trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-12#1833748 << this I did to allow building the system as a USB-attached external drive, which could later be plugged in as primary hd and still boot. recall I started my gentoo experiments with "infectious gentoo" as a target
BingoBoingo: Anyone care to guess what refrigerant is coursing through the new Panavox 100 liter fridge Carlos Gutiarrez just dropped off?
asciilifeform: ( granted, nobody actually knows, these folx are fold of printing identical legend and keeping same vendor:usbid while fiddling something or other )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: interesting. these are both chinese pl2303 , nominally identical.
BingoBoingo: On this box one of the FG cables is the blue guy that came with my personal FG, the other is the new style black snake
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ty for putting it in the log, i'd like to find the answer to the riddle.
asciilifeform: ( btw if anybody discovers a viable replacement for the pl2303 snake that dun cost an arm and leg and dun include flashable chips, i'd like to hear about it )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, I will certainly carry out the tests ofc but this was what I observed atm
asciilifeform: ( above 7, pl2303 driver starts doing something odd, the boxes still work but several times slower )
asciilifeform: i've operated up to 7 on 1 linux box simultaneously , without problems ( the linux usb tweak from section 2 of operating manual http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html is required if using 3 or greater )
asciilifeform: i have my box set to stty... both on boot, so i never observed this effect. possible quirk of the pl2302 driver. i recommend , as in any battlefield installation of FG, to carry out the s.nsa-recced tests.
diana_coman: yes, now they both work, hence my wtf
asciilifeform: diana_coman: we'll have to ask BingoBoingo to open the lid and inspect the lights on both FG .
diana_coman: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo access to box & config confirmed; FG on ttysUSB0 had a wobble at first and I don't understand why: I ran the stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok and then tried dd iflag=fullblock if=/dev/ttyUSB0 | hexdump -C but nothing came up; then I ran the stty on usb1 as well and tried again and it...worked; any idea wtf was that at first?
brazilish: the usual brazilian guy
asciilifeform: but possibly this oughta wait for trinque's return and for the remaining fine-tunings to cuntoo .
asciilifeform: 1 of the things i'd like to do, supposing trinque hasn't yet already made it, is to replace the horrid gui-laden boot usb stick currently in pizarro bilge, with a cuntoo stick.
asciilifeform: hats off to trinque , pretty great item. ( as i understand , we will still need a troo tmsr tarballs mirror, and coupla other things. but it's a good start, 100% musltronic gentoo. )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: when diana_coman gives the signal that box is good to work, can remove kvm snakes and boot stick.
BingoBoingo: Do my hands need to do anything to the box? Unplug things, etc?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: at the risk of pedantry -- all of the pasted items, other than (4) , exist on your box's disk , exactly as pasted.
asciilifeform: ( afaik this is the first battlefield test of cuntoo. )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: aite. do not hesitate to ask, if the purpose of particular change , or anything else, is unclear.
diana_coman: yes, hence my "I get it that some parts were of public interest too but they can be discussed anyway, with ref to a paste of the stuff if needed "
diana_coman: asciilifeform, will do; atm I'm gathering all the stuff from the log; wouldn't it make more sense next time to just send it together with access stuff? I get it that some parts were of public interest too but they can be discussed anyway, with ref to a paste of the stuff if needed
asciilifeform: diana_coman: possibly i'm mistaken , will have to actually try the new vtool ( and whether it can be pressed with traditional vtron ) .
diana_coman: asciilifeform, it's on, you wrote it while I was writing mine and it got into the moderating queue
ave1: Some thought about the zero footprint / minimal runtime image.
asciilifeform: 8) the kernel trinque's system ended up building, is preserved in /boot/bk . it boots, but dun see nic or FG, on account of rejecting modulism
asciilifeform: 5) nic config is in /etc/conf.d/net and /etc/resolv.conf , if diana_coman wants to change the former for any reason plz talk to pizarro folk 1st
asciilifeform: trinque's original also does something i consider ugly, it allows lilo to refer to disks/partitions by 'uuid' rather than device path, imho this should not be done ( it resembles poettering's warcrime against nic device names, and makes hand-tuning needlessly difficult )
asciilifeform: (3) contains 2 mistakes by asciilifeform re partition map; ergo , i wrote a 4) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A94DS/?raw=true << install-corrected.sh << which reflects necessary changes to partition map ( and removes the console-via-rs232 that remained from trinque's orig experiment )
asciilifeform: 3) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7JDg0/?raw=true << install.sh that was actually used to build the whole orchestra;
asciilifeform: the 1 non-trinquian component is the kernel, which is bitwise identical to what is on 1) dulap 2) the primary s.mg box. fortunately kernel carries own libc, musltronicity dun affect it. but the trinquian kernel src and my original config is still there, as well as my config for the iron; it is possible for diana_coman to later build the kernel with trinque's gcc, what is needed is to transform my config so that all necessary modules
asciilifeform: trinque's gcc, btw, is exactly as was printed on the crate, x86_64-gentoo-linux-musl 4.9.4
diana_coman: asciilifeform, re ssh key, pizarro already has mine, just use that one; re box: I've read through the logs and in the end I'm still confused as to *what* is in there now - is it musltronic system or not?
mircea_popescu: incidentally... i can't fucking believe the 2010s failed to produce a pornstar named justine beaver.
trinque: thx for trying the item!
asciilifeform: say, builds modular kernel once, then lsmod, parse output, then builds cemented kernel with same parts.
trinque: I do in fact have an initramfs tool also sitting on desk. portage makes it rather easy to blast ebuilds into an arbitrary chroot at install
asciilifeform: in the end there is no compelling reason to have modulism on box where iron dev aint happening.
trinque: asciilifeform: looking forward to your feedback on the thing, which we'll work into a final product
trinque: other than that, I'd be curious why the hell the kernel wasn't capable of pulling an adult root up itself. usually this is because the kernel was again, built for allcomers, or more specifically for linux users afraid of configuring a kernel (present company excluded, of course). this ends.
trinque: as for initramfs-ism, it has its place (i.e. embedded systems with peculiar root, squashfs + overlayfs or the like)
trinque: but aside that, pretty fucking cool you stood the thing up, as it was a scrape of my workbench into tarball and sig
trinque: seems upon the man building the kernel for allcomers to justify himself, as my kernels are narrower
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 22:55 asciilifeform: trinque: lemme get this straight, your script does 0 with kernel modules ? expectation is that there ain't any ?
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833642 << I am racist against modulism, as long expressed and explicit in the script
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ty for the arms- and leg-work BingoBoingo << No problem
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sitting in customs with the ssds
asciilifeform: that was the bottleneck earlier
asciilifeform: incidentally, BingoBoingo , ben_vulpes , what's the status of the usb2ttl cable crate ?
mod6: I think we've got enough to get us by for the time being. but if we do a rockchip order of 96 or whatever, then we're gonna be short by something like 60. (given each rc customer would take like 1 fg eac)
mod6: fair enough then.
asciilifeform: i'd also like to be rid of xilinx sooner rather than later.
asciilifeform: i'd really rather not, tho, they are extremely labour-intensive to test, on acct of the very modest speed of entropy generation.
asciilifeform: mod6: there is a design for lyso crystal next-gen FG, but not yet baked.
mod6: right, but I had thought that perhaps s.nsa was gonna have smore baked, if there was a formal order for moarar.
asciilifeform: mod6: there are not currently any moar FGs to be had .
mod6: perhaps I just need to do some log searching. feel free to tell me just to hit the logs.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let's still hold on pulling kvm & stick until customer blesses the box.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and when you wake up, plox to check the connections.
mod6: werd, thanks for the hard-work & update tho asciilifeform
asciilifeform: mod6: given the hour, i suspect that our customer is asleep , so s.mg-on-cuntoo will prolly happen tomorrow.
asciilifeform: ty for the arms- and leg-work BingoBoingo
mod6: Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, my personal node is again fully sync'd and chugging along. I have re-added it to the list of advertised republican nodes.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo : tomorrow morning , plox to visit the cellar and carefully remove the ipkvm from the box, and cut mains to the ipkvm; also remove the usb stick from said box.
asciilifeform: however the box is online at 161.0.121.202 & ready for cuntoo userland's alpha testing . ( 1st thing you will want to do is prolly to install ave1's gnat . )
asciilifeform: currently i am not able to make use of trinque's builder ( even though i fed it my kernel config verbatim ) as it does not handle the building and installation of the ramdisk where modules live ( dulap kernel is not presently cleansed of modulism )
asciilifeform: soooooo diana_coman , mircea_popescu , i was able to bring up the box strictly by copying over a copy of my own dulap kernel
asciilifeform: trinque: lemme get this straight, your script does 0 with kernel modules ? expectation is that there ain't any ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you can leave the thing alone for nao
BingoBoingo: brb, Going to grab some vegetales while they are close
asciilifeform: 202 is to be the new box.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo plox to sit down on somewhere other than dulap ip.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's blinkenlight is normal, but now the port the KVM is plugged into shows orange (as opposed to green) blinkenlight
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try yanking out the new box's lan and ping back
asciilifeform: aaand there we go again
BingoBoingo: It's in there deep
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: To confirm you want the SWITCH reset?
mircea_popescu: then again, possibly not used enough.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. they are not. i had one going since early june.
mircea_popescu: truth be told ssh pipes are fragile ; the interwebs aren't that great and well... add on top of that the usg.nsa ineptitude.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja knock the switch mains loose somehow ...?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I have witnessed the alf problem solving process on this datacenter floor
mircea_popescu preloads a "shush, mr 'i removed swap but forgot to edit the sda count resulting in nonbootable item'!" in the buffer just in case it's needed.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 13:51 asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's in the pipeline for this week. hopefully trinque's beta cuntoo actually worx.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: part of the 'fun' is that asciilifeform is working through a ipkvm box at something like mars lander latency
asciilifeform: in other omissions in trinque's cuntoo : lspci util. ( kernel build, box dun see nic, and i have no means of determining what the actual nic is, without again resetting into the live stick )
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 13:56 diana_coman: yes; I suppose it would have helped to have in the list there the move form sha to keccak
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try to endure the fan winds for another 20min (tops), i might need your magic hands again shortly
asciilifeform: and pleeeez wait for instructions, rather than doing $randomthing
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: or what , exactly is going on ? 1) it reset 2) usb stick no longer there ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i asked you to ping back, not to immediately lay hands on the box.
mircea_popescu: i think this is actually a great tie-in for "corpoate events". drive people from mission district to eugene for "axing party". when they find out who got laid off.
hanbot: via hanbot's dad, help wanted ad from Eugene, where he recently moved: "The Room Oregon is opening Oregon Axe, an indoor axe throwing lounge! We are looking to fill a position with an energetic and outgoing individual! Oregon Axe will also be serving beer and wine."
mircea_popescu: what, they'll "provide consultancy" to "chinese insurgents" ?
asciilifeform: modern cn is big on the 'soft power' thing. i suppose calculated that it is cheaper to give the anglos toys and wait for'em to self-euthanize, than to war.
asciilifeform: i actually have nfi why they do it.
mircea_popescu: i would be much surprised if the current trend continues, where the chinese keep making the pacis for the ustards.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu's 'tin woman' essay has the complete story re subj. while printing press prints, making comp for mircea_popescu 'aint big biznis', making ipnoje for lolcat and britney watchers -- is
asciilifeform: hey, printing press keeps a-printin', why would they confront any such thing
mircea_popescu: the whole history of "technology" 1992 - 2018 readily reduces to "hey wouldn't x be cool ? let's do it! oops it totally sucks who the fuck came up with this" for values of x taken out of a set with a cardinality comparable to the cardinal of all sets.
mircea_popescu: an entire generation intellectually bankrupt on the cluelessness of "the tech sector leaders".
mircea_popescu: the "intellectual leadership" lead no one nowhere. all their "ideas" turned out to be shit.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the important point ~everyone~ (and i don't mean in pantsuitland, at all. it's not the "gender wars" people, it's the "scientists" and "engineers" and whatnot) avoids like snails avoid salt is that THEY WERE WRONG.
mircea_popescu: guess what, the nude bios female will "rediscover" "love" every generation\
asciilifeform: yet somehow, like '3d movie theatre', gets 'rediscovered' again & again.
mircea_popescu: currently can't be arsed to get even http://trilema.com/2018/on-the-internet-nobody-believes-youre-a-sow/ girlies on video feeds.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily enuff , in usa at&t built a 'video phone' in the 1960s (!) . had to upgrade trunk cabling in entire country to make it thinkable ( the orig 't1' line dates to this period . ) net # of takers was... approx 0
mircea_popescu: it's funny, though, i spent the 90s thinking "oh, man, videoconfereincing will be SO COOL!!!" and then the 2010s going "fuck you and your stupid camera, get on irc like normal people. i really don't need to see you sweat."
asciilifeform: just as implied in the name. 'turn net into cable tv'.
mircea_popescu: it was a dream, back in 1999. "wikipedia of knowledge", "internet of things", there's an entire catalogue of graham&andreessen's boogers on napkins that male http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831739 retards constructed.
asciilifeform: point was, i suspect that there cannot be such a thing as 'sane video www', there is elementarily no way to pay for the necessary bw with honest money
mircea_popescu: i'm like ye olde admirality, comissioning maps of the seven seas.
asciilifeform: speaking 'lolcats' generally, inclusive of these
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform youtube is not mostly lolcats. youtube is mostly male dweebs in a shitsty talking in an annoying voice way too close to the mic. and picking their nose "discreetely" while they nasalize.
asciilifeform: picture this, luser gets to load 500MB just for the asking, and sometimes without even asking ( background tab etc crapola )
mircea_popescu: it's not like "author of guillotine", but rather "the guy who came up with the trick of telling jews the gaschamber's for showering".
asciilifeform: it is worse than mircea_popescu likely fathoms; asciilifeform suspects that the bandwidth for lolcat watchers to watch the lolcats is 100% bezzle-powered, there does not exist anything like a +ev model for pushing video to all-comers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't dignify that shitshow with a mention, from the engineering pov. everyone involved i know of is deeply ashamed of their participation.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-10 18:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can only admire the level of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829969 conspiraci : clueless girly logs on, it ~immediately~ resets its connection and launches a new one. 100% the cheapest most effectual confusion factor.
mircea_popescu: that's the whole fuckign thing. and it was a primary driver in the mind breakage of the 00s, and deeply related to practical issues such as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-10#1833240
asciilifeform: right, but there's also a layer of obscene hacks to make the actual compressed frames ride somehow atop http etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: does there actually exist a 'youtube video format' or do they use the 'html5' horror ?
asciilifeform: the schoolboy explanation, 'money went with ibm/microshit', dun hold water, xerox had ~infinite moneys, ditto texas instruments ( 1 of the largest semiconductor houses of its time ) , made 0 diff
asciilifeform: subj is perennially fascinating to asciilifeform , how all of the folx with actually promising ideas re comp, withered away and died in '80s, leaving crapple & microshit.
asciilifeform: in the '80s, sony (yes) tried to make a latex that natively writes to a screen. ('sony news' workstation). i dunno how well it worked, they got out of comp biznis..
asciilifeform: the obvious headache being , that there does not currently exist anything resembling a sane format that it could shit.
asciilifeform: at the very minimum, would need some way to actually use ( display, print ? ) the thing that it outputs.
mircea_popescu: breaking latex out of the evil linux clutches may actually be a worthy thing.
asciilifeform: phf also documented some other corruptions of latex in recent decade, but the details currently escape me, iirc in the log somewhere
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 20:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833462 << why though ? i can't for the life of me imagine how one's to have glyphs otherwise, for one thing, and honestly didn't it start out hygienic ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833483 << lulzily, it 'started hygienic' because outputted ancient oddball format, 'dvi', which was eaten by certain classic phototypesetters. but afaik the only way to display it on current linux is via conversion to postscript/pdf. which in turn pulls in liquishit.
asciilifeform: ( proggy runs on 1, displays on another. )
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 20:43 mircea_popescu: though i recall asciilifeform making noises about using X on servers ? perhaps the only person who does, i dunno.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 18:45 asciilifeform: ( prolly wouldn't hurt to put a '# of cpus' param in trinque's script itself, in the chroot-making step, would speed up the actual bringup of cuntoo boxen considerably )
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 18:40 phf: i'm unconvinced there can be such a thing as hygienic latex, possibly there can be ghostscript if you pull out the pdf support (?)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833462 << why though ? i can't for the life of me imagine how one's to have glyphs otherwise, for one thing, and honestly didn't it start out hygienic ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 01:03 mircea_popescu: kanzure are you capable of standing up a bot which takes a link to a pdf and responds with a http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hello/?raw=true link containing the contents ?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 18:39 asciilifeform: phf: afaik there does not currently exist anything like a hygienic latex or ghostscript recipe
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833460 <- in no small part because http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704534 / http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ issues.
mircea_popescu: though i recall asciilifeform making noises about using X on servers ? perhaps the only person who does, i dunno.
mircea_popescu: re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833446 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833449 it would seem the correct mezcla would go USE="libressl offensive -X -libnotify -avahi -acl -bluetooth -consolekit -cups -dbus -iconv -nls -avahi -pulseaudio -systemd -wayland -xattr -tls-heartbeat" on the expectation -X does -gpm -gtk3 -gnome implicitly.
asciilifeform: ( prolly wouldn't hurt to put a '# of cpus' param in trinque's script itself, in the chroot-making step, would speed up the actual bringup of cuntoo boxen considerably )
diana_coman: and then I read next line, lol
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ban mask seems to already be in trinque's recipe ( i'ma add the missing flag ) ; make -j32 i will add.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the ban mask and flags for using the 32 cpus of the box seem to me absolutely needed as a minimum; mind adding them ?
phf: i'm unconvinced there can be such a thing as hygienic latex, possibly there can be ghostscript if you pull out the pdf support (?)
asciilifeform: ( neither belongs on server, so i've not put much attention in it as of yet )
asciilifeform: phf: afaik there does not currently exist anything like a hygienic latex or ghostscript recipe
phf: i think we might've discussed how all these utility libraries (particularly freedesktop ones) are the holes through which the darkness comes. poppler is one of them, a fork of venerable xpdf it is now everywhere where pdf manipulation is done, naturally with no way to turn of said manipulation when need be
phf: *ghostscript rather
phf: just curious, i'm trying to figure out where to draw the line on hairshirts. postscript pulls poppler for its pdf backend (so does latex, etc. but i'm not even going there)
asciilifeform: possibly on the oldest boxen, i'ma have to look
asciilifeform: phf: the ones with xorg -- yes
asciilifeform: i take back most of my whine. ( libnotify & gnome need to be on the ban list, they are very often pulled in by various, incl iirc firefox )
lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 39 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> (running from the ben_vulpes livecd stick) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HvavG/?raw=true << it bombs
asciilifeform: if diana_coman wants any of these things prior to delivery, plz to let asciilifeform know today !
asciilifeform: there's a coupla things obviously missing from the alpha cuntoo, e.g. my anti-poetteringolade ban mask, make flags for actually using the 32 cpus of the box, possibly other things. but i'ma let diana_coman add these at her leisure, box will be delivered with what is as close as possible to trinque's original item ( i'ma config the nic and that's it )
asciilifeform: hobotrinque: so theoretically this should be fixable when we bolt on ave1's gcc as the initial binary, aha ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 09:27 trinque: does appear that when using the gentoo musltronic patches, the step from 6 -> 5 -> 4 gcc is necessary.
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZiuRv/?raw=true << whole thing, for reference, with the ..601 and removal of swappism being the only changes asciilifeform made
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell trinque (running from the ben_vulpes livecd stick) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HvavG/?raw=true << it bombs
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems like you did not plug the nic in on new s.mg ?!
diana_coman: <asciilifeform> as i understand this will be the first field test outside of his bench. <- smg is an ice breaker of all sorts, what can I tell you
trinque: most of "will it boot" sits with the kernel config anyway
trinque: asciilifeform: pretty high degree of confidence in the build. oughta be exact same deps on your end as what I had on the workbench
diana_coman: yes; I suppose it would have helped to have in the list there the move form sha to keccak
mircea_popescu: tbh, i tihnk what happened here was : original mpwp was sha, then hanbot reground it
diana_coman: I thought that was the old one?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:42 mod6: When you see it in the flow, then you should be good. Then you'll have to do : ./v.pl p v mpwp mp-wp_genesis.vpatch pd mpwp sd .mpwp-seals
asciilifeform: as i understand this will be the first field test outside of his bench.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's in the pipeline for this week. hopefully trinque's beta cuntoo actually worx.
diana_coman: hanbot, right, it's keccak hashes so ofc v.pl barfs although it's weird that it first presses so much of it and only then randomly throws up; at any rate, on different arch, phf's vpatch pressed the mp-wp genesis so at least the genesis itself seems all right
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 03:49 esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-10#1833105 << fwiw phf, esthlos-v resolves the graph in the same manner as btcbase, and can press based at any node. of course, without checking the hashes, currently...
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833362 << oh i see, your flow command outputs an impossible ordering, but press-path gives a correct press order, so i was wrong, sorry about the fud
hanbot: esthlos it doesn't. footnotes source & instructions are in http://thewhet.net/2017/10/a-compendium-of-possibly-helpful-stuffs-for-erecting-mircea-popescus-wordpress-with-nearly-free-speech-hosting/ , and i've never actually taken on the selection jazz. i can tuck em both into next patch tho.
hanbot: diana_coman the regrind presses here without errors with phf's vpatch. i didn't try pressing with v.pl, possibly they're incompatible...?
esthlos: trinque: yes it does, I'm trying not to overcommit but could definitely add once the Keccak/V stuff is off my plate
a111: Logged on 2018-07-10 14:17 phf: like i said couple of days ago i'm going to forward merge that whole right side, right now the only advise is to delete the right hand side because none of the extant V's can resolve that graph, obviously a suboptimal suggestion. i'm working on a better grapher, but until then..
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-10#1833105 << fwiw phf, esthlos-v resolves the graph in the same manner as btcbase, and can press based at any node. of course, without checking the hashes, currently...
a111: Logged on 2018-07-10 21:41 diana_coman: no idea but fwiw I was playing with it on the rockchip; as far as I can tell both lobbes and esthlos used some previous versions; (btw esthlos can you maybe show the date of the post somewhere convenient? it's really weird to have to guess it/search for it)
mod6: ok, i think the deposit will be coming from ben_vulpes
trinque: but can get ya in the morning
trinque: mod6: yep don't see any inbound yet. I will likely be asleep when the required confirmations roll in.
trinque: as it happens, I can reach the deposit lever and will shortly mod6
mod6: does anyone know if the deedbot wallet requires manual intervention (by trinque) for the deposit portion?
asciilifeform: ( turn on from the wall with entirely removed battery, you get the whine 24/7, the inductors were sized for batt charge + run load )
asciilifeform: btw, phf, dollars to doughnuts you have a loose battery connector. the whine and reset unixtime is dead giveaway
asciilifeform: PeterL: iirc phf had some recipe for these
asciilifeform: otherwise yer on your own
asciilifeform: PeterL: if it's a 'common' iron, e.g. x60, or pizarro opteron, or rockchip -- then can base it off a asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: PeterL: i started from the output of 'make menuconfig' and pruned it over time
PeterL: trinque: from http://trinque.org/2018/07/06/cuntoo-bootstrapper-preview/ "You must supply the script with a working kernel config for your target hardware." << is there a reference on how to get a config?
diana_coman: ah, um, nv esthlos ; found it at the bottom, lol
diana_coman: no idea but fwiw I was playing with it on the rockchip; as far as I can tell both lobbes and esthlos used some previous versions; (btw esthlos can you maybe show the date of the post somewhere convenient? it's really weird to have to guess it/search for it)
diana_coman: and on the other hand sure enough the hash calculated on whatever it spew of it is the one it reports and ofc it doesn't match what is in the vpatch
diana_coman: and on one hand the file complained about has only *one* entry in the genesis vpatch i.e. just created so wtf
diana_coman: today is clearly not my day for working stuff; it's the weirdest thing I've seen: v.pl dies at *different files* at each run complaining that sha sum doesn't match
diana_coman: did anyone actually press the re-grind of mp-wp genesis ? (this: http://thewhet.net/2018/06/mp-wp-genesis-regrind/ )?
mircea_popescu: solving any problem consists of carefully loading very finely defined borders of issues in one's head. the hobbyst approach relies on a sort of "generally speaking", consisting of "people" and "having trouble" and "in the general area". as you might imagine, the mismatch is deeply irritating to the first set.
mircea_popescu: PeterL you know there are limits to this hobbyist approach.
diana_coman: fwiw it's not a matter of pressing weird stuff - v.pl doesn't even report some patches in the flow at all if ALL patches in both branches are present
asciilifeform: PeterL: read again the algo. at no point will it attempt to press a patch that is not an ancestor of the selected leaf.
PeterL: so I have been looking at v. (specifically asciilifeform's python version) it seems to me that there should be a "pruning" step after the flow is laid out to remove any patches that are not ancestors of the desired leaf, so that you would not have to manually remove patches.
diana_coman: there were at least 2 pointy hints this time!
diana_coman: huh, no stamina even, where are the retards d'antan
diana_coman: Scwepp, did you solve all the other, more close to home problems and that's the only trouble you have left?
a111: Logged on 2013-08-22 17:41 mircea_popescu: <Rulother> you know you can't just power cycle a machine with no idea what's going on :D
BingoBoingo: His headgame, the series of puzzles he presents to size up strangers.
phf: BingoBoingo: i think it's about the right mindset though, can have all the tools in the world, and you're still going to look like a jerk off. nah, i think i just need to get my head game straight
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> maybe if we keep going in this vein we can get the un to sponsor trilema. << Phf hasn't turned the chromebook into ladypants yet
mircea_popescu: maybe if we keep going in this vein we can get the un to sponsor trilema.
BingoBoingo: Right, the problem has to be your room isn't intimidating it enough into behaving. Pick up a car battery and some cables with alligator clamps. Don't attach the battery to the machine. Just let it sit where the chromebook can see it.
phf: i'm going to go with mp's theory
asciilifeform: ( scraped off the factory white shitgrease when photo'd mb )
asciilifeform: phf: in graveyard nao, but i had it running continuously off the dc brick for coupla weeks
phf: just literally lightly moved the unit, it shut down
phf: tried to turn it on right now, the lightbulb blinking rapidly and there's like a "turn on suddenly turn off" whine from board if you listen up close
phf: nah, i didn't go as far as motherboard removal. i was thinking this might be heat issue, but that would be out of the box, and the pattern don't really correspond to heating
asciilifeform: phf: didja take the heatsink off ? if yes, gotta regrease
phf: hmm, cp101pa hardware is really flaky, or perhaps i got a dud unit, because the "random shutdowns" "can't wake up" "stuck in a turn on/turn off mode" issues persist
BingoBoingo: In other news of interest to asciilifeform: Tienda Inglesa has taken down their seasonal display of TV's for the word cup and replaced them with a display of... Ammo can... well, they labeled them toolboxes
mircea_popescu: certainly, but most us army grunts have to buy their own whatever, silly string.
Mocky: re: ~DELIVER~ right around the fence: there's a lot of zeks employed working around the appleness to make new shiny for the epsilonians. part of the chumpatron