mod6: douchebag: scroll up, said somethings, or just check the log
diana_coman: lobbes, there is no positive cancels negative; for starters, it's not a sum
mod6: Read that log post that I pasted above. That is the current rule.
mod6: 'heathen-istic method'
mod6: in a pinch -- you could always try to just : `patch -F 0 -E -p1 < mp-wp_genesis.vpatch` in some directory and just inflate the thing.
mod6: so douchebag: nope that's not working, if it fails like that, just blow away your press dir, whatever is there is no good.
mod6: this is what brought on the whole thing about phf doing his v stuffs or whatever.
mod6: When you see it in the flow, then you should be good. Then you'll have to do : ./v.pl p v mpwp mp-wp_genesis.vpatch pd mpwp sd .mpwp-seals
BingoBoingo: I assume she was hit while wandering aimlessly in traffic as the zombies tend to do here
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815871 << Tuesday I was on the bus and we went past and ambulance. Behind the ambulance was an old lady bleeding profusely from the head, head propped up on... CARDBOARD.
mod6: or whatever you named the different seals dir.
mod6: crud, one sec. im guessing you have a separate .seals dir for the mpwp vpatch too right?
douchebag: it ran the command, no output. going to try verbose
mod6: mother of god.
mod6: I would say, focus on trinque's task list. Then read back on the other neg ratings given and see if some repair can be done to your wot-status.
douchebag: danielpbarron: what's the exact reason you negrated me?
trinque: the rule is any lord.
trinque: and douchebag, sounds like you have another lord from whom to ask forgiveness; pizarro account is still in peril
mod6: Depends on the audience maybe.
mod6: and further, not even sure why you need a domain. (unless for some reason wp-mp doesn't work without one)
trinque: wasn't that about the same guy?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:16 mod6: Because I don't want us to ever ask someone about things such as this; their rating of someone.
lobbes: re wot: I mean, the serenity of leveraging the wot, imho, is that it is a purely individual-to-individual thing by design. In this case, you have Pizarro (P) who has customer relationships with MP and D. D has been negrated by T on the basis of Tx. MP can either decide 1) Tx means enough to request P get rid of D, in which case P now determines if it values MP or D moar, or 2) MP decides Tx does not mean enough to request P get rid of D.
trinque: mod6: means from where my butt sits, if it's tomorrow, I pull the trigger. so get crackin
trinque: mod6: the example's illustrated for logs, and now e can discuss it
trinque: mod6: since his remedy involves access to a place to post the report, I'll give it until the end of the day, which is ample time to get a blog up and a post (even incomplete, so what) up.
mod6: And what I should have said is: In light of the douchebag being neg-rated by a someone, a TMSR~ Lord especially, douchebag will be removed from access. This may change if his status changes.
trinque: mod6: I don't mean there's an actual contract, just referencing the notion of "cure period"
trinque: because dick-pulling comes before the republic. immature bullshit to be weeded out.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 03:43 douchebag: Alright, I can have that done in the next week or so. I'm currently using the rockchip box to host a webpage to troll someone, so I want the lulz there to continue to it's full potential
trinque: the intent here is to force him to make good on his word. earlier he said the rockchip was going to be a tool to get acquainted with trb, and now it's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815869
mod6: Because I don't want us to ever ask someone about things such as this; their rating of someone.
mod6: There is no contract here. I don't want to ask anyone about their ratings. Perhaps I shouldn't have asked what I asked there above.
esthlos: to butt in: should only patches with good seals show in the flow?
mod6: it's not found in the flow because something is either wrong with the signature of the vpatch, or the signatory is not in the current wot.
mod6: that's fine trinque -- the extra 'v' is for 'verbose' mode.
trinque: (this is not even to mention that either he or the other guy was contacting me as tittynicks asking when their money will be sent, lol)
mod6: This is fine, my thinking is that he will be removed. If the rating changes at some point, then we will reconsider allowing him to be a customer.
trinque: mod6: if I tell you, I'm giving someone I'm already punishing for weaselbehavior a defined mechanism to weasel further
trinque: I think "nobody does business with any L1-negrated party" is a bit strict. folks need to be able to beat someone over the head with disapproval without removing their ability to take part in society by having done so.
mod6: trinque: I only asked you, not as an appeal process, personally I couldn't care less. However, just wondering if you are going to remove that rating should the man do whatever in the next say day or two, whatever.
mod6: mircea_popescu: how should Pizarro handle this, in your opinion, given the last conversation about this?
trinque: if you press me on terms I'll remove the -1, you risk creating a mommyprocess anyone with a negrate can appeal to.
trinque: if you follow the log lines I referenced back, you'll see exactly why I did it.
douchebag: I just need to set up an mpwp blog and post the work I already have done
mod6: This is not a negotiation. Just asking what the deal is. Cause Pizarro is going to end up removing him from the hardware.
trinque: I really don't like the idea of negotiating with anyone on what my ratings shall be
mod6: sooo... trinque, is the neg-rating on douchebag going to stand? because mircea_popescu has rented him a rockchip (right?) and according to the rules we laid out, I think we said that douchebag would be removed from access to the hardware.
esthlos: in case anyone missed these lulz: if you pass --no-default-keyring to gpg but don't supply another keyring, gpg... uses the default keyring. and if you pass a keyring, it assumes it's in the home directory
trinque: I really like how this thing is coming together, ftr, and can't wait to start using it with portage.
trinque: just driving at using the logs in a particular manner, so threads build towards more coherence. working in isolation, v-in-my-head disjoins from v-in-yours.
trinque: esthlos: I'd rather let you perform whatever changes to this thing, so I can keep working with gentoo entrails.
esthlos: oh wow, the gpg behaivor is...special
trinque: there is a 1.4.something preserved in a deed
trinque: and yes, your approach is inadequate. gotta read all the logs since your last visit.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 15:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, (and i guess apeloyee, if tuned in) : i'll be most interested in theoretical attacks of the proposed scheme.
asciilifeform: they use same format
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 03:04 trinque: since I haven't heard from you, I'm proceeding with these changes myself
esthlos: now I'm going to go through the logs and see if I've missed anything else. let me know what you've done on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815850 so we don't double spend on time. and to sum it up, yeah, my bad on the communication
esthlos: now for your comments: getting rid of the defpackage was a bad oversight, no real reason. My guess why gpg is failing is because I'm using 2.2.4 while I think most of you guys use 1.x . Moving to 1.x is on my backlog, but it was deprioritized becasue I didn't want to spend the time converting my keys. Another oversight, I suppose
a111: Logged on 2018-05-18 03:51 trinque is peeling back the layers trying to see what gpg is cranky about. meanwhile, why'd the (defpackage :v ...) go away?
esthlos: trinque: my current plan has been this: I digest the logs in batches every few days, but search for my nick at least once a day. since my nick wasn't referred to in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-18#1815256 , I missed it. my approach may be inadequate, since trilema is the first time I've used irc and I don't really know what I'm doing. but it's a reality of my schedule that sometimes I won't be able to respond for two days or so
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, (and i guess apeloyee, if tuned in) : i'll be most interested in theoretical attacks of the proposed scheme.
mircea_popescu: im also changing the structure to lists, at reader suggestion.
mircea_popescu: aaand in other ancient truths, http://trilema.com/2013/things-that-matter-these-days-things-that-dont-matter-these-days/#selection-97.1-105.118
trinque: I don't have a defined expiration time for them. If bot operators are interested in ^ maybe we'll go ahead and say it's 3 months, or whatever's sensible.
spyked: hm. so trinque, OTPs don't have any sort of expiration? the scenario I'm thinking of is that eventually my (for example) home ISP would do some stupid thing that would lead to the TCP connection going down. but that could happen in a week, a month or six from now, so I'd want that OTP to be valid whenever that happens.
spyked: (I suspect there is no way to separate privkey storage from bot operation *and* automatically perform e.g. deedbot self-voicing; but I might be wrong)
spyked: lobbes, I am curious: how do you have lobbesbot self-voice then? do you do it manually?
lobbes: douchebag: The 'social engineering' in my statement refers to leveraging the RCE to (painfully, because lobbesbot privkey does not control any deedbot funds, so you'd need -my- privkey, which does not reside on public toilet box you RCE'd into) use deedbot -normally- by becoming lobbes through key theft
mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes, the social engineering part is trying to downgrade the look at the bot (ie, ANY one key) to look at randos (ie, a CERTAIN key).
douchebag: I just don't think social engineering would be the right word to use for remote command execution
douchebag: I could have got a reverse shell on the box though, is the gpg privkey for the bot not sitting on the vulnerable machine?
lobbes: so, in theory, sure. But in practice you'd have to expend quite a bit of effort to find the gpg privkey in order to decrypt deedbot's challenge to determine the balance of that one deedbot wallet, which still isn't finding a flaw in deedbot, just good social engineering attack (e.g. picking a key off someone's person does not mean the lock the key belongs to is flawed)
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 03:52 douchebag: trinque: also in theory, since I got RCE on lobbes bot, in theory I could have determined the balance of the bot if I decided to comprimise the system rather than proof of concept :^)
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815879 << also to note, you would have had to compromise my network (which, sure, possible) because the box you achieved RCE on is a dedicated public toilet box containing no privkeys of import. I use a proper airgapped machine for important stuff (ala http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/)
trinque: much later and less interesting stuff, I think. she relates the experience as an expensive waste of time.
trinque: ah yeah, she gets cruel estimates of what her pizza money would be worth today all the time.
trinque: douchebag: you know, in theory my girlfriend could be fabulously rich, given she heard about bitcoin first in 2010. and yet.
Mocky: yeah i've seen crazy shit like that, most of it in flordia. once saw a dude riding a wheelie on the interstate opposite direction. never saw his front tire on the ground
douchebag: trinque: also in theory, since I got RCE on lobbes bot, in theory I could have determined the balance of the bot if I decided to comprimise the system rather than proof of concept :^)
trinque: I was driving on the highway once, tight traffic, and a guy comes by on a crotch rocket laying like superman on the seat, feet out behind him, weaves through the cars at close to 100mph
Mocky has skin in the game
trinque: heh damn. lucky his ass is still attached to the rest of him.
mircea_popescu: so girl goes around it, therefgore also on wrong way, and the next thing there's a fucking motorcycle coming downhill.
douchebag: Alright, I can have that done in the next week or so. I'm currently using the rockchip box to host a webpage to troll someone, so I want the lulz there to continue to it's full potential
mircea_popescu: so get a load of this : i'm going uphill in the pitch darkness, you know, these complete hairpin curves, and WHAM! there's a fucking police truck, parked, searchlights etc, on THE WRONG WAY
mircea_popescu: motherfucker
trinque: there are "incomplete" items on everyone's blog here.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-29 00:21 trinque: great. I'd like you to review the dependencies of trb (which were frozen at particular versions) for known public exploits, and to publish a report of this on your own mpwp blog.
douchebag: Not all of them, but a decent amount
trinque: ^ in other solipsisms
trinque will start ragging on the guy. good work, but needs to develop out of the solipsist phase of the republican encounter
trinque: since I haven't heard from you, I'm proceeding with these changes myself
trinque: esthlos: there's also no sense in giving the thing a version number. the "version" is the patch the operator pressed to.
trinque: aha, people are going to be able to tell the context.
lobbes: asciilifeform: I don't dislike. I was operating under the mode of "reduce log clutter (via not triggering $quotebot) if quote being referenced is ~10 lines away"
trinque: it'd be bad form to try to throw a genesis patch "over the wall" for this without taking the time to have the necessary threads.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-18 03:51 trinque is peeling back the layers trying to see what gpg is cranky about. meanwhile, why'd the (defpackage :v ...) go away?
trinque: esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-18#1815256 << yo, what of this, and the other things addressed to you?
asciilifeform: y'know, the civilized , clickable, back-referenceable kind
asciilifeform: lobbes: i gotta ask, is there a reason you dislike using proper logline quoting ?
lobbes: mircea_popescu> [23:49:57] then there's nepos, appian, dio.. << ah, excellent, these give me a lot to run with. ty
trinque: lobbes: I find your quoting style kinda hard to read. looks like a non sequitur in whatever thread they appear until the end is reached, and oh ">>"
mircea_popescu: fellow was present for the sack of cartago.
mircea_popescu: there's also polybius, in greek.
mircea_popescu: lobbes, cicero. indirectly cesar, but rather informative.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 19:22 mircea_popescu: lobbes, sure ; though it's iffier there, in that caesar and then espeically augustus actually attempted a restart of the proper republic out of the ashes of the shit it had ended up in. caesar in this sense is the polar opposite of lincoln, ie, attempted to manipulate the overwhelming pantsuit into the extinction-or-sanity dilemma, rather than being manipulated by the underwhelming pantsuit into internecine warfare.
lobbes: I really need to get back to reading Gibbon's "Decline and Fall", though I'm starting to think that perhaps I should be starting with a text that deals with the -rise and formation- of the republic and eventual empire so as to give better context as to what, exactly, was declining. And on that note: anyone recommend a good text for that subject? >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815645
lobbes: it really is. most depressing quote I overheard the other day in the cubicle fields: "I just want to climb the corporate ladder". It is like the legends of "band continuing to play while Titanic sank"
mircea_popescu: it's certainly better than running about chasing own tail in the nonsensical dilemmas of democracy.
mircea_popescu: and so the spittoon unstrands...
mircea_popescu: in any case -- kant without greek is an iffy proposition, because the fellow was practically the last athenian.
lobbes: I'm truly beginning to grok that these days
lobbes: I will say, I've started keeping very detailed notes of everything I do re: my various projects. has become an extension of my brain really >> mircea_popescu> and even today, i know ~nothing "without checking my notes". nor do i want to, wtf. that's why there's a log, after all, because of this style.
mircea_popescu: presumably next step after that, they'll challenge the king of persia to "single combat". talk about infantile worldviews.
mircea_popescu: defining knowledge as "that which happens without your notes" is not unlike telling a bunch of F1 pilots that speed is that which happens without their car. really ?
mircea_popescu: this simple measure experimentally increases productivity by an order of magnitude, counterintuitive as that may be. because "programming" essentially consists of people spending ten hours to save five minutes, much like "business" is, by bulk, people working 14 to 16 hour days to make a dime an hour ~while they sleep~, except they only sleep 4-5 hours a night.
mircea_popescu: and the model is readily expanded to writing software, too. by the time you've had enough of writing $x, you'll write a script to write $x for you. AND NOT BEFORE.
mircea_popescu: the point is to know ~with~ your knotes. you're not auditioning for laika over here.
mircea_popescu: and even today, i know ~nothing "without checking my notes". nor do i want to, wtf. that's why there's a log, after all, because of this style.
mircea_popescu: then over time it learns to trust you're not bullshiting it, either, and so i ended up learning all of physics magic numberds without ever trying to. to the despair of the kids that did.
mircea_popescu: the ~checking~ is the only part that needs your enforcement ; the rest it does itself.
mircea_popescu: mind that there's no point in putting a bonus on "not checking notes". that's why they're notes, to be checked. let memory adapt naturally and unconstrained -- when the animal you inhabit has had enough of the motor effort to check up $X, it'll memorize it ; and before--- it checks.
lobbes: this is how I've been approaching Deutsch lernen von Kant; I've been going through word-by-word and physically writing down my own researched definitions of each word. Then I'll re-read trying to reconstruct with my new definitions in hand until I encounter something new, then repeat. Slow going (I can read a total of 3 sentences now without checking my notes) but it has been working for me so far, daran ist gar kein Zweifel >> http://btcbase.org
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 19:42 mircea_popescu: lobbes, if you're inclined, there's an excellent item that you can use to teach yourself greek : http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0157
mircea_popescu: by now getting kinda dim tho. but the 0000 sets, definitely worth doing.
asciilifeform: other potentially-interesting stabs in the dark include nextprime(sha1/2(dictionarypassword)) and the like.
asciilifeform: this is possible via lattice method, but sadly i haven't currently the free hands
asciilifeform: this alone is not , arguably, interesting ; but then turns out that the score of the ~modulus~ is not uncorrelated with that of the constituent primes.
asciilifeform: in other lullies re subj : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QazsK/?raw=true << nontrivial (256b and up) primes known to phuctor, sorted by ascending ~ent score~
asciilifeform normally thinks of 'bitness' in re rsa, rather than 'byteness'
asciilifeform: was speaking above of the ~primes~
asciilifeform: buncha 512b keys in the collection
asciilifeform: already wrote up the generator for this, last night
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you realise what this suggests : try all primes of the format xx(124 bits of 0)yy.
asciilifeform: recall, we already had a 'set top bit and nexprime()' bunch: http://qntra.net/2016/08/phuctor-finds-seven-keys-produced-with-null-rng-and-other-curiosities
mircea_popescu: as it's fucking unlikely two machines crashed the particular way i describe.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the fact that both 220.157.192.232 and 113.37.155.10 used ~different~ keys that had this as a factor kinda favour your theory, "set bit on null-rnd, nextprime()".
asciilifeform: ( the odds against uninited buffer having just those, are heavy )
asciilifeform: seems more likely that top byte was deliberately set != 0 , this seems to be the custom in erry single rsatron i ran across
asciilifeform: hey it obeys the 'set coupla upper bits and get nextprime()' algo! so wat if forgot to rngize !11
mircea_popescu: what, actual barf made it into the buffer ?
asciilifeform: the prime is... 0xcd0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000d9 !!
a111: Logged on 2018-05-18 18:52 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the lullicus maxiumus, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/5332 >> 1) it's a prime 2) it's a... i'ma leave this as exercise for the reader !
asciilifeform: unrelatedly: since nobody answered http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-18#1815331 riddle, i'ma post the answer :
douchebag: Also made friends with a couple of people I had no idea were even going, they just happened to mention they were at the same conference in chat so we met up
douchebag: I also got to meet some internet friends there - it was a great time
douchebag: It is man! I definitely reccomend attending some of the larger security conferences
douchebag: Yeah, I went there with 2 people from class one was a female and she introduced me to a bunch of her coworkers which were primarily female so we just got drunk and watched conference talks
douchebag: I was at a 3 security conferences in the past month, had a great time
Mocky: i don't remenmber, some bigish security consultancy, do a lot of conference talks, anyway almost interviews with those lying bastards, after spending a month doing their 'hack the firmware' challenge and 'find all the security holes in this web site' challenge
douchebag: I also found an open redirect, which they patched. I was able to bypass their fix so I'm waiting on a reply from that now
mircea_popescu: he really likes the web stuff.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, while present, i'd say these are marginal considerations here, mostly exploited for their comedic potential.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ~most~ of what's left of imperial cultural / intellectual life is exactly, "explaining bits and pieces of the deceased culture of the white man, for gorillas that aren't white man but like to feel like they ~could be~, if they ~really wanted to~.
mircea_popescu: may i suggest one of your next posts, by the title "A summary of MacArthur & stuff, for the use of MP, who doesn't give a shit about such things" ?
Mocky: i thought he was a good speaker at the time, i guess his shtick was explaining (his understanding of) the scriptural hermeneutics to people who don't care about such things but want to feel as if they do
Mocky: yeah was a huge 'fan' of macarthur for years, had macarthur study bible i carried around, listened to him on the radio etc
mircea_popescu: ah, you live around there ?
mircea_popescu: he was put on the radar once his lordship danielpbarron decided to move to rural ok.
mircea_popescu: well adapted to life in a democracy, sure, but that's besides the point. mentally vacuous as all get-out.
mircea_popescu: i'm not making any judgement about him ; but i am pointing out the whatever they're called, the dudes he's fixated on, are very obviously total tards.
mircea_popescu: this is incidentally a pretty decent parlour trick : take a bonbon in one hand and nothing i nthe other, and present young child with the choice -- but shake your head no as he goes for the bonbon. you'll be surprised (really, in esl lands you'll be downright shocked) how much trouble young kids have in escaping this trap.
mircea_popescu: /2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/ sense of choice) : either he picks "someone", where someone is defined as ~one of them~, some boeck or other, in which case, "here's an article by the boeck ~you picked~ saying ~you're wrong" ; or else VERY BAD AND WE WILL ALL SHAKE OUR HEAD AND PRETEND LIKE YOU DID UNSPEAKABLE WRONGS
mircea_popescu: rather, you realise, david fish is not ~personally~ interesting to whatever ocean trawler neoprotestant californian "mega" church. the strict item that interests them is to reduce the sovereignity issue. as far as they're concerned the most important property of the universe is integration, a single center with everything in a star pattern. so he's supposed to be confronted very much with a "choice" (in the http://trilema.com
mircea_popescu: ok. and upon summarization, the most notable point that remains of their accreted body of critique is, "this guy doesn't think anyone else was righteous", as in eg https://archive.is/KGCUs#selection-479.25-479.267
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, you aware the dood has a set of detractors/"critics" yes ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 16:25 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, btw, i'm curious : has your fish friend figured out the "He admits he cannot name one other Christian leader outside his own little band of followers—anyone who has lived in the two millennia between the death of the last apostle and the advent of Darwin Fish—who has remained faithful to the truth." bla bla bla "criticism" is very strictly a http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22there+was+a+limit+where+the+fla
mircea_popescu: it's a seinfeld joke. from the virgin. "you could get forty hooks in here!"
mircea_popescu: ima put this in there, because ahahaha. touton : http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=tou%3Dton&la=greek&can=tou%3Dton0&prior=ei%28/lonto&d=Perseus:text:1999.01.0157:chapter=1&i=1#lexicon
mircea_popescu: it's true that on one hand this failed spectacularily with chinese in my own hands ( http://trilema.com/2016/lets-do-chinese-together/ ) ; and that a girl's on the record as having spent A YEAR with a moderate length ENGLIS?H text in this way. nevertheless, no other avenues work, long and involved and beset with perils as this one may indeed turn out to be.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless with patience you can construct your own dictionary translation, which may be informative ; and in any case is a process of actual learning as opposed to going to us.school.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-11 18:37 mircea_popescu: this is how it manages the inapproximable "whisks" of meaning that latin-style then has so much trouble noting down.
mircea_popescu: the horiz arrows / bars on top take you through the text ; if you click on any word you get a report, and lexicon links (multiple, because http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697164
mircea_popescu: lobbes, if you're inclined, there's an excellent item that you can use to teach yourself greek : http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0157
BingoBoingo: ^ Mocky you might be interested in where the trilemas linked in that news item lead
lobbes: Mocky, dun feel bad, it took me yesterday and today to finally get through that one. (well, except for the Greek, because, well, it is all Greek to me!)
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a golden thread uniting the house of strangers and http://trilema.com/2018/pepi-luci-bom-y-otras-chicas-del-monton/ : that woman, the misfortunate burden bearer, beset by stupid girlies and stupider boys.
mircea_popescu: in fact, polyamory and the harem are exact opposites under this aspect, that polyamory is transparently enough an attempt to limit the depth of investment (after all, good soviet shouldn't love anything more than the party, right) whereas harem is on the contrary, what pitre'd call "an exagerated" investment. absolute enough to consider "move on or burn myself" dilemma as such.
mircea_popescu: not afaik ; moreover polyamory has naught to do with the harem ; and this even before you consider "polyamory" ie http://trilema.com/2018/heres-what-polyamory-is-not/
Mocky: yeah but isnt' that why you call it polyamory, so that after it gets jacked then well it was never a 'harem' and it was never 'yours' ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 18:14 Mocky: speaking of plot twists, pretty surprised by the Ada usage. I pictured usg.DOD-design-by-committee lang commissioned to help build out the chumpatronic-mass-programmer infrastructure for gov contracts. I guess it's time to reevaluate my priors.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 18:58 mircea_popescu: Mocky, the empire of evil started as the republic of men.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> doesn't ~anyone~ get tenure anymore ?! << Promoted out of it suggest the idle life of a single graduate seminar every other semester + lab.
mircea_popescu: and besides -- what the fuck should happen ? eventually you're old. and then dead. what, all of them should kill themselves ?
mircea_popescu: this is not so rare ; most harems end up hijacked. if slut follows soldier, then necessarily.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-24 15:26 mircea_popescu: you should see the panic when i send girl to swoop her.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phunphakt re yudkowsky -- d00d has the dubious distinction, among others, of having had 'his' harem... hijacked
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't specifically know, in his case. but typically they get 'promoted out' of it when reading that level.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 17:38 Mocky: i read yudkowski and liked, went to less wrong 'community' and was bunch of tards ingrouping the hell out of eachother
mircea_popescu: on meditation, i suspect the reason for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815573 actually is, that the item exists (at least at its core) as a campus dating club.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-03 02:13 asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'Exploring Encryption and Potential Mechanisms for Authorized Government Access to Plaintext: Proceedings of a Workshop.' Anne Johnson, Emily Grumbling, and Jon Eisenberg, Rapporteurs. THE NATIONAL ACADEMIES PRESS 500 Fifth Street, NW Washington, DC 20001 This activity was supported by the Office of the Director for National Intelligence, under Contract....
mircea_popescu: oh, they kicked him out of teaching ?
asciilifeform: Mocky: boneh is a well-funded, quite prolific usg.corrupt mathematician, with (formerly, iirc) a day job teaching undergrads ( hence your exposure )
mircea_popescu: i suppose as far as the orcs are concerned, it's mostly a boneh-or-boeck distinction.
mircea_popescu: anyway -- you can start with say http://trilema.com/2018/democracy-sucks-the-two-thousand-four-hundred-and-change-years-old-version/ ; not the first but certainly the most recent "read, motherfuckers."
mircea_popescu: Mocky, why surprised ? the republic's well informed, its spies reach far indeed.
mircea_popescu: lobbes, sure ; though it's iffier there, in that caesar and then espeically augustus actually attempted a restart of the proper republic out of the ashes of the shit it had ended up in. caesar in this sense is the polar opposite of lincoln, ie, attempted to manipulate the overwhelming pantsuit into the extinction-or-sanity dilemma, rather than being manipulated by the underwhelming pantsuit into internecine warfare.
Mocky: re: boneh, he seem legit as he's teaching you to trivially break reused otp, and flawed padding schemes, but that's all i know about him, just surprised to see in the logs
lobbes: much like Roman Republic > Roman Empire milllennia before >> mircea_popescu> [18:58:59] Mocky, the empire of evil started as the republic of men
mircea_popescu: (ie, the constructive read theory of the legitimacy of the historical read would be, "it reproduces the structure of set theory without explicitly importing the priors, therefore it's valid". or something in that vein.)
mircea_popescu: ructive explanation of itself, making it meaningful in the alternative view.
mircea_popescu: n in the reduction of the tree of "what could the author possibly have meant" built on first pass is "what was author aware of". a direct way to bruteforce this problem is to look at dates -- exactly like we did above re FG question. if you'll look at dates, they become essentially the equivalent of the set limits in set theory -- and it is thereby you know the historical approach is intellectually valid -- it permits a const
mircea_popescu: in summary : comprehension of a text permits two approaches, one constructive and the other historical. if you approach it constructively, a text means the most it possibly can, irrespective of any auctorial considerations. it is from this school that we have eg, the theory of value in art, whereby "art are those texts that continue to mean after their context was extinguished". if you approach it historically, a major concer
mircea_popescu: Mocky, so we know you've not spent any considerable time in the field between literary theory and hermeneutics, however you'd call it. "advanced reading".
mircea_popescu: taq/tpq : limit up to / from which something is measured ; there's also terminus a quo / terminus ad quem, but i don't like them because confusing to non-latin speakers.
Mocky: my high school latin fails me then
asciilifeform: Mocky: boneh is example of a not-entirely-talentless maths d00d who , for whatever reason, joined enemy camp as a professional fifth columnist in open-publication academia , rather than nsa in-house
Mocky: on a different note, i see this Boneh fellow, is all over the logs. I think this is the same guy i took a video class coarsera "crypto 101' 18 months ago
mircea_popescu: the switch only happened recently. the exact date is debatable, perhaps http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/ ; certainly the taq would be 2001.
asciilifeform: after mims, find horowitz & hill's 'the art of electronics'
Mocky: I'm more interested in the EE side, ie actually knowing enough about the physical machine to be said auditor: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-30#815513
a111: Logged on 2017-09-02 19:42 asciilifeform: phf: let's start with the gate count
Mocky: I have had an interest in working on hardware for the past few years. Not in the 'make ic fab' sense, but just like 'know how to make something'. But I haven't known where to start. Not super juiced to drop some python on a raspberry pi and consider myself a 'maker'
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 17:00 asciilifeform: so yes, the only reason why anybody sells ice and 95xx -like 'sea of gates' at all, is that for 'glue' (simple boolean functions of signals, for e.g. bus decoding, addressing, simple i/o multiplexing) is that you can't actually do it reliably with the non-seaofgates devices
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 20:06 asciilifeform: in other 'news', it is apparently impossible to fit even ONE 4096-bit adder into an ice40-8k ( the largest in the series )
asciilifeform: nao, there ~is~ today something that there wasn't 5y ago, which is the properly-reversed fpga :
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 16:16 asciilifeform: ( for the sake of thread-completeness, what would the ~alternative~ to this story look like? i suggest -- it'd be a process which does to ic fab what 'polaroid' process did to colour photography. find way of etching the circuit from prefab 'sandwich' without caustic baths, sputtering, etc... )