mircea_popescu: the joy -- undiminished, each time.
mircea_popescu: i'm like an old man enjoying his feudal domains and his alzheimer's, i keep finding the same things over and over again.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, google "doesn't know" http://trilema.com/2015/the-anal-child/ exists ; if you google for anal child all you get is other articles that reference it, and pages like say trilema.com/2015/03 ; but the article itself "dun exist".
douchebag: Nah, I've just had a number of family related issues come up suddenly along with some other factors that would make it difficult for me to travel overseas within the next few months.
douchebag: The best part about making plans is when bullshit comes up and prevents said plans from taking place.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, pompous inanity in a light bore sauce. how ? how does anyone get through their days with these shits ?
mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0gXiA/?raw=true << aaand in other not-news, motherfucker i CANT STAAAAAAND the "woke" ustardian crowd.
phf: asciilifeform: the way it looks x60 is not going to be replaced anytime soon, but it's running freebsd, and i avoid putting unstable stuff on it. i want a linux box for messy hacking though.
phf: asciilifeform: i guessed that might be the case, but i ought to get that carbon operational again anyway.
asciilifeform: phf: aaaactually you can test the snake with the selfsame cbook, plug 1 end into usbc and other into the usb3 jack . in dev mode shell you will get the ttys , and can connect
phf: i picked an x1 carbon from a pile, going to put trinque's cuntoo on it while i'm on the road..
asciilifeform: there was episode where he exposed a (very fuckable) mindreading chix, on account of being the only referee who wasn't fucking her
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu actually buys the 'gurlz spoke on irc' bit
mircea_popescu: i enjoy them inside of doors, when my girls do tricks. but pompous asshole imagining he actually tricks me... heh. noty.
mircea_popescu: takes a little bit of escherian margins, it's true, but the result is quite artisitcally impressive.
mircea_popescu: the greatness of "your picture", this and others, is that most things are "consistent" with them.
asciilifeform: ( recall the illustrious reptilia and his auto )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rather like that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prolly for the same reason as http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html
mircea_popescu: do you understand that all over this planet there's blkjfdl to the right of sldkjldkjf 99.99999% of the time, and almost NEVER the other way around ?
mircea_popescu: things come "natural" to them that blow the anthropologist away. that's what socialization even fucking is.
asciilifeform: tho perhaps even confession won't suffice, sorta how conan doyle believed to the end of his days that houdini was genuinely powerful shaman, rather than stage artist
mircea_popescu: the other one asked for the notes spyked hasn't yet published when and because i told her to, otherwise it'd have stayed private.
mircea_popescu: nikki_ff also never thanked you for the up. not that i told her not to, or to.
asciilifeform: and not 1 of'em asked where the promised coin is, why she's getting a fiver instead of two bitcents ?
mircea_popescu: your theory is that dood opened 71 irc sessions and typed stuff in ; his theory, which i said seems to me persuasive, was that ... well im too lazy to dig it up, he put it in somewhere, something to the effect of giving them an irc link.
asciilifeform: is mircea_popescu's version that he , for some unknown reason all from same handful of ip, actually put them on the chan ..?
asciilifeform: i see it as elementarily more parsimonious , to suppose that d00d ( who in every other visible to us walk of life took the utmost laziest examtaker shortcut ) generated 71 btc addrs , and hired $ 5 camwhores , than the notion that 71 females in total have even touched bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, we're discussing the strings here.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform does not posit that the photos were of anyffing but actual chix )
mircea_popescu: they instead try to "brigade", which is wetware sybilling.
asciilifeform: and naturally he used humans, to generate the photos.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why you imagine sybilling is free. it's not. in point of fact, the "use humans" is so much cheaper, all sybils known to date worked that way.
asciilifeform: ( supposing the prize weren't meanwhile gone )
mircea_popescu: whereas, in reality, parsimony is multiplanar. you seek minimums, yes, but the simplest object is not strictly an existence concern.
mircea_popescu: you seek ontological minimums irrespective of how they stand on the gnoseological potential space.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the operating difference here isn't "whether everything is equally possible" ; but rather "whether everything is equally uninteresting". in point of fact the situation where dood made up all the girls would be more ~interesting~ than the actual reality. that's how your notion of parsimony fails
mircea_popescu: but ~you~ nevertheless met.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu resolved the contradiction tho
asciilifeform habituated to working with heuristics , and generally does not enjoy the luxury of operating as if errything were equally possible
mircea_popescu: traditionally this is signalled by the linguistic token "why not", though none of the bleaters active today understands the meaning of this (or any other token, come to thionkl of it)
asciilifeform: i dun propose it's mechanically litmusable, for all i know the hobo i met who claimed to be ex-general, really was. but 'smart money bets against'.
mircea_popescu: the whole argument was centered on incomputability. you know it's incomputable, therefore you agree the why is weak, therefore that's all.
asciilifeform: ( there could even be somebody somewhere who drinks whore street cognac on mondays and smokes crack on tuesdays. but ditto )
asciilifeform: there might somewhere exist a 'i build emp probe on mondays and read reddit on tuesdays' fella. but i haven't met one yet.
asciilifeform: real planet earth doesn't seem to offer a continuum between 'waste of meat' and 'does worthwhile things' , tho it could theoretically exist somehow . somehow it loox to be a binary.
mircea_popescu: things i can mechanically replicate aren't people, that's the fucking definition, and no other definition could ever stand.
mircea_popescu: "what can you do ?" "umm.... i wasn't prepared to be asked this question." what the fuck is that ? "people" ? in WHAT FUCKING SENSE ?
mircea_popescu: because no, there's no fucking difference. "facebook traffic", aka http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-you-dont-know-or-understand-about-facebook-everything/
mircea_popescu: trilema via webirc and thereby obtain DEGREES OF MAGNITUDE more... whatever it is, than "social media" ever could or ever did or ever would provide.
mircea_popescu: you realise this, yes, it's not just http://trilema.com/2014/askfm-laid-bare-or-whats-half-a-million-uniques-to-you/ or http://trilema.com/2017/the-incidental-humiliation-of-obamas-clean-energy-policies-marc-andreessens-internet-of-farts-and-other-such-comedic-gold-bricks/ nor does it stop there. if we actually wanted to ~replicate~ weev's idea of "success", we could simply take over millions of "private" home routers, load #
mircea_popescu: i also don't think you're going on random luser routers and load webirc to then up youself, disconnect and get aggitated. why not ? "parsimonious" etc.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference, of course, between "why would you" (ie, an in general discussion) and "why would i" which is much more speciffic and narrower. you were asking why-the-former, yes ?
mircea_popescu: so there you go. "why! because i follow the clues offered / the story seems credible enough"
mircea_popescu: but... same parsimonious model is parsimonious in the same way for the same reasons ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm persuaded that yours exist ( mircea_popescu is not in the habit of making ??? up from 0 , and did post his spamatron src and overall methodology )
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's ( imho parsimonious ) model is that not 1 of the camgurlz touched irc , they got 5 $ or whatever for order of 'write these letters on yer tits' and douchebag worked the rest
mircea_popescu: for instance, do you think the deluge of fet girls is me talking to myself ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825804 << lol wasn't that one of the man's own sybilmuppets ?
asciilifeform: witness the 'mysterious' lack of randos logging in and 'hey i heard something about btc, i can build an emp rig!11' etc
phf: asciilifeform: i got a feeling pay for your tits ruined him in a sense that he got micro optimized for hustle (which seems like it was his default mode to begin with). the only time he popped up since was when you proposed a 1btc for H1 crack
diana_coman: phf, well, it brings an existing project to the point from where it can be further changed/developed correctly; with respect to the past it makes now explicit the intended order (which existed anyway but was previously less strictly enforced meaning on branches and when those are brought together only)
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/15/the-most-patriotic-i-have-ever-seen-the-uruguayos/ << Bingo Blog - The Most Patriotic I Have Ever Seen The Uruguayos
mircea_popescu: phf but it can continue thenceforth correctly can it ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-15 13:10 diana_coman: phf, please add the last 2 patches of eucrypt: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/05/03/eucrypt-chapter-13-smg-rng/ and http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/15/eucrypt-manifest-file/
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825631 << updated, but it's a novel way of using manifest though: normally it requires a regrind where manifest is built up as you go, so the press order is enforced through graph. right now your manifest gives a press order, that's not enforced by anything
a111: Logged on 2018-04-08 01:43 douchebag: If I need to print off these flier, if I include the reciept of the printed fliers will you remburse them ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-15 16:40 asciilifeform: they had some ok ones, e.g. http://www.sovunion.info/posters/listovky/view.shtml?200
mircea_popescu: for some reason abram gannibal didn't have to be explained quite to the degree obama had to. i wonder why, and especially curious as to any explanations besides http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729826
mircea_popescu: the ustardian view of females and male sexuality is not a free idiocy. it costs. this is what it costs -- all sex is inhabituation and if you insist on inhabituating boys with anything other than joyous and readily offered female sexual service, as was the norm in europe, you get tentacles and racism and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but had to be kept out of sight of the people sitting in trenches pillboxes etc dreaming about how big alien cock is holding mary sue five feet high in the air while reorganizing her viscerae.
asciilifeform: iirc they had a black corps
mircea_popescu: (now tell me : why weren't blacks permitted in the service ???)
mircea_popescu: anyway, just because the japs' would have cut their own appendix out before permitting such a thing didn't mean the americans weren't vaguely excited and generally happy about the idea some other doods fucking the wives
mircea_popescu: humph. i've been trying for years to recall which the fuck it was.
mircea_popescu: it had a story of a hedghehog on whose birthday all other animals brought gifts
mircea_popescu: there's an ancient german kiddie book i got as a kid, and it is 100% the story of propaganda.
asciilifeform surveyed what remains of shortwave , it's mostly empty, and what remains is largely these derps, 'texas can you hear me' 'this is utah, we can hear you' etc etc
mircea_popescu: this is always the problem with propaganda : ~because~ the propagandist wants, ~therefore~ the propagandist misunderstands.
mircea_popescu: the problem is, the japanese didn't understand that the americans ~would prefer~ someone else fucking their wife while they play with the radio set. hence all the "airman's clubs" of putting house keys on coffee tablew and praying wife ends up with another's.
asciilifeform: there's a crackpot theory that today's usa 'radio hobbyists' descend from usa troops in jp front ( and later korea ) building illicit radio sets to pick up jazz+wife broadcast
mircea_popescu: not as a matter of preference, but as a matter of necessity, "i can't not buy their junk because that'd mean not sitting here"
mircea_popescu: exactly how all propaganda works, neh, they advertise cans to the washing machine while she watches tv instead of cooking.
asciilifeform: 'leaflet war' is pretty dumb, imho, idea; the closest thing to successful tack was jp's, with the radio that played 90+% ameri-jazz and 10% 'your wife is getting waltzed'
mircea_popescu: i suspect that was mostly to annoy the commisars.
asciilifeform: ( speaking here of the 2nd war )
mircea_popescu: lmao they seriously overflew russian villages ?
mircea_popescu: this sort of very cheap and therefore very dumb "courage" is exactly why you can't simply tell idiots to desist, but gotta first crack their heads.
asciilifeform: german leflets made primo toilet paper, according to folx in the know.
mircea_popescu: "their victory is like ukrainian bread, you die waiting" seems an apt turn of phrase.
asciilifeform: ya they all say ~same thing, 'this could have been bomb! bow to $nigerianprince !'
asciilifeform: ( ever see the japanese ones ? )
mircea_popescu: mmm... pretty much all of them ? this is the stuff of the 1100s in other parts of the world.
asciilifeform: unlike which other current eu 'country' ?
mircea_popescu: (pro tip : current "italy" is essentially the western sponsored invasion by the savoyards. about as italian as the mexican government of texas is truly canadian.)
mircea_popescu: anyway. fiume, now in yugoshitia or something like that, was an italian colony that briefly went to war with usg's invented "italy" over this wholly own washington subsidiary not accepting their union.
BingoBoingo: So many pantsuitist comparisons of Jihadi rap to US gangsta rap except... when the prototypical US ganster rappers NWA released "Straight out of compton" compton was majority black. Between then and now the hispanics ethnically cleansed Compton of black people.
mircea_popescu: a really ? how about the raid on vienna ?
mircea_popescu: and speaking of the "twu wuv" bullshit : me opened yesterday http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/22642/pg22642-images.html ; on the very strong recommendation that d'annunzio actually is the dood mussolini copied, so as to give hitler a model of cool ~he~ could in turn copy. it's the original duce (of fiume), and really, the inventor of the whole personal-martial cool in degenerate euros.
asciilifeform: i suspect the brits will replay it soon enuff, holding e.g. Officially Blessed concerts by Officially Tame jihadi singers etc
mircea_popescu: surely happens. most of them post elaborately framed pics and herp derp about tru feelings and other https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX_Uj0un-Ks bs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'sov struggle with rock music' is a massive reservoir of lulz largely even to this day untapped by entomologists. ( they tried something like a conditional surrender )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: does it ever happen that ~nonugly~ nonhambeast demands 'your queen' and cage measurement , or is the linkage unbroken
asciilifeform: was there a form for sending in cock cage measurements ?
mircea_popescu: i'm merely populating the list of answers for the inevitable later "shocked inquiries" of "wut did i do ?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: lmao BingoBoingo! "The five young men have been ordered to inform police every time they release new music," << anyone recall ye olde soviet struggles with "rock music" ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-15 15:00 asciilifeform: this is the approach where a die shot, even under optical microscope, would be of some conceivable use ( make slightly less blunt/blind target )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-15 14:52 asciilifeform: once i get another coupla cr50 boards , will try above method with a small twist ( spoiler : chinese pulse welder as the current source! new!111 original!11 )
mircea_popescu: the english vowels are /æ/ /ɑ/ /ɒ/ /ɑː/ /ɔ/ /ɔː/ /ɪ/ /e/ /ɛ/ /ʌ/ /ʊ/ and that's fucking IT.
mircea_popescu: it's /mɒ`təʊ/, to not leave it in mystery. for one fucking thing, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS /ō/ in english. nor, for that matter, ä.
asciilifeform: if 'owns' were sufficient, the 'newtons' would not have succumbed, neh. evidently gotta also maintain the sharpened pikes in plain view
mircea_popescu: someone asked gorgo once, "how come we all have to sit on pikes as long as the car ?" and gorgo once answered : Επειδή γαμώ την ράτσα σου
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 15:42 mircea_popescu: it's gonna be such an open season of old woman head on pike soon enough. "but what did i do ?!" "you were someone's mom in the 90s/00s weren;'t you ?" "yes i was!" "fuck you, bitch."
asciilifeform: somehow today there's 0 newtons but whole buncha useless bootblacks tho
mircea_popescu: this is an encounter like between newton and his servant who didn't want to clean boots. newton OWNS his servant, as any other object. what battle ?
mircea_popescu: this isn't some kind of encounter like between german socialism, american socialism and russian socialism, who oh who will win in the end ? (because we know as a matter of necessity that two will ally against one, crush it, then once that's done a) import everything and b) go at each other).
mircea_popescu: and this is why i say things like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822118 all crumble before it because the alternative is dust at rest on the surface of the moon.
mircea_popescu: it's ~exactly~ the same way every hunk of metal "comes up" with "being cold to the touch"
mircea_popescu: it's simply what dumb people do. they come up with "we're all equal" and "it's the universe, man" and listening to the worst part of female nature and pretend there's nothing else on their fucking own.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, no part of the empire is ~deliberate~. socialism, pantsuitism, inca, et all are the unexcited level of gray matter.
BingoBoingo: Next Uruguay game is Wednesday at noon. I suspect nothing is happening in this country that day. Opponent is Saudi Arabia, the worst team in the tournament.
asciilifeform: ( even the hand-cranked one asciilifeform uses, with wheels )
mod6: Interesting paper there.
asciilifeform: (i.e. it is not in fact necessary to glitch the rsa check, but would entirely suffice to glitch the unlock command conditional jump)
asciilifeform: for cr50 in particular, a continuous (e.g. xray) rather than intermittent (emp shooter) glitcher might be preferable, as the thing has a convenient unlock command that you can fire via the uart continuously, then , theoretically, irradiate until it happens to skip the right instruction
asciilifeform: this is the approach where a die shot, even under optical microscope, would be of some conceivable use ( make slightly less blunt/blind target )
asciilifeform: ideal apparatus would be something like the multi-coil rig used for noninvasive brain diddling experiments
asciilifeform: once i get another coupla cr50 boards , will try above method with a small twist ( spoiler : chinese pulse welder as the current source! new!111 original!11 )
asciilifeform: can also glitch by manipulating clock, but it is not presently known whether cr50 has external clocking ( my current understanding is that it does not, but has internal oscillator )
asciilifeform: ( and the line between glitch and magicsmokerelease, is thin )
asciilifeform: dun in the literature last night re chip 'glitching' . for some reason everybody, to date, focuses on glitching ~specific~ instruction, rather than scrambling sram bluntly. ( to be fair, the blunt approach is only of any conceivable use if you can pre-emplace the nop slide, as is apparently possible on cr50 ) ; state of the open lit art seems to be the 'xbox 360' pill demonstrated in 2015
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, seems like the earliest vtree to include manifest was : FG -- http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=fg
diana_coman: phf, please add the last 2 patches of eucrypt: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/05/03/eucrypt-chapter-13-smg-rng/ and http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/15/eucrypt-manifest-file/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not even convinced that 'purposeful newton' is artifact of socialist schooling; meatsacks without the exploratory instinct the gods gave dog, cat, rat, are doomed to believe in some variant of this
mircea_popescu: they're ~things not presently known to be false~, and in the case of physics they actually are "things we know are false but don't know where".
a111: Logged on 2018-06-14 18:26 mircea_popescu: hence the whole http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/ discussion and so on.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the missing crown on this entire thread is to be had by coming back to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679600 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-14#1825478 and point out that currently accepted theorems, be they in physics, math, what have you, including whatever you wish to include, thales, archimedes, pythagora, descartes, gauss, WHATEVER aren't "things known to be true".
mircea_popescu: and if one ~doesn't~ have the equivalent, because one is a nomad, one fucking finds things on his own. i get it, not everyone can own a castle, to wait for carts of grain to come in for the market. fine. BUT ONE STILL EATS.
mircea_popescu: and so no, there's no fucking excuse. if one has an equivalent of trilema, that claim may only be permitted to stand IF IT IS FUNCTIONALLY EQUIVALENT. if it does the same thing. i think nothing of, picking randomly, orlovs' blog, or yarvin's blog, or you name the idiot, anil dash, fucktard mcdumbsticks, whatever, BECAUSE their blogs don't fucking work. and "i have a lot of '''traffic'''" isn't a working, and "i get paid to ad
mircea_popescu: it's very true that i'd have never given a shit had nobody said something to me about it on my blog ; but it's just as true that ~the reason~ i took that stance was specifically that someone ~was going to~ say something to me on my blog, about that as about anything else worth the note, because that's what i built it as for fucks' sake.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the actual finding was july 22nd 2011 (as per authentic & historically accurate http://trilema.com/2013/noob-mp-or-how-it-all-began/#selection-1437.0-1437.47 ), which is to say THE NEXT DAY. no fucking half week.
mircea_popescu: these went nowhere because a) not directly related to something i was working in at the time and b) not nearly as well respected source in my eyes -- though perhaps the order's reversed. in any case, it was very much "guy i know raised a sorta-objection to the completeness of my research which had to be remedied", and if one thinks the bias in such a context is ever anything but "get rid of it" that one's very naive indeed.
mircea_popescu: this very much ~wasn't~ the first mention of bitcoin on trilema, there's earlier march http://trilema.com/2011/de-ce-trebuie-protejat-angajatul/#comment-43648 and april http://trilema.com/2011/guvernul-cu-rata-de-succes-33/#comment-47237 mentions by a fellow named gheorghe
a111: Logged on 2018-06-14 18:34 mircea_popescu: it took me all of half week to find the bitcoin-otc in 2011, and this considering a) i hadn't been on irc in a decade ; b) i thought computers are idiotic and computer dweebs idiotic-er still for simply being involved with them ; c) was looking for sufficient cause to dismiss this bitcoin bullshit.
mircea_popescu: but, to put meat on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-14#1825496 before cosmic rays fuck the wetware memory of it, the impetuus for c) was very much spyked, as per http://trilema.com/2011/economia-unui-joc-multiplayer-probleme/#comment-55648
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/14/if-not-one-thing-the-other/ << Bingo Blog - If Not One Thing The Other
BingoBoingo: In a civilizations that don't have taboos against ambition, they'd be cheering to win
BingoBoingo: First time they won was maybe a kilometer away from here though
BingoBoingo: And they've won several times... plural I have been told
BingoBoingo: Well, they have won. Their lack of ambiton though... Everyone is talking like making the QUARTER FINAL is the stretch goal they are cheering for...
hanbot fully expects the cr team to ask .rs and .br if there's anything they can do to help them kick their own asses
mircea_popescu: chicks in team colors going down the street and whatnot. banks falling over each other to sell world cup branded banknonsense
mircea_popescu: but in other lulz : these little orcs here, they fucking love soccer. love it. and it's the world cup, and their group is... serbia. and brazil.
mircea_popescu: or maybe the surrounding atmosphere also sunk
asciilifeform: i've nfi how they've managed to stretch out their pile of su-era 'white man built' goodies, into ~30yrs of derping. must've been one hell of tall pile.
asciilifeform: was the subj of thread, ukrs being given an undeservedly soft landing onto the inevitable spike pit at considerable expense , by ru et al
mircea_popescu: in other words, elderly ukrs got insufficient assfucking, i hope their childrens get sold to fight in africa. what fucking iphones.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-14#1825578 << fuck them and their lukewarm http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-123.521-123.558 bullshit.
asciilifeform: dumping ground market ( while they've got anything to spend ) for rubbish that even ru folx won't buy
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 19:30 asciilifeform: last i recall, they fitted 'general electric' fuel rods to the 1 remaining sov reactor, it is a pop waiting to happen
asciilifeform: they are also undergoing, since even prior to '14, a kind of 'reverse fire sale', with joys of the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498362 kind
asciilifeform: ( the ukrs are somewhat inadherent to even concept of secret, they make usg look light a tight operation )
a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 03:16 asciilifeform late evening, listening to elderly ukrs derp on shortwave re horror of their neet chillunz derping on ipnojes; where to read re antennae design; putin.
asciilifeform: the folx referred to in the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818497 thread, were actually discussing the matter
asciilifeform: ( the time for ben_vulpes to go there, and maybe do some hunting, is prolly nao or never )
asciilifeform: the rocket nozzle etc. plants , from what i hear, are in full throttle 'termite hollowing' mode as we speak, being sawed apart and carted away by various foreigners for fire sale prices
asciilifeform: for a while they have passable chocolate (roshen corp, having privatized su-era confectionaries) but today even it is inedible, having finally gone full bore soy crapola
asciilifeform: ru remains by and large the ~only trading partner of the ukrs (~nobody else wants any of their shit even for free)
asciilifeform: ( until 2014-present round of ukrwank, there was not particularly large incentive to do said replacement , trade ~worked )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there's a great deal of 'inside wank' in re mechanics of urkdom; for instance, a number of sov-era factories, producing e.g. rocketry gear, were stranded on wrong side of the border on independence day; and it took a rather long time to complete (afaik, it's largely complete) the process of replacing their goodies with ru-local production
asciilifeform: observe that lolmart does not hand out food for 100% phree, either
asciilifeform: ( it can absorb, apparently, a coupla 100k runaway ukrs per yr, but not 'all of them at once' )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the ukrs get ~phree fuel, for 'reasons'
ben_vulpes: "While the rulings of the Stockholm court were not made public...Naftogaz managed to avoid Gazprom's major claim ... almost 60% of Ukraine's GDP", so is this "the poor ukranians can't actually even pay the penalty, so we're cancelling the clause"?
ben_vulpes: "the stockholm international arbitration court cancelled retroactively the take-or-pay clause forseen in the 2009 contract with Russia's Gazprom"
mircea_popescu: if one's into sads, one should look at what's left of anarchism, in the contemporary pantsuit retellings.
mircea_popescu: there we go.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ah ok then.
mircea_popescu: what loose what glue trap ? you're either looking or you're not looking ; and if you're not looking a) age dun improve anything and b) god himself riding on a pogo stick can'd help you.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, woman even said this somewhere, i dun recall where, possibly on one of her meanwhile disappeared blogs, that "i used to think my walls were white then you sat there and against your shirt they looked grey".
mircea_popescu: hanbot, ikr ? somehow this never occurs to the idiots.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: some folx are loose enuff in the glue trap that energetic particle can knock'em out of it
mircea_popescu: and to bring this to a very plain example, the reason ~natural~ slavegirl says http://trilema.com/2018/when-cherri-met-rae-rae-also-met-cherri/#selection-3537.0-3539.57 is because she correctly intuits that the whole basis is "i've never said no to you", ie, unbroken chain of obedience. (and the reason she's a natural is exactly that she intuits this sort of thing, and so on.)
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824840 << why not save that shit for oh, iono, the DMV? do you tell the fucking IRS "i'll get to it when i get to it"? no, you stand in line/wait on hold for three hours, thrilled as fuck to say "urr, hurr, yes sir" at the endless tide of bullshit, then come here and practice what you should've said to them, to us? completely fucking misdirected.
mircea_popescu: when we originally met, chet was more than twice my age. she got a divorce and moved to romania of all places. so no, it's not impossible. but then again, the chain of possibility is an ~unbroken~ thing, much like the chain of blocks or the chain of trust.
mircea_popescu: and so is dutch stuck with the academia. and so is boring-40yo stuck with "her family". and so on.
mircea_popescu: point is, when he was 2yo he didn't use his brain in the manner of people ; but in the manner of wolves. that window of brain plasticity meanwhile closed, and if he'll never be a very good wolf, he's certainly not getting to enroll to people university.
mircea_popescu: wolf-child, incapable of speech, is also not thereby necessarily "was retarded 2yo".
asciilifeform: it's rather like asking hiroshima surviver to complete in olympiad
asciilifeform: lobbes: i suspect that mircea_popescu nails it, prolly unlikely that anybody will ever overcome the radiation damage from being 70 y.o. and collecting usg pensions
asciilifeform: asciilifeform has lengthy personal history of traveling expensive, painful dead ends, and hence somewhat sympathetic to figures like dutch
asciilifeform: ( to complete the lulzpic earlier -- by the time asciilifeform figured out how to pump in candidate-headers and pump out solved nonce strictly via the intact jtag header , diff was already up in the sky )
asciilifeform: trinque: ( somewhat unsurprisingly, i found that they cut the tracks. bastards knew what they were doing. )
asciilifeform: i'd be content with just the link
asciilifeform: oh hey thx phf , shows the link nao
asciilifeform: trinque: sorta why i sometimes try and apply the excavator to other folx. but it to date always ended the same uninteresting way, and the most parsimonious hypothesis re why is afaik mircea_popescu's
trinque: take the example of esthlos recently, dood was being kinda hard to read, uncommunicative. I jabbed directly at forehead on that matter, and lovely vtron pops out the other side
asciilifeform: well i managed to escape finding mircea_popescu for >1yr ( and even then had to be dug up with excavator ) but possibly i went to wrong kindergarten..
mircea_popescu: what, is the proposition that i'm some kind of genius ?
mircea_popescu: it took me all of half week to find the bitcoin-otc in 2011, and this considering a) i hadn't been on irc in a decade ; b) i thought computers are idiotic and computer dweebs idiotic-er still for simply being involved with them ; c) was looking for sufficient cause to dismiss this bitcoin bullshit.
mircea_popescu: the other fucktard in the class was periodically whining his idiocy at me, if i recall.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing ~creative~ here, in the meaning of creative of "you gotta say 39834908503485093485 and you'll never manage this magic number by trying numbers".
asciilifeform: weren't as recently as yesterday, the thread re btc exchange rates, that we're a fairly small target in fairly large galaxy ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: upstack -- do i misunderstand the model, or is the idea 'troo unbonsaikittened mind , proceeding from cause, will find the republic on own engine power, guaranteed' ?
asciilifeform: 'trusts in allah but ties the camel'
asciilifeform: trinque: d00d's a christian, as far as i can tell, possibly (or not , i am not equipped to discern) in the danielpbarron style
mircea_popescu: that's what it is : he wants, and thereby i know he was raped as a child.
mircea_popescu: it is the natural state ; the idiocy is ~inculcated~, by idiot mothers principally, through ~sexual abuse of children~.
mircea_popescu: hence the whole http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/ discussion and so on.
mircea_popescu: the only correct approach is "i couldn't give less of a shit about all of it and what's this do ?!"
mircea_popescu: no, he's lost soul because he wants to communicate. that upon so wanting he then proceeds to "sate" that want "as best can be done" is not even separable.
asciilifeform: chukcha shaman is not lost soul because he wants to communicate over 100km distance, he's a lost soul because he hasn't heard of hertz or maxwell's or at all touched the relevant material
mircea_popescu: it's quite another thing to wants ; and yes, he definitely wants, because if he didn't he'd just proceed from cause and would have been here begging his pardons upon the first time he read the logs, rather than fail to do so the 500th.
mircea_popescu: it's anotehr thing to "shit, this train's going the wrong way"
asciilifeform: he's not the 1st, nor last, to admit to wishing for a pre-1993 net
mircea_popescu: the fact that he wants, i find intrinsically retarded.
asciilifeform: what , in the abstract, does he want, that mircea_popescu finds intrinsically retarded ?
mircea_popescu: and therein is the problem entire : he wants, and thereby he can never escape the inca. let him want somewhere else, he's soiling my floors.
asciilifeform: well he wants , roughly, the effect ( 'get my 1972 academy of sciences again' or the like) but has no possibly correct priors on which to work. hence shaman's radio.
mircea_popescu: i'll tell you where : bitch only "learned" it to protect something else thereby.
mircea_popescu: but as it is, the moment the idiocy he is protecting goes away, so goes away his perceived need for whatever "he got right" and there you sit, wondering, "hey, i taught you this a year ago, where did it go ?!?!"
mircea_popescu: and so this is the deep root of what i mean when i say "he didn't get anything right" : the ~only reason~ he included $republican-item in his soup is to support some other batshit insanity ; it's not a root but a frill for him -- as proven by the fact that were it root, it'd have rid him of the batshit he aims to hang on it.
mircea_popescu: the more they spend "thinking", the more they'll have to spend thinking to get rid of the elaborate elucubrations they came up with ; and not even linearly "the more", i'm affraid it's exponential.
mircea_popescu: these processes both directly mimic the evolution of software in empire and republic ; and directly illustrate the problem : aging is a net negative for they outside the republic. it ~decreases~ their value, monotonically, irrespective of any other considerations.
mircea_popescu: aging in the republic, contrarywise, is the process whereby the cardinal of L and the length of some Ts shrinks, so as to remove as many Ts and T elements as possible.
mircea_popescu: aging in the wild, in this model, is the process whereby the cardinal of L and the length of individual Ts in that L grows, so as to avoid removing any of the initial Ts.
mircea_popescu: idiot (I) consists of ordered list (L) of statement trees (Ti). each individual statement in each tree is either true or false ; relatedly to this, every tree is either solid or nonsense.
mircea_popescu: but let's model this properly, for the sake of record :
mircea_popescu: he's just fuzzing the field, is all.
mircea_popescu: because this is how they age -- they become ever more elaborate in their idiocy. THIS is the deep meaning of "Interesting to see the bits he gets 'right' , such as no anonymity, but then to see him see him turn around and" : he didn't get anything right.
asciilifeform: however asciilifeform's measured suspicion is that the hypothetical clueful reverser is moar likely to resemble trinque's d00d than a 20 y.o. douchebag .