douchebag: 50+ though, what's the average?
mircea_popescu: funny thing, this dude, who had more sex than ~anyone in california (50+ rapes, srsly ? 1 in 1000 males or less do 50 different girls over their lifetime) nevertheless had a small penis.
mircea_popescu: im not sure that's the driver, but anyway.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is one possible way to fill empty souls; and it beats , in re habitability of locale, the other stable state.
mircea_popescu: horribly mismanaged, but work, they love.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i see that even here. these people LOVE to work.\
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they've thrown money at the 'we still have holdout from whom we don't have samples, how to use cousins' problem.
asciilifeform: then even moar perverse.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform not so long ago read a treatise on psychology of india, by a 1880s british preacher. was interesting document, but in particular author is astonished re the dedication to work, and to the utterly meaningless drudgery, of the lowest castes. probably phf saw this even in modern india, when he went. and asciilifeform to some degree saw among some emigres in usa. douchebag you ain't from india, perchance ?
mircea_popescu: "What would i do then ?!" fuck me, i dunno, break down and cry, really ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you picture, for the sake of argument, that anyone already knew, so was no further need of writing trilema.
asciilifeform: douchebag: picture, for the sake of argument, that they ~actually fixed~. what'll you do then ?
douchebag: I'd also like to publish writeups about my research and be recognized as someone who actually knows what the hell they're doing.
douchebag: I just want to have a job that I can enjoy doing. The reason I don't enjoy my current job is because it doesn't require any critical thinking, and in fact is discourages it. I would have a great time hacking companies and telling them how to fix their security.
asciilifeform: point being, the fact that d00d thinks that they can be meaningfully fulfilled , as a palpable, achievable thing, ~as usg jobsworth~, is astonishing, to me.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/that-aint-the-maslow-pyramid-yo/#selection-611.0-665.0 << orig.
asciilifeform: no i know what the physiological urges are.
mircea_popescu: he means a job that 1. provides him with the physical necessities (physical dominance) and 2. with time-security (ie, not that he's fed now but that he can feed himself, permanently) and 3. with recognition (ie, that nubile women notice he got 1 and 2 and flock to him).
asciilifeform: ain't nobody about to pay a whore to self-fulfill, other than by happenstance.
mircea_popescu: what they call "fulfilling job" is "item satisfying layers 1-3 on mp's restatement of maslow pyramid"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816938 << wait until he discovers that the customers dun want quality, and other problems with the democratic world.
asciilifeform: in practice there is such a thing as 'enuff coin to never work for a living again', and granted it comes with caveats , like for instance not being part of the snail of the bellcurve . but nevertheless it exists.
mircea_popescu: but in point of fact the sort of freedom you buy is sold to you by clinton.
mircea_popescu: there's all sorts of pulp/sf in this vein, "buying memories", whatever.
mircea_popescu: the "buy freedom" thing is an unrelated consideration. no one has to my knowledge yet manage to bottle freedom ; so necessarily those pursuing it in the walmart shelvery are deluding themselves.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, this applies to a few thousands ; 250k takes you into top bracket anyway.
mircea_popescu: due to how the imperial tax regime works, a gift of a few %s of your current income may end up a net negative if it bumps your bracket, so you have the choice of either paying 15% of 100% or else 22% of 106%, the latter is worse even if 106% is more.
asciilifeform: after the tax people get done with you, you'll ~owe~
asciilifeform: douchebag: i hold that it is impossible to sell exploits, and the NO ONE does it. what they do instead, is accept gifts of chocolate and flowers (aka 100s of k usd ) from usg agents, in exchange for keeping nsa vulns off the public forum for a few extra bonus months.
douchebag: asciilifeform: Well, if you're a vulnerability broker you're purchasing and selling exploits that have extremely high potential impact. I think it's safe to assume there's a high level of risk associated with holding
mircea_popescu: as it happens, mostly as a function of personal bias, ~everyone here with the exception of me assings value to engineering and no value to whoring. i tend to assign a value of about to cents to either, allowing for roundings.
mircea_popescu: neither this decision, nor the definitions of the terms involved, work as a matter of future projection. it's all in the past, the singer processes past experience one way, the engineer another way. that's all there is to it.
mircea_popescu: douchebag, look, sooner or later you'll have to decide if you wish to be an engineer or a singer. it's one or the other, however you call them, the carpenter-or-whore dilemma.
douchebag: Now with that said, I think it would be a very interesting career being a vulnerability broker - however there are a lot more risks in terms of nations state attacks for that sort of stuff.
mircea_popescu: they lack the initiative to do anything about it and the means to do anything without the initiative and so on. chain of foibles.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ceausescu is on the record with "they sell us todays' tech at tomorrow's prices, but what can you do". persians bought what could be bought. not like anyone sells them useful stuff.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, the anon-e-mouse thing is a reference to a cartoon serioes by alan moore.
asciilifeform: douchebag: perhaps poor example, because the poor idjit persians signed up for it, by buying siemens and running winblowz. but it is illustration of the point of MINIMAL bar for 'matters'
asciilifeform: douchebag: what to you means 'owned' ? script kiddie on forum defaces crapple.com ? because this simply isn't interesting, to anyone here. the ONLY type of 'owned' worth caring about, is , e.g., natanz uranium centrifuge, destroyed by usg without firing a shot.
douchebag: mircea_popescu: I've seen very few cases of a company being pwned by a prng being broken, I see companies getting pwned via SQLi, RCE, XXE, IDOR all the time
mircea_popescu: douchebag, 99% of criminals hacking companies are working for a criminal organisation calling itself "the united states govewrnment", and 99% of the time their hacks include some rng-breaking component,.
douchebag: mircea_popescu: It's not a commonly used attack by criminals working to hack companies to steal information. It's not difficult for nations state actors, however a criminal is not going to work breaking a prng when they can just use default credentials to pwn their network
mircea_popescu: hey, his link was knee deep in "ethical considerations" and other pompous wank, dun talk to me, talk to the mentally splitten zeks, who steal from criminals but bend over for bureaucrats, discuss ethical minutia of imaginary situations and then work with doubletap usg, etc.
asciilifeform: chikatillo is every bit the godfearing loyal soldier of regime, as a street mugger is.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, in either case the determination is tather premature. what's the rush. if he's a boy he has time by definition.
douchebag: asciilifeform: Well, when you take risk appetite into consideration - attacks involving breaking prng's are rather rare and diffucult to achieve
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'serial killer' is a saint, to the police state, supplies neverending flow of serfs eager to bend over and get arse searched, 'for security'
asciilifeform: douchebag: if they 'cared about security', they'd have , for instance, FUCKGOATS ( whether purchased from snsa, or built 'independently', take your pick. ) do they ??
diana_coman: douchebag, from here it really looks like your end goal is really "that the world finally finds my hobby extremely useful and terribly important to the point that it ALSO becomes very meaningful"
mircea_popescu: point in case, there are OVER A DOZEN serial killers active in california right now ; and nobody can be arsed to even know this.
douchebag: Well actually, I've found there are a lot of companies who actually do care about security. Primarily because they run bug bounty programs instead of sueing the fuck about anyone who points out their security flaws.
mircea_popescu: n the 60s small cities stopped prosecutting petty theft. by now -- everything but murder is entirely opaque, and even murder is not actually researched in any seriousness.
mircea_popescu: w enforcement is ever more a vacuous activity, consisting of a narrow few items. "found drugs in house / car" "found '''child pornography''' on computer / guy was holding a gun in the bank" etc. all that's still ongoing are tyhe "taskforces", driven by specific special interest groups, the "drugs", the "sex trafficking", the "money laundering" etc. in the 70s large cities stopped prosecuting breaking and entering, much like i
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 22:24 ben_vulpes: unrelated, "She had initially hesitated to work on criminal cases because she was unsure of legal and ethical issues, especially if people uploading their DNA to GEDmatch were unaware police were trawling through the database." https://archive.is/6zrLD#selection-1651.70-1651.284
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816908 << i'll point something out, in the vein of the previous "tripartite idiocy" discussion : law enforcement consists of very minimal work, and even less useful work these days. you know those century-old complicated "murder investigations", with barry fitzgerald going "tis a heavy case" and so on ? NONE of that still exist ; the line-ups to pick up suspects are mostly gone, etcetera. la
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 06:31 mircea_popescu: aite, here : "does ubervu have a chance of ever being profitable ? absolutely never. there's complicated considerations involved, but principally determinant two : first, and absolutely unsurmountable, is that such products do not add any value, but are merely used in the way witches use crystal balls. exactly in the way. therefore, the more popular witches decide the brand of "best" crystal balls
asciilifeform: douchebag: absolutely NO usd-paying customers of the 'security industry' give HALF A SHIT about actual results. if you do not get this through your thick skull now, you can learn it on own skin later, it doesn't make much diff to asciilifeform , which one you choose.
asciilifeform: ( it isn't any seekrit that asciilifeform is , among other things, a burned-out veteran of 'b' , yrs past )
douchebag: I would be doing a more comprehensive audit, as well as telling them exactly what they need to do to actually be secure their company - even though my service would require more work for them it would be a betterend result for them
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far it doesn't look to me like he's at risk of http://qntra.net/2018/05/us-kangaroo-court-issues-conviction-for-kidnapped-antivirus-operator/ , instead he's at risk of a) running 'the next mandiant' , and making 'million dollars', and thinking as result that he has something to do with 'security' or that the million is 'actual money' or, far more likely, b ) ending in sad , tall pile of hollywood-waitress-style bo
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816901 << understand, most of the "tasks" you'll get here, and for a long while, are principally useful to you, in that they get you to fix things about yourself, such as the foregoing.
mircea_popescu: douchebag, it doesn't pay for companies to actually care about their security, because of the principal-agent problem and the easy exit "nobody could have predicted" offers.
douchebag: Primarily because they would know upfront, this isn't just an audit to help them pass compliance tests
asciilifeform: ( i'll immediately admit that i am not familiar with the story )
mircea_popescu: % of the gross or no deal. hollywood is notorious for cooking books.
douchebag: diana_coman: I'd imagine that only companies who actually care about their security would purchase my services
mircea_popescu: OF THE GROSS.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, for all the world if the above doesn't scream "boy" at you (instead of dwarf, I don't know what else can)
mircea_popescu: douchebag, the risk is, of course, that you end up the next http://qntra.net/2018/05/us-kangaroo-court-issues-conviction-for-kidnapped-antivirus-operator/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, let me give you a little puzzler here. so, stanley wojtowicz, the guy that robbed a brooklyn bank to pay for lizzie eden's sex change operation but failed to produce any money this way, nevertheless got paid when sidney lumet made his film. he was paid, 1% of the net. what's wrong with this ?
asciilifeform: douchebag: 'security business' in the form in which it exists today, is strictly religious/ritual arm of usg church; legitimate security business consists solely and strictly in the systematic disassembly of usg; and once disassembled properly, it will exist no longer.
diana_coman: douchebag, does it matter in your books who are the customers?
mircea_popescu: strategic advice reserved for more senior roles, or do they simply not like any permanent fixes ?
douchebag: Because that wouldn't be good for business, all they let me do is install security software and configure it for customers
douchebag: asciilifeform: Well, the security firm I currently work for doesn't allow me to give customers actual advice on security. eg. "Hey maybe running windows server 2003 isn't a good idea for your company"
asciilifeform: douchebag: do you understand the difference ?
asciilifeform: or yet another usg appendage ?
asciilifeform: douchebag: the world's first ACTUAL security firm ?
diana_coman: well, you can offer them already, what sort of goal is this
asciilifeform: douchebag: and the 'fool's gold', usd, will buy only miami, for so long as there's any miami left, and there's long queue of people ahead of you.
asciilifeform: douchebag: for so long as you understand that you become a usg electro-echafaudage expert, and your fortune will rise and fall with usg's -- like patent lawyer's -- then why not, do it
douchebag: also asciilifeform, for the type of job I would like to have web application exploitation, network attacks, and social engineering attacks are the main things I need to focus on
asciilifeform: plankton moves with the current, what.
ben_vulpes: "But the positive feedback since the Golden State Killer case convinced her to make the plunge."
ben_vulpes: yes but the "unsure if i should do this until people cheered for me" bit was lulzy
ben_vulpes: unrelated, "She had initially hesitated to work on criminal cases because she was unsure of legal and ethical issues, especially if people uploading their DNA to GEDmatch were unaware police were trawling through the database." https://archive.is/6zrLD#selection-1651.70-1651.284
douchebag: asciilifeform: When it comes to web application exploitation - I'm a pro and it's rather profitible
asciilifeform: so far, shows dangerous symptoms of the latter
asciilifeform: nobody was born knowing these. or carpentry. or anything else but sucking tit
asciilifeform: douchebag: you did ~only~ the minimal interpretation of what was asked. like a schoolboy. instead of, e.g., annotating this list with 'is this an actual vuln in actual physical trb'
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-09 23:29 ben_vulpes: ACTION curious to see if the guy leaves off at 'osint' copypasta
asciilifeform: douchebag: that's precisely the problem !
douchebag: asciilifeform: Keep in mind, this is not the type of auditing I usually do.
asciilifeform: nao granted this might technically satisfy in re what douchebag promised to trinque ( lessee if the latter -- agrees 0
douchebag: I was only asked to find exploits for the dependencies being used
mircea_popescu: douchebag, now go through your wot, ask the people with -s to please take them off, see what they want from you to do so.
asciilifeform: camelfuckers seems to aspire to become fat, lazy newyorkers, wanting strictly what the snail of the bellcurve always wants; rather than screws with exotic threads.
asciilifeform: ( 'money' begins, roughly, at the freight liner level , as in http://trilema.com/2018/on-namespaces/#selection-237.0-243.73 )
mircea_popescu: point remains -- stores in vhs america hold "anything you could possibly want". that is the exact statement ; and it is a fundamental requirement. no longe satisfied -- no longer to the camelfuckers go native in your newyorklondonzurich
asciilifeform: i suppose for people with money, the equation differs, but i am not , never was, and never expect to be such a thing, and cannot comment authoritatively.
mircea_popescu: so there you go. it's not a matter of "if".
asciilifeform: ... or when they do, 1000% markup ( recall the thread about the lids on FUCKGOATS analogue board ? )
mircea_popescu: but then again, as you discover ~no store holds anything interesting anyway, as seen in recent logs...
mircea_popescu: also, "convenience" as in store etc, is not supportable in kingdom, monarchy only item. which is why you want to buy parts and your 1600 counterpart had them hand-made by expert he maintained relatiosnhip with (ie, house and so on)
mircea_popescu: so there shall not long exist the sort of things one expects of "Working socialist reich". consider -- it is infinitely easier now to find a girlfriend (in medieval parlance whore) than a houseworker (in medieval parlance, maid). by a factor of at least 100.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that the value of normie "work", ie, what normie can do, was >0 from age of sail to end of industrialization, mid 1800s. whereas since orwell it's not been the case./
mircea_popescu: what the normies salivate at has ~no bearing to anything.
mircea_popescu: athens-miami was here 2500 years ago, and will be here 2500 years from now.
asciilifeform: it's a stable strategy, like the lantern fish.
mircea_popescu: it's possible they're trying some kind of monetarism, "if dried crickets we put in china aquarium can no longer be traded for bitcoin, on account of how poor us aquarium is kept the price of bitcoin will drop we can buy cheaper". or whatever inane monetarism.
asciilifeform: ( granted, hope probably is 'not sold at all, and the Party will eventually take it' )
asciilifeform: trinque: if pekin actually shuttered the exchanges, this is dumbest possible move, nao chinese coin will be sold in new york for usd and put in usg bank to steal.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, sadly, the whatever else is mostly "books". because the only fucking altgernative is writing simple books about simple databases for http://trilema.com/2016/there-has-not-yet-been-seen-a-simple-thing-even-if-were-drowning-in-simple-people/
mircea_popescu: in the end, the aquarium feeder and the aquarium fauna have more in common than they'd like to admit necessarily.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 20:32 mircea_popescu: hey Mocky , how do you like the power of logs and blogs leveraged to make incredibly fine points incredibly well ? this'd be why http://trilema.com/2010/cartile-au-murit/
asciilifeform: from both euro-american and chinese lizard pov, world without bitcoin is best, but second-best is world where it is exactly like plutonium, plebe who somehow finds some has no choice but to bury in the deepest hole he can dig and forget that it happened
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 21:12 asciilifeform: from this it'd follow that the coin is now in some idcard-carrying vermin's safe, and guarded by http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-10#1158785 , and potentially stable situation ~forever, like with nuke warehouse.
asciilifeform: trinque: they want it , but strictly to safely sequester in bunker, per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816751 .
asciilifeform: 1st publicly-visible case of d00d pissing on the usg's anti-bitcoin ( yes, before bitcoin ) electric fence.
a111: Logged on 2014-07-18 20:19 princessnell: they can't identify a maestro for a mendicant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM21gPmkDpI
mircea_popescu: so far that's even the reason empire crossed the threshold into oblivion ( i'm too lazy to dig up ye olde trilema where i say "state may exist for as long as it so closely mimmicks my will i can't discern it's there, and not one second past that" ) and now must be destroyed. had it had the sense (rather, the capacity) to maintain both forms, i'd nwever have even noticed it, and it could have continued to exist therefore.
trinque: looks like they very much want some, and don't want it leaking
mircea_popescu: nobody's proposing deductive solutions. the only observation is that trying to build one-legged walkers will result in grief.
mircea_popescu: if man is intelligent, will engage in "difference and variety", scientific ( http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/ ) generative process : how to make another item not at all like the first, except where it utterly has to.
mircea_popescu: if man is a dullard, man will engage in "high headcount", female generative process : how to make ANOTHER item JUST LIKE THE FIRST.
mircea_popescu: the system picks up item, proclaims it is a "painting", and gives man something for it.
mircea_popescu: consider the illustrative case of art. so a man gets an itch, and as a result of this itch in due time comes an item.
asciilifeform: they did at least Officially feign surprise that 'it's just 1 d00d', so i can picture it.
mircea_popescu: so the first is a "low n high headcount" and the 2nd is a "high n high headcount", but the first byte is insignificant, "low", "high", maybe 17 is a very large amt of phone number, who's to say.
mircea_popescu: "all integers up to n" is not much affected by size of n, because the generative rule still is, "up to" "n".
mircea_popescu: the difference between {1,2} and {1,2,3,4,5,6,7...,190999} is not substantial -- yes one's larger than the other, but the first can be enlarged and it'll keep structure.
asciilifeform: ( 2? if we count the stoolie )
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suspect we might be the only ones to have ~ever~ produced an item that doesn't specifically benefit from headcount as such.
mircea_popescu: "transform through culture -- as long as the fundamentals don't change". or, in caragiale's words, century+ ago, "Din două una, dați-mi voie: ori să se revizuiască, primesc! dar să nu se schimbe nimica; ori să nu se revizuiască, primesc! dar atunci să se schimbe pe ici pe colo, și anume în punctele... esențiale... Din această dilemă nu puteți ieși... Am zis! "
asciilifeform: they'll sometimes hunt and skin 'low headcount' items , like the 2 latvian idjits, if they see something valuable to steal
a111: Logged on 2017-12-22 17:18 weevlos: trinque: we are a media publication. our power and capital comes from the number of visitors we have to the site. we aim to transform through culture. if normal people cannot visit our site we are not accomplishing our goal
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, notice that the "headcount is the only criterion" is baked very deeply in their cvasi-brains. which is why the recent lulz with dns and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756992
asciilifeform: 'errybody MUST want to associate with the back-twothirds snail of the bellcurve! it's written in the biblokoran' or sumthing
mircea_popescu: i suspect you're profiled as "crotchety old man with no social skills" because "technical expertise must have this fatal flaw" as per the cinematic rolodex of fatal flaws.
ben_vulpes: ohoh thescourge
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: something plague, or gangrene-themed nick, i fughet
asciilifeform: their 3ring notebook has just a handful of formulae, and they apply, religiously, each one, forever.
asciilifeform: and that's just the 1 that comes to mind.
asciilifeform: i still recall one of the provocateurs who showed up here, who was genuinely puzzled why asciilifeform did not take interest in his 'private' invitations to join 'militia'
mircea_popescu: that's how democratic state stays stable : a) integrating the world but also b) desintegrating the zek mind.
mircea_popescu: nah. just the ~integrated~ ones. see ? the moment they integrate their courage, they a) lose some portions of it and b) become indeed very dangerous.
asciilifeform: rather than plot for 20 yrs to club a guard and steal rifle and etc.
asciilifeform: system would prefer that the ballsy folx march into machinegun fire asap, yes.
mircea_popescu: and this is the problem. system relies on them being both insanely brave, past any degree of human bravery, and ALSO insanely poltroonish, below what one sees even in 6yos.
asciilifeform: had nice touch where he gets into it through seekrit passage in the adjacent train station ( i go to that train station quite often, and it was an extra lulzgem )
mircea_popescu: bravery, see ? he who dares take gang hookers on a whim, can in principle dare to go steal the nuke keys.
mircea_popescu: this is ~all they see, and therefore they believe it. hey, if you're as cute as a button and don't bow to patriarchy, you can just walk with a hunk of gold from fort knox.
mircea_popescu: ever seen http://trilema.com/2011/bound/ ? two lezbos steal from the mob. and ~they get away with it~.
mircea_popescu: and, this is the kicker, ~gets away with it~.
asciilifeform: they can steal it any number of times, but they have no ideological drive to ~keep~ it, so it ends up in the usg safe next to the aes weak key formula and the nuke src. all over again.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, they'll just go in and fucking steal it.
mircea_popescu: this partition is where the light comes in.
mircea_popescu: see, this is to my eyes the principal vulnerability of the whole charade. always it is the case with tripartite stable systems you get a sewing together somewhewre, and so is here. the zeks must, at the same time, be brave enough to steal from pighead and ALSO cowardly enough they'll eagerly participate in samokritika sessions.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how do the fearless zeks play in ?
mircea_popescu: except, of course, of how fearless the zeks are.
a111: Logged on 2015-06-10 03:40 asciilifeform: 'watchman may not know what is behind the door he is guarding; if he knew - would steal it himself' (tm) (r) (sov army)
asciilifeform: from this it'd follow that the coin is now in some idcard-carrying vermin's safe, and guarded by http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-10#1158785 , and potentially stable situation ~forever, like with nuke warehouse.
mircea_popescu: and i imagine they're in the deepest hole the reich has, not because of "guilt" but because they're radioactive, can train others.
mircea_popescu: this is not so, the first thieves usg sent actually went bitcoin native.
asciilifeform: granted in theory ~eventually~ it will settle into some ground state, perhaps in mircea_popescu's pocket , but this doesn't fix the problem of fiatola interface, necessarily.
asciilifeform: in re 'silk road' food chain, the coin can in fact be stolen from usg agents, in turn by usg.thieves, in turn by usg agents again, in turn by miami-dreaming latvians, and again by usg, and so forth, infinitely many times. none of these get visibly 'corrupted' , they continue to dream of miami afaik.
asciilifeform: but otherwise yes
mircea_popescu: classical london, the model the us briefly seemed to manage immitating, was the place where all sorts of orcs (such as you know, lenin) went into "exile", because unlike their originating goatfuckistan, london did not give a shit about "politics" and "ideologies". because it had a better one.
mircea_popescu: this ~actually happened~, which is why all sorts of ideological products centered on flower-power (mostly made by kids who were 12ish during woodstock and not admitted, so they got bitter and dreamed up their woodstock in heavens) contain more or less exact, direct depictions.
mircea_popescu: sure. yet, for illustration : suppose camelfucker (as esltard imagines it) were sent to bomb vhs-america (as orc imagines it). the result ? after weeks of silence, "hey man, why do you want to harm these ppl, they're cool. i put in my greencard application and found a local gf, don't call her a whore she just likes to give head in bathrooms, it's all good"
asciilifeform: the mega-problem is, that it remains to be seen... whether bitcoin actually works. ( consider, in principle, errybody, from the dc folx, to the cheese sellers at the sunday market, ought to be cutting one another's throats for a chance to get some of that sweet coin sent their way. BUT in actuality, they do not! why not ? )
mircea_popescu: this is how the republic corrupts, in that once it's on the table, every man is now compelled to make a choice, and the other choice is incompatible with intelligence.
mircea_popescu: no. not the certain point. every day, every agent opf the empire is confronted with the http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine/#selection-967.295-971.2 problem. it is why they send people to steal the bitcoin from that "silkworm" tard, then sent more people to steal it from the people they sent to steal if and ended up stealing it ~for thems
asciilifeform: ( i.e. at certain point, all of the working brains in the enemy camp, 'sell out to bitcoin', and what remains is buncha weirdos shouting orders impotently like the old man ceausescu )
mircea_popescu: well, do you then see how this is the only available blade of "fiat corrupts" for the empire ? dull and small as it is, it's their mangy goat, one and only.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, do you understand how the "bitcoin corrupts" portion of republican ideology works ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 20:05 mircea_popescu: ie, even if the bank welcomed it (which it doesn't because they're trying to do business not participate in la revolucion), you couldn't in good conscience condone a process that constantly results in you processing stolen money. cuz you're not in that fucking business, and if you'd rather be then go work for the ny families or something.
asciilifeform: now that we reviewed the usg-plankton-thieves triangle , possibly mircea_popescu grasps why asciilifeform disagrees with the moral angle of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816611 : yes , it is problem to accept 'dirty' fiatola, but not from ethical angle, but because we don't have the tank divisions and orbital thermonuke droppers to properly counter a fully-rousted enemy anthill, yet
mircea_popescu: ("but mp, you don't do drugs ; what's more, you despise the junkie lifestyle -- shouldn't you despise burroughs ?!" "riight, because i'm you and http://trilema.com/2016/give-computers-the-vote-theyre-cheaper-than-women-even/#selection-373.681-373.811 applies to me, narf.")
mircea_popescu: now, he didn't figure out that his notion of "right wingers" exactly maps to "clinton democrats", but otherwise, the problems of integration still drive the democratic world.
mircea_popescu: transparently, the reason the old man even did the film, and what they tgold him to be in it etc, is because he wanted to put the following phrase out there where i could reach it : "that in a few years, the right wingers will use the narcotics pretext to create an international police state".
mircea_popescu recently re-watched http://trilema.com/2011/drugstore-cowboy/ ; it is notable because pretty much the last extant footage of w s burroughs.
asciilifeform: ( observe, abramovich remains in his miami, london, despite (supposedly) upcoming dekulakization. because life 'unthinkable' otherwise. )
asciilifeform: to a man, they never 'checked out mentally' from usg reich, they still dream, in the end somehow, of miami.
mircea_popescu: moreover it's remarkable how well the averages are attracted. for anyone with functional analysis practice the underlying equality is evident.
asciilifeform: this also calls to mind the several previous threads re 'why do carders/smugglers/etc still use paypalade and convert bitcoin to usd whenever they get any' etc.
asciilifeform: i must agree, because if the system is disequilibriated somewhere, it is to small enuff amount that i cannot see , with naked eye, where.
mircea_popescu: which is why their per-sweadrop returns vary and are so precisely alligned.
mircea_popescu: and the cost ~to the system~ (because no, NOBODY who speaks english as a primary language PRODUCES anything, nor has, nor will while this lasts) of either kind is very finely equal
asciilifeform: well yes, they play the role of lions and rhinos in a kind of safari park for usg 'threeletters'
mircea_popescu: just, "you can either get three food pellets a day and here's the cage bars, or else two and a half food pellets and we use the special invisible bars for your cage. same cost to us, what's your preference ?"
mircea_popescu: except... not made as free man either.
asciilifeform: the 'i'd rather make 50k as a free man in sunlight, even if running from police, than 500k under fluorescent lights writing usg reports'
mircea_popescu: "change you can believe in", let alone whether anything changes or not.
asciilifeform: so no, there is not a 'same money', it absolutely is not 'same money' if it has to be earned in a cube and wearing an id badge '9 to 5'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's complicated, for them; all of the examples i've witnessed up close, were simply running from cube hell, and absolutely did not give half a shit at what, exact , cost; and i can't really blame;em
asciilifeform: as for the zooplankton, i have yet to meet one who appears to grasp the implications of no-carding world ( 'and when my money's gone, it's gone, and i can't borrow moar, time to sell daughters ?! holyfuq' ) but watch their faces when shown bitcoin, where this is the order of things
mircea_popescu: except the people involved aren't good at math, in the sense of compartimentalizing things in their heads.
mircea_popescu: because tghat's the other angle of it : the "enchanted world of carding" is carefully engineered so it works as about 92% of the return-per-work that "legit" drudgery works out to .
asciilifeform: this applies to all 3 points in the triangle. i do not know whether the cc thieves and dope peddlers understand that without usg's maintenance of the upside-down world, they would work just as hard and for just as little, as used tyre sellers and train station pickpockets. ( i suspect that the smarter ones -- do ; but nfi )
mircea_popescu: the http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/#selection-119.0-119.99 is as much a part of the shitworld they built for themselves as is "herp derp your words can never touch me"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, except the modbug inept restatement of the foregoing attempts to enact his sponsor as some kind of aloof superior. whereas in reality it very much isn't, all parties are exactly equal, in their idiocy.
mircea_popescu: exactly a restatement of http://trilema.com/2018/the-retards-handshake/#selection-151.0-187.20
asciilifeform: this was implicit in the 'anarchotyranny' label, which i stole from somebody or other (moldbug?) where it was described how a predator-prey equilibrium is carefully maintained by usg
mircea_popescu: anyway. what ambitious girly with http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-133.251-133.334 delusions as to "how the world works" meant by "socialism has ruined my country" was, "This nazi Maduro dared make venezuela uninhabitable for stupid cunts like me!!!! CALL MOMMY!!!". nothing else.
asciilifeform: the 'they hire somebody to make proper rsa card', it's a 'fried ice' hypothetical, tho. because the cc 'fraud' is a required element of maintaining the konsoomer 'purchasing' circulation the system needs in order to live.
mircea_popescu: hey Mocky , how do you like the power of logs and blogs leveraged to make incredibly fine points incredibly well ? this'd be why http://trilema.com/2010/cartile-au-murit/
mircea_popescu: and ~this~, this and only this, is why i said and i've been saying that only burning the whole thing down is a feasible approach. because of this.
mircea_popescu: all three parties are captive in the system! the devils can't fix, because the mirvniki won't let them and the vory permit them to not fix ; the mirvniki won't fix because the vory won't let them and the devils permit them to not fix. and the vory won't fix because... the devils won't let them and the mirvniki permit them to not fix.
mircea_popescu: by which they mean fo course, "this doesn't take us closer to http://trilema.com/2018/democracy-sucks-the-two-thousand-four-hundred-and-change-years-old-version/ but further away from it, so we'll drag our feet as much as possibru).
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, to return to your theory : if government somehow decided to hire you to make them a proper card and implemented your design, the other end of the retard empire, "the people themselves" (aka, http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/#selection-97.245-97.262 ) woul;d not use it because (and this is a direct quote) "it's too much pressure".
asciilifeform: this case is quite typical tho, the reich prosecutes 'death ray plots' while allah happily snackbars ~biweekly in londonabad/al-paris/etc , not much new there
mircea_popescu: if what maduro is running there is socialism i'm a woman.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, except they DO KNOW he exists. recently present retard dared say http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-18#1815400 as a proxy for "fuck maduro", rather than being there, naked on hands and knees, begging to be allowed into the system. as per http://trilema.com/2016/mochila-o-muerte/#selection-57.0-56.1 and http://trilema.com/2017/in-scams-today-disk-less-terminal-sa-dba-laesquinadelamazmorra/#selection-167.0-175.137 an
asciilifeform: asciilifeform suspects that, according to even 'well-read' plankton , mircea_popescu obviously cannot exist , as the last mircea_popescu was ghaddafi and the latter got bayonet up his starfish, erryoneknows
mircea_popescu: their apparently shared expecation is that they can sit in a bar at a table together and drink the same beer.
mircea_popescu: yes, but think! think! rodrigo bonzalez the javascript expert of a shitty apt with not even a working lock in madrid perceived pighead the hard timer as... ALSO!!!! a javascript expert.
a111: Logged on 2015-05-04 13:42 mircea_popescu: and the monkey is going "fuck you bitch" quite literally at the experimenter, whom it (wrongly) perceives as a monkey of the same age and sex.
mircea_popescu: socialism has created a broken world. which takes us right back to the rock'n'roll / soviet state thing from yest : the 1988 problem ~wasn't~ aesthetic. it was that the "responses" provided by "the system" were strictly speaking http://trilema.com/2018/printul/#selection-39.91-39.107
asciilifeform: i suspect that the reality of the matter , in re the above , is beyond the squirrel brains of the gurlz, they are not equipped to process it and reject as ufology
asciilifeform doesn't pretend to have a tight grip on the problem, relying as he does on 'astronomical' observations through a thick fog of crapola
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is the tripartite system : fearless peons (except will sign any confession if asked by hitler) - indolent thieves - clueless bureaucrats.
asciilifeform: there is also the variant where they knew the # , but not yet settled in agreement on precisely how to cook the books
mircea_popescu: don't you expect the lowest most basic requirement of any issuance to be able to produce count(issued) ?
asciilifeform: why should they count pigs? i suppose the thought was, let washington/nato count'em, they bought'em
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, if this guy meets your definition of "budget model" then i am at a loss for words. how would the putative mob set the hiring standards higher ?
mircea_popescu: and the devils, well, they don't fucking know which side their head faces. i mean, nevermind the "oh, we're the legal system of cluelessness". dja realise i personally humiliated the european union delegation at bucharest (calling tiself "romanian government" for 0 rerasons) because ~they did not know how many heads of pigs lived on the land at given date~ ?