asciilifeform: i mean, we do have these in usa, can call'em 'budget model' criminals, they have money for the toy pistol with which to hold up bank, but not for the getaway car; for the 'carding' dataset but not for the ticket to iran; etc
mircea_popescu: so this is the tripartite system -- the mirvniki, iiincredibly fuycking insane. they dare all sorts of inconceivable out-of-line behaviour, because they really think they're protected by the lcd screen. got used to do this, eventually their brain rots, tyhey think they're safe. except of course if the reich comes asking for them to sign "confession". THEN they're affraid ; of that, yes. they push over like butter, as if the f
asciilifeform: i was waiting for the curtain call part of the story, with 'and what he did to the stoolie'
mircea_popescu: if i was doing this and someone did that, i'd fucking gut them, saw their children where their guts used to be and dumped them in assemblage in the sewage plant. but the ~most dangerous romanian criminal~, established the press, dun feel the need to bother.
mircea_popescu: and this idiot beyond what epithets can mark, this idiot kept losing girls. and he somehow explained this to himself as normal. if my engine loses oil i fucking have it checked by experts, this moron kept losing girls and thinking nothing of it.
mircea_popescu: some dumbass spanish redditard, yes, becuause who buys fucktickets from inept pigheads, some dumbass 45yo stackexchanger, expert sexchanger, some fucktard "computer engineer" DARED, not merely to steal the woman of a convicted murderer running a prostitution ring, but then not even go into hiding in fuckbumstan. no, he went with her ~to the fucking police~.
asciilifeform: ... they picked him up for wrong colour of staples in passport, searched house, found gurl ?
mircea_popescu: n, not two, N! i don't even know HOW HIGH ABOVE A DOZEN!!! girls were... i'm not sure anyone is ready for this... they were rescued by customers.
mircea_popescu: this guy did not permit the girls to talk to one another. do you understand, to any degree, the sort of psychosis wilful people develop in prison ? he ran that operation as tight as fuck, not like he advertised for help on tardstalk.
mircea_popescu: because eurozone amirite, what are they for.
mircea_popescu: which is how he ended up with my people, i left sleepers to look for legal lulz for my own personal amusement. and it turned out that he ALSO had a large term in italy that neither the spanish nor the romanians even knew about.
mircea_popescu: he was convicted in spain, returned to romania, where also convicted, though it's not exactly clear if of same deeds (except at the getting girls, rather than selling fuck tickets end of it) or other deeds. he applied to court ot have punishments processed together,
mircea_popescu: he spent those 7 years building up a network inside the prison. he then got out, moved to spain, and started what's called "human trafficking". ie, he'd trick idiot girlies into coming over, chained them to a post and soldf fuck tickets.
mircea_popescu: here it is : he was convicted of a murder (the inept rural sort, ie, exactly what you say) many years ago. he got a term which turned to about 7 years.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform's orig. argument, summarized : if bank cards used actual nonleaking rsa, and signed individual transactions under direct physical control of user -- there would be no 'carding'. qed. )
asciilifeform: it exists to supply one of the pretexts for usg nationalization of banking infrastructure.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i do not necessarily disagree with your theory. but let me walk you through a practical anecdote, so we understand the world better together, shall we ?
a111: Logged on 2014-02-13 01:00 asciilifeform: fact is, 'carding' could disappear overnight if the card issuers wished it. (even in countries with ubiquitous old-style magnetic readers. devices which present the correct magnetism, using one-time account #s, are trivial.)
mircea_popescu: ie, even if the bank welcomed it (which it doesn't because they're trying to do business not participate in la revolucion), you couldn't in good conscience condone a process that constantly results in you processing stolen money. cuz you're not in that fucking business, and if you'd rather be then go work for the ny families or something.
mircea_popescu: now all this withstanding, asciilifeform has a point in the following sense : if you constantly end up with stolen funds, something will ahve to be done about it -- and by you, as a sane fucking person. money transfers don't exist so idle fucktards can sit around on wealth they didn't work for, "oh, i wonder if i should do my homework or read up on carding forums".
mircea_popescu: but the empire assumes the assumptions that favour its nonsense, and they'll have to be drilled through.
mircea_popescu: the trucks dun move until the money is in, definitely. and so that's the point here, peeling more and ever more layers off. when we send bitcoin, we're sending something > trucks of lcd panels, not something < vogue magazine.
mircea_popescu: industrial process can't have this "maybe the money's there, maybe there isn't". so people who actually keep the shit moving ain't got time for the bs. meanwhile non-essential services get shafted all the time, nobody cares you sent 10k copies of your extra speshial ladies fashion mag.
asciilifeform: well for soros they'll not only not clawback but send complimentary whores and chocolate, sure.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, of course they do. just, not for random dick.
mircea_popescu: yers they're not going to fear that ; or else may ask you whether you agree. but if you don't agree, the other bank will send ANOTHER request, to refund and also ban your account. which your bank again, may do even IF they met your lawyers.
mircea_popescu: there's all sorts of rot and bullshit meanwhile baked into the system, such as, "sepa" (ie, i-can't-believe-it's-not-a-wire eurozone-only ersatz) has a two week recallable period. other banks may have other arrangements. the standard is that the other bank will ask for the money to be sent back "voluntarily" ; the bank may do it and pretend you agreed -- and feel free to take them to court, if your lawyers never met their law
asciilifeform: iirc bank won't ever say 'it cleared, 100% guarantee of no-clawback' because 'helps to launder' and leads to burning at the usg stake
mircea_popescu: the correct approach, of course, is to not merely have an account with a bank outside of nato reich, but to have sufficient legal presence there that you get to the actual bottom of things with the bank (ie, not "retail shop clerk told me some random nonsense he assumed to be the case"), and then only clear transfers once the wire has in fact cleared (a signal most banks don't expose to most customers, because everyone involv
mircea_popescu: s for it back. if you sent it straight to your dc's account, well, they may either get their bank account closed down, or spend however long doing paperwork, neither of which is something they're ready for, so they'll conceivably panic.)
mircea_popescu: the point of concern is that if indeed you are paid with stolen funds, your recourse is very limited (hurr durr, "negrate" guy on web-fake-wot, so what, you invested btc in improving some unalligend bs website ?) and without your own bank account, your ability to evaluate the cost of risk is also very limited (dood hijacks some losers windows-broswer-session, sends you 5k, the bank of the loser sends it, then a week later ask
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 17:52 jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1813874 << i was somewhat successful on localbitcoins, until (presumably, noone said me details) they started to wire me stolen money.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 00:10 mircea_popescu: re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-15#1813559 : one important palliative measure would be for ben_vulpes to create a strong presence on localbitcoins, if nowhere else. there's people there willing to do wires for you, and you never know when it comes handy in a pinch.
mircea_popescu: re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1813874 ; in light of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814511 i had my own intel examine it. it turns out that a) fraud is indeed rampant there, and especially for larger ammounts (this is web world, so larger is > 49.95 or so) and b) aged accounts with large trade histories are regularily bought/sold on fraudster forums.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty for the heads up, got an eta
trinque: really depends on whether it's a "throw switch first and ask questions later" or "if somebody whines, you have $duration to tell user to stop"
asciilifeform: trinque: afaik every known fiatola isp, incl. in ru and cn, (formally) forbid warez . whether this adds up to an actual problem , is another matter.
lobbes: trinque's got a point re: marketing materials. Also, can I get a copy of the service agreement pizarro has with dc (en español is fine)? The primary selling point for the shared hosting is going to be "host whatever you want", but it obviously cannot be "anything" so salesperson needs to know the edges
asciilifeform: mod6: not because i don't like to, lol, i'd happily eat 100% of these 4evah if i had with what.
trinque: i.e. if I ran some ads somewhere, where's the ad's link end up?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-21 22:47 ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform: a sales incentive scheme proposal: we kick back 5% of revenue to affiliates who've recruited up to 10 paying customers, 10% up to 25 paying customers, 15% to 50 customers and then 20% for recruiting over 50 customers, which'd be a tidy .03 btc/mo, way better than any other "while you sleep" scheme out there.
shinohai: nah I just unpack stean-latest .deb using `ar x` ... then cd to the resulting usr/bin/ and ./steam
shinohai: meh i just unpack the .deb package and cheat, never given me issues
trinque: these days I rarely find time for gaming anyway.
Mocky: shinohai, thanks re: mims warez. I found similar, already a 3rd of the way thru. a book hand printed in mechanical pencil... remarkable
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816456 <-- hey, neat archeologgy! may I persuade you to reflow the preformatted content somehow (replace pre with blockquote or something else)? it's a pita to read long log lines on 80 column setups.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 18:20 spyked: asciilifeform: http://thetarpit.org/uploads/2015/02/hc-85.jpg (though mine was a HC 90 I think). Romanian ZX Spectrum clone, similar to many others discussed here
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 02:58 asciilifeform: meanwhile, for incorrigible rotakus strictly, http://manualul.info ( found, naturally, while digging for the orig kindergarten src of http://trilema.com/2018/printul )
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816441 <-- this is golden! /me stumbles upon http://manualul.info/Alg_X_1989/ , looks at ToC: "elemente de prelucrare automată a datelor --> câteva instrucțiuni ale limbajului BASIC". and to think, this was wahahay before the days of "everyone and their dog has computer in their pocket" and "teach all kidz computer science"!
mircea_popescu: the fucktards apparently can't reconstruct a mbr ; and who needs jfs anyway.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other web technologies & platforms involuntary humour, https://archive.is/akno9
a111: Logged on 2018-05-21 23:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816404 << believe or not, i dun actually have a en<->de .txt . ( the arch-bestseller , v. k. mueller's en<->ru , is errywhere, e.g. http://www.alleng.ru/d/engl/engl150.htm )
ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816420, Thanks! I could only find stupid online services (of which dict.cc allows you to download the dictionary, but I wonder about the correctness of this site).
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, all these fucktards derping about "regulators". it is strictly impossible to have anything intelligent or meaningful to say if it includes the word "regulator" ; EXACTLY in the way it was impossible to say anything intelligent if your verbiage included "phlogiston" a century ago, or geocentrism six centuries ago and so following.
mircea_popescu: and there is such a thing as a "bride's shame" plant too. so yes, the proposed conceit was that girls impregnated out of wedlock had taken as stroll through a flowery meadow and well... it caught.
mircea_popescu: long story short, soviet kids integrated into youth culture faster than soviet state integrated "soviet world" ; the result was the failure of the soviet state.
mircea_popescu: but not the broad strokes. much like chukcha confronted with car understands ~some~ things about it, but picture chukcha's blog describing cars.
mircea_popescu: it's two pronged. on one hand, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=vhs+america ; on the other hand http://trilema.com/2011/un-rasad-uscat/ ; https://www.pri.org/stories/2011-05-19/how-rock-and-roll-brought-soviet-union-down ; https://blogs.lt.vt.edu/aalrussia2014/2014/12/07/behind-the-iron-curtain-western-music-and-the-soviet-collapse/ and piles of similar wank. they misrepresent and misunderstand everything involved, of course,
Mocky: what is the soviet state rock and roll relationship?
mircea_popescu: this paradigm readily explains the soviet state - "rock and roll" relationship, and moreover that historical accident had a lot to do with why alphabet even ~exists~ today. otherwise, on the naked strength of imaginary "advertising revenue" google is worth ~dozen stackexchanges/slashdots/sourceforges. but, generals always fight last year's war, and so here we are, "bayesian lesswisdom".
mircea_popescu: it's an item borne of the fundamentally correct observation that speed of integration is the principal predictor of maintenance of statu quo.
mircea_popescu: kinda what this is about, yes ? admirable translation from english into orcland of bureaucratese, so that the overarching goal of esl bureaucracy (integration of worldwide police state at speed that exceeds integration of worldwide world in general) can be supported.
Mocky: less related yes, but I must admit to spending much longer than strictly necessary for this task via continuing to read well past the topic in mind
mircea_popescu: yeah. kinda the problem with any attempt at summarizing logs, there's this long tail of ever less related stuff.
mircea_popescu: i'm more curious whether you had seen them. doesn't necessarily have to be any larger than it is.
a111: Logged on 2016-03-12 00:38 mircea_popescu: why not read the documentation ?
a111: Logged on 2015-05-01 17:16 mircea_popescu: the path from the current FOSS, roughly approximating a spunk-crusted sock floating in a pringles can half full with week old urine
mircea_popescu: Mocky, for the completeness list, http://btcbase.org/log/2012-08-21#-307780 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-28#1114017 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-01#1117963 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-21#1246852 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-12#1430987 ; though these are more for the flavour and color than all that central.
mod6: or, bump it down in the middle maybe: 5% @ 10, 10% @ 25, 15% @ 40, 20% >= 50 (something like that)
a111: Logged on 2018-05-21 22:47 ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform: a sales incentive scheme proposal: we kick back 5% of revenue to affiliates who've recruited up to 10 paying customers, 10% up to 25 paying customers, 15% to 50 customers and then 20% for recruiting over 50 customers, which'd be a tidy .03 btc/mo, way better than any other "while you sleep" scheme out there.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816417 << This sounds good to me, although, perhaps maybe consider the 'over 50'. As by this, one would not be very motivated to pass 51.
ben_vulpes: yeah, that's in the double checking routine
trinque tosses that one in the org file
trinque: it's not as though the invoice numbers change, just check !!received-invoices first, but sure
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/fireflies-and-other-things/ << Trilema - Fireflies and other things.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 18:30 asciilifeform: ( folx-on-the-periphery-of-l1 : might be a good use of coupla hrs to dredge the logs for 'why ada' material that could point n00bz to, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682480 )
mircea_popescu: anyway, the item is fulla all sorts of references, subversions, wordplay etcetera. "ana are mere" is a locus in ro vernacular even today, for instance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, o ya. authentic item.
asciilifeform: http://manualul.info/Abecedar_82/Abecedar_82.pdf << subj. ( compl. with the 'un vis' )
asciilifeform: bahaha complete with anthem and tov. c in front covers!
asciilifeform: meanwhile, for incorrigible rotakus strictly, http://manualul.info ( found, naturally, while digging for the orig kindergarten src of http://trilema.com/2018/printul )
lobbes: getting there..
lobbes: in other news, lobbesnode1 just passed block height 300000!
ben_vulpes: lobbes: shared shell alone, i haven't examined the implications of this scheme for rockchips yet
ben_vulpes: this incentivizes the hunt for long term customers
ben_vulpes: and yes, of the affiliate's recruited set, not of all customers.
ben_vulpes: lobbes: for so long as a customer is paying pizarro is the intention
lobbes: ben_vulpes: Here's my initial q's: 1) Is that in perpetuity? 2) I assume this is a percentage of the revenue of the set of the customers the sales person recruits and not of the entire set of customers?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-21 22:47 ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform: a sales incentive scheme proposal: we kick back 5% of revenue to affiliates who've recruited up to 10 paying customers, 10% up to 25 paying customers, 15% to 50 customers and then 20% for recruiting over 50 customers, which'd be a tidy .03 btc/mo, way better than any other "while you sleep" scheme out there.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816404 << believe or not, i dun actually have a en<->de .txt . ( the arch-bestseller , v. k. mueller's en<->ru , is errywhere, e.g. http://www.alleng.ru/d/engl/engl150.htm )
mircea_popescu: aand in today's aphorisms, "Licking the power socket will never kill the licking of power sockets, even though it may kill all lickers of power sockets."
ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform: a sales incentive scheme proposal: we kick back 5% of revenue to affiliates who've recruited up to 10 paying customers, 10% up to 25 paying customers, 15% to 50 customers and then 20% for recruiting over 50 customers, which'd be a tidy .03 btc/mo, way better than any other "while you sleep" scheme out there.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-21 21:41 phf: some of the unicode indiancandy was spitting cl-unicode doesn't have names for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767678
a111: Logged on 2018-05-21 19:23 asciilifeform: 'AmRRON Dark Labs, a type of Skunk Works for the Patriot community, has built a machine...' blah
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816371 << good thing they came up with all this on their own hehe.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-21 16:55 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815927 << i'll take a look, i had further comments about diana_coman's original spec and the responses, but does this new spec replaces the other one entirely?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816354 << yes ; outside i guess of context from the old that may help inform the reader as to the new.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816338 << possibly do a composite, "time program was called"+gensym. that'll resolve the conflict.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-21 11:40 spyked: the __attribute__((gnu_inline)) attr is of course very stupid through its lack of portability, but as per https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Inline.html , it seems that the wrecking to this compiling/linking behaviour of inline was done pretty early on (C90).
a111: Logged on 2018-05-21 00:01 asciilifeform: by ~that~ measure it was dead 3+y ago , when it turned to openly infecting the stored tarballs
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i await a transaction to clear through deedbot, then i shall settle your invoices
lobbesbot: ben_vulpes: Sent 22 hours and 13 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> is there a problem with the invoice ? ( aside from the fact that i forgot the 36 usd fee , in it ) ? how come i'm still waiting ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it doesn't make sense to put delicate items acquired with much suffering like BingoBoingo's cedula immediately into the statists hopper (localbitcoins demands "an ID" to post ads), when one can pick from the sale offers and operate on the side of the transaction where id is not asked for
mircea_popescu: there's two important advantages of reasoned decisionmaking. first and foremost it gathers your people around you, this is what loyalty is made of, at its best. secondly and more importantly it permits history, which is to say humanity.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-17 14:40 mircea_popescu: what is behind comments like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814037, "I moved more recently than this fellow and I'll get my id after he does" ? "I don't, properly speaking, think bb is a person, at least not in the same sense / to the same degree I am" ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 05:12 mircea_popescu: document, that's the right move. "here's an amazon page link, https://www.amazon.com/Libre-Computer-ROC-RK3328-CC-Renegade-Ethernet/dp/B078RMQYHS and here's some other provider https://www.loverpi.com/products/libre-computer-board-roc-rk3328-cc on which basis I'm guessing we should get the boards at around 4k total ; here's why i think the chassis costs so much ; here's why alf's delivery run need not include only 1k in airfa
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 17:09 ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-17#357608 << since discarded notion of posting an ad on localbitcoins; but there are plenty of offers to pick from in the ~2.5-3% markup range.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-21 21:41 phf: some of the unicode indiancandy was spitting cl-unicode doesn't have names for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767678
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 18:57 mircea_popescu: unicode is the solution!
phf: some of the unicode indiancandy was spitting cl-unicode doesn't have names for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767678
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 20:29 asciilifeform: in other oldies, seiko's 'DPU414' thermal printer, can be had for <fiddybux, and not only prints 80cols x infinity (continuous tape) but knows how to eat rs232 and... print hexdump (up to 19200 baud)
asciilifeform: another funny bit is that i described, in the l0gz, the simple scheme for ~identical gadget, on several occasions.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'AmRRON Dark Labs, a type of Skunk Works for the Patriot community, has built a machine...' blah << LOL, FBI-otron in the wild!
asciilifeform: 'AmRRON Dark Labs, a type of Skunk Works for the Patriot community, has built a machine...' blah
asciilifeform: from comments, mar. 28, 2018 'I purchased one and am very happy with it. While I too have the dice, it is so time consuming, and this is so much quicker and simple. I have had no issues with the unit and plan on purchasing another.'
asciilifeform: somewhat to asciilifeform's surprise, the schematic is on the ( lulzy in 9000 ways ) linked www ; and even seems to use FG-like johnson noise source
spyked: I'm pretty sure that happens with functions qualified as static. but the inline qualifier might cause the compiler to eliminate those definitions.
spyked: ah. my intuition was that static inline might increase the size by leaving unused definitions in every .o file generated from the respective .c that imported the header.
phf: spyked: you kind of have a choice between #define equivalent inline, which is going to be actual inline and increase the binary size, or else i don't think it really matters. supposedly the annotation makes the calls "faster", but the notion of faster is very vague. i suspect it's essentially an equivalent of "register" keyword: things are maybe sometimes reshuffled to make things maybe sometimes faster
BingoBoingo: And we have another holiday. Battle of Las Piedras day.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-21 16:34 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816308 << is there any need for that alternative? from my research static inline is one of the few behavioral commonalities between c99 and pre-c99. it also supposedly works across different compilers, etc.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816325 <-- it's not needed, at least not in the case of vtools. it may have been worth it if it had reduced binary size, but from my experiment it makes no difference. gcc seems to remove the definitions of static-inlined functions (after inlining them), but I don't really know if it does that in general.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815927 << i'll take a look, i had further comments about diana_coman's original spec and the responses, but does this new spec replaces the other one entirely?
phf: ccl has a fancy system, based on hacked up gcc, for generating ffi mappings (called interfaces), which you then can use with (use-interface-dir :foo) (#_foobar ...)
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/05/another-set-of-undocumented-default-static-user-credentials-spotted-in-cisco-gear/ << Qntra - Another Set Of "Undocumented Default Static User Credentials" Spotted In Cisco Gear
esthlos: gotta run for a bit, thanks for the info phf
esthlos: may just have to get dirty with the ffi
phf: sbcl has both own ffi, and there's also SB-UNIX:SB-MKSTEMP
phf: cffi is compatibility layer to native ffis (a rather dodgy one too)
phf: true, i'd still just go for an ffi to mkstemp. you're dealing with a unix substrate, might as well use unix tooling. otherwise you have to juggle file-probe, create-directory, but restart if there's exception, etc.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-28 19:32 asciilifeform: funnily enuff, if working rng were standard on pc, 128bits from it would give unique-gensym ( the supposed problem , according to the gcc nitwits, with mktemp , is collision ) without O(N) searching ( as in mkstemp) with probability ~1
phf: asciilifeform: that's not going to work cross-invocations though. gensym is incremental across the instance, so same invocations should produce roughly same gensym numbers
esthlos: anyone have a good idea for generating unique identifiers for v's gpg keyring name? I just spent a painful hour debugging because CL's #'get-universal-time is only precise to the second
a111: Logged on 2018-05-21 11:35 spyked: in other oddities: http://archive.is/9haFQ <-- potential alternative to http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_fixes_static_tohex#L8 (also see: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-01#1786600 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-29#1790868 and others). ftr, it didn't do much for me. or, to be more precise:
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816308 << is there any need for that alternative? from my research static inline is one of the few behavioral commonalities between c99 and pre-c99. it also supposedly works across different compilers, etc.
trinque: doing just fine. watching the rain come down.
spyked: it might also in a way be interesting to report how I stumbled upon this: I tried to recompile gnupg-1.4.10 on my broken debian system and got the same "multiple definition" linking errors as in vtools' case (though I *did* use gcc<5). so I dug and found the usual kochs "fixing" things to compile gnupg on newer gccs.
spyked: the __attribute__((gnu_inline)) attr is of course very stupid through its lack of portability, but as per https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Inline.html , it seems that the wrecking to this compiling/linking behaviour of inline was done pretty early on (C90).
spyked: 1. pressed latest vtools; 2. changed all "static inline" to "extern inline __attribute__((gnu_inline))" in http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_fixes_static_tohex#L5 ; 3. compiled; 4. diffed the symbols in the generated vdiff against the unmodified version => no changes, xnmalloc et al. are not included in the final binary.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-29 10:22 spyked: phf's ld might add an "static" to "inline"; or not, not sure; can verify by objdump'ing vdiff and seeing if there appear multiple (with local linkage) definitions of xnmalloc in the same file.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-01 13:52 spyked: anyway, comment was that I managed to compile and run vdiff with small mods; error: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BiBTI/?raw=true and fix patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9mOiz/?raw=true (tested this with the generated vdiff); I can try to link this reply later in a comment to test.
spyked: in other oddities: http://archive.is/9haFQ <-- potential alternative to http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_fixes_static_tohex#L8 (also see: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-01#1786600 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-29#1790868 and others). ftr, it didn't do much for me. or, to be more precise:
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the tanks are nearing bottom.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell ben_vulpes is there a problem with the invoice ? ( aside from the fact that i forgot the 36 usd fee , in it ) ? how come i'm still waiting ?
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/20/how-do-you-want-to-be-memorialized/#comment-115095
asciilifeform: by ~that~ measure it was dead 3+y ago , when it turned to openly infecting the stored tarballs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i honestly can't say what not dead is this ; it's off the web, it's off the web. "oh but it shows up on ipnoje". sooo ?
mircea_popescu: hey, i got good news for you : a) BingoBoingo escaped to uruguay on the strength of pizarro ; and diana_coman started her s.mg career as an effectual player.
Mocky: being a Habeeb has been hell, since 9/11. I quit flying cuz of the "special pat down" treatment. I guess TSA loves that name tho, lol
mircea_popescu: why the hell not ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 19:49 mircea_popescu: ~technically~ pizarro is blocked (rather, protected) from the need to act by, indeed as pointed out, i having rented it in my own name. "for him" or not, pizarro's not held to care. but this was a palliative in place specifically because i expected something in this vein, the fellow is very phenomena-driven, sorta like the brains of frogs only work when there's ligjht bombarding the retinas and thereby powering the rest of th
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816251 << classic example of the 'frog brain' ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816160 ) . i.e. as if we have no hands and could not use search engine, and it had to wait for him.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:50 BingoBoingo: If I recall it was MP that rented the rockchip for douchebag.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sadly not dead; merely ( and along with growing list of assorted usg.derps ) blocks the bot
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:52 mod6: diana_coman: i simply mean, mircea_popescu rented the thing for the guy. 'tis all.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-03 18:30 asciilifeform: i suppose if adlai or karpeles or whoever wants to put on a mask and pretend to be a eulora-playing tits chix for years, there's no real damage
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:50 mod6: This is overall dubious then. If someone scams me, and I neg-rate them, but their mircea_popescu's person in question, then what?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816097 << the reason this exists is because you have no way around the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1808200 ; guy could just register a new name, get a rating from anyone willing to, and there you go.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816090 << depends the rule for what. but no, generally the fact that you're dearly beloved by the baker doesn't "cancel out" your raping the plumber's daugther.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:42 BingoBoingo: I assume she was hit while wandering aimlessly in traffic as the zombies tend to do here
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816079 << i expect. you should see these idiots, biking with no lights, dressed in camuflage gear (srsly dorky, black shit because white's too hard to wash, still see no reason you shouldn't be out at night ?) on the side of the fucking highway. what, problem ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 12:02 spyked: lobbes, I am curious: how do you have lobbesbot self-voice then? do you do it manually?
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815918 << It actually never occured to me to use the "many OTPs stored for later use" trick that trinque mentioned, which is pretty spiffy indeed (I may start doing just this). But to answer your question: lobbesbot's only involvement in my archive process is to listen to irc and insert urls it comes across into a sqlite3 db. That database is then 'shipped off' to separ
mod6: douchebag: A few finer points on the matter. 1] p.bvulpes.com pastes are archived (thanks lobbes!), which help for future trips through old logs. 2] Not everyone who can help is always on a machine with a gui capable of viewing images.
mod6: To be fair on that point, I would have asked him for approx the same information.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816065 << normally i'd have said "don't use fucking screencaps wtf is wrong with you", but in this case i doubt a proper paste could have risen to the required heights of lul.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:30 mod6: and further, not even sure why you need a domain. (unless for some reason wp-mp doesn't work without one)
mircea_popescu: i had nfi they made a .press tld ; i expect they made it for the "journalism", but of course that being dead and presses being a thing...
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:28 trinque: wasn't that about the same guy?
mircea_popescu: mod6, tons of annoying grep-captured scripts out there to handle the nothing found case.
mircea_popescu: (i don't mean, "i can't read headings, help me out" ; i mean : for the present headings, are these all the vulns known ? by ~whom~ (ie, what source used) ?)
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:20 trinque: mod6: since his remedy involves access to a place to post the report, I'll give it until the end of the day, which is ample time to get a blog up and a post (even incomplete, so what) up.
mod6: on that note, am I the only one that didn't know that grep returns (technically) an error if something doens't match your pattern?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck headshat that one!
mod6: You've read the docs & use my vtron enough to know this!
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:17 trinque: because dick-pulling comes before the republic. immature bullshit to be weeded out.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816006 << i'm not even sure he has a clear distinction between the two ; and amusingly enough that difference, whether present, it's not even a fundamental. it only emerges from context.
mod6: Sure, BingoBoingo. Just a solid test case against the rule formulated earlier. That's all this is.
BingoBoingo: Anyways there is a difference between a "-1 inquire within" and a "-10 social death sentence"
mircea_popescu: mod6, "i got friends... they're multiplyin'... an' i'm loooosin'... control!"
mircea_popescu: whether you can lean on people to chainge their ratings is iffier, and very much depends on your relationship. but the logs are full of this also.
mircea_popescu: and you most definitely ~can~ ask anyone about their rating. the whole fucking thing is built on nothing besides this, http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/#selection-131.113-131.167
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:15 mod6: There is no contract here. I don't want to ask anyone about their ratings. Perhaps I shouldn't have asked what I asked there above.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:13 esthlos: to butt in: should only patches with good seals show in the flow?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815997 << that's the whole point ; ~however~ the thinking is that the user should be warned (and pressing should stop) if there are invalid signatures in his .seals dir, ~because~ it is not expected he'd have put them there, so something needs humnan eyes.
mircea_popescu: and boy howdy, does anyone on earth, including its subinept management, derive more fucking value from the fetlife holding pens than yours truly.
mircea_popescu: here's a direct sample in this vein : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4xtpc/?raw=true . for most children, the first experience with negative reinforcement comes through their attempt to manipulate the processes around to avoid negative reinforcement.
hanbot: <mod6> hanbot: how are you currently pressing mpwp, what tools should douchebag use for this? << pressed with http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ (only those patches on the left branch of http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=vtools&search= ).
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/20/how-do-you-want-to-be-memorialized/ << Bingo Blog - How Do You Want To Be Memorialized?
mircea_popescu: in other words : providing someone being punished for weaselbehaviour with a specified mechanism to weasel further helps them by removing the ~defining~ of the weaselbehaviour from their hands, which is the first step towards becoming sane already.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:04 trinque: mod6: if I tell you, I'm giving someone I'm already punishing for weaselbehavior a defined mechanism to weasel further
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815984 << hence the "only part missing is installing mpwp" solution, which in itself is lulzy. BUT, the sad fact of the matter is, trinque , that the beginnings of education and the refusal of education are strictly indistinguishable. let's leave this be and consider the case of girly in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815550 : if i were to reject her on the basis of her initial advances
hanbot: yeah. in short, i'm not averse to trying, and now and then do dive in the soup to see. i pretty much emerge with piss variously lodged in my eyesockets and zero pearls.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah, thanks for the quick responses here.
mircea_popescu: but if you're looking for actionable practicalia, you could do something like, "well, we'll consider the matter whenever it becomes salient. such as when someone complains ; or when issuing invoices. we just won't invoice people with neg ratings, and they can sort it out."
a111: Logged on 2018-04-19 01:36 mircea_popescu: ascii_lander, it's not a firm "no trading with bozos" ; seems to me you appreciate the distinction between selling an item and selling hosting in other contexts. people that are willing to take your cash payment upfront for a piece of hard candy might nevertheless not agree to rent you their garage.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:03 trinque: I think "nobody does business with any L1-negrated party" is a bit strict. folks need to be able to beat someone over the head with disapproval without removing their ability to take part in society by having done so.
hanbot: http://thewhet.net/2018/04/panama-makes-me-ill/ << and then there's the sort of "bitcoin embassy" denizens i imagine abounding, whose ideas of security/tech whatever boil down to "we've got these here tshirts, herp"
scriba: Logged on 2016-10-24: [16:27:02] <mircea_popescu> these and other tips and tricks brought to you by red hat entreprise security department.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-24 19:19 hanbot: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161024/#103 << i was actually gonna check out some "linux chix" meeting at the local red hat hole when i noticed 'pre-registration with documento' was required, you know, for 'security'.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815751 << sure, in theory. in practice i imagine heaps of e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-24#1558640 and "we can't/won't communicate off our phnojesy app du jour", but it's not impossible some folks go hoping to be rescued eh.
mircea_popescu: ~technically~ pizarro is blocked (rather, protected) from the need to act by, indeed as pointed out, i having rented it in my own name. "for him" or not, pizarro's not held to care. but this was a palliative in place specifically because i expected something in this vein, the fellow is very phenomena-driven, sorta like the brains of frogs only work when there's ligjht bombarding the retinas and thereby powering the rest of th
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:01 trinque: if you press me on terms I'll remove the -1, you risk creating a mommyprocess anyone with a negrate can appeal to.
mircea_popescu: while i can appreciate http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815977 ; it seems unavoidable that in fact peri-rating negotiations will be a fact of life ; only weren't historically because historically the importance of ratings was relatively small (even if ever growing).
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:01 mod6: mircea_popescu: how should Pizarro handle this, in your opinion, given the last conversation about this?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 16:44 trinque: and yes, your approach is inadequate. gotta read all the logs since your last visit.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815950 << if he doesn't actually aim to lordship, i suppose he could get away with reading his highlighs and their context only.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815945 << i actually get the comments rss feed as pms from deedbot, so i never miss any. tip top feature.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 16:08 esthlos: now for your comments: getting rid of the defpackage was a bad oversight, no real reason. My guess why gpg is failing is because I'm using 2.2.4 while I think most of you guys use 1.x . Moving to 1.x is on my backlog, but it was deprioritized becasue I didn't want to spend the time converting my keys. Another oversight, I suppose
mod6: let's take the rockchip discussion into #pizarro
mod6: is it specifically about the rockchip? or v?
douchebag: would anyone mind chatting with me via PM so I don't shit up the logs asking questions about how to get everything on this gentoo box sorted? I have minimal expereince working with gentoo so I have quite a few questions
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815938 << depends what you do, but not generally ~needed~, even though obviously the faster you move the faster oyu move. but -- the highlight name point is sound.
mod6: well, not always based on flow, but it might be, depending on the operation, otherwise the map is used to traverse, sometimes.
mod6: for instance, my thing basically checks all people in the current wot, then verifies the seals based upon the current wot, then build a map, from which I build a flow. then all operations take place fro mthat.
mod6: Do that, then try again.
mod6: Did you ever set the system time?
mod6: WoT is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans.
mod6: douchebag: you just happen to be the first one. That's all, could have been anyone.
mod6: He'll let us know, which is fine. But overall, it's best to try to get a clear understanding of how to handle these now.
douchebag: But right now I'm setting up nginx + php + mysql on the bbox
mod6: I agree, which why, if you read above, I'm posing the question to our customer, mircea_popescu.
mod6: So, what we're saying then is, if someone rents a box for someone else, and that someone else gets neg-rated, then it's up to the renter to figure it out? What if the renter says, "hey fuck what pizarro and its customers think". Does Pizarro not have a say in it's own customer usage then?
lobbes: mod6: ah okay. logline you originally posted was phrased as a question, but reading further I see now that it resolves to the 'negrate from -any one- lord disqualifies': http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1808202
BingoBoingo: <mod6> diana_coman: i simply mean, mircea_popescu rented the thing for the guy. 'tis all. << MP rented the thing because the guy can't
BingoBoingo: If you have been disenfranchised, the case is that yes, you have to have others do thing for you because you can't (MP in the case of leasing the rockchip douchebag uses)
diana_coman: well yes, but first and foremost: what does it meant then "it's X's person"?
mod6: Pizarro shall follow the rule and remove access to that scammer. Simple as that.
diana_coman: what does otherwise "it's mircea_popescu's person" mean?
diana_coman: then you go and talk to mircea_popescu , yes
mod6: This is overall dubious then. If someone scams me, and I neg-rate them, but their mircea_popescu's person in question, then what?
BingoBoingo: If I recall it was MP that rented the rockchip for douchebag.