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asciilifeform: not clear to me that the lizards actually want him gone, is all
mircea_popescu: that'd depend what you mean by is. he's the canary a massively distributed net uses for some purposes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the old man isn't exactly a massively distributed net
mircea_popescu: like elaine once said, the choice between being raped and being a good girl rests entirely with the slut herself : those pantsuit that choose not to misbehave are never truly raped into submission, rite.
mircea_popescu: this is more of the same "oh, could destroy bitcoin, just CHOOSES not to"
a111: Logged on 2018-08-15 21:49 mircea_popescu: and since i'm doing "strategic superiority in review" for some reason, do we count http://trilema.com/2017/lets-put-one-and-two-together/#selection-145.0-149.12 as having protected trump / fizzled the "impeachment" lulz ? or "coincidental" in the sense man who says he's going to do x doesn't do it not because "if you do it ima fuck you up" but for ~coincidental reasons altogether~.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-15#1841891 << the pantsuit could prolly get rid of him without much effort, but why -- and lose their beloved harmless/ceremonial devil
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "a bed sitting room" has the cast listed ~by descending height~. this is totally how ima do any film i ever do, let shorties learn their place!
mircea_popescu: and since i'm doing "strategic superiority in review" for some reason, do we count http://trilema.com/2017/lets-put-one-and-two-together/#selection-145.0-149.12 as having protected trump / fizzled the "impeachment" lulz ? or "coincidental" in the sense man who says he's going to do x doesn't do it not because "if you do it ima fuck you up" but for ~coincidental reasons altogether~.
mircea_popescu: in this view, "raising awareness" is the definitive wank, because it's an activity that is a) always entirely available ; b) always completely ineffectual and c) ulterior phenomena always confirm its predictions. no substantial difference between that and waking every morning ~3am and kowtowing towards the east until the sun comes out. a) this can always be done ; b) it will hurt absolutely nothing and c) the sun will always
mircea_popescu: stupid people hold similar idiotic beliefs because stupidity is self-similar, not because someone taught them that ; and tamen usque recurret not because of mechanism, but exacrtly for lack of one. and so on.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 18:21 mircea_popescu: in front of this, whether we idly decide that he's just dumb or actually evil, ie, his brain dun work like in the case of say bernstein ; or his brain doth work, but he deliberately attempts to shannonize republican words into imperial outcomes, a la curtis yarvin, jwz, whatever.... well what fucking difference does it make.
mircea_popescu: and so, to bring this around, i always said that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806663 ; here's a fine example of what is meant -- the guy with "plaque is the result of infection", like the guy with "homosexuality is biological", like the guy with "guns kill", like the guy with "don't tell women how to behave, tell men how to behave", like the guy with "stupidity isn't stupidity, but a thing of reason" are in the end the
mircea_popescu: the "ideas", if you can call them so, that people in caves "develop" aren't in any sense discoveries. john smith's uncomprehending mimicry of catholic dogma isn't "inspired" by scholastic writings. he just reproduced the twat cheese, much like shepherd "talking to the stars" in http://trilema.com/2012/luomo-delle-stele/ rediscovers presocratic wankery.
mircea_popescu: and yes, obviously, "the cheese on the sides of her twat" is the "natural" and even "necessary" end point for ~all women. keep her in a cage, unable to shower for a week or two and see. but what's this say ? "common reason" ? fucking spare me.
mircea_popescu: but filth sure as fuck isn't infectious ; and the cvasi-religious beliefs of the subhuman horde neither. they don't end up dirty and stupid because transmission, but because nature.
mircea_popescu: not even plato thought to include a mm or two of toe jam in his definition of the human.
mircea_popescu: honestly, this seems the correct representation. "filth is part of the human body" "whence ?" "if you don't wash it shows up" "so ?" "and it's somewhat predictable in form and substance. and odour" "so ?"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i recall a trilema where 'the house smelled of poverty'
mircea_popescu: in short, the proposition that the accumulation of idiocy observable in the poor, the stupid, and the lazy is somehow a thing is not unlike the proposition that plaque is part of teeth.
asciilifeform: dunno, possibly unlike in the case of baths , pantsuit missionaries did go around to 'teach' 'have 1 wife and 0 slaves' etc
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as the spread of absence, ffs.
mircea_popescu: but we don't normally speak of "the spread of the disappearance of hot water in progressive europe".
asciilifeform: rather than of virus
asciilifeform: 'spread of universalism' followed pattern similar to e.g. the disappearance of the roman bath
mircea_popescu: if there existed a different (cheaper!) universal solvent with low polarity and immense thermic innertia living things would perhaps consist of mostly that, rather than mostly water. but this still wouldn't be a contagion, nor would be the "alternative" "preferred" in any meaningful sense.
mircea_popescu: socialism is not the result of people ~reading~ ; it's the result of people NOT reading. whether they decide they're not reading in the circumstance of a readery, where they discover that they're actually unfit for the activity of reading, notwithstanding what they thought themselves in the other context, of the barn (where, among the cows, they "felt" like reading'd be just the thing) or not is irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly the idea. "not washing hands" isn't contagious. nobody "not washes hands" because "something they read".
mircea_popescu: idiots will want for "nothing bad to happen" and will trade "nothing to happen altogether" for it, if need be. this isn't because something they heard, or because something someone said.
mircea_popescu: this, of course, is false. atp is not "a virus", it just happens to be the cheapest item with those properties that can be had. living things are made predominently of water, but this isn't a contagion. this is a necessity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes! example : "As a non-Universalist, I can't help but admire the success of this particular replicator. It is brilliantly designed, like the smallpox virus. The fact that no one actually designed it, any more than someone designed the smallpox virus, that it is simply the result of adaptive selection in a highly competitive environment, heightens rather than detracts from my awe."
mircea_popescu: it doesn't in fact "transmit" anymore than the adenosine triphosphate cycle, or the carnot cycle. it's either there or not, schelling point of reality.
mircea_popescu has been re-reading http://trilema.com/2013/universalism-postwar-progressivism-as-a-christian-sect/ ; turns out it's actually quite related to http://trilema.com/2018/lets-put-three-and-three-together/ in the unexpected sense that yarvin's principal gargaun is the notion that what he calls "universalism" ~transmits~.
asciilifeform: supposedly somewhere in north a there is actual gekko.
asciilifeform: used to see'em in the cracks of the stairs that went up to my old flat
asciilifeform: they're ~mouse-sized
mircea_popescu: do they cackle ?
asciilifeform: funnily enuff i've seen small gekko-like critters here. but they're uncommon.
mircea_popescu: you can't imagine just how fucking cute they are, btw.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-23 22:21 asciilifeform: this reminds me, not long ago asciilifeform picked up a little chinese toy, item shaped like tennis raquet but the wires are charged to 4000v and connect to (small) cap; a sort of mechanized fly swatter, they pop, little blue plasma burst, vapour. nominally. so then , having used it, later i see a most peculiar insect, did not immediately realize what it is, never having seen before. looked closely, turns out -- fly head + front legs
mircea_popescu: but anyway, should i see one with signs be sure i'll squish it. if the gekkos don't get to it first.
mircea_popescu: i believe the ants in my kitchen are worthy of their lofty house, fully understand that history is made by the great man, and the great man alone.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only , but betcha the ants in yer kitchen have demands!11, little picket signs, 'sugar is stored inappropriately' in tight jar
mircea_popescu: https://www.oglaf.com/somelikeithot/ <<< ahahaha check out the pantsuitism. apparently there is such a thing as "inappropriate", sexual or otherwise, behaviour of the great.
mircea_popescu: eminently study-able piece of femstate agitprop. with all the sluts and hams hollywood could produce, also.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://trilema.com/2013/the-funeral/#comment-126479 is quite the thing! replete with delicious quotes like "you can do something [that feels] good rather than something [that feels] bad, and that's better than any justice". really, an unrelenting potpouri of putrid idiocy.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, Argentina won't take em. They won't fit or be escpecially welcome in Uruguay... They are kinda stuck waiting in New York, California, and Chicago
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo will be lulz of all time, once the "collusion with chinese influence agents, treason, corruption" becomes 90% of the federal docket.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-15 14:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841659 << such fucking lulz, incidentally. really, all blue usg has left is this lame attempt to capture "the international" ? make 6th reiteration or whatever, keep rando nations in its "sphere of influence" ?
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-15#1841717 << Part of me suspects USG.blue wants to resurrect Lula so they can unhang themselves. Or flee to Brasil.
asciilifeform: in other lulz: phuctor has reader in... nigeria
mircea_popescu: also asciilifeform the trilema cavalry showed up, i was right all along!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma change the lame magicnums to actual human words shortly
asciilifeform: err, there is also 1 ( new mod found for old factor ) and 2 ( new factor with no prior mods )
asciilifeform: this completes the set.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( if anyone ever sees a -5 , lemme know, it means the machine is prolly on fire ) << I prolly ought to be advised if the machine is likely on fire as well.
asciilifeform: ( if anyone ever sees a -5 , lemme know, it means the machine is prolly on fire )
asciilifeform: currently returns -2 if offered divisor is liquishit (<=1 , or >= mod ) , -6 if not prime , -3 if none of these but not in fact factor .
asciilifeform: in very other noose, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YETnd/?raw=true << this has been working for a while, and i see no harm in making it public; anyone can submit candidate factor to modulus, box will do The Right Thing depending on whether correct, etc
mircea_popescu: https://www.oglaf.com/dream-lover/ bwahaha. they've been busy have they.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/lets-put-three-and-three-together/ << Trilema - Let's put three and three together.
asciilifeform: gold from mile-deep drill holes, plundering the abyss. As we fueled a civilization wielding wealth and power culled from the physical, cultural and political conquest of an entire planet we tossed pennies of compensation in the faces of our Third World vassals. ... We don't do that anymore. Any of it.'
asciilifeform: 'Gasoline once embodied masculinity. That harsh but sweet essence was the flawless compliment to an authentic man's natural scent. Billions of gallons of rich balm spewed from refineries ringing the coastline of this great nation to power Detroit's behemoths to ever greater excesses of brute power, and their owners to expansive fusillades of sexual conquest. We plundered desiccated Middle East wastelands. We sucked the black
mircea_popescu: like gasoline, right ? the substance ?
mircea_popescu: the sad part being that now that i found what i thought i was looking for, i discover that much better reference would be something else i turned up in the search, that i wasn't specifically looking for.
a111: Logged on 2013-12-12 20:36 asciilifeform: i believe the ancient greeks used something similar, with a broken clay pot
mircea_popescu: i imagined this is behind the temptation to "fix" loggers, but it totally can't be fixed there.
asciilifeform: relatedly, i still never found the clay shards thing.
mircea_popescu: of course there's also http://trilema.com/2018/on-namespaces/#selection-293.0-293.22 ... vague and unclear as it is...
a111: Logged on 2015-03-17 02:26 mircea_popescu: "I’m too smart, Professor. I’ve got nothing to say to normal children. Adults don’t respect me enough to really talk to me. And frankly, even if they did, they wouldn’t sound as smart as Richard Feynman, so I might as well read something Richard Feynman wrote instead. I’m isolated, Professor McGonagall. I’ve been isolated my whole life. Maybe that has some of the same effects as being locked in a cellar. An
a111: Logged on 2015-05-11 00:08 mircea_popescu: This would also be why I don't think so very much of the libertards, and why I find myself so often in contradiction with people who view them as either powerful or in any sense a threat (usually both) : they aren't, either, nor could they really be, either, because the only tool they know actually works for them only a short distance of its run, and for us the entire length of that same run. The libertard's gambit is
asciilifeform: aaa loox like there it is
a111: Logged on 2015-06-27 03:23 mircea_popescu: "runs for them a short part of the way and for us the whole way".
mircea_popescu: i read it in the very logs, months ago, months after it occurred.
mircea_popescu: and while at it, hey esthlos when you summarize this, do me a favour and link the discussion of globalization, integration, and sociopolitical construct evolution, yes ? :D
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 17:35 phf: i'm pretty sure we had pocket conversations during netsplits, that none of the bots heard
mircea_popescu: fucking cursed am i, started writing an article an hour ago, still trying to dig myself out of the web of references spewed out by ~the first god damned paragraph~!
mircea_popescu: incidentally, since we're doing lost arts, where the fuck did i state the pantsuit's problem of integration (ie, that pantsuitism doesn't stand a chance in the republic because the republic integrates it) in the terminology that "this sword cuts for them a portion of the way and for us the whole way" ? ie, that they're always dependent on state, whatever shit they come up with gotta be carefully ~stopped~ on various slippery
mircea_popescu: as long as they believe that, they'll vote pantsuit, happily participating in the famous https://www.oglaf.com/hotbuttons/2/ competition (which they lose, seeing how my http://trilema.com/2016/give-computers-the-vote-theyre-cheaper-than-women-even/ overwhelms any biospawn they could come up with ; or more generally given that the sword cuts a portion of the way for them and the whole of the way for us.
mircea_popescu: in the end, meaningful socialism depends on this, yes ? if it weren't the [injust, btw] "control of the means of reading", anyone could be a factory owner. no ? are not all people born capable of reading ? it is only the envious piling up of glasses by ~some~ that prevent ~the rest of us~ from reading. especially the young.
mircea_popescu: generally, the infant's "that man reads, give me his glasses so i may read too", carefully preserved as a ~useful~ fatal flaw in the taxpayer's brain by the flawed establishment.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a wide swath, from thinking self wasted on washing floors to getting on irc and then resetting the connection fifty hundred times, and tons of other items more context dependant.
a111: Logged on 2014-07-19 03:16 mircea_popescu: so, this poor unfortunate soul found herself living her parent's dream : an assistant professor! at the prestigious ubb no less!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they walk in and ask to replicate uncle al's eotvos? or how does it go
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know, i run into it with aspiring 20something girlies ALLLL the time.
mircea_popescu: in the immortal words of a certain young adult, "but you're ~good~ ~here~."
a111: Logged on 2018-08-06 23:07 asciilifeform: phf: my alt-hypothesis is that it's something slightly different -- it's a haskellism. ameri-sad folx are irresistibly drawn to ~elaborately ineffective~ tech , that absorbs infinite 'ricering' ( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-09#552410 ) while giving chance to 'show how clever'
mircea_popescu: the other half is because they're being uppity, trying to approach problems out of their pay grade.
mircea_popescu: half the time people encounter "hard" problems is because they're trying to use the wrong tools to approach imaginary problems
asciilifeform: ( pipes, ftr, would actually work without hanging if they were added today. but imho they aren't particularly needed, unless for some reason one wants to cipher links between own nodes )
asciilifeform: aha, had to explore all the dead ends 1st
mircea_popescu: the piece describes attempt to implement your earlier solution and what's wrong with it.
mircea_popescu: lol. in my notes, the correct pill turned out ~because~ of that.
asciilifeform: ( unrelatedly, dug up vintage lul http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-almost-created-a-constellation-of-bitcoin-nodes/ , where mircea_popescu went through the sweat to replicate my failed pipes experiment . where in the end, yr+ later, the correct pill turned out to be entirely unrelated aggression patch )
asciilifeform: then i'm stumped.
mircea_popescu: the word "name" does not appear even ?!~
mircea_popescu: the idea is, literally, can not name amoeba, indistinguishable. must distinguish to name.
asciilifeform: there is definitely a canonical piece , but where.
mircea_popescu: nope, this is the first with the imagew.
asciilifeform: possibly that one trilema containing the 'souls of the dead' oglaf
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what happens to be iyo the cannonical piece re "mp explains non-wot items can't properly be said to have a name" ?
asciilifeform: in related lulz, usg.pravda drummed up Official hysteria for whole week re 'far right rally scheduled in washington' . then it comes, total of 30 reddit d00dz show up, and promptly turn tail when the 'antifas' appear. whole thing nonevent.
mircea_popescu: i get it, the story they tell themselves is that "academia" ie various subhumans ( such as say http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/#footnote_0_71619 ) does take them seriously. this is the direct equivalent of lenin a) imagining tabletop gamers take him seriously and b) telling himself this matters, back in 1925. are you fucking kidding me ?!
mircea_popescu: jesus christ what fucking influence ? the soviets had intellectual leadership, who the everloving fuck can take the pantsuit seriously ?!
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 22:18 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/ny-times-attempting-to-meddle-in-brazilian-election-by-publishing-essay-by-corrupt-motherfucker/ << Qntra - NY Times Attempting To Meddle In Brazilian Election By Publishing Essay By Corrupt Motherfucker
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841659 << such fucking lulz, incidentally. really, all blue usg has left is this lame attempt to capture "the international" ? make 6th reiteration or whatever, keep rando nations in its "sphere of influence" ?
mircea_popescu: theres a whole lot of that in eulora as well. and in ~all cpp-gui offerings past 20 yearsd
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: threading in trb is exactly variant of ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1379603 -- it's there because idjit had nfi how to do nonblocking i/o
asciilifeform: plenty of these.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the yew thing, similar
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-08#1832784 << let's flesh this out a little, while at it. podophyllotoxin, active ingredient in mandrake root, is not only toxic but actually damages dna (ties the strand to topoisomerase, and prevents religation). this happens to be useful in some medical contexts (neoplasm management, basically). enter etoposide and teniposide, one with a methyl the other with a thienyl. otherwise, same item.
mircea_popescu: (yes, i'm using this to raise the army that'll surgerize trb, of course, of course)
mircea_popescu: the usual "why magic number ?" question goes doubly so for thread counts -- if your program has a fixed thread count it's not multi-threaded, it's badly written.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 22:31 asciilifeform: 'this proggy is faux-multithreaded, so of fuckingcourse there's a lock around erry variable toggle'
mircea_popescu: argument could even be brought "and then, idiots went and wrote linux in it".
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with this, incidentally. exploration is exploration. "we're trying things out, go away" is a perfectly legitimate state of affairs.
asciilifeform: there is no indication that there ever ~had been~ a 'why'. d00d designs like child picks his nose.
mircea_popescu: ~why~ did it have to change, and ~why~ was it there in the first place then. these gotta be addressed, wtf pseudo-rational process is this.
mircea_popescu: somehow the idiocy of democracy, "we have a new senate" "what was wrong with the old one ?" "huh ?" is supposed to steal our wits with the eyes attached, and leave us believing that "this is how it goes" or something ?
asciilifeform: observe how the unix folx, richie & thompson, also proceeded similarly, doubled down on the 'unix philosophy' in e.g. 'inferno'
mircea_popescu: it's readily suspicious, when the following elements meet : a) a new set is promoted that includes some of the elements of the previous set but b) there's no discussion of why exactly some were left out, in substantial terms of what was wrong with them that reach all the way to the root and c) the author is apparently unaware that the a-b combo is the principal signal of idiocy.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 21:11 mircea_popescu: the necessary correlate to "no, you can't have your lunch and eat it too, just as you couldn't when you asked me earlier, and just as you won't later on", ie, "you won't get the answer you wish to hear no matter how many times you ask", ie, immutably in front of idiocy -- there's not that much to lose, not really, out of public conversation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform s. strikes as exactly the sort of fellow who;d be trying "the same thing" in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841629
asciilifeform: the eulora folx can prolly add to this kunstkammer
asciilifeform: 'this proggy is faux-multithreaded, so of fuckingcourse there's a lock around erry variable toggle'
asciilifeform: ( naggum had the observation, went like 'brokenness of unix is the brokenness of c , of winblows -- of c++ '
asciilifeform: the man carries moar of the responsibility for microshit ecosystem than prolly any other single malignant shit alive.
asciilifeform: if one were to ~set out to~ take the merely convoluted pointersandoverflowslang aka c, and turn into ~permanently~ indecipherably stateful churning liquishit, it would be quite difficult to do a 'better' job of it than stroustrup did.
asciilifeform: whereas 'no , motherfucker, what c++ actually is, ~is~ the the microshit crock of shit'
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/ny-times-attempting-to-meddle-in-brazilian-election-by-publishing-essay-by-corrupt-motherfucker/ << Qntra - NY Times Attempting To Meddle In Brazilian Election By Publishing Essay By Corrupt Motherfucker
asciilifeform: sorta the polar opposite of vtronic development : 'this is c++, this always was'
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 21:39 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841573 << this is all new to me, I've been learning cpp from Stroustrup 4th ed. where he goes out of his way to act like cpp11 is the only version that ever existed
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841639 << actually quite pertinent to the thread -- stroustrup spent virtually entire past 20yrs , in successive attempts to coverup his n-1-st warcrime by pretending 'neverhappened' and... carrying on with moar of same!
mircea_popescu: "I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. " << that poor guy. i'd say on reflection this is utterly the engineerhead problem, "takes a whole adult life to unlearn five lines of socialist idiocy a stupid woman poured into the 3yo head"
mircea_popescu: "In the first incident a SEATAC ground crew member 29 year old Richard Russell" << could use some commas.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 17:43 asciilifeform: my understanding was that mircea_popescu refrained from giving signal 'build us a fleanode' in the past on acct of (but not limited to) the reason where heathens (e.g. fetgurlz) would have difficulty visiting . but we already have the +r hoop for them to jump, i dun see how much worse would be own fleanode.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841367 << no, the "on account" was very specifically "count of free hands".
mircea_popescu: how did the monk that hated laughter go, "but a splendid, eternal recapitulation".
Mocky: re: hacksaw skills, yes, I can see the need for this quite clearly
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841573 << this is all new to me, I've been learning cpp from Stroustrup 4th ed. where he goes out of his way to act like cpp11 is the only version that ever existed
asciilifeform: ( granted , literacy only worx if there exist reader also, and not merely chuckcha-is-a-writer )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho log is important labour-saving device, lack of ability to point n00b to $oldlog , instead of having to say same thing 10,000 times, is one of the plagues that killed usenet
asciilifeform: ( somewhere i got a GB+ of faqolade from the golden usenet days, some are pretty lulzy reads )
mircea_popescu: if she whispers "i love you, master" just as you feel her asshole tear you might deeply regret having missed hearing it ; but if alf says (yes ? name not pronoun ?) c++ bungled smart pointers, what am i going to miss ? it's not fucking going away. if only it did. it's not. the reason he fucking said it, even is because the damned thing won't go away already.
mircea_popescu: the necessary correlate to "no, you can't have your lunch and eat it too, just as you couldn't when you asked me earlier, and just as you won't later on", ie, "you won't get the answer you wish to hear no matter how many times you ask", ie, immutably in front of idiocy -- there's not that much to lose, not really, out of public conversation.
mircea_popescu: the counterbalance, however, being that public conversations are by their nature immutable. what can you possibly ever say in public ? the ~same~ thing over and over again, yes ? hence the http://trilema.com/2018/let-me-tell-you-how-bad-i-have-it/#selection-29.0-29.43
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 17:35 phf: i'm pretty sure we had pocket conversations during netsplits, that none of the bots heard
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 17:28 mircea_popescu: trinque, the whole fucking idea is to replace it once and good, with gossipd.
mircea_popescu: (but yes, i readily admit that the original notion in my head is for replacement to eventually grow, organically, out of the loggers, and this is what informs the "meh, too soon" recurrences http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819587 )
mircea_popescu: otherwise this mega-logotron is actually larger than the freenode it logs. might as well use IT then instead.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 17:34 phf: i mean to do reliable logging you need to track the whois "on server", and spawn 2 bots per server, which then all negotiate a single consensus message to promote to canonical "this is what was said"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841351 << this sounds like the fucking lamborghini of all logotrons. seriously, connect ~two~ clients to ~each~ ircd and then have them ring-vote ? i agree it's the correct design, fwiw, but maybe hold off on implementation some time ?
mircea_popescu: otherwise what, one day you accidentally cut your kbd cable while playing with cnc mill, phf is stuck putting code into a111 to bridge electric airgap ?
mircea_popescu: ok, but the problem is how to solve. "speak otherwise" seems right thing ; "change its hearing" seems wrong thing.
mircea_popescu: or from the other structure looking in towards this same thing, the ~state~ of being public is something to be set by the participants, not by the fucking scribe.
asciilifeform: what was the line with the mills , from mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: you either did it or didn't do it, we can't just invent doers by looking around, can we now.
mircea_popescu: is the proper honorific for this weather mr or ms ?
asciilifeform: sure does. if mircea_popescu speaking into a gpgtron, then deliberate off-forum. if he's talking into a wire that turns out aint plugged into nuffin, then weather.
mircea_popescu: if you did it, it was deliberate. that's the definition of "you".
asciilifeform: speaking of fleanode weather, rather than deliberate off-forum conv
mircea_popescu: involuntary privacy is to be resolved by the parties involved, not by the logger.
mircea_popescu: but then explain "had convo". if i http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-30#1838270 it's netspliut yes ?
asciilifeform: right. and then netsplit, and suddenly not
mircea_popescu: but this is in the logs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this being so, still imho suxx when , we yes had convo, but then it aint in any logs anywhere
mircea_popescu: the very deliberate, and very plain gossipd-philosophy roots of logotrons are indeed not to be forgotten, either.
asciilifeform: e.g. the spectacular clusterfuck of 'smart pointers'
asciilifeform: it's part of how i ended up with ada : found that just about all of the 'good parts' of cpp11ism were lifted from it
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-08-14 01:52:40: <Mocky> is it permissible to use c++11 features with the client/build? I couldn't tell from the jamconfig. it seems like the int64_t type is a c++11 thing and that's in there.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 17:11 phf: so +r drops the reliability of all logtrons
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841309 << i'm persuaded the problem exists. now wut do ?
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to want it... and another thign to dream it.
mircea_popescu: the guy that was going to make a working satellite fell into latrine and sunk under weight of wristwatch (that included laptop).
mircea_popescu: "why did russian inventors not develop airplane ?" "and many did the stove crush as it went."
asciilifeform: ( he drives it to the palace and takes over kingdom )
asciilifeform: btw the orig folktale included mega-line 'and many did the stove crush as it went'
mircea_popescu: wtf do i care what "the agreed upon log" looks like.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 17:07 asciilifeform: prolly the Right Thing would be to have the actual logtrons ( phf's, ben_vulpes's , Framedragger's if he were still alive , etc ) sync to one another as fallback
mircea_popescu: the drawing ? strikes me as very 1990s.
asciilifeform: ( lazy son (tm)(r) likes to sit on warm stove all day, makes threewishes, gets magic stove & other 'just works'en )
a111: Logged on 2014-02-14 17:22 asciilifeform: where 'honey don't forget to refuel the reactor, milk the bear, and turn us in to the kgb.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think you ro folx had ~similar tale, with the pike fish and the magic stove
asciilifeform: there might be, but you gotta drill through 500 metres of rock and 100 of liquishit, to get to'em.
asciilifeform: cuz as it stands, to this day the state of the art re hacksaw work, is the plain old chalkboard...
asciilifeform: oh mircea_popescu , recall the flowgraph project ?
mircea_popescu: THESE IDIOTS REIMPLEMENTED C STRINGS you understand me. also wrongly, of course. fucking pancake.
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-08-14 01:30:42: <Mocky> the only thing I can think is if I can pull out those includes from worldhandler.h and put them in worldhandler.cpp, but I just don't see it. 90% of the methods have csString, or EID, csPtr, csVector3
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 20:09 trinque: that "touch bar" thing is the saddest shit. they literally put the stupid watch they made in the laptop.
mircea_popescu: "this most prestigious rhino has a cat's head inside the chicken head on each of its four wingtips. SO MUCH MORE PRESTIGIOUS than the flying whale of that other temple"
asciilifeform: i dun think i know the ref -- are these euloric artifacts ?
asciilifeform: ( i assume he was found equal to the work, at some earlier time )
mircea_popescu: the fellow'\s fucking endearing, what can i tell you.
asciilifeform: lol Mocky about to become familiar with the art of the hacksaw
mircea_popescu: (yes, obviously, my highly structured response to the problem being called slavery, but that's neither here nor there, walled garden so to speak)
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-08-14 01:25:07: <Mocky> and i added implementations of those methods to worldhandler.cpp, which i can show if curious. but this brings me to my problem: I can't include worldhandler.h in any of my code without bringing in the whole cs / ps spitoon
mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-14.log.html#t01:25:07 << very much the central problem republic's been dealing with since serious work begun.
asciilifeform: especially then.
asciilifeform: there's always plenty to do , even when the 'doers' are in drunken haze instead
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but at the time ~there was something to do~. this, yes, always rescues. but what's there to do ? last time esltard did something the wall was still standing.
mircea_popescu: breifly back to phf 's discussion of r+ thing : i confess i mostly did it to encourage the "spammer" to put registration in. sadly... went instead the way of http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-13.log.html#t22:59:16
asciilifeform: dunno, the antics of marie antoinette did not cancel actual milkmaids existing
mircea_popescu: sorta like being a homosexual was only a sexual choice before they came up with the political choice of being gay.
mircea_popescu: because you specifically can't have fried ice, these two are contradictory. either it's marketed to or not.
asciilifeform: or whatever fell of the truck most recently
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 17:03 phf: asciilifeform: i saw it, i'm pointing out that this addition breaks things. you have to make sure that every single client plays along with freenode's defective ident system, otherwise you get breaks in logs, etc. e.g. phf bouncer is used as a fallback for logs, to ensure continuity, where the fact that the bouncer would come back naively (i.e. without trying to negotiate with nickserv) was a feature
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think about it this way, "ropa americana" ie, 2nd hand clothes imported from the us, are VERY DISTINGUISHABLE in actual not-giving-a-shit places. how would this be, if it carried no information ?
a111: Logged on 2018-08-13 17:27 mircea_popescu: george sanders has an excellent point re this : "for new yorkers who want to go out of town, new haven is a stretch of sidewalk between the taft hotel and the schubert theatre, surrounded by what appears remarkably like a small town".
mircea_popescu: or so they think, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with hobo garb, "shows you care" "about the less fortunate".
mircea_popescu: kinda how this works, best i can tell. "this is the livery for expressing your disdain to livery, and this is the livery to express your dedication to livery, and there you go, a complete experience out of a cardboard breakfast box"
mircea_popescu: but then when same galley hand "team building", all the stupid cunts had the same cut of panties on, you just didn't look.
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how "ironic" works. YES the emblazoned tshirts. of course, it's what they're for, channeling this sentiment.
asciilifeform: i recall slaving in a galley where the brass handed out 'company shirts', then later saw'em in the kitchen as dishrags
mircea_popescu: yes, they do.
asciilifeform: ( or do they )
asciilifeform: well they dun make the programmers wear 'crapple uniform' yet
mircea_popescu: very much has. company dress code, and they DO all dress very much alike. the differences are superficial.
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't come with a laptop-with-watch-in-it, it's not as PRESTIGIOUS a job. (term of art, from the guy with the vehemently delectable pork sausage)
mircea_popescu: see ? that's the beauty of it, all these lost fucktards who don't have $50 bucks to pay on my queens fulla jacks, nevertheless, NEVERTHELESS i say, "is very rich"
mircea_popescu: but their ~employer~ does!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 1 hole, is that 'generation-fara' dun buy $4k lappy. they buy ipnoje.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform trinque totally has it, remember who the audience is. http://trilema.com/generatia-fara
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the +r thing... we did get the no j/p spam part. sadly the way this shit works leaves no optimal choice, gotta pick this-or-that. is the idea we... i picked the wrong set ?
trinque: the logic is "oooh what a demo, so future"
asciilifeform: trinque: difficult to picture the logic, unless it was deliberate 'coca cola classic' gambit, where it's to be put back later
mircea_popescu: trinque hopefully they put a laptop in the watch next.
trinque: that "touch bar" thing is the saddest shit. they literally put the stupid watch they made in the laptop.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 16:49 phf: oh this is beautiful, the new "registered only" restriction on channels means that unless your bouncer auto identifies, you get kicked off the channel
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 15:01 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathendom lulz, https://archive.is/43EIJ >> 'Amid mounting public pressure to address Jones' hate speech, Apple's Tim Cook and Eddy Cue met over the weekend and decided to pull five of Jones' podcasts from their platform'... << 'по просьбе трудящихся'(tm)(r) !
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841285 << the sorta shit tim cook has time during weekend for.
asciilifeform: will show sumthing like max sectors = 78125000/78165360, HPA is enabled if it's there.
asciilifeform: ( typically needs magic code sent via the sata )
BingoBoingo: AH, that's why it still has the sticker
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dun fughet to nuke the 'ata hidden partitions' nonsense
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