ben_vulpes: curious about how tractable, workable, and useful setting user-level memory limits on the shared hosting is.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: check my understanding of a thing please: if apache runs its own php pool, then user-level cgroups won't affect how much ram apache eats while serving a user's php, right?
mircea_popescu: not really ; i mostly keep up with the girls.
ben_vulpes: Mocky: why's that ada article not on the homepage of yer blog?
mod6: I gotta catch some zzz's, but I'll talk to you all in the AM. Night!
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-23 03:16 mircea_popescu: "so what's wrong with following social convention ? it has its uses, such as you know, the rote possibility of meaning in language" "sure. there's nothing wrong with following social convention. but there's plenty wrong with attempting to enforce it on unwilling participants. maybe they have good reasons they're not following it ~in that case~."
ben_vulpes: dooooon't care, just stoppit. spend more time watching and listening and learning the cultural norms and if you're going to deliberately not follow them then i'm interested in your good reason per http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-23#361418
ben_vulpes: which i can't even fathom dude because wtf you're willing to clutter up the logs with line after line of key noise and then otoh...screenshots
ben_vulpes: douchebag: yeah i'll drop the neg but you gotta work on picking up how shit works around here. the list of annoying crap you do is unenumerable but the two things that drive me personally up a wall are eg http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-23#361197 and then also posting screenshots of text
ben_vulpes: i read the logs, saw your ping.
douchebag: ben_vulpes: Is there anything I can do to resolve my negrate?
mircea_popescu: should prolly change the topic to "if you'd like to help see $X, if you'd like to sleep you're fucked."
mircea_popescu: except of course novels are "jim opened the door" not "fuck you and here's 5 centuries' worth of accumulated reference in an endless maze HAAHHA"
ben_vulpes: well he wasn't pimping, they were chained
mircea_popescu: for instance : given "he wondered why the girlies walked to the station and didn't shoot the redditard" the implicit read is "(he wondered why (the girlies (walked to the station) and (didn't shoot the redditard)))" not "(he wondered why (the girlies walked to the station) and (didn't shoot the redditard))"
mircea_popescu: ok, but how are the "rescued" hos figure into this ? why'd they shoot the random dweeb trying to convert them from honest workers into dependopopotami ?
asciilifeform: i think he's bringing up the fella who failed to shoot aha
mircea_popescu: being shaved a half penny by dishonest riding broker is not anywhere in "will arbitrage work or not work" risk table either ; but so help me i'llfucking shoot the one that tries.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 11:26 mircea_popescu: every fixing day (arbitrary day of week we choose), tmsr.isp lists the TOTAL it has to pay, and makes a bitcoin/usd offer. it can be arbitrarily anything, but in practice it'll be the output of !~ticker --market all Volume-weighted last average: bit (which is fucking ridiculous already, we're tracking bitfinex who the fuck came up with this) or else whatever rate whatever exchange the isp uses.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: fertile ground tho, no telling where the conversation might go.
asciilifeform: while i agree in re 'penny saved is penny earned', wr and wu fee diff does not rank 1st, or even 20th, in the expenses table
trinque: the reluctance to have cash in pocket might abate with proper human lodgings
mircea_popescu: surety based on the fact that i now and again send girlies around the world various $nothings.
mircea_popescu: i'm pretty sure there's a bunch of wu/store credit cards for bitcoin outfits that actually work
mircea_popescu: you asked them ?!
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: objected to walking two grand usd over the the dc; shit was busy at the time and i didn't press.
ben_vulpes: no clawbacks on the wu
mircea_popescu: i'd guess a 5k ish wire is actually an "optimal" in the sense of "lowest worth actually wiring" amt.
asciilifeform: prices are published, how else, esp if selling, as we evidently must ( tho i muchly wish it werent so ) to heathendom
ben_vulpes: yes they are possible, and to date have been firing in tandem
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ah i see whjat you mean now, i thought you meant you hate the idea hitler can see pizarro-set price and ride.
ben_vulpes: now now, i dislike the extra wire fees and coordination overhead trinque .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun like that it's tied to goxes, not the fact that it's public
mircea_popescu: i thought that was the wu
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, you wire to the dc acct neh ?
mircea_popescu: buit sure, you can limit the visibility to arbitrary set, say l1, and ask thjem to nda, if you must.
ben_vulpes: iirc the stumbling block to a single transaction is that we want to avoid pushing BingoBoingo's local account over the minimum tax line. with i think the local equiv. of an llc BingoBoingo can receive money and it won't count as his income until it hits his account.
mircea_popescu: " hitler gets to set the exch rate"
mircea_popescu: you understand, there's a list of impossible economic objects, yes ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, there is no possibility of secret pricing.
ben_vulpes: needs a wire and a WU-gram; and speaking of, BingoBoingo anything to report on the .uy corp formation front?
ben_vulpes: trinque: it's about 5kusd/mo, will go up somewhat in the near future
asciilifeform: but otoh the time for stalin's ruble peg prolly hasnt come quite yet.
asciilifeform: it irritates asciilifeform that hitler gets to set the exch rate, by way of goxes, and ride the waves
mircea_popescu: though i'm guessing pizarro might actually prefer monthly rather than weekly fixings
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 11:26 mircea_popescu: every fixing day (arbitrary day of week we choose), tmsr.isp lists the TOTAL it has to pay, and makes a bitcoin/usd offer. it can be arbitrarily anything, but in practice it'll be the output of !~ticker --market all Volume-weighted last average: bit (which is fucking ridiculous already, we're tracking bitfinex who the fuck came up with this) or else whatever rate whatever exchange the isp uses.
mircea_popescu: (and incidentally, a process for price formation was actually proposed, back in the pre-pizarro tmsr isp days : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1738849 )
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i might as well put it in the open : if anyone in the l1 / my wot is trying to buy bitcoin but has trouble doing so, i'll sell you a few as a courtesy so we don't find ourselves in this situation where clerical difficulties enact a division in the republic.
asciilifeform: trinque: i suspect that this is the only viable pill
trinque: one option would be to formalize the process and present it to the wot; surely there's a few grand of buying per month on rotation at the very least
esthlos: gotta hit the sack for now, vtron tomorrow
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to be fair , pizarro dun necessarily need usd-flavour printolade, comceivably other flavours would suffice
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should say "i have no proof free market in btc exists as i've not given much of a shit re usd thence", but really now, how often needs the dough be proofed ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the ~only time i was specifically interested, ie, when the question of defeating argentina's whore in the election was on the table, i personally moved macroscopic piles of dough for the purpose, with little difficulty.
esthlos: trinque: that's rather interesting. anyway, I'm sure you see the dilemma: everyone "successful" around me sees no fundamental problem with usg system, and when you say "this spec is atrocious; have you ever heard of the CLHS?" or any infinite variation on that theme, the only response is incredulity. but what, somehow I have the magic sauce and everyone around me is wrong? this is my current resistance to trilema thought
asciilifeform: they dun roll, at all.
asciilifeform: i don't demand the frictionless wheel, mircea_popescu . but currently all of the 'wheels' aint even round.
trinque: esthlos: doesn't seem to me that the compartmentalization is anything other than a skill. only why be sad about it
asciilifeform: afaik each and every one of these, is guilty of selectively cancelling orders when exch rate swings wrong way
mircea_popescu: this "trade without physical existence" strikes me to come out of the same pot as "extrasensory events". really, ghost can interact with matter now ? how, prythee ?!
mircea_popescu: anyway, i struggle to conceptualize what it is you want here, in a way that'd take it out of storytelling and into reality. there's outfits selling gold for btc -- but they have to send it somewhere. iirc one even permits you to pick it up... but ummm... HOW are they to know "you" are picking it up ? and so on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was speaking of usg-style kyc, with 'scans', 'where is the money from', clawbacks.
asciilifeform: for so long as we're actually smaller than the goxes collectively
trinque: aaa that's it! too bad search hasn't eaten the linked items yet
asciilifeform: but then anyone can come and work heat engine against usl
asciilifeform: it bothers me that i can't even picture what a successful cut away of goxism would look like.
mircea_popescu: me either. prices are finnicky, and price formation without actual economic activity a pipe dream in all cases.
asciilifeform: the elementary one: 1) no kyc, in any form 2) wot uber alles 3) no usg price-fiddling influence
mircea_popescu: anyway, what exactly is the standard you're following here ?
mircea_popescu: i haven't been following so closely. iirc they at some point wanted i dun recall what paperwork, i sneered and turned off the light.
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may, many moons ago i eg sold some coins on an outfit davout worked for at the time ; they showed up in bank as advertised, closed at price as advertised etc.
trinque: esthlos: I was looking for the thread where mircea_popescu mentions minds leaning schizoid or paranoid
asciilifeform: on top of this, i haven't, i suspect, the table stakes.
asciilifeform: if there is an actual free market in btc, i've never seen it, smelled it, heard it.
mircea_popescu: i am not aware of a market in which large packets are advertised. the best kept secret of any brokerage, say, is when large packets are bought or sold.
trinque: so where'd you want them to buy again?
esthlos: to be clear, model A is standard USG model, where I most clearly see the fraud in the tech (if you recal, my original draw here was lispm, after I read history and saw current state of retardation), and model B is trilema, as I'm beginning to understand it
asciilifeform: the lack of closed model suggests that large fiatola holders prefer to buy coin on the sly or not at all. which makes sense in light of cowardice.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, you know, can sell these chunks at auction, like usg pretends to have done. or w/e.
mircea_popescu: they're not expensive to set up.
esthlos: that I'm encountering two incommeasurable pictures of reality, and instead of solidly believing one, I try to straddle the gap. but this fails and always leaves me babbling incoherently
mircea_popescu: if, eg, i had found of bitcoin in 2015 as opposed to 2011, i might have conceivably bought a card concession like the debit store cards things, and simply offered it to the world until i had bought enough
asciilifeform: if the system has a usd intake.
asciilifeform: and given as there is no serious market to reliably sell btc for printola...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps naive model, in asciilifeform's head, but it would seem to me that in order for it to exist, it has to be either massive bag of usd , which eventually runs out, or to include a recirculator, i.e. some way to sell btc and get usd, in the system
mircea_popescu: all sorts of thing "exist" as far as google's web of lies is concerned, and then disintegrate into the usual http://trilema.com/2017/fake-news-are-just-one-tail-of-the-failed-female-state/ at the slightest examination.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, no, it worked the other way, spend bitcoin to get this usd credit. you know, ~debit~ card.
asciilifeform: Mocky: i've never been an alley whore either.
esthlos: presteigous company full of smart people, 100+B USD in assets, and tech is all microshit, aws, scala... what the fuck do I believe
Mocky: gotta ask, has asciilifeform done such disclosure in the past and regrets?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 03:02 mircea_popescu: the only known pill to the mess being a sort of encapsulation, "the worldview from x priors through y structure is z" ; which is why disciplines such as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815636 are even interesting to the thinking man. it's not that "in reading ancient cuneiform i gain a new skill of flour and water mixing into novel bread", but it is that "in managing to regard the world through the eyes of a reconstructed
esthlos: in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817320 , trying to reconcile the sheer fraud of USG technology has driven me to the limits of sanity for a number of years now, and even with trilema providing the only solid counterstructure I've found, I do fragment when very successful (in USGland) people around me see no fundamental problem with USG system
asciilifeform: i for one will take vulns to my grave, rather than 'responsibly' give to microshit for a pot of taxolade.
douchebag: Well I would much rather be paid for finding a vulnerability than go and exploit it and risk going to prison
asciilifeform: taking usg cock for pittances, aint 'business' either
douchebag: Well, not exactly since the vulnerabilities are being patched
asciilifeform: the only responsible, in actuality, disclosure, is one that deals maximal damage to the fucking great satan.
asciilifeform: i.e. became instant magnet for 'carders' from every corner of planet, and burned at the stake.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 20:59 mircea_popescu: well, do you then see how this is the only available blade of "fiat corrupts" for the empire ? dull and small as it is, it's their mangy goat, one and only.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my current understanding is that, to the extent 'bitcoin plastic' had a physically real existence, however brief, it was stung to death by a million http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816727 flies
douchebag: Well I've been paid via bitcoin through hackerone before. Oh and yeah, I don't agree with the code of conduct shit either, but it's whatever. It's worth considering that all of these companies have a dedicated security team patching the vulnerabilities found, triagers are being paid to validate reports, and obviously people who make these reports are being paid.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 03:20 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817305 << and how do you get out of bed in the morning with that assumption ? severe cases of this were documented, in the early days. http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-20#682845 say.
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817334 << how else can I make the probability as low as possible that I'm not missing something crucial?
mircea_popescu: douchebag, in the same vein, "various outfits offer bitcoin plastic" as per recent piece hanbot published.
mircea_popescu: trinque, for instance. or maybe there's a great book awaiting the writing in there ; or a great woman he's not yet met, or nobody knows the future. which is why the "things not to do" list is so fucking short and vague.
trinque: and hey, for all I know there's money to be chumped out of the webturd security racket and into bitcoin, and he's just the man to do it.
trinque had not read the barometer piece, hilarious.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, there's a usg-reservation in mexico. there's however also the headquarters of the only military force to humiliate the usg at home to date, they pretty much conquered the old mexican lands well into arizona.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 02:58 douchebag: However, I'm not sure if that's a fight they will be able to win in the longrun
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817316 << there's also that historically, "decentralized banks" were deemed an evil which people sought protection from.
mircea_popescu: the matter's unresolved.
mircea_popescu: "so what's wrong with following social convention ? it has its uses, such as you know, the rote possibility of meaning in language" "sure. there's nothing wrong with following social convention. but there's plenty wrong with attempting to enforce it on unwilling participants. maybe they have good reasons they're not following it ~in that case~."
mircea_popescu: "the student should just have played along with the http://trilema.com/2014/kink-high/ du jour" "perhaps the student should have, but we're gathered here specifically because we don't."
mircea_popescu: https://www.mrao.cam.ac.uk/~steve/astrophysics/webpages/barometer_story.htm << for the future reader.
mircea_popescu: are you aware btw of that great write-up of the stubborn physics student ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 02:53 trinque: douchebag: what do you make of the notion that the "consumer economy" will not last forever?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817310 << fucking can't have 1600s style "examinations on the doctrine of the faith", chiefly because of goedel's objection. our doctrine is not actually either complete or coherent.
a111: Logged on 2014-05-20 13:40 mircea_popescu: there was a necrodearia/mizerydearia character active 2009-2011ish, the utter epitome of it.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817305 << and how do you get out of bed in the morning with that assumption ? severe cases of this were documented, in the early days. http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-20#682845 say.
douchebag: Here's their /etc/passwd file for anyone interested
douchebag: Just found a local file disclosure vulnerability in the UK National Health Service
mircea_popescu: No more; and by a sleep, to say we end the heart-ache, and the thousand natural shocks that Flesh is heir to? 'Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep. To sleep, perchance to Dream;" trilemma.
mircea_popescu: everyone sooner or later encounters the "To be, or not to be, that is the question: Whether 'tis a) nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or b) to take Arms against a Sea of troubles, and by opposing end them: c) to die, to sleep
mircea_popescu: babylonian for finite and self-chosen arbitrary intervals at a time i relieve the pressure of sheer insanity the complexity of reality would otherwise force upon me".
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 19:11 mircea_popescu: Mocky, so we know you've not spent any considerable time in the field between literary theory and hermeneutics, however you'd call it. "advanced reading".
mircea_popescu: the only known pill to the mess being a sort of encapsulation, "the worldview from x priors through y structure is z" ; which is why disciplines such as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815636 are even interesting to the thinking man. it's not that "in reading ancient cuneiform i gain a new skill of flour and water mixing into novel bread", but it is that "in managing to regard the world through the eyes of a reconstructed
mircea_popescu: how often it can change while the individual remains realised (as opposed to "derealized", as in the psych term of art) is a subjective measure, in the vein of "intelligence", and a much better predictor of future performance than most anything else.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 02:46 trinque sees the complexity, because what, you want the young males to change their mind every time they encounter words they don't understand? of course not.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817296 << that is ~exactly~ the problem. the subjective notion of the self, while factually incorrect, is psychogenic noise emergent from a certain stability of worldview. it is simply ~impossible~, not "undesired" or anything of the sort but strictly speaking impossible for the worldview to change with arbitrary frequency.
douchebag: A decentralized solution such as bitcoin would be great for the world and for the future, however I think it will take some time before it catches on more. As decentralized solutions begin to catch on, the banks that print currency are just going to continue to fight it
douchebag: Well, obviously there's always going to be some sort of economy. As far as central banks go, I think it would be better off without them - however, I'm not sure if central banks are going to disappear any time in the near future.
trinque: central banks printing money so the people of walmart can buy "content", pressed shitboard, plastic, etc
trinque: douchebag: what do you make of the notion that the "consumer economy" will not last forever?
esthlos: I don't have much more to say on the matter
douchebag: trinque: Well that's why I argue, if the other person can prove me wrong I'm more than willing to come to an agreement.
esthlos: douchebag: but think about it, what % of things to you think 20 year old making 35K a year working 60 hrs/week is right about? you're not looking at the evidence
douchebag: trinque: Well, I don't think my over confidence is necessarily a coping mechanism. I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong, however I'm a very strong willed and I'm not afraid to argue if I truly believe that I am in the right.
trinque sees the complexity, because what, you want the young males to change their mind every time they encounter words they don't understand? of course not.
esthlos: will be ready for (another) review tomorrow evening
trinque: the recitation of lines one might use at a tradeshow, etc.
trinque: douchebag: the lack of reflection on what is a coping mechanism in you, and as far as I can tell no reflection whatsoever, that's the deficit
esthlos: I don't want to keep rambling. my point is, I think you're somewhat irrational, and your approach is weak supporting evidence to that, though it's a step in the right direction. hence you're a -1, not a -3
trinque can relate to mustering overabundance of confidence merely to cope with the sea of shit he was born into.
esthlos: right, but that goal only gets you past this barrier, not all the others. imho you'd be better served with a goal of "get better", so that "resolve any issues" is really "what can these people teach me" rather than "how can I make them see my true form of pure energy"
douchebag: In addition to that, I'd like to know what those issues are so they don't occur again
douchebag: Well, ultimately I'm trying to resolve any issues others have with me.
douchebag: Well, is there anything I can do to resolve my negrate?
esthlos: arrogance simply because you're pretty clever compared to the dogshit around you
esthlos: now look, esthlos is not all that much better in some ways, but the attitute you're expressing is exactly what I'm trying to fight off
esthlos: (though it is exactly typical of a young guy in the situation, but you don't want to be like every other bozo, right?) plus, the spam with the whores annoyed me, and cutsey shit like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816061 , and doing the minimum possible to get a job done multiple times
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 00:37 douchebag: ben_vulpes, esthlos, and danielpbarron - is there anything I can do to to repair my reputation? Let me know, and get back to me.
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817173 << well in all honesty, I'm not sure I understand what wot ratings mean, since I don't see where negative ratings fit in to http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/#selection-289.0-297.96 . I rated you -1 because I detect a self-image not fitting a young guy making 35K a year for 60 hrs/week, which ultimately filters down to your ability to think rationally.
asciilifeform: hanbot: i suspect that today's fiatola thread, is pertinent ; the reichsbanks formed a unified front against bitcoin
mircea_popescu: nice. what was that in the end, like 20 woman-hours ?
asciilifeform: ( some items obviously do not fall into any obv class of broken crapola; these have no note. but most simply have no live box at the ip in Framedragger_'s comment, by the time they popped )
asciilifeform: see table in http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factors ? this is how the verdict happens.
asciilifeform: whereas ~all~ humanreadable, within reason, strings that can be physically pulled from the scanned box, oughta be in there.
asciilifeform: ( he put only ip in the comment. )
asciilifeform: to avoid the Framedragger problem
asciilifeform: and douchebag , recall that we want the what/wherefound to be in said commentstring.
asciilifeform: douchebag: it doesnt eat pems. read the log and find how to feed it.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 01:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, would you prefer he web-submits rather than just spitting out a tarball for you ?!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817231 << for a n00b, i'd prefer to see a handful of his samples 1st, rather than e.g. deal with million keys submitted with same or garbled user comment string, say
mircea_popescu: douchebag, they're not correctly formatted.
douchebag: mircea_popescu: When I try to load these keys into phuctor, it just asks if it's a real key
mircea_popescu: for completeness : to my eyes, disinterested as i am re rando impotent sadists, the lulziest bit re chikatilo was that moment when both the defense attorney AND the prosecutor indicted the judge as being fucking clueless.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 00:34 mircea_popescu: there's a numbert of things here. one is, get a settlement with trinque. the second is, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816875.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817165 << I consider the bet squared up. douchebag, proceed honorably eh? if you say you're doing something, do it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, would you prefer he web-submits rather than just spitting out a tarball for you ?!
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 21:57 mircea_popescu: Mocky, sadly, the whatever else is mostly "books". because the only fucking altgernative is writing simple books about simple databases for http://trilema.com/2016/there-has-not-yet-been-seen-a-simple-thing-even-if-were-drowning-in-simple-people/
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816849 to actually answer the original question: I do like, it's quite the education.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 'success stories' are the lure of the usg.wintel lanternfish, and never fail to lead folx to their doom.
mircea_popescu: what's the rush. one step at a time.
asciilifeform: my current intuition is that he is at level of 17 y.o. asciilifeform 's 'want good job'(tm)(r); when he saves up some dough, he will move on to upgrade, 'want to make 'next mandiant''; then will lose it all and become hardened and into bottle.
mircea_popescu: excluding of course items such as described in http://trilema.com/2017/resplenduminous/ ; and other similar ~works of fiction~ dedicated specifically to addressing that problem
mircea_popescu: it's altogether doubtful the history of mankind includes such an item as the "success story".
asciilifeform: ( there are no success stories in the snake oil biz; there are only lottery winners )
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 22:54 mircea_popescu: mind that there's no point in putting a bonus on "not checking notes". that's why they're notes, to be checked. let memory adapt naturally and unconstrained -- when the animal you inhabit has had enough of the motor effort to check up $X, it'll memorize it ; and before--- it checks.
mircea_popescu: guessing is not prerequisite, but ulterior emergent property ; much like in the case of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815809 where memory is not prerequisite but ex post facto emergent result.
asciilifeform: currently i can't decide whether d00d really wants to work on interesting problems, or is content to make cve lists in exchange for infinite supply of ice cream and a cot to sleep on.
mircea_popescu: it's just an engineering like any other -- you build a mental model of what's going on, make predictions and verify them.
mircea_popescu: the point is that you gotta talk to whoever you're talking to, not talk "in general".
mircea_popescu: the one allowance to be made here is that ~not for everyone~. some people -- genuinely content to.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817124 << douchebag , this only seems like 'big bux' to a young fella. and yes you can be a salary man and your salary will go up 4x in 10 yrs; but your living expenses, they will go up 5x. and they will keep going up when salary plateaus, and the rent is still due when you are between slave galleys, and rowing on a galley just fundamentally sucks arse regardless of how many green candy wrappers the
mircea_popescu: and yes it's strictly wrong to think "math has fields", but then again kuhn explains to you why the spurious arbitrary structures are ~needed~.
mircea_popescu: yes the most important point if discussing geometry is how it's exaclty undifferentiable from algebra ; but nobody was helped by this observation in front of the 5th grade math class.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that my grasp of the former, is deficient
a111: Logged on 2015-08-12 19:04 ascii_field: the gold standard for this kind of work is instrumented hardware
mircea_popescu: well... it doesn't have to be that way. you simply must collapse the trees on the basis of the constructed image of the kid's mental structure, not on the basis of the subjective perception of importance.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 23:52 mircea_popescu: t the polar opposite of dealing with kids, you are terrifyingly bad.
douchebag: ben_vulpes, esthlos, and danielpbarron - is there anything I can do to to repair my reputation? Let me know, and get back to me.
mircea_popescu: these will have to be converted into a useful form, but fitting this up can be done during your scan, which will take weeks anyway.
mircea_popescu: and once that is done : connect to every machine on the internet, for ssh ~and https~, and extract all the keys they have, such as the item you listed above, yes, for ssh, and the pubkeys they keep in cert dirs for https.
mircea_popescu: those are more important, we're trying to work to limit the reputational damage you incur by being the word's most improbable mixture of youthful add and solipsistic otaku.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 22:14 mircea_popescu: douchebag, now go through your wot, ask the people with -s to please take them off, see what they want from you to do so.
mircea_popescu: there's a numbert of things here. one is, get a settlement with trinque. the second is, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816875.
douchebag: mircea_popescu: So for the ssh/ssl thing
douchebag: I only got the job I'm working at right now because I need to do something so that I can move
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 03:13 mircea_popescu: tell you what : do trinque's thing ; then do the ssh/ssl thing ; then we can talk about you running this thing exactly like pizarro is run, why the hell not.
mircea_popescu: which is roughly what informed http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1808692 ie the previous pass.
mircea_popescu: the correct approach is to a) build yourself a nest egg and b) start up.
douchebag: Hell, I would even be more willing to get paid less as long as I knew it wasn't going to be the same shit, everyday, with no signs of ever improving
douchebag: I don't work well with these type of people
douchebag: Everyone at this job just works there because they know that it will never require more out of them but to run an installer and configure this specific software for the customer.
douchebag: I'm at the point right now, where I feel like if someone offered me $700/week to do any InfoSec work that I'm qualified to do - I would quit this job and take it in two seconds flat.
douchebag: Well, I've spoken to management about this and they basically told me that they aren't willing to do anything to actually help the customers and just want to sell our service
mircea_popescu: specifically that your expectation that the solution to the " it doesn't require any critical thinking, and in fact is discourages it" problem being "change the job" is about as naive as thinking the solution to "there's no deeper connection" is "change hooker".
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 23:09 douchebag: I just want to have a job that I can enjoy doing. The reason I don't enjoy my current job is because it doesn't require any critical thinking, and in fact is discourages it. I would have a great time hacking companies and telling them how to fix their security.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1817061 << in fact, the problem with this discouragement isn't ~the job~, but the world in which the job exists.
mircea_popescu: ed to be angry." "What, he got over it ?" ( http://trilema.com/2016/hail-cesar/#selection-53.0-52.9 ), which "son" then has to come up with inane bullshit like "look at the birds and the bees -- they're not hunters, nor do their sow or reap, their existence is flatly meaningless, so could you live in the perfect womb of jonah's whale whose name is stupidity" or if you prefer the direct quote, "want to live darkly and richly i
mircea_popescu: and which also illuminates the indictment of xtianity as a fundamentally female worldview, and all the rest of http://trilema.com/2017/and-dont-go-around-upgrading-the-testaments-either/ : by the time they invent a "son" of god so that "You don't follow for a very simple reason : these men are screwballs. God has children ? What, and a dog ? A collie, maybe ? God doesn't have children. He's a bachelor. And very angry!" "He us
mircea_popescu: there being a difference between the hunter that catches some quarry and the bear that catches the same exact quarry : the bear -- is not a hunter. which goes right into the lengthy strand of http://trilema.com/2015/peripateticists-kinda-except-girls-not-boys-bare-cunt-instead-of-toga-and-walking-around-the-house-not-the-garden-but-otherwise-exactly-the-same/#selection-571.0-570.1 spittoon.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 22:41 diana_coman: douchebag, from here it really looks like your end goal is really "that the world finally finds my hobby extremely useful and terribly important to the point that it ALSO becomes very meaningful"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1817082 >> no, actually. most women want to http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-133.57-133.334 ; which is the point of diana_coman 's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816974 comment (not that she's a woman ; but it's not clear to her whether your worldview is womanly in this sense). note importantly that the objection is ~re the source of meaning~, which is a cult
mircea_popescu: t the polar opposite of dealing with kids, you are terrifyingly bad.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the problem with you isdn't that you lack useful experience, but that you lack any apparent clue in how to communicate it effectually. when dealing with people who are both a) unsurprised and b) well structured, they can sometimes, if within the effort cap they're willing to expend, break up the content out of its very unfortunate prison of form. but otherwise, the communication fails to occur, and especially a
asciilifeform: and asciilifeform suffers from the typical delusion of old people , specifically that it is somehow worthwhile to warn young folx away from obvious chumpatron bear trap.
asciilifeform: momentarily revisiting douchebag : 5yrs ago asciilifeform suffered from same fog, thought there was ( or at least could be ) such a thing as 'security company' , or 'make a living finding bugs', etc., even went and opened up a thing, with coupla other d00dz, and we had an actual working piece of tech, BUT no friends in nomenklatura, and -- quite predictably -- it ended with nothing to show but empty pockets and old faded stationary.
mircea_popescu: phf, ~nothing else there.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 20:52 mircea_popescu recently re-watched http://trilema.com/2011/drugstore-cowboy/ ; it is notable because pretty much the last extant footage of w s burroughs.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816718 << hah, i originally watched it for the same reason, and the only thing i even remember is burroughs sitting in the chair, and spitting the "narcotics" prediction in his famous squeaky voice
mircea_popescu: anyway, fwiw, the guy did criminal life correctly. extensive research, and follow-up calls, to selecte & educate the victims of previous rape, strict avoidance of the low-ante trap, there's entirely no flaw in there.
mircea_popescu: there's a school in the modern phrenology that calls itself "physchology" relating high testosterone with aggressive behaviour and larger penii.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't clear that gigantic cocks make the work of serial raping, any easier ( if anyffing -- harder ? )
mircea_popescu: not you dood. this "golden state killer" with the dna evidence.