov, yes, wires are not free. i'd rather pay that 50 than almost any other 50 though.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, some of the "transferwise" "customers" are evidently into money laundering, as the entire "service" transparently reeks of. soo... mno.
asciilifeform: my current guess ( given that jurov did not say in detail ) is that he was involved with it on ~receiving~ end, unknowingly , and that some % of the folx offering 'wire' for btc, actually send spamolafauxwire
mircea_popescu: who the fuck would want to get involved with that nonsense jebus.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sounds like the old 'ripple' scamola
BingoBoingo: from wikipedoia: "TransferWise routes payments not by transferring the sender's money directly to the recipient, but by redirecting them to the recipient of an equivalent transfer going in the opposite direction. Likewise, the recipient of the transfer receives a payment not from the sender initiating the transfer, but from the sender of the equivalent transfer. This process avoids currency conversion and transfers crossing borders"
jurov: transferwise was better than paypal as they don't hold funds, they send each wire directly to my bank. if i used paypal, they have no problem to seize whole account.
asciilifeform: i mean, out of context, it reads quite oddly, '... and then i was excommunicated' 'but were you even in the church' 'no' '???'
mircea_popescu: i dunno specifically, but you follow the trail, in general.
asciilifeform: jurov: from the description, it sounds like a paypal. so say you were proclaimed persona non grata by paypal. what's it to you ?
mircea_popescu: well, you ask whoever told you "so and so decliend" who asked them anything.
mircea_popescu: so who asked them ?
jurov: asciilifeform: transferwise declined all further wires to my acct
asciilifeform: jurov: what , exactly , happened ? the wire unwound ? police showed up and burned down house ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 00:10 mircea_popescu: re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-15#1813559 : one important palliative measure would be for ben_vulpes to create a strong presence on localbitcoins, if nowhere else. there's people there willing to do wires for you, and you never know when it comes handy in a pinch.
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1813874 << i was somewhat successful on localbitcoins, until (presumably, noone said me details) they started to wire me stolen money.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 21:28 asciilifeform: diana_coman: steps to replicate: 0) on a machine WITH A WORKING GNAT (e.g. adacore's , and it must be in your path already ) 1 ) download the tarball from http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-partial-and-parallel-build-support 2) unpack tarball ada-musl-cross-2018-05-15.tgz , go to the dir 3) mkdir bin << this is where the built binariola will live 4) ./build-ada.sh /home/foo/temp/ada/ada-musl-cross-2018-05-15/bin
asciilifeform: ( in shot 1, it used the adacore gnat installed in first step of procedure http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-15#1813719 )
asciilifeform: in theory this is exactly what you'll get if you 1) install the output of ave1's system on a clean box 2) build the thing, now there, again
diana_coman: ah, free bla bla; no, I meant with the output of ave1's script (even if at the very root one used adacore's, once upon a time, fine); basically what I was trying to do yesterday on rockchip
asciilifeform: i assume 'non-adacore' implied the former ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there are 2 known gnat codebase 'forks' , 'fsf'/gnu and adacore
asciilifeform: this'd be quite a feat, even small proggies apparently have problems building with the 'gnuified' gnat
mircea_popescu: "why no more persian empire after 600 ?" "because they started asking the wrong things of the wrong people"
mircea_popescu: ve centuries after the fact) directly map into current republican ideology on the topic.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 15:13 mircea_popescu , incidentally, is a huge persian poetry fan. i mean the pre rinascimento stuff.
mircea_popescu: to continue http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814352 : take the nizami story of khosrow (last persian ruler) and shirin (possibly roman princess). not only is it usually rendered in pantsuit retellings as "farhad and shirin" (farhad being the politruk, modernist element / in his own mind only rival to the king), but the very naive "women get a say, not the natural but the fabricated sort" it's steeped in (written as it is fi
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 03:57 asciilifeform: 1 man can carry 4u, or rather 100kg ( it is possible to have >4u in regulation-sized trunks ) plus rucksack 10kg.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814083 << Unless it changed on Copa from the US you should be getting two checked bags, one overhead carryon up to 22kg, and one rucksack for under the seat in front of you.
BingoBoingo: Going on six weeks without a sighting. I was worried the Irish would reinfest the place, but that worry hasn't been realized
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 13:32 asciilifeform: and re time on site : i can't picture needing more than 3 days : 1 to sleep ( asciilifeform can't sleep on planes ) ; 1 to install fg and emplace the boxen into the rack ; 1 for overflow .
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814280 << If you want more overflow time in UY, there's plenty of racks in the barracks this time of year
mod6: I guess, it may all be moot if we can't easily convert the BTC->USD to pay ze bills.
mod6: I think we could maybe get it done by end of May. However, we have two other things that need primary focus (others may disagree) at the moment. We need to pay bills, and we need BTC->USD interface.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform mod6: y'all have a timeline for this second round or are we going to leave it at "when necessary"? i prefer to capture commitments shortly after their made (none of this private equity "you commit twenty million today, we ask for it in three years and returns are evaluated on time from wire clearing to divestment date" silliness), and moreover having and not needing trumps needing and having to
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 16:25 phf: aight, i'm going to be out of commission until mid may. i have comments for eulora that i need to type up (i got to sit down with a printout out over this weekend), i'm not sure about the amount of work required for the grapher until i have time to sit down and read v.pl (i sort of have an idea of how to implement it as part of vtools, but i'm not sure if the slicing is adequate), until i do i don't have a clear idea of how long it's going to take. i m
mircea_popescu: oh btw, is today the 16th of may ?
mod6: mod6 can make up the difference if required (I believe).
mod6: I'm fine to do another round of at least 5 (maybe more) -- but I was under the impression that asciilifeform was sort-of nearly btc-tapped out. But I didn't want to presume anything.
mircea_popescu: welcome to the lifecycle of business intro course!
mircea_popescu: so agree that you'll each add another 5btc as circumstances merit ; then pizarro has all the backing it needs and a clear path to success. and if the circumstances "merit" in the sense that it needs rescuing rather than it's expanding, you can fire the management and get someone else or w/e.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> or does mod6 do 20 you do 5 and you're ballooned out ? :D << This is a possibility. Although, I'm not sure I want to outlay that much at the moment.
mircea_popescu: the fact that pizarro is actually well supported is the principal part, for its commercial credit. otherwise, it can't well spend even the 10 it has so far, 1.5 or so go to the rockchips, then it's all "get sales going".
mod6: asciilifeform: how do you feel about such a proposition? If I add in another, say 5 or 10 BTC, does this present any problems in your mind?
mircea_popescu: well then pizarro is doing fine!
mod6: I think I'm fine to personally add in another 5 BTC at least, maybe 10 BTC. But depends on discussions, etc.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814305 << i was thinking, valgrind is more of a "let's see what the githubheads did here" tool than a "i wonder if i can write code" tool.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i'm not opposed to 2nd round, and would participate, iirc ben_vulpes & mod6 are weighing the numberz even as we speak. << yeah, we've been talking about this, indeed.
mircea_popescu: alrighty then.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6, you see holes in ye logic ? << Sounds good. I think that s.nsa building the chassis then we do it as stated is fine. (unless I misunderstand). Pizarro will pay for these in cash. I agree too on staying away from the equity buys as well.
mircea_popescu: spyked, by the way, are you hitting both ssh and https for cert keys ? or just ssh ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 13:37 asciilifeform: cross compiler also not very useful imho. let the thing build a pc and an arm compiler ( and yes if it has to build cross compiler in the process, let it , but consider it to be a strictly intermediate step )
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 13:35 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814192 << definitely not 28. unless a separate fg-less unit is built, then can hold 32 . and yes i have a cad drawing in progress, so as to work like men rather than monkeys in africa
asciilifeform: at one time asciilifeform hypothesized 'lizards want to unwind the mechant age and install selves as pseudo-feudal nobility' but today not sure of any such thing, possibly just fungal growth
mircea_popescu: this is the sad fact of the matter, fucktarded bureaucrats have managed to shit over the true core of what europe even fucking ever was.
asciilifeform: there are still many people from whom one can learn e.g. mathematics; but not so many mircea_popescus.
mircea_popescu: a cool then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not opposed to 2nd round, and would participate, iirc ben_vulpes & mod6 are weighing the numberz even as we speak.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have nothing against 's.nsa owns 10%' scenario, early in the game it was a much-needed breathing room for pizarro. but would like to avoid the situation of the well-known children's physics demo, with the two connected balloons.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, anyway, an' ftr, if your concern is that you're underweight pizarro, you can just as well do a second round. see if mod6 wants to either a) give it more btc or else b) move into a minority position. pizarro would certainly benefit from a larger piggy giving it more solidity etc, so you can do another 10-20 round either by yourself if mod6 is agreeable or else match together or any which old way. this isn't an u
mircea_popescu: i dunno why i assumed that's the case, but good you said something, as it'd never have occured to me to ask, either.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, im not gonna let them. i had no idea you didn't think it's the most excellent the idea. now that i do, hey.
asciilifeform: worx for me. but ftr if ben_vulpes and mod6 succumb to temptation of equity-buying, and mircea_popescu , in turn, agrees, it will likely lead to the regrettable situation pictured earlier.
mircea_popescu: they get a cheaper chassis and we get a working economy.
mircea_popescu: i'd very much rather we go with 1. they booked the chassises at 1k each, tentatively, which is not what's going to happen. bill 120% materials like it seems it's becoming the repuiblican "standard profit" and there we go. neh ?
asciilifeform: i'ma let mircea_popescu say how to crack this nut, my teeth are not up to the job, and pick from his variants, if he dun object
mircea_popescu: but no, the universe 3 whereby "people made a 300 btc donation to unclear future goals" isn't really on the table.
mircea_popescu: or else universe 2, whereby chassis for pizarro is produced by you as free agent. in this world we have to now explain what nsa actually is, which becomes a rather difficult task, and pizarro will have to sell its bonds on market, to whatever discount.
mircea_popescu: practically the situation here is this : we can either live in universe 1, whereby chassis for pizarro is produced by you for nsa, and sold by nsa to pizarro. in this world nsa stays what it always was, as above, and pizarro can (at practically your option, as i can go either way) pay with undiscounted bonds for cash-equivalent mateirals ;
mircea_popescu: afaik nsa always was exactly what phf is quoted above as having understood it is : the umbrella org for your manufactory.
asciilifeform: ( in case it isn't clear, asciilifeform views s.nsa as in effect a scientific collaboration / partizan front , with mircea_popescu , as asciilifeform does not expect to see any coin from it, i would like to be proven wrong about this, but i don't see selling >50 btc's profit worth of anything, esp not if the climb carries on )
mircea_popescu: i don't think there's any intention of that. i certainly would vote against the measure.
asciilifeform: the 'i dun like the endgame' observation was specifically in re the scenario where s.nsa ends up swallowing pizarro.
asciilifeform: this isn't actually the problem, pizarro ( and other l1 folx ! thank you ! ) supplied asciilifeform in recent times with 100% of the btc-buying opportunities he can digest
mircea_popescu: if you do it as "myself" you get whatever chassis cost in btc in your pocket. if you do it as s.nsa you don't, is the logic ?
mircea_popescu: well how much pizarro has in the way of cash isn't changed by ooooh i see the problem, you hafta recirculate this is it ?
asciilifeform: cuz it doesn't have much in the way of cash.
asciilifeform: i will admit however that i dun particularly like the endgame i see in this, where let's say s.nsa sponsors, produces, and sells to pizarro the iron for shares, ends up owning ~100% of pizarro, and asciilifeform doesn't see a dime of profit until ( merely for starters ) he can even afford mpex acct ( which is a major if, rather than a when, it is quite possibly that neither i nor anyone else will ever actually earn 50 btc , and this
mircea_popescu: it can do consultancy / custom jobs for isps/dcs, why the hell not.
mircea_popescu: there's not some rule that all nsa products must be available to the general public.
mircea_popescu: okay, but the larger concern seems to be that you'd rather put all your fabrication under nsa than have to explain to shareholders why not and wherefore in the future.
asciilifeform: no particular problem, aside from the stark contrast between the 100% repeatability and hygiene of , e.g., FG, and the possibly nsa-laden ( i don't design arm crystal, or the pcb, or the switches, etc ) server
mircea_popescu: when you last flew over (on nsa dime) we sold them servers an' nobody died.
mircea_popescu: yes, but what's the significant problem with nsa selling pizarro custom built chassisen ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idea is that a working ( built out, and populated ) pizarro, could , in principle, eventually free asciilifeform from the unspeakable nonsense on which he burns most of his time currently.
a111: Logged on 2016-01-16 20:58 phf: i find the framing odd, i thought purpose of s.nsa capital was to assist ascii in his b-a aligned, but essentially personal endeavor, which might potentially have a return. somehow it turned into "pay ascii by the hour". if ascii doesn't want to work on cardano, it's not a b-a way to coerce him, but if the project still exists, is being worked on, then money will be spent when there's something to spend it on, and there will be a
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814276 << yes, but this encounters the following problem : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-16#1373235 ; while obviously this won't go as far as "every idea alf has", nevertheless by the time alf makes objects, and independently from nsa, then what is nsa ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 13:26 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814131 << transport for rockchiptron will be considerably cheaper than 2500, as i can't picture needing a whole week, nor 400 in overweight charge for the crates
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814268 << i was thinking. cool then, they need every break they can get.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 10:15 spyked: ftr, I've gathered about 700k keys in the last 3-4 days; if the total number hasn't changed too much from the previous 6.9M, I estimate I should have all of them in 20-30 days from now.
mircea_popescu: (the correct cut would be, obviously, the arab invasion -- but i choose to be this insulting.)
mircea_popescu: i dunno, in other cases -- like, say, dutchland went to shit with william because doh, they all moved over to the island to be english nao -- it's obvious enough wtf happened.
mircea_popescu: because it's visible, somehow they went to shit.
asciilifeform: or current de -- from goethe
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i have scant interest in current persian. might as well care about neogreek. to what, to see how they decided to transliterate mcdonalds ?
mircea_popescu: so it's quite the rewarding activity, trying to puzzle out what the fuck they wanted from lyf.
asciilifeform: ( there's , to asciilifeform's naked eye, moar turk influence in current ro and even ru , than arabic flavour in current persian , if you discount the borrowed alphabet )
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, exactly like with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813451 ; the "scholars" are gleefully unequipped to match sign and sense.
mircea_popescu: it's one of the major cultural languages least comprehended by contemporary hermeneutics.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, secrecy is not so much a public matter. your harem slaves will keep your secrets, but why are you talking secretly outside of their bodies ?
asciilifeform: ( distributed arithmetizing under the three basic enemy models, 'randomly broken', 'honest-curious', 'malicious' -- is entire mathematical subfield, and unfortunately will not fit 'in the margin of this page' )
mircea_popescu , incidentally, is a huge persian poetry fan. i mean the pre rinascimento stuff.
mircea_popescu: "trust, but verify" in the original persian.
asciilifeform: ( where to order a computation, you inject it into any particular node in the net )
asciilifeform: also mircea_popescu's scheme readily scales to the earlier 'uci' item
asciilifeform: ( another wish list item re arm64 )
asciilifeform: right, and one of the major selling points of machines with multiple nic
mircea_popescu: suppose instead c'. machine failed to so notice, returned 65524 : step d. the other machines return "reject 3."
mircea_popescu: to drive it into the dirt : a) suppose you want reliable addition, for which purpose you comission rockchip machines 1 through 6. b) you pass along the string "5+6". the answers come 11 11 11 65524 11 11. c) machine 3 notices it is the only one with that result via its distributed n-of-m magick module, and returns "op fail" instead.
asciilifeform: sadly the machine that does not eventually meta-fail , is not yet built
mircea_popescu: (meta-failure, of course, being the failure to conceptualize it failed)
mircea_popescu: where any one component admits TWO levels of failure : direct failure, and meta-failure. the former warrants destruction.
asciilifeform: in other noose, some basic annotation of certain major phuctorisms is in place, e.g. http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/412 , http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/4961 , http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/384
mircea_popescu: there is that.
asciilifeform: ( the difficulty with 'majoritator' -- or what is it even called in engl.?? -- system, is the component itself , where the n-of-m magick itself happens. it is inescapably the weak link. )
mircea_popescu: well so then.
asciilifeform: well yes, martians did not land and hand it to their waiting arms
asciilifeform: ( spoiler : they had ecc )
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 04:59 mircea_popescu: so basically is the idea that you'll just do whatever and we're missing this opportunity to attempt an' standardize iron ?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-21 17:09 mircea_popescu: republican isp = competent sysadmin who handles relationship with multiple dcs in terms of getting hardware installed and refuses any requests made under color of law by the terrorist organisation known as "the united states government". and publishes them.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 09:00 diana_coman: well, I'd rather cross compile too if it works because then I can use the rockchip as launchpad for everything else, why not
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fortunately conventional gcc already exists on the target system
diana_coman: o.O as much as I'd like to lose cpp all together and even forget that it ever existed, that's not feasible atm
asciilifeform: ave1: it should be made to do exactly same thing as the working pc version -- linked ~statically~ so it runs on ~any~ arm64 linux ; and build, similarly, statically linked, musltronic bins.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 13:43 ave1: BTW the aarch64 will build static but not by default, so that part I will check.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814293 << issue is that the current arm64 build won't even ~run~ on any available machine
asciilifeform: ( and yes it absolutely needs ~internal~ switch , cabling to external switch was quite bulky even in the pilot plant with merely 6 units )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814270 << forgot to mention the largest and gnarliest component : the ethernet switch
ave1: BTW the aarch64 will build static but not by default, so that part I will check.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 10:15 spyked: ftr, I've gathered about 700k keys in the last 3-4 days; if the total number hasn't changed too much from the previous 6.9M, I estimate I should have all of them in 20-30 days from now.
asciilifeform: cross compiler also not very useful imho. let the thing build a pc and an arm compiler ( and yes if it has to build cross compiler in the process, let it , but consider it to be a strictly intermediate step )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814223 << ave1 can we dispense with building the 'builds dynamic turds, so demands musl on system elsewhere' rubbish ? it is useless. let's stick to useful compiler, that works on any box with matching architecture
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 06:21 mircea_popescu: but for tomorrow : 28 per chassis then ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814192 << definitely not 28. unless a separate fg-less unit is built, then can hold 32 . and yes i have a cad drawing in progress, so as to work like men rather than monkeys in africa
asciilifeform: and re time on site : i can't picture needing more than 3 days : 1 to sleep ( asciilifeform can't sleep on planes ) ; 1 to install fg and emplace the boxen into the rack ; 1 for overflow .
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 05:12 mircea_popescu: document, that's the right move. "here's an amazon page link, https://www.amazon.com/Libre-Computer-ROC-RK3328-CC-Renegade-Ethernet/dp/B078RMQYHS and here's some other provider https://www.loverpi.com/products/libre-computer-board-roc-rk3328-cc on which basis I'm guessing we should get the boards at around 4k total ; here's why i think the chassis costs so much ; here's why alf's delivery run need not include only 1k in airfa
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 05:00 mircea_popescu: the cheaper you get your stuff, you understand, the more your intaingibles and equity lines are worth.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814142 << i think he made the numbers deliberately pessimistic, so as to over- rather than under- shoot
asciilifeform: flying with 'handmade' aluminum box is out of the question, it must resemble a 'proper' server .
asciilifeform: incidentally asciilifeform is still in active search for a suitable chassis : general-purpose atx units that i've found, are unsuitable, they lose ~40% of the internal space to nonremovable drive cages, which do NO good in rockchiptron . additionally, a good half of the chassis on the market, are ( for no reason known to me ) not full depth, these can be rejected right away
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 04:56 mircea_popescu: and why is the chassis 1k ? am i missing something besides "aluminum" ? and why is the bitcoin 17252/2.75 = 6273?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814131 << transport for rockchiptron will be considerably cheaper than 2500, as i can't picture needing a whole week, nor 400 in overweight charge for the crates
asciilifeform: hatever qty, they don't seem to have an oem version ) , and lastly, cabling/fasteners
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 04:51 mircea_popescu: fwiw, i see the ROC-RK3328-CC at ~40 to maybe as high as 55 depending on quantity. 100 in one batch should be about 4000 realistically.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814130 << still waiting for quotes in qty 100, but this is approx correct. however a working rockchiptron consists not only of the board, but of heat sink ( 10 usd , and single-source, it gotta have the correct pegs ) , the sd card ( in principle cheapest worx, it ~never gets written to, i am looking into chinese crate ) , ssd ( imho it is pointless to use anything but samsung, and it's ~40 usd in w
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814127 << the most detailed guide is still the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807162 document; but i'ma elaborate below :
ave1: diana_coman, I will try myself too, but need to do some disk shuffling first (I do not have enough room available). Could you send me the config.log in build/build-bootstrap/binutils-2.25.1/build1?
spyked: ftr, I've gathered about 700k keys in the last 3-4 days; if the total number hasn't changed too much from the previous 6.9M, I estimate I should have all of them in 20-30 days from now.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 22:31 jurov: spyked, iirc we used 4 accounts and it took about a month? surely it's in the log
diana_coman: good to know really; perhaps add those notes to the post so it's all in one place?
diana_coman: ave1, seems it needs more tweaking, as it still fails the same: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IqoYy/?raw=true
ave1: note also, that a lot of it is disk bound, the run takes longer with slow disks
ave1: btw the build process is not small, (nothing is cleaned during the run, to get partial build running)
diana_coman: well, I'd rather cross compile too if it works because then I can use the rockchip as launchpad for everything else, why not
ave1: also you can drop the x86_64, as you will probably not be cross compiling to x86_64
diana_coman: ah, let me change that and try it again then
ave1: it's the 'build-ada.sh' script
ave1: so far I only ran these starting on x86_64
diana_coman: ave1, yes, that was on the rockchip
ave1: this seems to be the very first "real" step, compile the binutils for your own system. it may be a CFLAGS problem
ave1: as for the error, can you go to build/build-bootstrap/binutils-2.25.1/build1 and paste the config.log?
diana_coman: it seems it wants --host to cross-compile the x86
diana_coman: sure, I'll paste the stuff today and ping you
ave1: I would be interested in how the scripts failed on your side
ave1: btw, I've not tried running the scripts with the generated native compilers, I always start with the binary from adacore
ave1: I will update the directory names as this is now confusing
ave1: yes, the original scripts only produced cross compilers, and the new ones now also create "real/native" compilers
ave1: yes, the non-native is a cross compiler, so run on x86_64 and compile for aarch64
diana_coman: I did not investigate further but I can do that
diana_coman: basically the non-native was not arm; the native at least ran but then the script failed anyway
a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 21:50 diana_coman: and fwiw I tried running from there also ./aarch64-musl-linux-cpp -> same result
ave1: diana_coman, Sure no problem, I'll put it on the site and send a link. Which one did you try?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 04:19 ave1: it does not matter if the linux is glibc or musl, I tested also on a clean ubuntu arm64 image
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814099 <- hm, at least the one asciilifeform obtained did not run on my rockchip (arm arch) so I might need to look deeper into this as to why it didn't; at any rate: mind adding to your post the obtained gnat binaries so I try with them directly from you and then report what fails if anything?
mircea_popescu: it's not the sort of question that you can answer for yourself in a minute.
mircea_popescu: well, so read the logs etcetera.
mircea_popescu: do you see the topic ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 03:39 ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-16#356543 << i've got folks in-wot i've already pushing btc to over amazon; i'm pretty comfortable with orders in the range of 500-2000 usd; what i'm looking for are folks that want to eat on the order of 10kusd of btc every month or so, that's the comfortable headroom i'd like
lobbes: aye. I can confirm this is outside of my eating capacity; /me can only really swing the small-potato ad-hoc buys >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814038
mircea_popescu: but for tomorrow : 28 per chassis then ?
ben_vulpes: evening then
mircea_popescu: other than that, did you fuck anything to include "index.html" ?
ben_vulpes: quite possible, i'll look at some others tomorrow.
ben_vulpes: it tries to redirect to what the right url should be, though
mircea_popescu: it is possible your theme is not supportive of your directory structure. try "custom structure" = "/%year%/%postname%/" ?
mircea_popescu: ie you clicked the "day and name" item ?
ben_vulpes: i have the permalink structure as /index.php/year/month/day , but when i switch it over to /year/month/day it 404's
ben_vulpes: well i got the rewrite, but can't get mpwp to serve at /y/m/d/post
ben_vulpes: so i guess that i have to then write a regex to capture all of the old /index.html/y/m/d/post, redirect 'em to /y/m/d/post
trinque: ben_vulpes: you're welcome to snag the /home/trinque/www/.htaccess
ben_vulpes: if any of the mpwpists in teh republic can lend a hand, i could really use it in getting urls that don't have index.php in them
ben_vulpes: i had this in i suppose a too-terse form the other day; shall document with words and links.
mircea_popescu: re but also a week's stay, like if rich nsa is paying him a little vacation. altogether it comes to this much on the basis of those assumptions" and so on.
mircea_popescu: document, that's the right move. "here's an amazon page link, https://www.amazon.com/Libre-Computer-ROC-RK3328-CC-Renegade-Ethernet/dp/B078RMQYHS and here's some other provider https://www.loverpi.com/products/libre-computer-board-roc-rk3328-cc on which basis I'm guessing we should get the boards at around 4k total ; here's why i think the chassis costs so much ; here's why alf's delivery run need not include only 1k in airfa
mircea_popescu: that's why it's important to run documented estimates rather than either loose or tight estimates.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, it's a tight rope, either way can get unpleasant.
mircea_popescu: there's that.
ben_vulpes: i'd rather see the price estimate go down as i tighten numerical accuracy than up; i've no desire to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6q4n5TQnpA
mircea_popescu: the cheaper you get your stuff, you understand, the more your intaingibles and equity lines are worth.
ben_vulpes: i haven't updated the rc price since the pilot run, and that number assumed 1 transportation run per chassis since i'd not gotten the refutation of that number until just now.