diana_coman: rather: it read 3 times (it was 4 octets each time )
diana_coman: so, the set_usb_attributes was commented out; I cleaned everything and did a fresh build; ran the tests and... it read 3 octets and then it blocked
diana_coman: right, machine is freshly up;I'll first run the .sh script just in case and try it with dd
mircea_popescu: phf if i may be so bold, why "control" without "dominate" ? seems these be terms of art, what do they mean ?
mircea_popescu: * Topic for #fraudsters is: The order of the day is to put an end to the machinations of the purveyors of injustice, to control them without dominating them.
mircea_popescu: in other news, phf hangs out in #fraudsters!
asciilifeform: and ought to ring all of the alarm bells.
asciilifeform: this being said, if you implement a timeout for the blocking reads, you will not have zombie problem.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform did not write the linux i/o subsystem ; nor the pl2303 kernel mod ; and will readily admit that they are sad. and if anyone has idea for some other means to connect a 115200 baud box to machine, that does not suffer from the weakness of these, i'm as always all ears )
diana_coman: omfg resetting the test server each time
diana_coman: so uhm, just resetting the tty is not enough?
asciilifeform: to properly debug this item , you will sadly have to restart the box .
asciilifeform: unix i/o is retarded, if blocking read blocks, it gives you a zombie process , and the next process you start that tried to read same tty, will also become zombie
asciilifeform: i think we have the answer
asciilifeform: diana_coman: when these are stuck, how do you kill'em ?
diana_coman: right you are; not that it ever went there
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/eucrypt_manifest/tree/eucrypt/smg_rsa/truerandom.c#L65 << incidentally this is erroneous. a correctly-inited FG will never produce interrupt ( the tty ~must not~ interpret 0x03 as control char, it must return all octets verbatim )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I commented out the set_usb_attributes so basically it opens and calls fcntl to make it blocking but that's it; it took a bit longer to get stuck but it still did
asciilifeform: btw you will probably want to make a timeout mechanism, to ring alarm if FG ever does die, rather than hanging
asciilifeform: diana_coman: comment out the init, and fire a shot.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: can almost certainly rule out iron problem then
diana_coman: well, 1st test: changed to 2nd FG on musl-system; checked and it reads fine with dd from console; ran the tests of eucrypt , it read 4 and then it got stuck
asciilifeform: ( nobody's yet reported a wedged FG on the standard dd-powered test. )
asciilifeform: from my current reading of diana_coman's code, the only major diff b/w the official manual's test scenario, and diana_coman's, is the init thing.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i agree, this kind of thing is absolutely impermissible, and gotta get to the bottom of it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: before you go to swap cabling, let's first see if the known sadness of pl2303 driver is the culprit.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman asciilifeform: We did recieve a pile of new USB ttl cables. Swapping the cables for fresh ones is a troubleshooting option.
diana_coman: anyway, let's see: you suggest I take out the init, just open and read; set it up outside and then try; can't hurt giving it a try at least
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I even have the .sh + set it in cron, yes; the thing is that code has no idea so it would logically set it up as it wants it but...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/eucrypt_manifest/tree/eucrypt/smg_rsa/truerandom.c#L84 << seems like you re-init the usb dongle every time you read. this is not recommended, i've encountered a chinese ttl plug that wedges if you init it one too many times
diana_coman: will go and try 2nd fg and other boxes
asciilifeform: ( i have yet to witness this wonder. but there's always a first time. )
asciilifeform: gotta rule out the possibility of a dead FG.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: see if you get same horror on the old, non-musl box
asciilifeform will look there.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, smg_rsa/truerandom.c does the whole stuff really
asciilifeform: i suspect buggy tty init ( e.g. wrong baud ) , in which case the data returned is also rubbish
diana_coman goes to read that code again maybe something is messed up there
asciilifeform: and with either FG
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, get eucrypt and run the tests for smg_rsa, something like ./tests 11 11 (i.e. 11 times test no 11)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: is this using the code currently published in dianacoman.com ?
diana_coman: hm, now the reading of octets from FG via EuCrypt randomly gets totally stuck and I can't even quite understand *where* ; wtf; I seem to recall someone else had some similar problem but I can't seem to find it atm; ave1 ? phf ? asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very old noose: e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775301 ( he replaces all mentions of #trilema with '#fraudsters', and of mircea_popescu with something or other, i fughet, and possibly other substs )
a111: Logged on 2018-07-31 12:47 asciilifeform: !Q later tell esthlos in e.g. http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2016-03-28 you link to kako's log ; i recommend against this , it is not a faithful record of the actual text ( last yr he took to monkeying with it via perlism and possibly also manually )
a111: Logged on 2018-07-31 13:17 asciilifeform: but folx attempting to reverse-grind ch11 with old vdiff.sh will inevitably see barf, and there is not currently any fix other than the above.
asciilifeform: but folx attempting to reverse-grind ch11 with old vdiff.sh will inevitably see barf, and there is not currently any fix other than the above.
asciilifeform: this has no effect on any extant vtron ( the resulting patches are correctly formatted ) .
asciilifeform: ( instead of the old awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/ ... , uses awk 'm = /^(--- a\/|\+\+\+ b\/)/ ... )
asciilifeform: btw i oughta mention , i had to resort to a modified vdiff.sh : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rB9AD/?raw=true for ch11 , as the ada comment syntax causes inbandism barf with classic vdiff.sh when deleting or modifying the comment headers at the start of ffa modules
a111: Logged on 2016-03-28 13:11 mircea_popescu: and so, this is the end for this particular irc channel as a venue for tmsr. the irc festivities are moving over to #trilema ; with a more selective lordship list and improved tools all around. you're welcome to join - but leave the fiat mind behind, lest it drag you too back down into the swamp.
phf: in fact particular line http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-28#1440677 has been changed in kako's log, hxxp://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2016#1440677 spot the difference!
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell esthlos in e.g. http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2016-03-28 you link to kako's log ; i recommend against this , it is not a faithful record of the actual text ( last yr he took to monkeying with it via perlism and possibly also manually )
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-29#1838186 << 2016-03-23 may be the longest log I've read yet. these old logs are swamping me
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ^ the largest patch since genesis ( >80kB ) but unfortunately could not be avoided.
BingoBoingo: Well, when I sent a picture of what was then simply known as "the plant" to the Venezolana (still in Venezuala on family business), she asked if it had and name and... Ya ta
mircea_popescu: harry the bird still cracks me up...
BingoBoingo: Well, It's a missouri sized country they are broadcasting too and they do the digital video thing with some sort of error correcting mechanism
BingoBoingo: Mind all of the local channels come from antennas within 5km of here
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is that little thing on the wall, tv antenna ?! and it catches something??
BingoBoingo: In other news, a "tupamaro" (some sort of terrorist Italian hill monkey from which most of the current government is derived) is suing the local gov for treating him like a terrorist https://www.elobservador.com.uy/amodio-perez-demanda-al-estado-us-320-mil-n1259700
BingoBoingo: In still other discoveries of the day they have a deli meat here. It's like mortadella and morcilla had a child on a bed of black pepper.
mircea_popescu: sometimes you sound like you just got off the set of a chaplin movie.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-30 00:21 mircea_popescu: and steam excavators to dig them.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to round off prev thread , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-30#1838243 is exactly it -- i'd prefer 'steam' waiters too, if these existed ! somehow asciilifeform is 100% blind to the 'feeling served' pleasure. i like work to happen, dun much care how, and steam beats meat just about erry time.
asciilifeform finally got inlining to work properly in ffa, ave-style . nao, the article!
mircea_popescu: and steam excavators to dig them.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/07/29/casa-boingo-a-photo-tour/ << Bingo Blog - Casa Boingo A Photo Tour
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have nfi in what shithole the d00d in the clip lives, even here there is kerosene.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-29#1838183 << and then you wanna talk about "halfway up tree". these are the people with "we can't get penis, let's use bit of plastic" right.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i for one am amused by his easy slide from "why do you like" to "why do you need". obviously i don't fucking need a waitress, yes i can have my own sluts do it for me, and on (rare!) occasion i do just that. but why the fuck would i trade slavegirl time for minwage time, for one, and why the fuck would i have to ~like~ having to do it.
asciilifeform: speaking of 'no relief from the menial', i'ma bbl.
mircea_popescu: there's no shortage of work to be done, and nothing wrong with relief from the menial.
mircea_popescu: maybe she's tailing the soviets. maybe she's picking up random dutch tourist girl. maybe she's just having a snooze.
asciilifeform: i dun see contradiction -- they're already with you in restaurant, neh, it isn't as if wrapping bottle will subtract from the spywork
a111: Logged on 2018-07-24 16:31 asciilifeform: it went approx like this, iirc some time in 2016 : asciilifeform : 'if quality slavegurlz can be trained to do anything , mircea_popescu couldja spare 1 or 2 for ada battallion ' mircea_popescu : 'hell no, why would i waste any on such a thing; what next, i will ask asciilifeform to do field work detail in their place ? '
asciilifeform: ( iirc there was a trilema where 'restaurant waiter is a kind of ersatz servant for those who can't afford own, like that jacket they keep for the occasional d00d who wanders in without jacket' )
mircea_popescu: and people who will stop traffic to pull your car out from the mud because you stopped to take pics. and in general, you don't want to fuck your neighbour specifically, the little you fuck (and it IS little, boyish fantasies notwithstanding, one competent, well trained woman can exhaust and keep exhausted a dozen or more men) can very well be imported.
mircea_popescu: it delivers the things you ~want~ from the general population, eg, grocery bag boy who is, genuinely and thoroughly, deligted to bag my ~500 worth of imported french wine and whatnot. and he'll take the time to roll each bottle nicely in thick paper, if i want him to. and he'll hitch it all to a cart and follow me to the car, and be so fucking thrilled he got a fiver for it.
mircea_popescu: yes, as to the climate, it's perfect and eternal spring. yes, as to the land, it's fucking beautiful, and the pineapple is fabulous and the coffee is best-in-the-world and so on.
mircea_popescu: on the basis of extensive experience i'd guess there's high five to six figures females potentially interesting to me alive at any given moment. and yes i intend to see them all before i die.
mircea_popescu: intellectual sophistication to cut it as a slavegirl in my harem. i said before, "There's not who'd compete and there's not how to compete with her, it's a laughable proposition, like a samurai at a kindergarten." and yes that is after training. but all the training in the world can't help the instant kindergartner.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-29 14:08 phf: i think mircea_popescu benefits the more virginal the peasants are around him. easier to source untainted (?) bulk meat of four legged and two legged kind
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-29#1838175 << this is absolutely not true. after months during which i had my girls scour the place (and seeing how the population isn't all that much, i do believe they touched personally every single individual female that could perhaps be worth my consideration) the net result was epsilon. most of the bootcamp population is imported here, and for very fundamental reasons : it takes ~a lot~ of
mircea_popescu: ie, they're cows, minding their own fucking business of cowsing. how can one take offence with that ? and how could one, even if momentarily offended by whatever matching of circumstance capable of tricking his eye, how could one not, on the second pass when one always thinks about things, not realise it's really his fucking problem, trying to affix veils to veals and whatnot ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the ticos are ~coffee farmers~, ie, you realise, mountain fucking people, and this is NOT the same, i've never met plainsdwellers i could stand. and they pretend to nothing whatsoever, but they are specifically and openly dedicated to todo bien.
mircea_popescu: this is offensive to the senses.
mircea_popescu: nd insisting there's no difference between vamp in her make-up and the very pig with lipstick.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-29 14:03 asciilifeform: asciilifeform's puzzler is , re how mircea_popescu gave verdict 'argentines are subhuman' but then moves closer to equator, where monkeys , and somehow there - 'not subhuman'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-29#1838170 << argentines are literally and without exageration a bunch of soy farmers who pretend FOR NO REASON conceivable, a circumstance of which they are aware AND PRETEND IT DOES NOT MATTER! AT ALL!, pretend they say they're something in the vein of "third power in europe". and that they might have such things as submarines, and so on. it's literally pig going through girls' charm cabinet a
a111: Logged on 2018-07-29 13:53 asciilifeform: the cr folx have 2 arms and 2 legs, neh
mircea_popescu: kinda like the revered mirvniki of legend, takes 100 of them to make cvasifunctional approximation of human agent.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-29 13:43 phf: asciilifeform: that's not a fair comparison, if nothing else gulag still was _men_ wrestling raw matter from the earth in extreme environmental conditions, and succeeding. whatever limited technological support they had had to work reliably and achieve some kind of objective
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-29#1838160 << this is very much the salient point here. the new world tribesmen, be they of the spanish-mediated variety as in "whatever survived onslaught" or the dutch&english mediated varieties, as in "we withrew to mancave leaving the stupid women behind to revert to irqouisism reinforced with some somaliland shamanic sentiment" are very much children, fundamentally and irrecoverably intelle
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think the zinc'd sheet item is 100% made by hand with hand tools. hands of people not even particularly strong.
asciilifeform: the sheer wtf...
phf: asciilifeform: while idly researching camping stoves, i recently saw a lulzy video of an american trying to light a polish camping primus and failing miserably (the manual dexterity (???) required for the pre-heat phase was apparently too much for this particular specimen)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i can see this pov. fwiw my emulated mircea_popescu says : 'if ameritards were given their just deserts per their actual productivity, they would then lack not only their gas stove, but would not even have primus'
diana_coman: asciilifeform, fwiw my reading of the matter is "less pretense"
asciilifeform: i recall his theory that it generates better chix, somehow. but still strikes me as ugh.
phf: i think mircea_popescu benefits the more virginal the peasants are around him. easier to source untainted (?) bulk meat of four legged and two legged kind
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's puzzler is , re how mircea_popescu gave verdict 'argentines are subhuman' but then moves closer to equator, where monkeys , and somehow there - 'not subhuman'
phf: you know how when somebody says "she's like a pig" and somebody says "that's not fair to the pig, pigs are noble creatures"
phf: they were still men, doing things. this is, like your quoted item, half way up a tree
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 15:02 asciilifeform: the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory
asciilifeform: they could make oildrum stove like anybody else.
asciilifeform: the cr folx have 2 arms and 2 legs, neh
phf: asciilifeform: that's not a fair comparison, if nothing else gulag still was _men_ wrestling raw matter from the earth in extreme environmental conditions, and succeeding. whatever limited technological support they had had to work reliably and achieve some kind of objective
asciilifeform: holyfuq that drainpipe stove. they have better stoves in gulag.
mircea_popescu: obvious she "goes to friends for advice". what fucking friends ? what fucking "advice" ? the world hasn't worked that way in two centuries, if i want a shirt i want 1 in 1000 shirt shops, if i want a woman i talk to candidates selected through three to five passes with two to three degrees of magnitude lossage each...
mircea_popescu: basically a platform to explore the woeful mismatch between the inadequacy of ye olde fiat institutions and the far reaching powers of the network.
mircea_popescu: in fact, there's this group of weirdos on reddit who train children to pretend they're the missing children of other people.
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me, here's a good idea for a film : this woman loses a child, like it disappears. and then a year or so later it is found!
mircea_popescu: in other news, "nudo" is how you say knots in this country. because obviously nudity and tries go together!
BingoBoingo: In other news, pete_d's new blog header has him with a Elon Musk branded weeding torch http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/contravex-not-a-flamethrower-header.jpeg
BingoBoingo: Seriously though a more detailed update on the state of Casa Boingo is indeed baking
BingoBoingo: brb, Ludo and cooking tuna for the tuna
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/07/28/meet-harry/ << Bingo Blog - Meet Harry
BingoBoingo: It's how these things work. Yesterday I went to the electric company office to correct a bunch of mispellings and sign a contract for the power they have been delivering here. Monday I get to go to the fiber company office for similar reasons
asciilifeform: 'hey, i heard you wrote something about music, i'm gonna start a band' 'what instruments do you play' 'i'm gonna bang two rocks together' 'y'know, it is not easy to tune these' 'eh, if i feel the pain, i have a stringless fiddle in my attic i might play with'
BingoBoingo: Well, can't have beef with the moocows
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 16:55 asciilifeform: yes. and it made sense to me in '07. but not in '10 when i understood how the actual extant pc iron works.
fromloper: Ya... if I feel the pain, I own an FPGA I might play with.
asciilifeform: fromloper: the moment you start trying to implement something that runs on actual iron, rather than vm/emulator, you're in for some hurt.
fromloper: Anyway, didn't mean to bother you. I will go back to interacting with a more crystalized form of your mind. Adios.
fromloper: I just went down the rabbit hole of TempleOS. It is both terrifying and brilliant.
asciilifeform: curious, what's it mean 'on reddit'. i've an ancient and mostly disused acct there, what of it
lobbes: clear communication is definitely a weak point of mine, and from what I can tell stems from my own unorganized mental processes. But as a semi-related side-note: Finally having a sane blogging tool is doing wonders for remedying the foregoing.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 21:24 lobbes: mod6 I would gladly work to earn that grant. As it is, I already need to get the 'legacy' auctionbot away from heathen dependencies (in this case, the 'supybot' api), so in building this custom auctionbot for pizarro I may just take the opportunity to design something sitting atop ircbot/logbot and eventually release a proper genesis
a111: Logged on 2018-07-28 18:27 mircea_popescu: lobbes oh i see what happened, so basically you went "shit, i'll do this auction fix thing once i get the whole bot rewritten".
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-28#1838102 << yes. I do not see any point to building more on top of the unsteady scaffolding. I'd rather it rest on a proper republican foundation. and ftr, I did state this was my intention from the start >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1833022
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 01:18 phf: "The l0de radio hour is a long-running live call-in show that irregularly broadcasts over the internet, and to pirate shortwave and FM stations. It is hosted by Lode Ray Dio, a gypsy hustler with a long history of fraud, grifting, and treason. The show is notable for its frequent cancellations, obscene and bizarre content, and a high rate of listener suicide."
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 03:04 l0de: The l0de radio hour is online! http://www.youtube.com/l0de/live call in live at 315-505-4666 TONIGHTS EPISODE: REMOTE AS FUCK, SHIT MAY NOT WORK
asciilifeform: come to think of it, the specimen in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761039 thread, was typical.
asciilifeform: cranking out, respectively, unauthorized salsa, or the one trooo word of the saviour (tm)(r), etc
asciilifeform: typically a puerto rican, or other orc, with rooftop aerial, good for 5-10km ; in rare cases, a 'darwinfish' church type
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or possibly the ordinary bureaucratic tunnel vision ( ~100% of 'pirate' of commercial interest to usa 'music' cartels lives precisely in the 'plebe fm' range specified )
mircea_popescu: lobbes oh i see what happened, so basically you went "shit, i'll do this auction fix thing once i get the whole bot rewritten".
asciilifeform: 'The term pirate radio broadcasting means the transmission of communications on spectrum frequencies between 535 to 1705 kHz or 87.7 to 108 MHz without a license issued by the Federal Communications Commission' << very peculiarly doesn't mention the rest of the spectrum
a111: Logged on 2018-07-28 16:43 mircea_popescu: speaking of nothing in particular, i'd say erryone who hasn't read http://trilema.com/2016/the-herd-of-independent-minds-or-has-the-avantgarde-its-own-mass-culture/ should prolly do that now.
asciilifeform: i could've sworn there was a trilema re subj. quite related to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-28#1838071 , imho.
mircea_popescu: art is condemned as "lacking broad meaning" or as "unrelated to real life" these accusations often disguise the fear that the exact opposite is true -- that this deviation has too much meaning and bears too acute a relation to life to be reconciled with the common myth."
mircea_popescu: "But the genuine work of art, going past the formulated common experience, may succeed in communicating the common situation -- all too clearly from the point of view of the guardians of stasis. I doubt that those in authority would be so violently opposed to authentic art if, as they claim, it revealed only the private personality of the artist and had no further reference. On the contrary, I am inclined to believe that when
mircea_popescu: (note that all this directly ties into any random throe of socialism you might pick. say, the conteporary focus of usg pantsuit on disucssing "priviledge" -- directly because imagining an uncommonality of situation makes a fine last ditch effort to salvage the other commonalities "much more important to us".)
mircea_popescu: poor marx, you know, and his delusions of "man liberated from the necessity of labour and then from the fetishism of market will finallty be an artist!!!". nigga say wut, take the cow's milk and hide, it goes back to being a baby, it doesn't become a philosopher.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 18:20 mircea_popescu: how did the poet put it, "the writing head does write, and having writ, moves on
mircea_popescu: and so there we go. the reason their world ends is that we're right ; and they're wrong. at which point, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693368
mircea_popescu: (which both informs and explains ancient republican tenets such as "use whatever fucking language you're using" and so on. and which plainly explains why faux elites of the mass movement, be it weev or yarvin or that schmuck in "black mirror" or the "pua community" or w/e focus on a. providing a "sure fire" method through which b. you too, ~whoever you may be~ can whatever. this is necessarily and of its own blood and bone wr
mircea_popescu: and that the failure works exactly as rosenberg describes : in trying to elide the commonality to situation, they recourse to a hallucinary commonality of experience, and method.
mircea_popescu: and that it hasn't merely failed happenstantially, but that it has failed necessarily and substantially : there can not be such a thing as a herd pov of human experience, simply because herd perspectives are falsifying, and in THAT of being of the many, therefore they are false.
mircea_popescu: and that it is not too late to tell now. and that we can tell it utterly failed, both in the soviet "one big mass" approach and in the roosevelt-socialist "pyramid of many masses" approach
mircea_popescu: and that these are irreconcilable : either human experience will be discussed in terms of the elite, or of the herd. and that an multi-secular attempt at a discussion of human experience from a herd perspective is what http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1818281 question hinges on.
mircea_popescu: 's "palace" as preserved in folklore includes all the features of a well-to-do peasant's house, and activities there pertaining. what's to keep the king from going to wait in the veranda ?).
a111: Logged on 2015-01-21 01:37 mircea_popescu: very common problem people have on the internet, the "everyone is as stupid as me / everyone's a goat the same gender and age as me" issue.
mircea_popescu: very plainly put : that the elite is tempted to think of the herd in individual terms (which for the herd are inadequate in the sense shoes are inadequate to cows -- too much hassle for too little actual, practical, "how does the shoes relate to me" benefit) ; whereas the herd is only capable to think the elite in herd terms (between http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-21#985204 and how, say, romanian peasants' imago of "the king"
mircea_popescu: the republic's ideology has just about caught up with the state of the art cca 1948, and we can in fact very directly use rosenberg terminology to explain why the pantsuit are so fucking objectionable, both ethically and aesthetically.
mircea_popescu: heck, even if read, the re-read may turn out to be quite enjoyable.
mircea_popescu: speaking of nothing in particular, i'd say erryone who hasn't read http://trilema.com/2016/the-herd-of-independent-minds-or-has-the-avantgarde-its-own-mass-culture/ should prolly do that now.
asciilifeform: naively one could imagine that there's a market niche for a lappy that isn't a piece of shit. but evidently..
asciilifeform: phf: i associate this kind of thing specifically with crapple . i guess other vendors finally catching up!111
a111: Logged on 2018-07-10 19:22 phf: hmm, cp101pa hardware is really flaky, or perhaps i got a dud unit, because the "random shutdowns" "can't wake up" "stuck in a turn on/turn off mode" issues persist
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-10#1833262 << i traced the problem to wear and tear of one of the wires that runs from motherboard to the screen around the hinge area on the power plug side. the wire coating was damaged, and the wire would get in contact with the frame. it's the kind of issue you'd see on an old laptop after a decade of use, but i guess in this case chineseum
lobbes: mod6, mircea_popescu, other interested parties ^^
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/07/un-begs-for-cash-after-blowing-through-all-the-money/ << Qntra - UN Begs For Cash After Blowing Through All The Money
mod6: Ok, that's all the invoicing that needed to be done for this month for existing customers & contracts. I appreciate all of your patience and help through this transition month for me.
diana_coman: ok, invoice me as ^ for 1 year then please, mod6
ben_vulpes: one can pay annually, but the discount is for quarterly up-front payments: 25%.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-27 06:44 diana_coman: mod6, I don't recall: was there any option to pay yearly for the rockchip?
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-27#1837906 -> did I miss the answer for this? mod6 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo ?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-25 01:59 mod6: All, one thing that I didn't know that I even had to do, was publish the price at which the this months auction for pizarro took place. It all transpired on July 10th, and the price that was used was $6800.
mod6: Once you raised your objection, I haven't sent in the !!v yet.
trinque: another thing to consider is whether you're encouraging people to pay for 12mos of service upfront. it buys you runway, puts some extra cash in your hand for adspend or w/e serves bringing on more customers. right now I'm compelled to wait another month at month to month to see what the spread is next month, and you have a bit less cash to wield.
trinque: there are a finite amount of "the interface slipped thousands of funnybux between auction and invoice" that I will eat, and I will proably eat more of them than other customers that don't know you as well
trinque: mod6: I understand there are challenges; I'm also trying to be a model customer for you, and while I generally trust you to do sensible things, $invoiceDate = rand() isn't be great for your business either.
trinque: yeah, my first invoice was based on the WU I sent
mircea_popescu: there is some wiggle room in the sense that banks are unreliable and so if it does come out it's impossible to wire as intended, the trade just unwinds.
mircea_popescu: the above wFF denotes wired filthy fiats ; winner gets the chunk wired to details of his specification at that point.
mod6: The fact is, until we have a steady stream of usd coming in, I hesitate to put a date on it -- can only say at this time, "will do best to have them out as soon as we can after the auction". It's my fault that I didn't start invoicing right away. I mearly did not, because I thought that these were sent at the end of the month.
mod6: But who is to say that I don't get hit by a bus on AUgust 4th, and then it's not complete in time.
mod6: it's not only that, it's just trying to get the whole thing organized and sent down there. This month, I had it all done by the 10th. With plently of time to spare to get invoices out by the 15th.
mircea_popescu: trinque he doesn't know when lobbes has the auction ready lol.
mircea_popescu: anyway, part of the problem is that the saw teeth are a little overlarge, basically. too few auctions.
trinque: yeah, really matters which way the market is moving, whether I want to stock up first, or replenish after
mod6: there is no way to tell.
ben_vulpes: mod6: if invoice day is the 15th on a month, figure you can close the auction before then?
mircea_popescu: i do the same thing btw, repurchase spends.
mircea_popescu: trinque the concept is sound, "i'm not eating random spreads", but in practice, a) do you specifically want to repurchase what you spend in short time or at optimuim price ? ie, "you bought all you were going to buy at 6k, what do you care".
mod6: i know it sounds ideal to say, for instance, "auction closes on 10th of month", "invoices will start going out on the 11th". However, there is no way to know if the auction will be completed. At this time, it's a very touch-and-go thing.
ben_vulpes: so mod6 when does the august auction close?
trinque: schedule the auction, with an end date, and next day is invoice day
mod6: ben_vulpes: care to weigh in here on the above ^ ?
trinque: the invoice date is moving around on me, so how can I say
mod6: (these invoices are coming in way late -- should have been done as soon as the price point was set)
mod6: It was done early in the month, when the price was what it was. If you had be properly invoiced at that time, what then?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-25 01:59 mod6: All, one thing that I didn't know that I even had to do, was publish the price at which the this months auction for pizarro took place. It all transpired on July 10th, and the price that was used was $6800.
trinque: what's the exchange rate used on that one?
lobbes: mircea_popescu: this makes a lot of sense, ty. Ima read diana_coman's blog post you referenced and study Mocky's style of communication. I will then provide a proper eta tonight
deedbot: Invoiced jurov 0.02083823 << July Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
mod6: !!invoice jurov 0.02083823 July Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
deedbot: Invoiced jurov 0.02101750 << June Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
mod6: !!invoice jurov 0.02101750 June Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
a111: Logged on 2018-07-26 01:37 mod6: *nod* was just hoping to find that btc/fiat price. I never did find it. Roughly, I think the price was about $6800 when it would have transpired. But I'll give others a chance to chime on this before I make a June invoice for The Foundation.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-26#1837786 << trinque informed me that the June rate was actually $6742. There are two invoices that are were never sent for June, I'll be using this price point to create this invoice, instead of the round $6800 number mentioned in the linked log entry.
mircea_popescu: so don't do that. instead, see diana_coman 's theoretical work on managing this (ie http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/06/its-only-words-and-assumptions-and-priorities-and-ouch/ ) and take for instance Mocky 's very effectual style ( http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-07-22.log.html#t13:56:10 / http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-07-25.log.html#t19:48:59 etc ). doodn's managed 27 builds of a mining bot NONE OF WHICH WORK to date and i'm
mircea_popescu: because unlike the empire, where they speak to feel good, like birds chirping, the republic has the log and the mechanism of inference, one can very effectually land self in soup. all it takes is apply the "i want everyone to be happy" imperial process for a few passes, until you've loaded yourself into such a ball of inference no one can possibly managed.
mircea_popescu: consider that the "top of hopper" item ALSO means, and what it means in this context is "i've not done anything for two weeks seeing how i've not yet touched my top of hopper" "but mp... i got distracted..." "then WHY do you even have a top of hopper concept, if distraction's the law of the land ?"
mircea_popescu: so saturday we'll be having the same discussion in the same terms, "why have you [implicitly] promised something you didn't deliver", which is just not a good way to go about things.
mircea_popescu: absence is meaningful, you understand, and what that absence means here is "not worth the mention", which in turn translates to "may default to any reasonable value of your choosing" which in this case means to me "definite;y done by saturday". because that's what i want it to be.
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/078-trilemabot-ii.html << The Tar Pit - trilemabot [ii]: prefixed commands
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-26#1837860 << no, I know. I can only offer the "dayjob for food steals most of my productive hours in the day" excuse here. That being said, the importance of getting this thing up isn't lost on me.
mod6: ^ this is what you're looking at to take you through the end of October.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-26 19:47 phf: !Qlater tell lobbes not sure that you really need to introduce emacs into the mix, if it's not your first language. an exception in a thread ought to log itself, but you can explicitly hook into debugger machinery and capture it manually: common lisp has *DEBUGGER-HOOK*, which is documented in hyperspec. sbcl further adds sb-ext:*invoke-debugger-hook*. you should also check that those values are nil after you load your
mod6: lobbes: As a courtesy, Pizarro would like to let you know that your quarterly rockchip rental is up for renewal after July 31st. Just a heads-up. You can renew now, or on August 1st (or thereabouts).
mod6: (I'll also be making another for July)
mod6: jurov: Is it ok with you then (or easy enough for you to do) if I do: !!invoice jurov [btc_amt_for_june] June Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colocation service. #foundation #pizarro
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, rather changes the model from "What foundation got" to "what foundation did". i really don't see that's such a loss.
ben_vulpes: sacrifices the public verifiability of "all foundation funds in addrx" but i don't know that's so valuable; foundation addr could just be the proverbial tip hat with some change in it and the curious are directed to read statements
mircea_popescu: if you're the treasurer of x, !!invoice jurov for payments owed by x seems the heart of sanity.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why you can't just you know, use the account. if you're worried about mixage have #hashtags in the invoice, then you see them in the ledger, this invoice is #foundation and whatrever.
trinque: but not going to make the definitions of things squashier.
trinque: I dunno why you guys are making it complicated; you can either deposit to mod6's account, or he can invoice you
jurov: in a sense, neither/both of us
jurov: they are for foundation
a111: Logged on 2018-07-26 00:01 mod6: trinque: Question for ya regarding how jurov can make a payment for The Foundation's hosting fees at Pizarro: Is there a way that I can get an outside BTC address to give him that would go directly to my deedbot wallet? I see that I can do `!!deposit amount`, which might work, but it could be days before a payment is made. Is this a problem? Thoughts?
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-26#1837766 << or i can pay the invoices directly...but can jurov !!pay deedbot invoices issued to mod6?