asciilifeform: if you like faberge egg, yer outta luck, but on other hand if you like plastic eggs , with google firmware..
asciilifeform: generally -- the industrialist saw the artisan as a headache, and killed him. nao we get to 'enjoy' the fruits of de-artisan'ed industry.
asciilifeform: and so in erry case there was attempt to replace. the tailor, with 'singer' chix, the greybeard -- with google monkeys; the whole lot.
asciilifeform: for the demented purposes of 'mass konsoomer crud', it made +ev sense.
asciilifeform: upstack -- the 'deskilling' process is concerned specifically with removal of 'heroes' , e.g. mircea_popescu's hand-picked acrobats, and their replacement with grey biomass.
asciilifeform: what can they do, the Right Chix are evidently occupied, as mircea_popescu's drivers...
mircea_popescu: anwyay, i am not responsible for moronia recruiting the wrong chicks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was speaking of the living, lol
asciilifeform: evidently there is moar to that biznis than physiological punishment.
asciilifeform: so far all i know is re the tailhook thread.
asciilifeform: re drivers and their long legs : su mil establishment did various tests, and reportedly concluded that chix would make ideal pilots -- take moar g's, typically better reaction, can work under outrageous o2 deprivation, etc. but they did not go so far as to start recruiting'em en masse. the americans, however... did. many great feats of pilotage nao ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There's also the Rioplatense case of the bunnies that just... don't want to... Not if it doesn't involve cardboard sculpture
asciilifeform: trinque: that's the whole of asciilifeform's arg, aha
trinque: in the case of my sister, sails like a champ, just doesn't produce own wind. this seems entirely biologically appropriate for her.
asciilifeform: folx with 'frustration threshold' set to 9000, and who go on 0 benders, ~can~ become , in principle, mircea_popescu's driver, or mega-ww2 nurse who handles 9000 wounded per hr when suddenly roused at 4 in the morning, or some other astonishing and meritorious thing. but the moar typically observed pattern, afaik, is the biorobot.
asciilifeform: in su factories also was a thing, 'we hire females because they don't bender'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know there's a quote for this, and it goes like "Just because females could endure anything does not mean they should is my view I suppose"
asciilifeform: upstack -- for whatever reason, the lowell mills and straight to modern chinesium plants, use chix, they seem more content to perform repeated program all day, erry day.
trinque recently hired sister in an "answer the phone, handle all shitshows" role. job's literally "fill all gaps", hits things she never trained for all day.
asciilifeform: ( for all i knew , the 'she' was also a trained all-terrain racer , etc )
mircea_popescu: could be that women are actually better drivers, if not fucked in the head by idiot mother/bf combo.
asciilifeform: prolly bad example, nao that i think of it, pretty much any multidecade driver, incl. asciilifeform , would've handled the eggog correctly, in 50ms ( allowing for length of his legs )
mircea_popescu: "utterly fucking broken down system of major complexity -- i have identified correct way out and the pedal goes down"
mircea_popescu: girl drove ~through~ rather than stopping and choking my engine.
mircea_popescu: well... consider the recently discussed case of amphibian landing.
asciilifeform: all broke down in snot ? or did a leader arise among'em, and direct repairs, give marching orders to the rest
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wouldja care to share how they reacted, in 2+ mass, to the water outage ?
mircea_popescu: there's no way known to measure individual particles, they use particle interaction, yes ?
mircea_popescu: how do you discern if you're measuring the fermion's flavour rather than the tool's flavour ?
asciilifeform: arbitrarily deeply trainable in specifics, but they tend to collapse under 'this system i did not even know existed, has broken down', is my impression.
asciilifeform: granted asciilifeform has 1 pet, and not 9000. but regularly witnesses the water pump scenario.
mircea_popescu: yes, but it ain't about "minor unexpected" either. it's that i was there, it has everything to do with me and how much she wants to please/impress/etc.
asciilifeform: but about ability to deal with the unexpected, the nonstandard. this i see as measure of 'capital S' skill.
asciilifeform: i can only presume that the subj gurl was as well-taught as any mircea_popescu patient
asciilifeform: and the wastebaskets
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall the episode with your burned out water pump ?
mircea_popescu: this much is rather factual.
mircea_popescu: i wonder what the link is.
asciilifeform: he was discussion the deskilling. which, yes, related.
mircea_popescu: you think these related ?
a111: Logged on 2017-02-18 22:29 asciilifeform: '... what was once dedication is replaced by greed and sometimes sheer need as the motivation to enter the field.'
a111: Logged on 2012-08-24 01:31 EmanuelDeOrtego_: I like that there are so many women involved with Bitcoin.
asciilifeform: variously repeated item, it is in one of the programming-related trilemas at the very least
mircea_popescu: in less lofty matters, do you happ[en to recall where the fuck i said essentially "women are the societal scar tissue, by the time males start leaving a field and women start joining it, it's fucked" ?
asciilifeform: if it had been written to a standard of 'i throw a dart, and you , programonkey, WILL justify the existence of this line, or die' the coadbase would weigh 1MB .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the extant babel does not contribute to nonspecificity-of-diddling. if anything, quite the opposite.
mircea_popescu: well yes, the protabilityhell starts with printf, which is why phf was using that as example.
mircea_popescu: and if effort is made, no more specificity of diddling, cr51 for them all ?
mircea_popescu: seems the likely course, neh ?
asciilifeform: if folx continue to operate 27 pointlessly incompatible platforms, and burn their lives fiddling with otherwise healthy coad to make it go on'em, what can i say, the gods have cursed'em and it is not in my power to uncurse
asciilifeform: and whatever is in my hands that can contribute to the extermination of the pointless babel, i'ma push.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dunno if i will live to see the end of nonstandard iron / os / junkyard wars. but would like to, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: but i suspect you will rue this day if you were to actually get your way, and at some point in 2118 all the work available consists of "try and write this thing from tree y for tree z, we don't currently know why it's a broken polymorphism to the x tree"
asciilifeform: my orig point -- asciilifeform won't be in the future signing coad that he is not equipped to run / study in detail.
asciilifeform: it is my understanding that they tossed'em 1500 or so yrs back.
mircea_popescu: to bring this flock back to the manger : what you choose to cut out to stay afloat in the postmodern deluge of intellectual objects is your choice!
mircea_popescu: this is traditionally the view of rabbis re bulk of commentary mass.
asciilifeform: and this is the way it is.
asciilifeform: if microshit ends up back from the dead and intellectually dominating the darkfyootoor , it can continue the old branch, and old dead asciilifeform won't be able to do a thing about it
asciilifeform: the kabbalist is intellectually ahead of the ifdefist -- he reads what he comments/copies.
mircea_popescu: seems the ifdef approach to the problem is more in the vein of the kaballah+commentary (ie, the right thing) than in the vein of the xtian "translated scripture" + "megachurch", ie, idiocy.
asciilifeform: what asciilifeform would like, is at the very least to stop elongating the dead branches himself. and to stop encouraging others. for this, it is necessary to actually cut the variants into branches.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-16 20:13 mircea_popescu: anyway, to get back to the 2nd fold of the error : the NOTION of translation is pernicious, and stuff like the protestant lulz of "church of self-esteem" or "we choose to emphasize <bla>" are not unbound errors.
asciilifeform: granted if they differ in pointless/trivial ways, e.g. targeting extinct iron, that's on the conscience of the folx continuing to elongate (supposing any exist) those branches.
asciilifeform: they ain't same thing, tho
mircea_popescu: having 27 independent restatements of the ~same thing is not intellectually dirty ?
mircea_popescu: or rather, because people would prefer a single trunk for all machines, diversely broken, than a trunk for each kind of breakage.
asciilifeform: they exist because machines were broken ~and~ author lacked v.
mircea_popescu: ifdefs don't flow from prime principles, they're no if.
mircea_popescu: but yes the reason ifdefs exist is because machines are broken.
asciilifeform: i dun object to junkyard wars -- if and where we must. but there is even there a 'up tree' and 'down tree' approach.
mircea_popescu: that's the problem here. "1. we have these machines ; 2. we know they're broken ; 3. alf objects to the curative process either because he doesn't like its name or because that which cureth could make ill."
asciilifeform: it's perhaps the most illustrative argument, of folx who oughta know better, issuing the others with ladder with which to climb back into proverbial tree.
mircea_popescu: no argument. but what is the ibm xt compatible, climbing down or back up ?
asciilifeform: the 2 apes require very diff approaches. for one, it is possible to think of something like engineering. for other -- train, the way one trains circus seals.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 18:24 mircea_popescu: no, let's also de-equivocate think. there's two kinds of think, one's a forge/reflow/examination of trees resulting in analytical consumption of inputs with actionable outputs guaranteed ; the other is a neurotic behaviour perhaps best described as spinning, whereby specific emotional triggers / detriggers are visited in succession. the prussian model was never concerned with the former in any sense, but merely aimed to elimi
mircea_popescu: so where do you put the killer micro ?
asciilifeform: 'specific countermeasures' are imho rather wrongheaded approach. step1 is to correctly sort the shaved apes into the type that tries ( with variable success ) to climb ~down~ from trees, and the type which (ditto) ~back up~, and proceed from there
mircea_popescu: to which alf answers "sorry, i only fuck 19yos, i can't tell you why the tits sag" and i go "sure you do, but other people not as fortunate."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now that all this is out of the way : would you say specific countermeasures people with known physiology take to avoid known psychopathology are engineering or not ? and if yes, what to yoi object in ifdefs besides the name ?
mircea_popescu: which takes us straight back to http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
mircea_popescu: this much is true, yes. "how come mothers always know what the kids' been up to ?!?!?!?!" "riiight. because kids are so fucking original."
asciilifeform: the multilayered pile of ??? produced by 'programmer', is not so diff from schoolboy's pile of layered , tottering excuses for not having done the proverbial homework
asciilifeform: ( same braincase, also observe, seems to be optimized -- in factory model -- for baking justifications/bamboozlements/'cheque is in the mail' nonsense; and when applied to the technical , reliably produces 'surprisingly identical' piles of shit, also not surprising )
mircea_popescu: the reliability is starting to get to me.
asciilifeform: re the 3+5=11's , for some small # of possible values of 11, it dun strike me as in any way astonishing that folx with the same physiology will suffer same psychopathologies.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, asciilifeform 's lizard hitler hypothesis is exact modern restatement of ye olde "civilisation started by aliens" theory, which was precisely because belle epoque thinking folk threw their hands up over this exact stability.
asciilifeform: dun differ so much from the , what, half of the planet that thought that they think with their stomach
mircea_popescu: stone age tribe unknown to mankind, lost in the endless wastes of today's "Sakha Republic" and stone age tribe unknown to mankind, lost in the guarani lands in south america all agree, 3+5 = 11.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am starting to feel exactly like golden age antrhopologists cca 1800s going "how the fuck did these primitives who didn't even sail manage to have ~the same myths~ ?"
asciilifeform: it ain't any sort of surprise that they're all identical; next, what, wonder why all pigsty look ~same
asciilifeform: with the styrofoam boxes, piles of ???, et
mircea_popescu: how do they even know to do this ? not like they're studying each other! fuck, not like they even have the ability to meet, or even speak.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you remember your essay re 'neet' chix and their ~identical bedrooms ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-26 21:27 mircea_popescu: once my seething rage piped down it occured to me that "dood, what you're almost entirely about is a rejection of the lamenormal. why are you wondering that consummate normalcy gets you pissed off and why are you surprised it produces itself ?!"
mircea_popescu: it's just shocking to me how ~perdurant~ certain thought patterns are. in continuation of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829978 ; because ~how the fuck~ is it the case i'd find the same stupidity implemented by some orc kids in some video game engine wanna-be as usg's own brahmin german put in the post-zimmermann pgp massacre ?
asciilifeform deals in the restoration/repair of exactly this type of artifact , in the saeculum, and so can picture
diana_coman: asciilifeform, that is the deepest level of shit; sort of dungeon style, gotta peel them off one by one
mircea_popescu: "let's make keys, and let's give them indices that aren't guarantee to not collide, and then let's regexp match indices in this indexed list by AN EVEN SHORTER PATTERN"
mircea_popescu: to recover/match the indices.
diana_coman: one of the many ways client croaks from time to time
phf: well, like i said from that perspective there's nothing left to do, cygwin is not supported.
mircea_popescu: and in practice, too. Mocky 's out there trying to run a eulora toolchain on windows i think, peterl trying to vtool on cygwin, etc
asciilifeform: it is The Right Thing.
mircea_popescu: hence the multi-tree comment earlier. this seems inescapable.
asciilifeform: i am not equipped to test the e.g. ppc routines; and ill-equipped to study'em and certify. and really if somebody wants'em badly, he oughta make use of v and make his branch.
asciilifeform: consider why asciilifeform removed the #ifdefolade ( and consequently, ALL asm inlines ) from mpi.
mircea_popescu: the signature is as to reading, ie, performative, i joe did this. it is not as to the world, ie, declarative, "sticks and stones won't break your bones".
asciilifeform: these dun 'run' at all
asciilifeform: this is entirely troo. in the simplest case, consider, comments
asciilifeform: when you sign a snipped containing #ifdef pdp ... wtf() #endif , you are , unless explicitly otherwise claimed, signing a thing that you haven't the foggiest notion of running, or even statically digging into
mircea_popescu: phf nevertheless, his argument is reductionist not categorical. saying "all men die, even those without pneumonia" is not a good reason for bb to not go see doctor.
phf: asciilifeform: i'm still unconvinced by this line of argument, and not on technical merits. i think there's a point that i can't articulate, about what it is that you're signing exactly. an if-def-less code suffers from the same problem that you're trying to apply to ifdef specifically. i can't sign that printf is not malicious on the target machine.
asciilifeform: witness, for instance, how the linux kernel became a 'katamari' of shit-you-will-never-run-even-if-you-live-for-9000-yrs
mircea_popescu: coherence is after all expensive, and yet-another statement of "the core of this here republic" would be that we don't value coherence above our own heads.
mircea_popescu: so it'd seem the directly evident solution is also correct : let him pull out all ifdefs and let you maintain them, and if this means divergent-same trees, what of it.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-18 20:11 mircea_popescu: and all this goes right into that older thread of ambiguity, orthogonality and language -- you can never make a language that's orthogonal and ~useful~ in the natural sense. let alone "that anyone'd want to use".
mircea_popescu: the problem though remains, and it goes right into ye olde orthogonality and language discussion ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772426 ) : for sigs to mean anything useful they must not mean anything systematical.
asciilifeform: the correct way to handle the 'gotta change these 17 things to work on pdp11' problem is: v.
mircea_popescu: in the sense of dad telling sons*
mircea_popescu: phf the "considering that no one but myself have signed vtool" argument is disingenuous in the sense that of telling sons "considering i'm the only one fucking anything...". dami tempu ca ti pirtusu
asciilifeform: re ifdef, n00bz are invited to study how the c preprocessor worx, and shudder at e.g. the fact that they can contain ~other~ ifdef's, which in turn can change the meaning of ~any~ string in the proggy
phf: this argument also applies to the entirety of code off the happy path. "but dollars to doughnuts if you dun have <particularly situation> you won't bother reading its <conditional blocks>".
mircea_popescu: on the other hand of this argument, "hey mp, what time is it ?" "when ? now ? or when you asked me ?"
asciilifeform: but dollars to doughnuts if you dun have e.g. pdp11, you won't bother reading its ifdef blocks; and supposing you did read'em, your grasp of what takes place inside won't be worth much if you don't regularly inhabit that platform
asciilifeform: correct, the 'could' is inaccessible.
asciilifeform: on the requisite platforms etc
asciilifeform: phf: that's rather exactly what you're signing when you sign a proggy with inactivated #ifdefolade
phf: well, vpatches without one true genesis implicitly bring in the world
asciilifeform: phf: however it ends up defined, signing coad you could not possibly have run, and which -- given how c worx -- could contain literally ~anything~ -- can't possibly be The Right Thing
phf: well, in principles i'm not buying the untested code signing argument, because we don't have a universal measure for what code signing indicates. you've attempted to solve that problem, but it's not been used by anyone. i think right now effectively code signing works like a wot rating, without a rating. you have to consult with the signer to discover what the intent was.
asciilifeform: it is for this reason that asciilifeform cut most ( unfortunately not all, there is room for improvement! ) ifdefolade, out of trb.
asciilifeform: because otherwise, folx are in effect signing coad they could not possibly have tested.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 18:18 phf: vtools are already pre-heathened, support apple and freebsd
asciilifeform: programming already mostly done under anaesthetic, consider how many of the practitioners won't even report for dooty if they're out of $substance
mircea_popescu: i hope you're as impressed as me with the nude and rude, "ask a question, get an answer, this isn't fucking about".
asciilifeform: still seems like 'if yer sexing requires anaesthesia, yer doing sumthing wrong' but what do i know.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the cocaine mystery resolved by the conclave of girls that know all sexual things (tm) : yes strongest local anesthetic ; the thing called "face fucking" (ye olde irrumatio, as in "paedicabo ego vos et irrumabo") requires a skilled practitioner on the receiving side. if doctor prefers to fuck other people's wives, anesthesia help.s
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phf: vtools are already pre-heathened, support apple and freebsd
phf: but where this subthread started "_outside of linux/bsd_ code is probably not going to work, and the approach is to look at the configuration header file and patch it _for your system_
phf: well, in that case the problem is already solved. if PeterL were to install cuntoo with musl (or without) vtools will build.
asciilifeform: i abolished it in trb ( rotor ) , ave1 -- for gnat, and really ought to end with the logical conclusion, standard cuntoo musl/headers/gcc.
asciilifeform: the nonsense where each builder has own ball of ??? masquerading as a working toolchain/headers/etc set, has gone on long enuff imho
phf: that's not the source of the issue though, musl is libc, all the other libc's also support the entirety of libc, the horror crawls through the parts where no libc or posix or whatever exists. for example byteswapping code is not in there
phf: well, not until we also start providing our own, portable libc with all the possible portable functionality included. like bswap64 in this case
phf: PeterL: the approach that we've been taking with legacy C code is pulling out autotools, and replacing with a single #ifdef/.. configuration header. outside of linux/bsd code is probably not going to work, and the approach is to look at the configuration header file (http://btcbase.org/patches/vdiff_sha_static/tree/vtools/src/system.h#L145 in case of vtools) and patch it for your system
PeterL: is the token SWAP_BE64 something that you don't have to define on good systems?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 15:16 PeterL: hi, I was just trying to build the vtools, and I ran into this problem: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AuLgQ/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: I have my doubts that they do. They ones who do it here are mostly bums getting hight off of low content waste products.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do the inca ( err, the classical ones, in south a. ) have analogous enzyme for coca ?
asciilifeform: aha, hence the typical end of career, where d00d cools heels in a jail for a spell, then, gets out, buys his old dose, 'celebrate'
mircea_popescu: anyway, the world is full of junkies going "he-he, 1 gram cocaine ld50, i once bla bla bla". yes, obviously, if you do enough it stops doing anything whatsoever eventually. but in civillians...
asciilifeform: in reich courts, facts are entirely optional, 'mens rea' suffices, 'he thought it was a genuine death ray', 'he bought the sugar from usg agent thinking it was cocaine, guilty of 25 pound of cocaine, 25 to life, next' etc.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason doctors don't deliver medicine this way, you know ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really, if it's uncut and the woman's unused, she can croak just fine out of a sprinkling.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in peculiar deaths, "Dr. Andreas Niederbichler, 42, put cocaine on his penis before the unnamed 38-year-old woman went down on him. Police say Niederbichler did the same thing with three other women."
asciilifeform: three doors down from the one where they make the 'grenade launcher' that is inevitably somehow found in erry busted house
mircea_popescu: http://www.wfmj.com/story/37983171/ypd-finds-suspected-heroin-hidden-in-hairbrush << seems they have a factory of Evidence Hairbrush
asciilifeform: presumably in the handles ?
mircea_popescu: i don't get the hairbrushes twist. is cocaine supposed to look like dandruff or what ?!
asciilifeform finds it quite impossible to refute this hypothesis with data available to him
mircea_popescu: as far as anyone knows, usg is still churning the same bitcoin dust it got by clicking on faucets back in 2012. first it "sold it" via the usms scam, now it "captured" it and so following.
asciilifeform: day at the circus.
asciilifeform: 'McMonegal then laundered the Bitcoin proceeds of his drug distribution through an undercover agent located in New York. After receiving the Bitcoin from McMonegal, the undercover agent mailed parcels of cash to McMonegal in San Luis Obispo and Mariposa' << wat even.
mircea_popescu: eh, whole stack of nonsense so tall by now, attempts to interact with it on the face indistinguishable from pardoy.
asciilifeform: this just gets lulzier, 'Porras and Vue then laundered the Bitcoin proceeds of their drug distribution through the HSI undercover agent located in New York' << hey mircea_popescu didja know that btc had to be 'laundered' ?
asciilifeform: 'At the time of arrest, law enforcement had already seized approximately $437,000 in cryptocurrencies from Powell' << do they have some very speshul hot irons installed at police station nao, or how else 'time of arrest' cokemachine.
asciilifeform: '...numerous U.S. Postal Service shipping boxes, already addressed to customers around the United States, which boxes contained hairbrushes some of which had already been packed with powder cocaine for distribution' << lol!!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830123 >> 'Seizure of nearly 2,000 Bitcoins and other cryptocurrencies ... Bitcoin mining devices, computer equipment' << waterfall is well-fed this summer
BingoBoingo: Right, the wot fixes that problem. A recommendation only hostel wouldn't get that kind of vermin
BingoBoingo: In other news the Junkie from http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/03/02/notes-from-observing-a-latino-junkie-on-vacation/ is back. I don't know what the fuck happened to the apartment he "bought" in Punta Del Este. Of all the people from earlier who could have returned before I left it had to be the scumbag trying his very hardest to die.
BingoBoingo: The biggest problem with the hostel model as I've seen is that the "anyone can book" aspect means at least once a month someone who isn't fit to sleep with the cattle ends up not only staying, but frequently overstaying.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That could be a thing in the future
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
PeterL: hi, I was just trying to build the vtools, and I ran into this problem: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AuLgQ/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: And the Fiber monopoly just called. Installation scheduled for next week.
mircea_popescu: living with the cattle set to make a resurgence soonish.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They've had versions already including living with the parents until the parents croak and the ghetto pensions which appear to be a Latino implementation of the traditional English "bedsit"
BingoBoingo: In other news, the Uruguayos reinvented the hostel and the pension in still more retarded form https://www.elobservador.com.uy/coliving-una-tendencia-vivienda-que-busca-su-lugar-uruguay-n1247718
mircea_popescu: who might you be, then ?
mircea_popescu: "no static linking" is how you say "no actual ownership of anything" in the context of computer programming and "i am heavily into consent" is how you say "no static linking" in the context of sexual practice and so fucking following.
mircea_popescu: all i can see from this chair is a bunch of "please care about us" peculiar toolings. exactly the gates gambit of 1980s.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, if anyone explains the difference between a) "an strong independent women" (hey, at least she omitted the s plural, inexplicably) ; b) "ssl is good for you and openssh bla bla bla tor bla bla hurr" ; c) http://qntra.net/2018/06/australia-ramps-up-flight-security-theater-with-powder-restrictions/ http://qntra.net/2018/06/british-court-places-rappers-under-musical-court-supervision-for-3-years/ etc etc, i'
mod6: ah, not too bad! need coffee, just catching up on the log.
asciilifeform: aaah, these
mircea_popescu: the foregoing is strictly and absolutely true, by the way, not a stitch of fabrication (on either the story or the slut involved, for that matter).
mircea_popescu: if she didn't have me, she'd be actually in the dark.
mircea_popescu: there she is, rubbing herself by candle light like a god damned monkey
mircea_popescu: you get me, misfortunate slut trying to escape the banana republic ? lives in one of the top 10 "majorest urban centers" in that decrepit shithole
mircea_popescu: but since we're doing flavours, here's a bit of flavour : this certain slut's not been allowed to cum for a long time now, i won't get into the details. as i'm running out of unpleasant things to make her to to herself (btw, ever had a girl rub salt in her snatch ?), she got ordered to buy some nice thick candles ("you got candles ?" "you mean like tealights ?") and deepthroat them while dripping wax on her snatch and rubbing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or, for that matter, to the feat of interfacing with fetlife.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 00:12 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the ongoin glulz, Biology-Babe 19F sub "I may be submissive by kink, but I am an strong independent women." LordMPofTMSR "Everyone thinks so." Biology-Babe "Jesus Christ. Fucking respect me you misogynistic douche" LordMPofTMSR "Nah."
asciilifeform: ( pretty much requires dedicated box where you set up ~their~ crapola, all the way down , to build any of it )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-26 21:20 hanbot: mircea_popescu by design apple exists to try and make you use its thing, whether it's some itam or some os or some cable, and it'll make things maximally unpleasant for anyone not on the bandwagon, at any point where the nonapple and the apple touch.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman has the whole list if you're curious.
asciilifeform: they run on trooly vertically-integrated arse-mouth system, verily; asciilifeform to this day has not succeeded in building any of their 'open' sores of e.g. cr50
mircea_popescu: in the instant case, it's about 200k loc of nsa strange + of course all sorts of undesirable dependencies (such as... cmake)
mircea_popescu: i think they're making a browser and a compiler also.
mircea_popescu: have their own "programming languages" and "toolkits" for all sorts of crap. therein included, a "testing framework".
mircea_popescu: google does all sorts of "useful" things, basically trying to copy the tmsr model. they have a "google fonts" thing half the sites on the internet link (and in the process, give usg details on the zeks whereabouts every so often) ; they have a "code repository" about a quarter the sites on the internet link (this is instrumental in the multi-mb liquid shit webpage era -- 0 cost liquid shit provided by usg's own alphabet. they
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 21:55 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-remove-usgalphabet-usually-called-google-by-the-jews-pantsuit-from-your-web-experience/ << Trilema - How to remove USG.Alphabet (usually called "google" by the jews & pantsuit) from your web experience.
mircea_popescu: aaand in other lulz, "if (int16 (CS::Threading::AtomicOperations::Decrement (&typeAndRefCount) & 0xffff) <= 0)
mircea_popescu: terribad ; but to add idiocy to idiocy, they use и instead of N because won't thart be authentic. so you end up with "JOHИ" derpopovich.
mircea_popescu: and in other holy shit pantsuitidiocy, the world of wankfic historical rewrites doesn't begin or end with tarantino's "inglorious basterds" imbecility. there's also something called "in tranzit", with the malkovitch moron. about how women can be like, persons and things, dontcha know, even in 1946.
mircea_popescu: yeah, the downmovement caught you overcapitalized/underequipped did it.
ben_vulpes: i definitely don't know how to organize or drive sales, doing what i see needs doing, and what gets suggested to me, and float my own (bad) ideas. i'm in no way attached to "fiat things". because the exchange rate is eroding capitalization so brutally i thought it worthwhile to take another one on the chin in case this particular bad idea had some flake of merit in it.
mircea_popescu: and they also implement the latest european commision directive or w/e they call the bullshit in-game.
mircea_popescu: there's about 500 billion fiat-like isps. you can probably buy euro-denominated bonds fron hetzner or ovh or w/e as it is.
mircea_popescu: so is the idea your contribution sums up to "i don't know how to organize sales and why don't we do more fiat things" ?
ben_vulpes: and with clickbank not touching btc, 'a(nonymous)-ads' out for not being in the wot all these years, i'm back to the drawing board on where to buy ads/how to drive traffic
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo has made http://pizarroisp.net/shared-hosting/ and finessed the copy on the rest of the site; isn't a/b testing on landing pages what you do after putting cash down on a CPM/CPC/CPA program?
mircea_popescu: traditionally there's a landing page involved.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo and lobbes have been working the hosting forums, i don't know what 'funnel' to put together other than get folks to sign into the #pizarro chat room and get them accounts
mircea_popescu: does the thing have salespeople / funnel up yet ?
ben_vulpes: if mircea_popescu would spare a lecture on the notion, ex the usg gassing constraint, i would read intently.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the 'shartupists' are agents of usg crown in good standing.
asciilifeform assumed that ben_vulpes simply duncare re moving up in the gassing queue
asciilifeform: them
mircea_popescu: is this the "industrial silocone butt injection" ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, i could also start a medicine w/o a license sideline for the same money.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: probably the jooblocker
a111: Logged on 2018-06-26 02:26 mod6: thanks for the script mircea_popescu!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the ongoin glulz, Biology-Babe 19F sub "I may be submissive by kink, but I am an strong independent women." LordMPofTMSR "Everyone thinks so." Biology-Babe "Jesus Christ. Fucking respect me you misogynistic douche" LordMPofTMSR "Nah."
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/26/and-then-there-was-light/ << Bingo Blog - And Then There Was Light
ben_vulpes: if a 'javier' name shows up and my attention is elsewhere, someone please up the fellow, i'd like to build bridges out of lbtc and he might be one
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'll be the 1st to point out that this puzzler is out of asciilifeform's depth, lessee what mircea_popescu thinks