asciilifeform: https://archive.li/cwjsO << vintage lul via the hoare thing. rapee was given... medal.
asciilifeform: ( and other variations on the theme, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474626 )
asciilifeform: in usa they are sometimes able to publish books, tho, and routinely dekulakized by court
asciilifeform: ( iirc in usa they cannot )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 16:33 mircea_popescu: rewatched http://trilema.com/2011/margin-call/ last nite ; hanbot was all "wtf is with these idiots, tax man takes 50% right off the top, and that's it ? no comment, not even a groan, not even 'how about you pay me the real amt you pay me rather than pretend double' zero ??"
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828147 << that fucking movie. first, i was pissed off none of the characters were capable of saying ~anything~ of substance about [finance, trading, anything-at-all], then i realized it's an accurate portrayal. still not sure if the thing's deliberately honest or all responsible are so clueless the kitsch was actually supposed to impress.
trinque: nor root of the site
mircea_popescu: this resulted in a 50k win by the "victim" and a 800k win in "court costs".
mircea_popescu: in ongoing lulz, "A v Hoare, [2008] UKHL 6 is a leading tort case in British law, decided by the House of Lords in 2008. The Lords held that the limitation period for actions founded on torts of negligence may be disapplied where it is inequitable to enforce it."
ben_vulpes: https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/19/17480912/github-ice-linkedin-scraping-employees << "no pretty please don't be hunting us down"
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 23:07 spyked: in other news, I've been using most of my spare cycles lisping in ada. should be able to wrap up a blog post sharing a very minimal prototype (sane implem. of repl doing nothing but basic ops) in a few weeks. what I've got now adheres to most of ffa constraints. the current version isn't very clean, but getting there...
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 18:47 asciilifeform: trinque: naa wasn't a heathen link, was selfmade thing
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828348 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736830 << I see the discussion threads, but didn't find the post on thetarpit.org
mircea_popescu: that;s the hope, anywya. we see.
mod6: i'll even go one further... if the FG USB-TTL becomes a pressing issue, for some reason, I'll give ya mine from my rockchip.
diana_coman: if we can indeed just move it over on a wed downtime then yes, not needed for sure;
mod6: ok sounds like a plan then. thanks for being flexible here.
ben_vulpes: end of july for the whole package
mod6: Maybe that's ok to just get one FG up and running for the test environment? We're shipping addtional ones down there asap as well. They'll come separately from the SSDs though.
mod6: so we should be good to go then to meet our EoM deadline.
mod6: lobbes: you still wanna buy & ship some SSDs for pizarro for BTC? chat us up in #pizarro about the details.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 a) why not just sell it to pizarro and b) it's really no rush, end of the month's fine. << thanks for the time horizon. we'll plan on getting the hot-spare racked and going for sure by end of June.
asciilifeform: couldn't make these up, i swear
mircea_popescu: imagine, her netherparts run on microshit!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828353 << Sam25218 23F "I think my vagina just made the windows shut down noise. Begone you irksome cockwomble."
mircea_popescu: ah, so then adult raid, just not adult populated. this seems fine.
ben_vulpes: box can come up for testing with the spare ssd drive held for s.mg raid redundancy; then reprovision with cuntoo later in the month and the fat stack of SSDs to flesh out the raid array for the production cutover.
mod6: Anyway, that's what I'm thinkin. We stand up what we have onhand for S.MG. And meanwhile, we order 5 1Tb SSDs for immediate shipment. When recieved, we ship another 5.
mircea_popescu: no, the idea is, she stands up a working pile on the non-raid system, attempts to move it over, it don't boot, because raid.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if disk failure is the concern
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can backup to the larger box, neh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only catch is that "o wait, kernel now dun work"
mod6: asciilifeform: aha, they can decide to add the additional drives any time after the first shipment is received. Totally up to S.MG.
mod6: I've just been told that I don't even need to give S.MG a drive, or sell it one. Apparently I misunderstood and there already is a drive available for this environment. Just one, and that's alwasys been there iirc.
asciilifeform: mod6, mircea_popescu : it was my understanding that mircea_popescu & diana_coman wanted a test bed, and will eventually swap back to orig s.mg box; so not clear if the spare needs a full adult raid
mircea_popescu: mod6 a) why not just sell it to pizarro and b) it's really no rush, end of the month's fine.
mod6: -july. 3) Upon receipt of the first drive shipment, we can add those additional drives to the hot-spare-evironment - as needed. They'll be earmarked for S.MG. 4) Pizarro will then actually place another order of 5 drives to be shipped just to have on hand.
mod6: And what we're proposing is this: 1) the bitcoin foundation will give S.MG its SAMSUNG 1tb ssd - we can get that drive into the hot-spare-environment and get it racked in the next i.e. 48 hours. This will allow diana_coman to boot up and do whatever testing/gymnstaics she needs. meanwhile 2) Pizarro will make 1st order of 5 1tb ssds from shitazon and have those shipped asap. They should arrive by about mid
asciilifeform: the meat, see , was rotten!11
mircea_popescu: putin doesn't understand how the world works.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: google translator is pretty much same 1970s lultron as produced 'the vodka is tasty but the meat -- rotten' from 'spirit is willing but flesh is weak', famously
mircea_popescu: mod6 last i heard and signed off on, alf's gonna put the cuntoo on the box as soon as you folks have it.
mod6: Hi all. So we're trying to figure out what we can do here regarding the s.mg hot-spare box.
asciilifeform: and prolly other human languages
mircea_popescu: then exactly.
spyked: asciilifeform, yes, found w4rez. and used it as reference. and the lisp evaluator works on simple programs (implemented most higher-order functions in it), but the code is organized like crap. and I'm not sure I made the correct cut between "builtin procedures" and e.g. keywords such as "lambda".
mircea_popescu: this word, incidentally, is like the english "set". means "ways, means, form, face, expression" etc.
mircea_popescu: in other sads, article fucking untranslatable. "inchipuiti-va" is not romanian for "imagine", because that's imaginati-va. it's the vocative of the act of creating a form/face (chip) in your mind. which does not exist in english as such, unless you go to "mentally iconify" or somesuch barbarism.
asciilifeform: it's exactly the likbez for subj.
asciilifeform: spyked: were you able to get hold of the french d00d's 'lisp in small pieces' ?
spyked: I managed to make the thing run without a heap, I think the problem's more in my understanding of Lisp's evaluation model.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 12:19 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737923 <-- also, spyked's adalisp is missing more fundamental things, such as closures. it's an early prototype, barely usable, but > 0. interning is of course considered, but not added yet. anyway, phf, consider the following point: built-in symbols (car, cons, etc.) still have to point *somewhere*, and that somewhere must not be addressed in a C-machine style! symbols should point to Lisp memory (via
a111: Logged on 2017-10-08 14:06 phf: spyked: r5rs and tinyscheme are not the right places to start on the other, non-ada end, i'd recommend looking at lisp in small pieces. you can tease out the theory out of tinyscheme, but it's definitely easier not to get bogged on accidentals if you start from theory
spyked: asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722613 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741176 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741181 and there are certainly others. I kept reading and adding some basic pieces to it, but IMHO is still very much "roadside item"
asciilifeform: the comeback, i mean
mircea_popescu: in other lulz (from there where the hopeless cunts posture) : Sam25218 23F Exploring "It costs £0.00 to not be like this." LordMPofTMSR 37M Master "For the same money it'd cost you nothing to stop washing and go about in rags. What nonsense is this ?!"
spyked: quite the backbreaker, yes. I have some coad, but it sucks (iirc I linked some of it and phf tore it to pieces).
asciilifeform: trinque: naa wasn't a heathen link, was selfmade thing
a111: 2018-06-18 <spyked> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825614 <-- I wonder if dood is still tuned in (maybe read-only? I know I was for more than a coupla years). kinda enjoyed the conversations back in the day.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 17:44 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736892 << some years ago, several people got together and worked through 'an incremental approach to compiler construction', one nick fitzgerald worked through it in ada: https://github.com/fitzgen/ada-scheme
mircea_popescu: from city hall to cnc mill, the works.
mircea_popescu: this is how we ended up rebuilding the whole town around powerplant as part of powerplant rebuild project.
asciilifeform: compared to, e.g., trb reactor dismantlement and rod replacement , re-creating the useful part of emacs is light work.
mircea_popescu: put that in brother's graybeard an' smoke it!11
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but this is my point. "why are you using emacs when in fact trb will need ada scheme anyway and then you could just have a musl-gnat nerwmacs" ?
asciilifeform recently had lengthy emacs convo with asciilifeform's brother, greybeard incurable emacsist , re 'yes we will ditch the autoinstallable packets' . initially horrified, then it dawned on him
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828135 << so far the question is whether adascheme or elips.
asciilifeform: the pov where 'line of coad is asset!11' inescapably leads to this.
asciilifeform: with the 1 twist that in the nintendo game at least sometimes objects come loose and fall from the ball
asciilifeform: 'foss' 'development' follows the pattern illustrated in the old jp game 'katamari damacy' , where ball rolls around and picks up rusty nails, rubbish, people, dogs, trees, candy bars, etc
mircea_popescu: "nobody could have predicted" and therefore it doesn't occur to them how to clean it. and the politruks are helpfully there, "stop rape" and "code of conduct of incluisivity" and etc, expertly boiling the frogs.
mircea_popescu: Mocky it's not much, superficially, but it has a lot of downstream. because this is the ~fundamental~ rot of "foss" : that impotent dweebs latch on to it not because of the lofty theoretical goals, but strictly because of the very direct if unspoken power equation, "if i be friends with these guys then girls will be forced ot insert my penis in their vagina by themselves".
trinque: recently did work experimenting with "just add water" kernels where the initramfs is (relatively) huge, but there is in fact a magic number limiting the size of in-built initramfs, dun recall what, but hit it in the few 100s of mb range
trinque: I build initramfsen by aiming portage at a custom PORTAGE_CONFIGROOT and ROOT, using a threadbare portage profile, can thereby slam down ebuilds in a chroot without having the whole of portage present in the chroot
asciilifeform: iirc busybox errs on the side of being spartan, breaks certain legacy duct tapes
asciilifeform: and overall trinque's approach to kernels is The Right Thing (i.e. nail down the iron, and switch off modules)
trinque: (there will be a tool for initramfs-ism forthcoming, but there are very few situations where you actually need one)
trinque: however, if you're using genkernel, the script doesn't invoke that for you. it expects to be fed a kernel config bare
trinque: yep, there aren't any specific constraints on the kernel, other than the obvious "matched arch, abi, of userland root"
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 17:35 mircea_popescu: for a simple example, the default state is, "userbase rejects your merge" rather than "everyone please upgrade". that should give a decent idea of the flavour.
asciilifeform: the one where 'what would you have in your house, if all you had to do is think of it'
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 17:31 mircea_popescu: i suppose i should translate that thing. unless anyone wants to practice their rofu first ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828282 << asciilifeform very definitely read that piece. but it might have been in the orig ro
diana_coman: so then it would seem this is the best available option currently: asciilifeform can I have trinque's cuntoo on that machine when it's available?
asciilifeform: trinque: luckily asciilifeform already baked kernel config for the type of machine diana_coman has ( tho it potentially can be further trimmed )
diana_coman: trinque, hm, the kernel config suitable for the hardware in principle exists already as it would be the same as it is for non-musltronic gentoo, or am I wrong here?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 17:28 diana_coman: trinque, if I understand it correctly, I could have a cuntoo right now and move later on to v-tree but a. there is some work to be done to configure it properly for the exact pizarro hardware b. it's unclear whether I'll be able to emerge (i.e. build musltronically) all the stuff I need ; correct?
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828275 << right. either now or later, you'll have to produce a kernel config suitable for your hardware, and provide that to the build script. and yes, there is the potential that somebody else hasn't yet provided musl patches for your dependencies, though there are more all the time.
mircea_popescu: for a simple example, the default state is, "userbase rejects your merge" rather than "everyone please upgrade". that should give a decent idea of the flavour.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 15:56 Mocky: asciilifeform, re: rejects traditional concept of merge, to my eye this looks like 5 merges. are these non-traditional?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828045 << rejects the github implementation of merge, would have been the correct statement. yes you can alter code, but through a very different process, in places exactly opposite.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 17:04 mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, is why the pantsuit hate the "new right" or whatever they call it. all they see is the zimmerman-paddock party and get hives.
mircea_popescu: also, i misstated http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828225 ; i meant zimmerman-campos (the hotel's rentacop that hassled the dood into going live).
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should translate that thing. unless anyone wants to practice their rofu first ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 20:52 mircea_popescu: it's not "oh, errybody has a rotten plank or two keeping'em afloat." it's "oh, everybody ~can manifest matter by will~, currently everybody hanging off the bare minimum rotten plank and they're not even COMPARED".
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 15:33 asciilifeform: Mocky: to function as a troo vtronicist, gotta grasp the concept, described by e.g. dijkstra, that a line of code you have written is not an asset, but an expense. (specifically, an expense against the time budget of other thinking people, who must read and grasp what you have written. )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828036 << this is a major point ; and goes directly to the bifurcation between http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1827317 and http://trilema.com/2009/inchipuiti-va/ (original piece describing a world where things exist by power of mind and how it'd play out).
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 14:35 trinque: diana_coman: I have updated the script you last tried, such that it again works. What I have not completed is the v-tree which is to replace imperial portage.
diana_coman: trinque, if I understand it correctly, I could have a cuntoo right now and move later on to v-tree but a. there is some work to be done to configure it properly for the exact pizarro hardware b. it's unclear whether I'll be able to emerge (i.e. build musltronically) all the stuff I need ; correct?
asciilifeform: ipadism really replacement for televism, rather than anything else.
a111: 0 results for "fathers fought to conquer", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fathers%20fought%20to%20conquer
mircea_popescu: !#s fathers fought to conquer
mircea_popescu: as far as the crop of baaaas is concerned, 1800s america was a different country in a different land.
mircea_popescu: only thing penned in the past 3 months may be used in support of zek.
asciilifeform: i've yet to meet in the flesh a zek who actually thinks he's touched real money.
mircea_popescu: nothing from the 1800s may stand for today's zeks.
asciilifeform: 'st peter, you can't take me, for i can't go, i owe my soul to the company store'(tm)(r)(1890s amerischwitz) i dun think they necessarily confuse it.
mircea_popescu: how does one go about mistaking their pay slip for money ?
mircea_popescu: this fragmenting thing they're doing is amusingly enough more helping reddit than they could have done if they were good redditors and "created" "content" for it.
asciilifeform: 'wriggle out of the conclusion while accepting form'
asciilifeform: clone of clone, and who knows, maybe kangaroo nao instead of frog, i have not followed the subj
mircea_popescu: wait, there was also a voat, is this that ?
mircea_popescu: certainly. as the gears grind to a halt, more and more of the imperial gdp is leaked to distracting the barbarians.
asciilifeform: hence, for instance, clinton's creation of 'militias' to send the r-reddit folx to play with pea shooters, rather than chancing their discovery of effective low-tech monkey wrenches (e.g. gas)
asciilifeform: really whole root of 'guiism' is to give the monkey a harmless object to manipulate, like hamster is given wheel
mircea_popescu: hysterically enough, this is actually a line by felini. in zampano literally says, "it's the optic nerve that does all the work"
mircea_popescu: it's exactly like old pedophile rubbing the desk in court during testimony of kids he rubbed at home. just, mechanically, how it works.
mircea_popescu: the ~driver~ of the behaviour is exactly 1. now we're doing serious business edumancation which is thought ; 2. activity not involving the optic nerve doesn't feel like having thought ; 3. clicks through captics all while
mircea_popescu: and hence natural masturbatory activity of the sort described in http://trilema.com/2012/the-imbecilitarians/#selection-317.0-317.109
mircea_popescu: so visual, in fact, that unless there's a gui with icons to cluck at, they don't have ~the subjective impression~ of having thought.
asciilifeform: even these did not exist in the necessary mass, the 1st clinton had to create'em ( for waco etc )
mircea_popescu: an evolution (albeit slight) of the 1990s era pantsuit-imagined-enemy, the subersive-exterminator. this guy : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a84gLEew8m4
asciilifeform: y'know, sorta how there wasn't actually a 'communist underground' in the last reich, just that luxembourg chix who got guillotined with buncha other derps
mircea_popescu: and then go about tapping trayvon on the shoulder as he's going home after fucking jennifer senseless.
asciilifeform: ( considering that there isn't actually such a thing as 'new right', but in reality buncha folx who read r-reddit in place of l-reddit )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: doubt that it's so specific; afaik they see it as simply a large underground bag into which they've driven errything with even half a ball remaining, 'could do anyffing!1'
mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, is why the pantsuit hate the "new right" or whatever they call it. all they see is the zimmerman-paddock party and get hives.
asciilifeform: 'later', 'later', then suddenly 'must nao'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most of the reported 'postal' derps to date seem to follow this pattern
mircea_popescu: and the case'd absolutely have been another chickening out, in my respected and respectable professional oppinion as the only left psychologist speaking this language, had not a very george zimmerman-like character (white male redditor-rentacop) jiggled at his door with his pretense to matter.
mircea_popescu: suicidy emo chick isn't "rehearsing" with the pills.
mircea_popescu: depressives are broken in the typical consumer fashion, "either right now or not at all"
asciilifeform: recently it was invoked , in a ban on whatever peculiarly shaped rifle butt was found in the las vegas postal, supposedly 'bounces off shoulder and shoots illicitly faster'
mircea_popescu: https://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/ATF-shoestring-machine-gun-2004.jpg for the record.
asciilifeform: ( 'we found an old rifle in his closet, and a shoestring, if he were to tie it to the bolt like-so...' )
asciilifeform: or, on the other side of the kangaroo courthouse, the infamous 'shoestring machinegun' cases, etc.
asciilifeform: ( sorta how you see sentences for '10kg of lsd', which has never existed and probably will never exist on planet earth; they weigh whatever reagents, incl water )
mircea_popescu: helps the whole "nobus child porn" thing, "if we didn't cheat here we'd cheat down the line" sorta anal children "arguments".
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lulzily , in ameristan they have the 'analogues act', i.e. anybody can be prosecuted, if they 'need to have problems', for, say, the glue in their chinese shoes, if need be
mircea_popescu: basically they're really really dedicated to dying in a bloc.
asciilifeform: iirc under obummer they even made inroads into making small arms blackmarket dependent on usg-controlled suppliers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform deintermediation, the universal inca goal. as per http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/
ben_vulpes: because it's not fentanyl, it's just-enough-different to escape prosecution in the orient and kill people in ameristan
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: nah, even worse/dumber. importing the fentanyl and mixing it poorly into things that look like heroin for street-resale
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: even these, are afaik now quite similar to the flower pot derp, typically just a d00d who works at pharmacy warehouse
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the pot dealer is even an extinct species these days; gotta go buy fentanyl to make friends now
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta the thrust behind the recent trend of 'pot legalizations' in usa -- succeeded in neutering the healthiest of the blackmarkets ( something like 1 in 5 zeks in usa, regularly pot )
mircea_popescu: then you learn the much more important lesson that a car's worth of condom's worth the whole hruscheba, plus that hottie on 2F.
mircea_popescu: the same guy selling you pot, in a working world, will sell your car for you / introduce you to the people in austriturkey to buy condoms from and so on.
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking point of even having a black market economy is to destroy the system, hence all the o'brien comments on trilema.
mircea_popescu: here's the pro tip : everyone who made money in the 90s did so because of their "pot dealer" connections.
mircea_popescu: these people have no fucking idea re soviet survival skills.
asciilifeform: in current-day gringolandia, 'dealer' is no longer interesting connector to the world, but rather some d00d with two flower pots and fluorescent lamp in his cellar
asciilifeform: same folx presumably who bought the infamous $100M pizza
mircea_popescu: though when it comes to b), i suppose i should admit the girls keep getting offered roaches and tokes alllll the time. whole crowd whose only mode of socialisation seems to be, sharing mate uh i mean, pot-e.
mircea_popescu: you know, the total btc value i spent on pot the past decade is 0.00. because a) who the fuck buys pot for internet funbux, just... why! and b).
asciilifeform: ( recall similar generation of amoeba who 'then i realized mmm was SCAM!' ? )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-20 15:41 FundsAreSafuh: The thrill of buying 60 BTC, and spending it all on cannabis. The exhilaration of learning PGP for the first time. The realization that FeedZeBirds was a scam.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827714 << roflmao what fucking thrills these guys got. i am starting to suspect i missed out.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-20 15:20 FundsAreSafuh: the pursuit of knowledge, and an adoration for the great Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu: she hates their freedoms.
mircea_popescu: rewatched http://trilema.com/2011/margin-call/ last nite ; hanbot was all "wtf is with these idiots, tax man takes 50% right off the top, and that's it ? no comment, not even a groan, not even 'how about you pay me the real amt you pay me rather than pretend double' zero ??"
asciilifeform: 'they hate our fleadoms!'(tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: because it seems like 100% of the new world jews will.
mircea_popescu: i wonder what percentage of the old world jews actuallty went to the lime pit while managing imaginary financial empires the whole time.
mircea_popescu: zombie herd knows no such thing, on the long run. bridges over barbed water!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far seems like they know that fence is electrified, mostly stayed off
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 16:08 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828005 << the closest we got to a replacement i believe was asciilifeform's shiva, i.e. a tinyscheme embedded into trb runtime. it was suggested as a useful exercise for novices to attempt to expose existing, useful rpc function using it, but there were no takers. at some point the idea of using shiva in prod also went away, because tinyscheme is not necessarily production ready (primarily because of C-ism issues). as
a111: Logged on 2018-06-20 16:15 mircea_popescu: in other-same lulz, usg amping up the "upgrading" of "secure" http sites off the interwebs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and trinque isn't issuing them their 3bs. i suppose next step in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827722 security circus luls is "can't send bitcoin to proper bitcoin address, ITS INSECURE!!!" bullshit.
mircea_popescu: Mocky so flush them via whatever, iirc blockchain.info sent correct ammt.
Mocky: ok well, thanks. hopefully that doesn't curse me. but also i "have" "bitcoin" in various dark markets that i want to actually own and I don't trust them to send accurate decimal to trinque's walletron
mircea_popescu: (i hope we all now admire the wisdom of trinque, for having closed this hole for me lo these many years ago.)
mircea_popescu: there.
mircea_popescu: if you just run by whatever shines you'll get overwhelmed and then depressed at how the sand sucks effort with no visible return.
mircea_popescu: yo Mocky , do the botting bs. i was going to tell you when to v it, and everything. not like you're alone here you know.
mircea_popescu: btw, everyone notice how every year by now there's one of these shockingly promising young squirts ? just, they keep coming earlier and earlier in the year.
mircea_popescu: this is in the lawgs!
mircea_popescu: and you know what else went with it ? she can barely come. because yes, the cns is plasticine, but no it's not free plasticine.
mircea_popescu: i personally know a slut that lost the ability of being beaten for fun, through the mediation of her ducati and so many knee and hip surgeries she's immune to playpain.
mircea_popescu: but this reminds me, saw somewhere nice aquafort of 1918 major road here, then a river, beign crossed by bare legged girlies on oxcarts.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but yes, this is how empires die. "yes we're aware this would sail right off if driven through in 3 feet of water, but the car's not rated for driving through 3 feet of water so it's ok." "right, but then the ramp that's not rated for flooding will flood, because etcetera in this vein, and there you are." << AHA, this happened to the plasticar
mircea_popescu: donkey, also can't breathe underwater.
mircea_popescu: they wait.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where do the donkey riders cross ?
mircea_popescu: their little toyota and toyota-like shits (which is 99% of mkt here) simply drown in half that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you kidding me ? i found out later from workers we were the only ones to cross there.
mircea_popescu: phf there were takers, mod6 working on rawtx recall ?
mircea_popescu: the correct fucking solution, nevermind billiard whatever, is to not have floodable highway ramps. which is the largest chapter in highway ramp engineering book. not even kidding.
phf: of right now new methods that people write are exposed through the old RPC still
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 14:07 Mocky: I'm confused about trb rpc. Log search suggests for the first year+ of bitcoin foundation rpc was marked for death: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-28#1417175 but then there's dump / eat block based on rpc? Is this a new version of rpc, I don't see a new version announced on the mailing list. Can someone sum this up for me, I'm having trouble following the history.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828005 << the closest we got to a replacement i believe was asciilifeform's shiva, i.e. a tinyscheme embedded into trb runtime. it was suggested as a useful exercise for novices to attempt to expose existing, useful rpc function using it, but there were no takers. at some point the idea of using shiva in prod also went away, because tinyscheme is not necessarily production ready (primarily because of C-ism issues). as
mircea_popescu: but yes, this is how empires die. "yes we're aware this would sail right off if driven through in 3 feet of water, but the car's not rated for driving through 3 feet of water so it's ok." "right, but then the ramp that's not rated for flooding will flood, because etcetera in this vein, and there you are."
mircea_popescu: nah, it rests on a larger plastic plate, which is plastic-fastened to the whole bumper assemblage.
mircea_popescu: anyway, point being, as girl was dialing the miracle worker for me, i was saying to her, "tomorrow you call the lawyer, apparently he's getting me new plates."
mircea_popescu: nevertheles... not something you'd rely on, even if you had miracle-working groundskeepers at your beak and call. the correct approach is to NOT HAVE FLOODABLE HIGHWAY RAMPS OMFG
mircea_popescu: in pleasantly surprised : yesterday driving through flood (it rained here like the end of hte world, 15cm+) car lost... the front fucking plate on a highway ramp, when water came as high as the windows.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the above named promises to be, very much so.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 12:45 asciilifeform: of the mentioned libs, zlib is known to me to work under musltronic build; libmysqlclient i had not occasion to test
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the main q is not re how many, but whether there is an 'emacs'-like boojum among'em. buildroot will just as happily build 9000 deps as 1.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827994 << yes but this won't likely work here ; the dependency tree is like 10x trb's.
Mocky: asciilifeform, re: rejects traditional concept of merge, to my eye this looks like 5 merges. are these non-traditional?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform, mod6 , phf , ben_vulpes , trinque , ( and several other folx, who are not here, flunked out ) , have done this.
asciilifeform: Mocky: and the best 'intro course', is still to write, as exercise, your own implementation.
asciilifeform: Mocky: imho the best intro text re vtronics is still ben_vulpes's , http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system
asciilifeform: Mocky: the design of v is to give thoughtful, careful, honest folx , a sword with which to cut the sloppy, careless, and mendacious.
asciilifeform: Mocky: v rejects the traditional concept of 'merge'. therefore in order for a patch to continue through time, it must be not only correct, and simple not only to understand but to manually reintegrate ( see l0gz re 'regrind' ) .
asciilifeform: Mocky: to function as a troo vtronicist, gotta grasp the concept, described by e.g. dijkstra, that a line of code you have written is not an asset, but an expense. (specifically, an expense against the time budget of other thinking people, who must read and grasp what you have written. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu , in one of his essays, described how gurlz from nato reich who enlist in his harem sometimes suffer from the effects of fat-soluble poisons, which accumulated in their meat, as the fat burns up in exercise. there is a similar malady suffered by escapees from 'open sores' world on those occasions when they show up here. the toxins gotta work their way out.
asciilifeform: fella had enthusiasm, even some talent, but could not grasp the essential idea that a patch gotta be compact and touch a strict and justifiable minimum count of moving parts
asciilifeform: Mocky: not merely this. there is also a set of human-enforced conventions re: 'fits-in-head' of any proposed change.
Mocky: asciilifeform, yes. I'm still wrapping my head around v. My understanding is attaching name and trust to every patch with an explicit dependence tree and build order. But I've not grasped the details yet, or used except to build trb, or understood the src
a111: Logged on 2014-11-15 00:28 asciilifeform: one would read instructions. another, turn a wrench, whatever. third would check that 2 corresponds to 1. then, all three sign under that step in recipe.
asciilifeform: Mocky: as you are prolly already beginning to understand from the l0gz, vtronics grew from trb work, which demanded 'measure not 7, but 7777 times, before cutting once', in the style of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-15#922644
asciilifeform: Mocky: trb , roughly speaking , is a legacy item, in the same way as the icbm targeting comp and similar. i.e. a museum piece that gotta be kept in working order, rather than 'sexy, new' thing bubbling with development
asciilifeform: Fearful: who goes there ?
trinque: that process will amount to setting an environment variable to direct emerge to use the /cuntoo/portage tree (and to designate /usr/portage as an overlay, if you'll be porting ebuilds from classical gentoo into cuntoo)
trinque: if you choose to use the build without the vtronic portage, it will be feasible to transition the system once that is born.
trinque: to particular hardware architectures, particular justwantedto variations like use of systemd or nsa.selinux, so on. the profile dir is about 20mb, so serious yak shaving needs to occur there. it's a task I've already done elsewhere (produced a minimal profile for an embedded system for printers recently), just needs to be done here.
trinque: let me know if you're interested in the script, and I'll be happy to upload. otherwise I'll hold off until done with the genesis.vpatch. what remains there is trimming the fat. the pile of ebuilds necessary to build a minimal userland is approx 4mb, though I can probably shave several mb of alternate versions of same ebuilds. then there's the profile directory, which contains environment settings pertinent
trinque: so if I were to upload the current version of the script for you, it would produce a system which is classical gentoo, my recipe, plus the musl and libressl overlays. this'd be what you'd get if you were hand-spinning own musl/libressl system.
trinque: diana_coman: I have updated the script you last tried, such that it again works. What I have not completed is the v-tree which is to replace imperial portage.
asciilifeform: Mocky: on the list of serious problems in trbworld, it ranked somewhere near bottom.