mod6: Everyone wins: BB gets his raise, and 1 BTC end of feb 2019, and we get to hang on to a bit of cash for the summer to help ouselves out.
mod6: Hmm? well, i am saying "5000" now to give you some padding, and feel better about it, and then 2500 later to help us get our feet a bit.
BingoBoingo: I am saying the "<mod6> So that'd be ok with ya? 5000 now, 2500 september 1st?" is not objectionable. Breaking it down into even payments is objectionable.
mod6: Ah, you think that the september 1st payment will be a killer cause btc will be lower, ok.
BingoBoingo: mod6: That would, From an FX risk perspective though the even monthly split is a killer.
mod6: Especially if you deem that it makes you "whole" from all the blood, sweat, tears, and cash you put into this adveture. Which, we all very much appreciate.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo struck asciilifeform as a sensible fella, who won't blow whole wad on the proverbial h&b. more like , wants to maybe go on shore leave some day; and not to be 1 broken leg or frivolous charges filed by city hall (like they did to him in usa) away from penury
BingoBoingo: mod6: I didn't object to the 2 part split.
mod6: If its to repay your savings you spent on this whole adventure, then you'll get your money.
mod6: It's worrying to me that I offered to pay this 7500 out over the next year, which doesn't seem to excite you, then I offered to pay some now, some in 90 days, that's not taking either it seems.
BingoBoingo: The people everywhere bu the hostel fire the disgust receptors far more frequently than the ones inside.
ben_vulpes: you've astonishing will to keep yourself together around the addicts but i worry about the cost of keeping clenched constantly
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: would own quarters move the needle significantly on morale?
ben_vulpes: i'd rather pay increased living costs either as a flat fee to get into the apartment or monthly on the rental so that you can cook for yourself and get off the street food
BingoBoingo: <mod6> What I want, is a commitment for no further renegotiations until at least this time of next year. << That is the goal. It's also why I started the push this month before any more machines are holding me hostage in the cabinet.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> yeah in re the apartment, BingoBoingo you want to live in the dorms forever or why wasn't that in your ask << It's something I am flexible on.
ben_vulpes: yeah in re the apartment, BingoBoingo you want to live in the dorms forever or why wasn't that in your ask
mod6: What I want, is a commitment for no further renegotiations until at least this time of next year.
mod6: We will still need to increase your overall $1800 per month (or whatever it is, so you can have pants and shoes, etc.), and an apartment was in the discussion as well.
ben_vulpes: you want flexibility on the thing he's most insistent on, i'm crunching numbers on an incentive program, so he's leaning on you to make up the difference in the second axis.
mod6: Yeah, #2, and #3 are not a part of the 7500 total.
BingoBoingo: The board and management are free to move around on all three parts to construct something palatable.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 20:40 BingoBoingo: mod6: The core components I am looking for are 1) A lump sum now or in the near future so that when http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1814853 comes I am not caught horribly undercapitalized. 2) an increase in the daily per diem to an amount that includes breathing room 3) Something sort of future award contingent on staying here. And apartment was not figured into that because it is unclear if Pizarro wants to get an apartment or if
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1815003 << Contains three elements. You offered a proposal on the first part.
BingoBoingo: What kind of adjustment to the per diem would you pair that with?
mod6: I think 5000 now is what I'm willing to do, payable in btc, and then the next 2500 (also payable in btc) September 1st.
BingoBoingo: mod6: Well pizarro got billed for the dentist. The doctor is out of my pocket. Part of the idea is getting these things off of Pizarro's line and into my own.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: wouldja be willing to take an incentive payment next may gated on helping me filter the ocean for shared shell customers?
BingoBoingo: My own fear of encountering a big unavoidable expense requiring a lumpsum is why It's part of the ask.
ben_vulpes: mk then
mod6: I would like the draw this out a bit, instead of a big lumpsum payment now.
ben_vulpes: mod6: doesn't really make a difference to the books, a liability is a liability. it's going to show up on the balance sheet regardless.
mod6: That should give you some cash to work with, and allow us to not have to crush our immediate cash position on the balance sheet.
mod6: How about this. $7500, payable in BTC monthly, over the next 9 months?
BingoBoingo: mod6: Honestly the whatever happens at the end of next February part is actually the one I feel the most flexible on. For the immediate capitalization component I am perfectly capable of recieving BTC.
mod6: As far as the 8000 now, this really cuts into our available cash flow. Aside from the plainly stated fact that we then also, aside from paying bills, need to figure out how to translate another ~1 BTC in to USD and then have someone wire/WU it down to you.
mod6: Here's the problem. We obviously need you / want you to stay. I'm told you've been doing a good job there. We have limited money at this time, as obviously, we just got into business here; and we're still trying to figure out how to get to break-even. I think the 1 BTC at the end of next february is something we can do for ya.
ben_vulpes: what is the difference?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 18:24 mircea_popescu: you will sooner or later run into issues you need actual professional help with. just like the cold.
BingoBoingo: mod6: The core components I am looking for are 1) A lump sum now or in the near future so that when http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1814853 comes I am not caught horribly undercapitalized. 2) an increase in the daily per diem to an amount that includes breathing room 3) Something sort of future award contingent on staying here. And apartment was not figured into that because it is unclear if Pizarro wants to get an apartment or if
mod6: And furthermore, this raise does not include whatever expenses you would require to get an apartment in .uy, correct?
mod6: BingoBoingo: The raise you propse is 1 BTC at end of February of 2019, and ~8k USD now right?
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform spent week in the company of BingoBoingo , and confirms that the most serious problem currently is morale , d00d needs some light in his pillbox << That was actually a high point for the morale. The boost carried over well into the next week. Definitely the high point of the post-bedbug era.
mircea_popescu: making it obvious that owning the box is neither glorious nor productive may be sufficient deterrent. who even knows.
ben_vulpes: so seems like ftp for l2 heathens, and shell for known l2 and heathens who bathe/stick around for a while and get friendly is a plausible perforation
mircea_popescu: the killer micro was simply never designed for this.
mircea_popescu: these are not fixable in software anymore than a dirty couch can be cleanned by photographic it with the right angle lens.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, the machine itself, hardware-wise, is incapable of multiuser. it leaks its memory via cache timings on 3 or 4 different layers ; it lacks its state via nic delays, it leaks like a sieve.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: can you elaborate on "time the box"? leaking of user passwords by timing sidechannel?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not insisting or even proposing this insanity be continued. i am merely stating the world.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 3M has a branch office here, if you can pass me the name of the specific product that would be swell.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have a jar of clear and nonexothermic potting epoxy right here. unfortunately it probably would not make it through airport
trinque: imho *that* is the product
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's for sake of argument ignore other problems than 'whole box craps out' (i.e. particular users being hosed, by unknown party, with no recourse ) . how to determine which customer is culprit ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 17:55 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: at the very least, need a 680mm ( or at worst, 650mm ) 2u ( most economical bang/buck variant ) chassis with NO welded-in internal partitions
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i also have open problems that you could probably help with. for instance, i am in search of a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1814828 , and of 32 ( or at worst , 2 x 16 ) port GB/s ~bare pcb~ ethernet switches that don't come with 'minumal order 1000' chinesium insult << Will get to searching. Thoughts on a good way to perform epoxy potting on my personal FUCKGOAT that would be actually transparent
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is the reason why i even built the rc pilot cluster; because it is a (laborious, and expensive, but genuine) solution to $problem
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, what, they told you twas gonna be easy ? come up with something!!11
ben_vulpes: how the fuck am i to meaningfully sell shared shells on this thing then, if anyone who pays for a month can get in and wreck everyone else on it.
mircea_popescu: you still get to time the machine ; and whosoever times the machine owns the machine.
asciilifeform: in the current scheme, you dun even need privescs to cause headaches for people, users can connect to each other's sql db listeners etc
trinque: all you need is a privesc in one of the services running as root, or kernel-side bug, or..
asciilifeform: it's roughly same isolation as the lock on your house's bathroom.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 14:51 asciilifeform: fact of the matter is that shared unix tenant can create problems for the others ( without necessarily revealing himself as the source of said problem ) quite trivially . ( vps is moar 'nobus' in this respect, generally the 'escapes' are not public )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the problem set in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1814702 is unfortunately not limited to 'hose the box'
BingoBoingo: The easy, inconvenient cut is a second 1U box for the crowd. Web panel, quotas, frequent regular backups, and maybe a hot spare box..
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-03-22 17:08 asciilifeform: i for instance do not see why , if it's wot l1 people living in it, it has to expend the cpu overhead to pretend-isolate and vm-ize. why not simply traditional unix accounts.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: look back to the thread where i gave the current shared-box scheme: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-3-22#317360
mircea_popescu: you'll end up with rebuilsing the vps you fled from.
mircea_popescu: the answer to that is no.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 14:49 asciilifeform: the only serious weakness of shared-unix is what happens when you start populating it with randos, rather than the l1/tight-l2 currently living there
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i hate to add to already tall pile of puzzlers, but at some point we will have to seriously consider the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1814695 item .
ben_vulpes: lobbes, and BingoBoingo while i'm at it since i want to get you on the same train, what kind of commission makes sense to you for flogging shared shells?
asciilifeform spent week in the company of BingoBoingo , and confirms that the most serious problem currently is morale , d00d needs some light in his pillbox
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, let me put it even sharper : you have a man who conquered a drinking habit in a position which regularily drives men to drink ; and he's complained about not having sane AA there what, twice ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 17:55 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: at the very least, need a 680mm ( or at worst, 650mm ) 2u ( most economical bang/buck variant ) chassis with NO welded-in internal partitions
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i also have open problems that you could probably help with. for instance, i am in search of a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1814828 , and of 32 ( or at worst , 2 x 16 ) port GB/s ~bare pcb~ ethernet switches that don't come with 'minumal order 1000' chinesium insult
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, understand that merely clear signs that management is aware of problems and working on them, and open communications are a larger morale boost than pretty much anything else. it's how folk manage to man pill boxes, which suck for any other criteria.
ben_vulpes: hostingdiscussion.com at least has a user-enumerable db, but i don't know if an automated approach would get pizarro blacklisted, or even if we care, right? can make another account and pick up where left off.
ben_vulpes: or a mircea_popescu fetlife-style automated PMer to do the outbound
ben_vulpes: the active filtering i'd like to put in is either a regular set of eyeballs (BingoBoingo's, or the mentioned-tangentially sales guy to hire) on the "design" corners of these hosting forums to pm our ads for shells on the shared server to folks who are building websites directly
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it is. i have neglected sales and putting BingoBoingo to work on that and conveying to him what he needs to know in order to do the shared hosting work that has until now landed on my plate. with the manual i published yesterday im now in a position to hand off new shared shell customers to him, and am looking at a list of hosting forums i put together for filtering over the past two days.
BingoBoingo works on drinking the ocean
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo will , i suspect , have all 8 hands full when the full-scale rockchiptron is brought online and tentants come/go regularly
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, why do you have an idle resource on the ground ? this is what management is, yes ? keeping the mills fed ?
BingoBoingo: In the past month, aside from asciilifeform's visit roughly and hour to and hour and a half a day on strictly pizzaro business, minus time awaiting instructions. For the couple weeks after the ben_vulpes visit there was a consecutive run of days well over 8 hours. The work has been incredibly bursty in its flavor.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, for my entirely idle curiosity, what sort of time occupancy have you seen in the past month ? 12.5% ie hour/day ? more ? less ?
mircea_popescu: seemed to me the way ben_vulpes was going was towards a yes/no type response. aanyways.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They asked me to put forward an idea. It isn't the best idea, but it one that makes the idea of continuing to stomach life in a country populated by a people I hate and who are culturally programmed to piss me off. I would like them to structure something they can afford instead of biting on this proposal.
mircea_popescu: saying "well, there's objective costs to $X, be it installing a rack or being in uy, these have to be paid" is one thing ; but seems you're discussing another thing, and how can you, i, ben_vulpes , anyone else transform "future" into "btc value" ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, obviously people working at something should pick the rewards of their work. what i don't get is why are you formulating this split in absolute rather than relative terms ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo, why do you suspect pizarro can pay something like that ? << The idea is that there is a path for pizarro to get revenue. If pizarro can´t afford something closer to that than the current arrangement, I suspect they can't afford to keep someone in Uruguay.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if we had any fab capacity to speak of, these'd be the priority items : 1) large homogeneous fpga 2) otp roms 3) 1+2
asciilifeform: and they suffer same bitrot and single-event problems as eeproms/'flash', incl. 'throw it out after 20 yrs'
asciilifeform: erase leg, rather.
asciilifeform: all 'otp roms' sold today are actually eproms with the write leg tied to ground.
asciilifeform: not for love or money can you get'em, other than laughably tiny old-stock things (1kB and below)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, there's some argument (cheapness) for including one single antifuse rather than making the whole thing out of them.
asciilifeform: inside there is a commercial flash ic. it has a WR leg.
ave1: yes, I see, unfortunately the pins do not have a rx/tx like serial
asciilifeform: ave1: consider the central idea in e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-18#1801998 thread.
asciilifeform: ave1: even if by all appearances it's a truly perma-settable bit, i'd still muchly prefer a card where i can actually toggle the WR leg of the eeprom
ben_vulpes: so to enloggify BingoBoingo's opening ask, that's ~1.9 btc let's call them bonuses and then another ~.7 btc in salary over the year (all at current rates), is that right?
asciilifeform: i know, for a fact, that the software-settable flag, is software-clearable.
asciilifeform: ave1: is the meaning of 'true hardware write protect' unclear ?!!
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 15:24 asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform found that otp microsd cards exist!! should substantially lower the labour cost of maintaining rockchip cluster. IF i can actually find a vendor !
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 21:17 BingoBoingo: ^ ben_vulpes mod6 asciilifeform I have proposed a start for negotiations on a compensation package through February 2019 for your consideration here: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/#fn1-1909
mircea_popescu: you will sooner or later run into issues you need actual professional help with. just like the cold.
BingoBoingo: Well, sure. I speak friendly to at least one confirmed accountant at the cowork. There are definitely more candidates I can audition than in December.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but to approach them on behalf of Pizarro, Pizarro's gotta have something for me to ask of them.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( with parts, the fact that they have to arrive in the country with either 300% tax , or in submarine, or up an arse, at least partly explains. but why there are ~no sane accounting folx , remains puzzler ) << Now in May there appear to be better options accessible than in december, but they don't have languages other than Spanish in their toolkit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, because nobody ever told them they better be useful. so they're "nice" or w/e.
BingoBoingo: Here's another gringo fixer's guide on the incorporation process, but his own fees which he neglects to list are still more expensive http://www.mondaq.com/Uruguay/x/583558/Corporate+Commercial+Law/Forming+A+Company+In+Uruguay
asciilifeform: possibly the 2 are connected -- no serious commerce, ergo no specialists
asciilifeform: ( with parts, the fact that they have to arrive in the country with either 300% tax , or in submarine, or up an arse, at least partly explains. but why there are ~no sane accounting folx , remains puzzler )
mircea_popescu: the search for actually useful local accts specialists as fruitless as search for w/e, electronic parts supplioers ?\
ben_vulpes: i think the liquidity is handled but i'll keep that in mind
BingoBoingo: If you are looking for a temporary liquidity source though, have you considered pete_dushenski? He might be interested in the opportunity to buy BTC from Pizarro.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: cedula gets you ability to open corporate bank accounts, i hope? << I would help with this. Doing it with the US Passport would have negated having a corp.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: at the very least, need a 680mm ( or at worst, 650mm ) 2u ( most economical bang/buck variant ) chassis with NO welded-in internal partitions
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Here's the flyer the government publishes on the types of structures available here. www.uruguayxxi.gub.uy/guide/descargas/Set%20up%20a%20company.pdf
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: looks like the uy corp is necessary for ips for the rockchips at the very least; and possibly recipient of wires from btc sales
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: do you know what the costs for establishing this corp in uy are? asciilifeform you still need another trip to .ro to finalize your corp?
BingoBoingo: Something that can hold an IP block assignment and DC contract at least, if you want to use something else for the BTC/fiat conduit
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> and i recall that the driver for setting up either uycorp or some other foreigncorp is to get the liability for the dc contract off BingoBoingo's personal neck and onto an impersonal corporation, correct? << This and getting a BTC/USD conduit, and proceeding to get IPs straight from the regional registry
ben_vulpes: and i recall that the driver for setting up either uycorp or some other foreigncorp is to get the liability for the dc contract off BingoBoingo's personal neck and onto an impersonal corporation, correct?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> so wait, these are separate items ? << They are, to get the cedula you have to start the residency process, but it doesn't need to be compeltely decided upon.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: A UY corp would be an actual corp. What I have now, as discussed previously is a unipersonal, essentially I am a registered person doing business. This means what I do as the Unipersonal is all personal liability. Corps can receive all kinds of incoming transactions that aren't necessarily "income".
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: won't a second uy corp just incur more taxes, and then more more taxes when it exceeds the low tax regime hole?
asciilifeform: so wait, these are separate items ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: A decision on residence requires 6-12 months. The cedula itself can be done faster, now that I know everyone around me in this country is an idiot.
BingoBoingo: With the lessons learned on the way to my UY cedula, we can probably condense the next fellow's ordeal down to 3-ish weeks.
ben_vulpes: no, scans not a great idea. i would like to know what line over which blows you out of the low tax regime, some 20kusd per year do i recall correctly?
BingoBoingo: As many contracts etc that we have sitting in my personal name, I am wary of the bus factor (either getting hit by or brain irrecoverably eggog'ing inside of). I have serious reservations for a plan that involves sending scans of my personal non-US identity document to allow someone sitting inside the empire to play trader, if that is what the request is for. I apologize if this is an uncharitable reading, but if you want me to instead
BingoBoingo: I can prepare reports on the local corporate options, and from what I understand asciilifeform is working on a corporate conduit for this sort of transaction as well.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> speaking of, BingoBoingo, now that you have the cedula, are you approaching the point where i can buy usd for wire into your local bank account? << BTC to bank wire can be done, for some amounts it can be done now. The concern is blowing up the current low tax regime my current unipersonal is sitting in. I would like more clarity on a plan for doing this other than "[ben_vulpes] can buy usd for wire into "BingoBoingo's]
ben_vulpes: speaking of, BingoBoingo, now that you have the cedula, are you approaching the point where i can buy usd for wire into your local bank account?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-17 14:40 mircea_popescu: what is behind comments like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814037, "I moved more recently than this fellow and I'll get my id after he does" ? "I don't, properly speaking, think bb is a person, at least not in the same sense / to the same degree I am" ?
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-17#357608 << since discarded notion of posting an ad on localbitcoins; but there are plenty of offers to pick from in the ~2.5-3% markup range.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-17 14:40 mircea_popescu: so, how did your reasoning go that produced 100k hither, 10k thither ?
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-17#357607 << if this is in reference to my and BingoBoingo's warrants from the first month of operations, pizarro covers BingoBoingo's rent and fodder, and doesn't pay me at all; it is a trade of cash for equity.
mircea_popescu: hanbot, in other nominalist lulz, there existed in antiquity a she by the name "hind bint". find thee what she occupied herself with :D
mircea_popescu: they didn't fall in shenzen from mars.
mircea_popescu: colonialism is bad mkay and jewing got the jews burneds so let's never ever fucking do anything ever again.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because "white man" aka esltard won't learn fucking languages, or leave "the country" ie zone. and when he does, he takes care to first arm self with such impenetrable armor of shit-for-brains as to practically make no possible difference to anyone.
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/XsZ36/?raw=true << email sent to me from keybase says i should remove PGP from my profile << This is blog fodder. Perfect material for exercise of organizing the thoughts by examining how anti-informed the Keybase position is.
asciilifeform: at any rate, if anyone has something like a clue that these items exist, and not merely advertised for vapour-sale by chinese hucksters, asciilifeform would like to hear about it.
asciilifeform: it isn't a 'consumable' as such; doesn't wear out on read, and lasts for as long as the machine it is installed into
asciilifeform recalls (but can't seem to unearth) at least 1 thread where we discussed the increasing rarity of otp roms, on acct of 'upgradeism' and progressing software rot
mircea_popescu: this is a common item by any definition, in the sense of "consumable".
mircea_popescu: the failure of the us means you can get mechanical but not electronical parts is all.
mircea_popescu: the byproducs of industry are always available -- but only to people in the town where industry is.
mircea_popescu: didn't you end up with all sorts of industrial gear, on the cheap ? and what did you say about it, "not in jungle", yes ?
asciilifeform: afaik they are used in heavy industrial equipment strictly. ( but yes, someone, somewhere, buys; just not for retail , it is an item of 0 conceivable use to konsoomer )
mircea_popescu: but you know someone somewhere did so buy, and either sold or otherwise lost chunks.
mircea_popescu: kinda why we need someone in china, to dissolve exactly this sort of "only seems to be offered in china and in container-sized min order" situation ; which arises for very good reasons to do with industrialization, and is eminently solvable -- but not by the red skins, nor from inside the reservation.
asciilifeform: ( and, lulzily, classical sd card ~does not support write protect~, it has the same usg.nonsensical 'software read writeprotect tab' as old floppies )
asciilifeform: right but if i can find the item. thus far it only seems to be offered in china and in container-sized min order.
asciilifeform: ideally these things will boot from readonly cards, and the usb can be brought out to jacks in front panel. so box dun have to be pulled and opened when repopulating .
asciilifeform: ( one gnarly headache with the rockchip board, is that it can ~only~ boot from microsd, and there is no way to keep tentant from overwriting it. so it gotta be painfully pulled, reimaged, when box is repopulated )
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform found that otp microsd cards exist!! should substantially lower the labour cost of maintaining rockchip cluster. IF i can actually find a vendor !
mircea_popescu: if there can even be such a thing as a goal of human existence, "do not have the problems of the stupid" is a prime candidate.
mircea_popescu: tes for thesame money.
mircea_popescu: these are eminently the sorts of problems of the stupid, whereby those who come after can't fucking discern what the everloving fuck were you thinking. however the empire managed to wedge them into stupid, through creating a hallucinatory "need for secrecy" or through "women get to choose, and you'll produce choices for them free of charge" or whatever nonsense -- the fact remains, here i sit, and they could've been the hitti
asciilifeform: pretty sure that all the actually intelligent folx who sank on that titanic, are dead nao
mircea_popescu: from out in the darkness, because the "very intelligent" people invovled weren't, apparently, intelligent enough to help me with this problem.
mircea_popescu: wasn't specifically saying birth or death, merely trying to examine the mechanism.
asciilifeform: ( iirc this was laid out in pedantic detail in the log )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rms hating noftsker has 0 to do with the death of bolix, but with the ~birth~
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is known to have contributed to the bolixocalypse -- famously they built an entire factory -- based on faulty logic ; it hastened the bankruptcy
mircea_popescu: this is then summarized as "asciilifeform iirc rms really hated noftsker, for some reason", and always in that same format, too, "for some reason". the reason, above : x said something y took somewhere.
mircea_popescu: ~. much easier to produce mistrust than trust in the process of organizing work with computers.
mircea_popescu: i suspect, further, that this is traditionally, and nearly universally, the failure mode in "tech" ie computer fabrication and utilization (and thereby may be a major item in say http://trilema.com/2018/the-symbolics-discussion/ ) : the production of ideal objects involved is so complex, management ends up in info overload and the technologists involved end up misinterpreting the barf as meaningful ~within their visible edges
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1814689 << this is glaringly the parsimonious explanation.
mircea_popescu: if they're not out there advertising it as a srsly, it's utterly not worth our/anyone's time to consider whatever data they have.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it was never significant ; ten k or so lusers, and generally of the "adlai and friends" ilk.
mircea_popescu: there's the equivalent of ferments, pushing chemistry "against" thermodynamics, ie, niggers pushing suckers against their own interest.
asciilifeform: i suspect that soon they will vanish'em
mircea_popescu: HOW else " the reason food went extinct -- too lazy, and "better, moar technological" alternatives." / "why's marriage gone extinct ? not like the present day idiocy makes anyone happy. " etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, why else all the pretense, you know. bitpay exists to "please stop using bitcoin", keybase exists to "please stop using rsa", the WHOLE point of the usg ersatzen is exactly this, to get the sort of retard who can't tell the difference between item and usg.fake to stop using item.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: oh hah i assumed he wanted the 'cedula' scan for the same purpose BingoBoingo sent me his old americedula scan ( so as to send crates his way )
mircea_popescu: (and i'll point out that the eulora movement away from prices-because-prices to prices-for-these-reasons that's been evident in the coupla years past is very much of this exact same substance. a rational universe, plox, had enough of the emotional one.)
mircea_popescu: what's required of you is to explain ~how~ you processed sense data to end up in what looks from outside like wedges and thereby how to avoid it in future. even if it's a lot of explaining and fixing takes a lifetime, nevertheless, that's the process, and that's ~why~ "we're not x, we're y".
mircea_popescu: understand that what's required of you isn't a bland "do better", somehow magically and on your own power ; it's evident that your own power gets you where it got you, idly power-cycling the machine isn't the republican game.
mircea_popescu: i don't know ; and i'd like to know ; but i'd rather not guess, which is the entire point of even having a wot in the first place, take the guessing out of society, bring reason back among people.
mircea_popescu: what is behind comments like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814037, "I moved more recently than this fellow and I'll get my id after he does" ? "I don't, properly speaking, think bb is a person, at least not in the same sense / to the same degree I am" ?
mircea_popescu: the examination of those trees, and the procedures that produced them, are the substance of "that's what school is".
mircea_popescu: that's not just a word / "something you say" / etc, we're not doing word salad, we're doing ASTs for lack of a better term, there's trees everywhere at the basis of and underneath expression, and those trees are sorted and organized by rational criteria.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 05:48 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784318 << ah damn, sir. Why are you playing with knives here. It was obvious a long time ago that mircea_popescu just wanted you to submit. You can't block the king from intervening in lordly affairs in his own kingdom.
mircea_popescu: this isn't some kind of internet powergames special dweeb hour / the empire of flies / politica pe bat cu pic si poc / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784352 ; it's the republic of thinking men.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, ben_vulpes, it occurs to me that in the hubub yesterday you omitted to explain the reasoning behind the various items. i guess it's maybe not evident, but the semantic content of "i dunno how you're working all this out in your skull" is "please explain how you're thinking".
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not proposing x.1 as a counterargument of y.2, they're separate trees, and separate trees are reconciled at the roots by a manager.
asciilifeform: fact of the matter is that shared unix tenant can create problems for the others ( without necessarily revealing himself as the source of said problem ) quite trivially . ( vps is moar 'nobus' in this respect, generally the 'escapes' are not public )
mircea_popescu: why would anyone think such a thing ? it never worked in practice yet, but then again somehow "what works" ain't nobody's got time for.
mircea_popescu: why's marriage gone extinct ? not like the present day idiocy makes anyone happy. yet, they think they gotta "respect" the woman.
mircea_popescu: i doubt this is true ; it may be, but it may also be it went extinct in heathendom for the reason food went extinct -- too lazy, and "better, moar technological" alternatives.
asciilifeform: sorta why it went ~extinct in heathendom
asciilifeform: the only serious weakness of shared-unix is what happens when you start populating it with randos, rather than the l1/tight-l2 currently living there
mircea_popescu: lifetimes have been spent chasing the magic dust of "but why this be", so it can stay a black box for nao, it's just yet another strange property of the universe surroundant.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the merit of the shared unix is its cheapness. it's generally the experience of businessmen than orgs selling cheap items can be upgraded to also sell more expensive items ; while the reverse rarely works irl.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 06:25 mircea_popescu: mod6, anyway, to answer some angle of the question asked, rather than "the question read between the lines" -- pizarro wirh 8 something btc in cash whatever it is does not specifically require more cash to confront a 1.x expenditure and some months of .5 each overhead or w/e it is. the fact that you two are committed to further putting money in as need may be is utterly sufficient, as far as i can discern. ymmv, but you asked.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1814661 << per ben_vulpes's published numberz, mircea_popescu is elementarily correct -- even if we do an astoundingly princely rockchiptron buildout, will still have a good half yr of runway ( at present exch rate ) remaining ( but , more importantly , something to sell ! right nao we've nuffin to sell aside from the shared unix and the 1 remaining rc )
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 05:56 mircea_popescu: now currently you're engaging in a boatload of pussyfooting around the fact that pizarro doesn't need more capital as it is ; and the only conceivable function more capital could possibly serve as things stand is to give you some other excuse to not get sales going.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 05:51 ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, BingoBoingo asked for documentation on the UY1 shared hosting setup, and automation for same so i put this together: http://pizarroisp.net/newaccounts.txt asciilifeform mod6 pls to eyeball
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 14:50 spyked: re enumeration, it seems that shithub has this in their public API: https://developer.github.com/v3/users/#get-all-users never tried it though
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814442 <-- sorry for the confusion, this was miscommunication on my part. I took a look at http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812181 , then one thing led to another and I ended up doing shithub key harvesting. still on track for new rss bot though.
ave1: now to find the right one
ave1: Reading through the gcc code does produce lulz btw, this http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LaACm/?raw=true is in gcc/config/gnu-user.h. It's in 4.9.4 and still in 8.1.0, nobody is reading the code (http://trilema.com/2016/why-is-that/#comment-117906).
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 13:36 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814223 << ave1 can we dispense with building the 'builds dynamic turds, so demands musl on system elsewhere' rubbish ? it is useless. let's stick to useful compiler, that works on any box with matching architecture
ave1: As to this: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814283. This is all a matter of the specsfile apparently. Now I can do a dumpspec and sed script to make it always do statics, or I can change the source-code that has references to shared/static dispersed over C and H file in the gcc/config/ directory. This will take some time to get right (if the first approach works then I know what to do for the second). This will take some days
ben_vulpes: anyways, keep highlighting where you think i'm dropping the ball and i'll work to not.
mircea_popescu: nobody's yet, or ever, drumming anybody out for not doing a good job. the drums start drumming only if you stick to not doing a good job.
ben_vulpes: i don't come here to not be disliked, i come and work because it's challenging, the people here make me think and work hard and don't soft-pedal critiques, and because there's no other ideological island out there that wouldn't be exile after the past four years.
ben_vulpes: republic even the tiniest shittiest beachhead,
ben_vulpes: look my greatest reservation in even taking this gig was that i've not really the know-how, and would be performing poorly in public the whole while. the much-maligned "learning on the job", not that i want in the slightest to 'fake it till i make it'. that by trying, i was more likely to get drummed out of the whole party for not doing a good job. and that's a cost i'm willing pay, i guess, if it builds the
mircea_popescu: mod6, anyway, to answer some angle of the question asked, rather than "the question read between the lines" -- pizarro wirh 8 something btc in cash whatever it is does not specifically require more cash to confront a 1.x expenditure and some months of .5 each overhead or w/e it is. the fact that you two are committed to further putting money in as need may be is utterly sufficient, as far as i can discern. ymmv, but you asked.
mircea_popescu: just, shoot in the direction of the target, not in the direction of the general room.
mircea_popescu: they'll replace you in good time, which is to say if they have to pour more money in at the earliest. but that day's not yet upon you, and until it is, might as well give it your best shot.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, it's not that i dislike you or anything ; but you gotta understand there's two views to any phenomena, id est subjective and objective. from the objective view you look bad. it's not the end of the world, but rather a very valuable signal.
mod6: We have a variety of urgent matters to address. As soon as we get the additional money in place, we can get the new rockchips going. Give BingoBoingo a raise (& new digs?).
mod6: If I may, I think there's always room for improvement, and such critiques are good, help us to get better.
ben_vulpes: i'm listening to your critiques and working to address them directly. if i'm such a drag, mod6 and asciilifeform should probably replace me
ben_vulpes: selling themselves more equity or not, i'm going to bring up paying BingoBoingo more since that's a pretty important point.
ben_vulpes: seems pretty obvious to me that i'm barely keeping my nose above water with just the mechanics of pushing this along. mod6 wants to talk about putting more money in, that's his perogative. i'm assuaging BingoBoingo on bus factor of maintaining the shared server tonight and trying to make sense of the web hosting forums to filter them per yesterday's chat. once mod6 and asciilifeform make a decision about
mircea_popescu: i dunno how you're working all this out in your skull, but so far you're being a liability rather than an asset. why isn't this obvious ?
mircea_popescu: now currently you're engaging in a boatload of pussyfooting around the fact that pizarro doesn't need more capital as it is ; and the only conceivable function more capital could possibly serve as things stand is to give you some other excuse to not get sales going.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, let me tell you some things. a while ago you got these doods into a miserable situation they don't know how to extract themselves from, by ending up with 10x the warrants bingoboingo got. last i checked the dood actually moved down there.
mod6: ah, yeah. Just trying to sort out the finer points I believe.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 16:35 mircea_popescu: so agree that you'll each add another 5btc as circumstances merit ; then pizarro has all the backing it needs and a clear path to success. and if the circumstances "merit" in the sense that it needs rescuing rather than it's expanding, you can fire the management and get someone else or w/e.
mod6: mircea_popescu: Ok good deal there.
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, BingoBoingo asked for documentation on the UY1 shared hosting setup, and automation for same so i put this together: http://pizarroisp.net/newaccounts.txt asciilifeform mod6 pls to eyeball
mircea_popescu: and yes, pizarro can issue bonds in general. who buys them depends on who pizarro wants to sell them to.
mod6: If my scenario, or anything is not clear, just say, will try to formalize better. I think it may be more agreeable if asciilifeform and mod6 hold the same mount of stock. Alternatively, both of us could just take convertable bonds.
ben_vulpes: i don't have a clear picture of how pricing these would work either. part of my concern with bonds is that for a largely fiat denominated operation, interest on a btc loan can murder you if the fiat/btc rate goes up significantly, and fiat incomes stay the same.
mod6: This is something that would be figured out at some later date (the conversion rate). However, can Pizarro issue bonds just to me? Or does there need to be a tranche of them offered otherwise?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 18:01 ben_vulpes: for a convertible note like that, how'd you go about setting the conversion rate? lots of yelling?
mod6: For instance, let us use a scenario such as: asciilifeform puts in X BTC, mod6 matches alf's X BTC (where X <= 5), can this be created as stock then? In this scenario 500`000 shares would be assigned to alf & mod6 alike. In the circumstance I would put in (10 - X) more BTC, this could be assigned to me as "convertable bonds". I've been revisiting our conversation from a while back on the Pricing of Capita
mod6: Have been thinking about the refinancing, revisiting some old logs. Wondering if mircea_popescu would be willing to educate me a bit, and entertain a few possible scenarios.