a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 21:43 mircea_popescu: a more even split makes the "solar winds" 0-delta.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-26 21:21 mircea_popescu: besides, i betcha she's on some droid thing, rather than apple specifically.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829972 << pnojeism is a much larger problem than merely crapple, and is really an entire constellation of dysfunctions enabled not by the turdalicious gadgets themselves but, as iirc mircea_popescu pointed out repeatedly, by issuing pseudo-comps to folx who ought to be operating plows and oxcarts fulltime
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 21:37 mircea_popescu: what, and turn it into a financial speculator ? usually firms go that way after making so much revenue they run out of capital goods they might buy
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and this absolves of the need to hedge?
BingoBoingo: In other almost news there's now a WPA 3 standard for wifi crypto. "enterprise" version features "strong" 192 bit crypto
BingoBoingo: That or they are abjectly poor
BingoBoingo: This isn't the US, latinos travel.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: can you buy amazon gift cards for cash in uruguay? << I can look. Since people tend to do Amazon through intermediaries here I don't suspect there's much of a market for the gift cards.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-26 19:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in further lulz : it's classified under... LUMBER
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: possibly stupid notion i had last night i'd like to float for your cfo-ly advice: with the exchange rate in the shitter, and the clear and present demand for fiat-denominated assets, how bad of an idea would it be to sell usd-denominated bonds? mod6 and asciilifeform thoughts also pls
mod6 does the head drop
mircea_popescu: once my seething rage piped down it occured to me that "dood, what you're almost entirely about is a rejection of the lamenormal. why are you wondering that consummate normalcy gets you pissed off and why are you surprised it produces itself ?!"
trinque: she probably twitched away to some red dot, had to go get the food pellet
trinque: thing's meant to train neuroses into the user, and amplifies them. neurotic brain's output is pretty damned annoying.
mircea_popescu: besides, i betcha she's on some droid thing, rather than apple specifically.
mircea_popescu: they're not nearly as good at anything else.
mircea_popescu: but how can they be this good at that ?
hanbot: mircea_popescu by design apple exists to try and make you use its thing, whether it's some itam or some os or some cable, and it'll make things maximally unpleasant for anyone not on the bandwagon, at any point where the nonapple and the apple touch.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform precisely. how the fuck is this possible, if they worked at winning a war they'd lose, but when they don't work at sticking in my craw they manage.
asciilifeform: hey if it were 1994 they'd be logging in from aol and getting modem hangup and betcha similar picture.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but my question is, HOW ? the iphone is not as watertight, not as long-lived, not as bright, colorful, not as ANYTHING as it is fucking annoying.
mircea_popescu: somehow some idiots produced "smartphones" for which some other idiots "wrote software" which other idiots are using, and the end delivery is THIS
mircea_popescu: how, just HOW did this entire tower of chair work out to the maximal annoyance point ? absolutely NOTHING the esltards do is nearly this good at any purpose they ever declare.
mircea_popescu: ~at which point~ the whole flood starts. not earlier, or anything.
mircea_popescu: so here's some wonderment for today : random fetlife slut follows a webirc link (doh, what, irc exists ?!?!?!) and ends up here, at 14:58. sits here quietly, and patiently, until at 15:05 i say something. that's SEVEN WHOLE MINUTES. this alone, you know ? and then, puts another FOUR solid minutes in wtfing this thing, so that at 15:09 she can <kiyleeslut> Found it :).
mircea_popescu: o brother.
mircea_popescu: kiyleeslut rittle led tab on the right of this one
asciilifeform: i'm partial to the cut where the signing device only needs a few kb of storage. ( no. 1 in mircea_popescu's taxonomy )
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "how to cut" piece is the controlling element here, because i don't even recall if we came up wioth a definitive answer.
mircea_popescu: but my point is -- by the time this iron actually signs, this iron actually also manages signatures, and therefore this iron actually is a rsatron.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829932 << was contemplating 'wallet' in the sense of 'iron which actually signs', rather than mere bottle for keyz that get copied elsewhere to be arithmetized over
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/in-re-bitcoin-devs-are-idiots.htm for the historically minded.
asciilifeform: there's no rsa in trb
mircea_popescu: "but mp, that's what you told them to make the wallet, and they did, back in 2012 or w/e"
asciilifeform: '0 opensores legacycrapola in the mix' and so forth.
asciilifeform: errybody already suffers the pile of briefcases. what i'd like is one that does walleting well.
asciilifeform: the only reason is that wallet dun need the same horsepower as 'general' comp, can be 8bit cpu etc
asciilifeform: nothing of any import will ever be 'credit card' form factor, go an audit the whatever-nm chip
mircea_popescu: am i going to have rng ? how small can it then be ? if not small, and rng, why is it not using a proper terminal ?
mircea_popescu: am i going to have no rng in this wallet ? how make change address then ?
asciilifeform: i regularly return , on chalkboard, to the subj, but on last visit to it realized that i'm something like a nonviolinist designing violin
asciilifeform: that was the closest item i found yea
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't mean http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-cut-the-wallet/ do you ?
mircea_popescu: i recall a very early item, i don't expect much value buried there but lessee
asciilifeform: all i found were threads re various sad heathen wallets
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: almost entirely unrelatedly, didja ever have a 'iron wallets spec' article ? asciilifeform had a notion that there was one, and dug in the l0gz, found ~0
asciilifeform: ( iirc! asciilifeform prolly oughta reread his orig coad, actually been wrong before re the mechanisms ! )
asciilifeform: arguably this kind of thing doesn't belong at all in a production vtron, it is uncomfortably close to the proverbial 'null cipher flag'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: ( why? because asciilifeform doesn't like to crypto in any form, even as toy, on boxes without rng, and some of his trb dev machines at the time had none )
mircea_popescu: point being, "blind" v could exist that just puts in the patches as seen in manifest, checks no sigs.
asciilifeform: not really analogues, afaik in the contemplated new v you still need the history, to press
mircea_popescu: basically, we just introduced the possibility of "light nodes" :D
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829715 << nah, trb is the bulkiest and most dangerous item on the table, it utterly can't be the exemplar at this early stage.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-26 17:45 phf: trinque: one reason i didn't include patch name in the manifest is because patch name becomes a promise, unless you enforce it by tooling. i didn't want to go that way, but since current standard manifest does include patch name, than perhaps V ought to check the manifest against the patchset. relatedly fully manifest-based v doesn't even need graph tooling, can presumably press according to manifest's chain.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829714 << this is a significant gain, in that it reduces the need for elaborate toposorting. first, check the manifest chain.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in further lulz : it's classified under... LUMBER
mircea_popescu: in other events : a new resource type just got discovered in eulora
trinque: I brought up the graffiti because that'd be (and has historically been, before manifest) the way to attach the graph
mircea_popescu: supplanting ye olde "use special signatures", which i gather was bulky
ben_vulpes: add a new file for the manifest, create a vpatch, any subsequent vpatches that don't also edit manifest must be reground into mainline.
trinque: I was discussing how the manifest gets welded on, if welding on
trinque: anyhow, if we're talking about how to use the manifest, got it.
trinque: what's it look like in the patch file
ben_vulpes: reference the manifest file in a later patch.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform's answer , was , 'if the N is big enuff to be problem, yer civilization is due for a reformat' )
asciilifeform: aha, recall the 'omfg flow graph is O(N^2)' thread
mircea_popescu: trinque which is why the regrind mechanism even exists
asciilifeform: this worx; and when in 500yrs the republic schisms into west rome and east derpinople , they can have parallel manifests, etc, lol
trinque: eh that accretion of patch material means patch size/readability is inversely proportional to modularity of the code
mircea_popescu: this is the core of V, yes ?
mircea_popescu: but if you do not include it, it's not there.
mircea_popescu: if you find the manifest patrch is useful (as you do), YOU INCLUDE IT.
mircea_popescu: 3. you sign yet another new patch, hurr-biff.patch, referencing fixing-bugzappers.
mircea_popescu: 2. you sign another new patch, later on, "fixing-bugzappers.patch". this patch references manifest patch and ircbot-multichan-etc.
mircea_popescu: 1. you sign a new patch, manifest.patch. at this juncture, phf's viewer will show it to the side, unconnected to the tree.
trinque: aha, once there's a manifest, all's fine.
asciilifeform: i think trinque's observation is re how to glue the ~old~ tree on, in the first manifest-bearing patch
trinque: with the graffiti
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the classical v, you gotta touch the old filez to weld your new patch onto the ancestor-tree that you want
mircea_popescu: ed patch is now also well ordered, "caught in the patchchain" as it were) and b) we can and very likely will re-organize the portion between genesis and the manifest patch later anyway.
mircea_popescu: it's not being proposed as a retoactive fix. the idea is, ~after~ the patch that puts in a manifest, ~subsequent~ patches will be well ordered. and the fact that the earlier ones aren't exactly well ordered is a) resolved in any practical sense by the fact that you won't have patch imports across the barrier more than 1 deep (ie, once a patch after the manifest patch references a patch before the manifest patch, THAT refernec
trinque: no, because the dependency graph is denoted through files, and not concepts
a111: Logged on 2018-06-26 17:26 trinque: ben_vulpes: because the manifest has no antecedent, and you're gonna have to go graffiti other files like an idiot
asciilifeform at one time was quite invested in the notion of 'v format static 4evah' but mircea_popescu convincingly demonstrated that this is dumb
mircea_popescu: not much of a technical problem, perhaps, but there really is no rush with that particular thing.
asciilifeform: ( granted , still not a thing that ought to be done 'every morning before breakfast' but not apocalyptic headache , is the idea )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho 'ablations' where you can pin down the continuity with e.g. 5line of perlade , aren't much of a problem
mircea_popescu: iirc the big item was a reimplemented toposort.
mircea_popescu: trinque as i recall mod6 had had enough of maintaining his ; but this doesn't mean his work to date vanished, any noob/other person at any point hindered by the lisp v can pick up mod6's and maintain it
mircea_popescu: the "multiple implementation" thing hasn't changed, just because there's a candidate reference one tbh.
trinque: if the question was why I linked that one, aside personal preferences, I recall there being some bug in the perl one, which wasn't in the lisp one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd still do the "ablation of 2011-2017" later tbh.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-26 17:21 mod6: the "latest client" linked in the article: http://blog.esthlos.com/esthlos-v-genesis-or-who-presses-the-pressor/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829669 << if they don't like it, they can make own / maintain yours / etcetera. there's no requirement they use that one.
ben_vulpes: well now i have to look into this and figure out what drives the memory of getting stuck. very foggy memories suggest it was the pruning of spent outputs i was unsure of.
asciilifeform: the 'is it same trb' is much smaller problem than it seems, is quite resolvable mechanically ( as demonstrated in my http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-April/000296.html experiment , for instance )
mircea_popescu: much better than having to resolve the "is it same trb" problem. what's the drawback ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-26 17:13 trinque: so if there's a hero around that wants to take that on, we can start getting trb patches out the door again.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829660 << you could just add the manifest in a patch, like diana_coman did for eucrypt.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-14 05:03 ben_vulpes: on an eeeentiiiiirely different topic, it took months but i recently got the part of my output indexer that excises spent outputs from the index map to compile, which i believe brings the indexer part of this foray to completion. i invite any who'd like to read and comment to download the (unsigned!) vpatch from here cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/export_outputs.vpatch
mircea_popescu: i don't recall exactly figures etc, but the 0.1% republican tax is rather inspired by the mongol approach to government
asciilifeform: seems like what they need is a martian invasion, or sumthing.
asciilifeform: the 'mongols' also 'aint waht they used to be', can you picture tamerlane sitting in 'refugee camp' and filing lawsuits re the welfarola cheques bouncing ?
mircea_popescu: just think, there's in excess of 200mn cunts that desperately want and utterly need http://trilema.com/2017/mom/ ; who's gonna do it to them, the fiddy arab youths a day ? have you seen any of these malnourished shitheads in your life ? a hearthy sneeze might blow 'em down.
mircea_popescu: but yes, this objection is quite as strong as the "why trhe fuck did they need 60+ eyars to do it". i fully expect the "rape and slaughter of europe" to disappoint the eager victims. more of a fart than a raging hard-on, in any sense.
mircea_popescu: hey, chicks been slipping themselves mickeys in bars for decades. if it dun get up you get on your knees and suck on it, what can you do ?
asciilifeform: the picture, at least from my perch, doesn't match 'mongols come and the folx on the ramparts pretend not to notice and play cards' model; eurorasts organized, deliberately bring in the boats. what's the logic there ?
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/06/australia-ramps-up-flight-security-theater-with-powder-restrictions/ << Qntra - Australia Ramps Up Flight Security Theater With Powder Restrictions
mircea_popescu: aaand brecht can go hang out with the tulpas and just want to there in peace. win-win.
mircea_popescu: the german democratic republic is getting itself a new people, the old one disappointed.
mircea_popescu: turns out that http://trilema.com/2016/consumerism-is-not-the-answer-though-it-will-put-you-to-sleep-or-american-history-x/#footnote_4_65947 was pretty fucking prophetic
asciilifeform: sorta late to 'worry', current v of euro civ was spiffy and chromed, then wrapped around a telephone pole and repaired with junkyard parts no less than twice, stayed on the road for astonishingly long time, before bumpers , floor, coming off
BingoBoingo: Eh, don't worry for the museum. Let it get some history of its own.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-22 04:08 asciilifeform: in other veryolds, 'you'll feel no dismay, watching your house burn, after you get to see how the bedbug dies!' (korean proverb)
asciilifeform: i dunno who, tho, other than the socialist lolcows, will lament the demolition of the brutalist crapola. but there is no fly/cutlet separation, louvre etc will go down with the rest
mircea_popescu: talk about bringing salt to the snail pit.
mircea_popescu: so there you go, everyone ends up sucking up to hitler, the intellectual giant of the 20th century.
mircea_popescu: if he lived in the city rather than in the barn he maybe would. or maybe wouldn't, which is why he doesn't get to live in the city.
mircea_popescu: at some point the people LIVING THERE notice this, you know ? even if dung-in-toes sheepboy orlov (laughing at the moreso-dung-in-toes other sheeboys, ha-ha!) doesn't notice this.
mircea_popescu: maybe half of what the nazi built has some inkling of merit. but the rest, every public building built in eurpe the past century, belongs torn down.
mircea_popescu: tell me truly : do you perceive any cultural damage in islamist "colonists" in their own mind blowing up the brutalist "buildings" erected by the last gasps of the european socialist governments ?
BingoBoingo: Similarly "re-newing" vows tends to kill the marriage
asciilifeform: imho the interesting bit is not that the tower of chair falls, but how it stayed up as long as it did
mircea_popescu: and they're doing exactly that, and it's reasonable as it ever was, and i really dun see wtf the orlov's all about. "here's what i don't understand about astronomy" "ook ?"
mircea_popescu: there's really no point of the curent bs continuing. it's lived out its last, time to re-cluny the continent.
asciilifeform: 'death by tolerasty' aint even new, iirc we had a thread re the persion variant
asciilifeform: ... said the boronated silicon !
mircea_popescu: anyway -- to the folks playing host, it is interesting like a soviet food ratios stamp.
asciilifeform: at one time asciilifeform had a poster of hiv virus electromicrogram. it is very interesting-looking item. but i imagine to the folx playing host, it is interesting in very diff way..
mircea_popescu: while born with cunt, they get what cunts beget.
mircea_popescu: yes, the women are getting raped. that's what they're for. their "ideals" don't enter into this, thyey wanted ideals they shoulda been born with an ideals between the legs.
asciilifeform: to the inhabitants, however -- interesting.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't seem to work out to a better alternative ; a happenstance this current know-nothing party seems to be as blisfully unaware as the previous.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the only practical alternative to this "being the place everyone goes" is... "being the place everyone leaves", ie africa, russia, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-24#1829335 etcetera.
mircea_popescu: you can't ruin cunt by fucking, it's not made of soap ; and that's what europe is, the globe's cunt.
mircea_popescu: experimentally, barbarian invasion does not kill europe. not when the barbaric romans ruined the etruscan and greek vases, not when barbaric germans ruined the roman vases (you know iberia is originally a place in fucking azerbaijan, yes ?) not when etcetera.
mircea_popescu: the result of that "suicide" was http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826732 ; realise it or not, the difference between sicily and italy is described in true romance : "sicilians have nigger blood, because the moors were niggers".
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829629 << this constant worry at the margins and in the colonies as to "europe suicide". yes, obviously, if ~russia~ let a bunch of rando foreigners in, ~russia~ would disappear. but this is because russia isn't anything, let alone very much. europe is old, and throughout this oldness it "suicided" exactly in the manner described.
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-06-25 17:56:50: <lobbesbot> Logged on 2018-06-25 17:23:00: <mircea_popescu> in other lulz : http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-18.log.html#t21:39:48 ie 16.4mn is not http://lobbesblog.com/queryauctions/pricehistory/auction.php?AuctionId=221 ie 16.39999mn lobbes !!!1
mircea_popescu: that's quite like saying "this pile of javascript does indeed work". sure, it does, just like the item that produced http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-25.log.html#t17:56:50 worked.
ben_vulpes: in other reports, btcfor.gifts does indeed work for small amounts
trinque: ben_vulpes: got it; yeah, I'd say if it gets bolted on, inside the makefiles patch is a sensible place
trinque: I agree, promisetronic without the vtron getting angry at you over mismatched name
trinque: phf: thought I had there was that if you have only a manifest in hand, perhaps the name is useful in some dht lookup for the patches later
mod6: hmm. maybe not required in a technical sense. but i'd like it all to hang together, and be proper. for posterity.
phf: trinque: one reason i didn't include patch name in the manifest is because patch name becomes a promise, unless you enforce it by tooling. i didn't want to go that way, but since current standard manifest does include patch name, than perhaps V ought to check the manifest against the patchset. relatedly fully manifest-based v doesn't even need graph tooling, can presumably press according to manifest's chain.
trinque: what it means is that before that point, there isn't a manifest-enforced press order
mod6: because if so, then we need a new trb genesis. which doesn't effect v in anyway, just another pita for trb.
mod6: it's just a flat file that resides in the project, ya?
trinque: mod6: what do you imagine needs to change in a vtron to support the manifest?
trinque: phf: harping on it because I don't see evidence that reason for the manifest has been internalized
a111: Logged on 2018-06-15 17:26 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825631 << updated, but it's a novel way of using manifest though: normally it requires a regrind where manifest is built up as you go, so the press order is enforced through graph. right now your manifest gives a press order, that's not enforced by anything
phf: trinque: ftr we have the "introduce manifest now without regrind, use it moving forward" pattern already implemented once
mod6: Perhaps we need to 1: Formally adopt the manifest spec proposed by trinque, 2: build a V that supports it.
ben_vulpes: s/after makefiles/in the makefiles patch/
mod6: we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. but first and foremost, the manifest items seems alright to me; "$blockCount $patchTitle $patchAuthor $comment".
mod6: then perhaps all the things that are still not folded in can be in a second release, or just folded in without release.
mod6: I can delcare the v054 release with a manifest of my own ala: To declare a "release", an author's GNS pointer for a project would point to his selected manifest.
mod6: opting to regrind the entire tree, and whatever other vpatches that need to be folded in that currently are not.
trinque: wherever you introduce the manifest, if it is not the root, in order to involve it in the flow of the tree, that patch must also edit some other file.
mod6: i see ben's point, but i'd rather trb one whole thing, instead of a 'before manifest' and 'after manifest'.
ben_vulpes: well in theory, but in practice everything below makefiles already needs a regrind; aggression to request newblocks if none have been advertised recently; hash truncation atop that. so there's an opportunity to significantly reduce the amount of regrinding by introducing the manifest after the makefiles release and just regrinding 2 patches instead of the whole tree. unless i misread the situation.
trinque: as the tree stands now, one in makefiles.vpatch, iirc
trinque: ben_vulpes: because the manifest has no antecedent, and you're gonna have to go graffiti other files like an idiot
ben_vulpes: mod6: my original q was in re why regrinding the whole tree is necessary instead of introducing the manifest now and using it going forward
ben_vulpes: it's a single file that collapses the tree into a pillar
trinque: there ~are no~ manifest capabilities to be had
mod6: is his lisp version of V to become the new defacto thing that has manifest capabilities?
ben_vulpes: shouldn't matter in the slightest which v impl is used
mod6: anyway, I guess I'll have to put this on the conveyor and work through all of this.
mod6: Step two of the guide says "Ensure at least one of the following is installed:" "sbcl" or "ccl"
mod6: the "latest client" linked in the article: http://blog.esthlos.com/esthlos-v-genesis-or-who-presses-the-pressor/
trinque: mod6: http://trinque.org/2018/06/02/v-manifest-specification/ << can have the thread here if you like
mod6: i'll regrind the whole trb tree. however, I think if we -must- do this, we should only do it one time. and i really don't even want to do it at all.
ben_vulpes: for the sake of exploring the state space; it is more desirable to regrind the whole tree rather than to introduce the manifest at this point and use it going forward?
trinque: so if there's a hero around that wants to take that on, we can start getting trb patches out the door again.
ben_vulpes: and yeah, i could possibly put this time into humping trinque's wallet patches down the field
asciilifeform: prolly i'm the worst to ask, i hardly ever move coin
asciilifeform: btw manual curation of unspent coinz will be much moar practical once the thing stops nonsensically crapping out random addrs to 'change' to
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: at one time i tried to implement more or less same item you're making, and did the shiva thing, and in the end thought that whoever it was ( mircea_popescu ? ) who suggested that trb should simply eat ( and prompt to sign ) raw tx, generated externally via scripts, was right
ben_vulpes: and to think i spent all that time poring over the boost docs
mod6: well, there's also some syntactical problems, here's the fixes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TI85U/?raw=true
mod6: which also leads me to see that in your code, you're attempting to use an iterator to loop over a map<string, string> , and add the keys to argKeys. but you never did set the iterator to mapArgs.begin()
ben_vulpes: mod6: can i get a hand with some c++? i can't figure out how to iterate over the params array in sendtoaddresswithchange with boost or more naive iterators http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7TlSw/?raw=true
asciilifeform: typically the mod gotta be dumb in a particular way , for it to work tho
asciilifeform strongly suspects that the cartel won't mine such a tx while they have any choice about it, but that's another matter
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-26 02:33 ben_vulpes: i'm not familiar with the design imperative driving the individual transaction size limitation, is there a reason to keep an individual from making a 1mb transaction if they'd like to?\
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-6-26#388015 << continuing a thread from #p; i'm partway through reimplementing createtransaction such that it takes a change address; there's no reason to keep the individual transaction size limit, is there?
asciilifeform: this completes the set of extant (afaik) cr50 fritz keys , on phuctor .
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 21:52 asciilifeform: seen in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/c101pa_unlock_nodice.txt , 'RO keyid: 0xaa66150f(prod)' corresponds to keyid of #0, and 'RW keyid: 0xde88588d(prod)' is #2 ; #1 is '0xb93d6539' and not seen in the sysinfo msg, but does show up in early vers of fw (e.g. https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/400418 ) and prolly is dedicated nsakey
mod6: thanks for the script mircea_popescu!
BingoBoingo: In the latest update sometime within the next three days the fiber company will call to set up an appointment to install a pipe to the apartment.
BingoBoingo: I mean the part where a fob exists that isn't infineon
BingoBoingo: The chromebook appliance thing just keeps getting weirder
asciilifeform: the contents of the maskrom per se may or may not be valuable (it may contain an unofficial backdoor of whatever sort, or may not)
asciilifeform: #1 and #2 correspond to e.g. microshit's subkeys, the kind issued to driver vendors
asciilifeform: the runner-up prizes are #1 and #2, leakage of ~these~ would allow liberation of the existing cr50's, but the boojum of 'box in airport luggage can get reflashed via usb by enemy troops' would remain just as nao
asciilifeform: the leakage of its priv would be ~= thermonuke demolition of the whole edifice, they'd have to bake new mask roms
asciilifeform: if it happens that the crown j00lz end up within reach of mircea_popescu's black bags, the top prize, ftr, is key #0
asciilifeform: if it wasn't clear from the turdolade earlier, i'll note for the record : their published 'loader' is not ~entirely~ unrelated to the live one; it is, i suspect, prototype, from the fpga days
asciilifeform: i'ma stuff these too into phuctor for good measure.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: initially i thought it was possibly one of their 'dev keys', where the privs were at various points checked into their shithub ( since 'deleted' but unsurprisingly still visible with a small spot of work )
asciilifeform: ( does not occur in their sores repo whole )
asciilifeform: only the fp
mircea_popescu: well so then it is published ?
asciilifeform: yea i found buncha these
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing better than the short fp available to identify that #1 ?
asciilifeform: from preliminary dig, seems that there are at least 6 'people' with access to the hitler signer box.
asciilifeform: so prolly not infineon, in their 'fob'.
asciilifeform: ... but asciilifeform ran the litmus on'em, and no dice
asciilifeform: in related lulz, the google dev shithub etc do mention that they use a usb 'fob' for signing. which suggested that maybe infineon-lulz
asciilifeform: btw typo, 'also_keyid' etc is incorrect name, really it is a ptr to the modulus
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 20:19 diana_coman set up The Incredible Machine dos-version even for said child and he's totally hooked
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 20:10 mircea_popescu: well, until he gets to the point where he has a girl to lick him clean because tp's too rough, at any rate.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829504 << iirc even the meanest hotel in BingoBoingostan, has bidet
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 19:52 BingoBoingo: But its official. I now have the keys.
asciilifeform: fwiw i've confirmed that #1 is ~not~ any of the privkeys published at various times in their shithub.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-remove-usgalphabet-usually-called-google-by-the-jews-pantsuit-from-your-web-experience/ << Trilema - How to remove USG.Alphabet (usually called "google" by the jews & pantsuit) from your web experience.
asciilifeform: ( for n00bz / folx innocent of ida : the procedure names in the screenshits, are naturally asciilifeform's , they are not present in the bin )
asciilifeform: ^ phf , mircea_popescu , other interested folx ^
asciilifeform: seen in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/c101pa_unlock_nodice.txt , 'RO keyid: 0xaa66150f(prod)' corresponds to keyid of #0, and 'RW keyid: 0xde88588d(prod)' is #2 ; #1 is '0xb93d6539' and not seen in the sysinfo msg, but does show up in early vers of fw (e.g. https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/400418 ) and prolly is dedicated nsakey