benkay_: yeah man i saw that
benkay_: how's dat tree?
benkay_: what's the haps, mon frere
benkay: yoyo mjr_
benkay: yo dawg...
benkay: (you can tell by the excessive exclamation points and accidental '1')
benkay: 's a joke, friends.
benkay: that makes it fine!!!1!
benkay: individuals at the sec looking to make names for themselves?
benkay: who's driving these?
benkay_: can't hold a damn high-security prison against a bunch of epithets
benkay_: that really shows the sham that is us military power
benkay_: wat
benkay_: dat waf.
benkay_: thanks.
benkay_: good spot, TAT.
benkay_: i just declare them as income
benkay_: mhm
benkay_: i think compliance is overkill for small app devs.
benkay_: meh.
benkay_: it'd be awesome to get coins on the phone
benkay_: what'd they say?
benkay: ios can't in2 full-text search
benkay: apple has perpetuated it
benkay: 2btc is total moved through pts?
benkay: not that this should surprise anyone
benkay: man, there's a massive market out there that can't figure out how to pgp their mpex
benkay: damn short nicks
benkay: sauce?
benkay: "we get to see exactly how much of their ... volume was fake"
benkay: u don sy.
benkay: complicated
benkay: options
benkay: jcpham: lolwut?
benkay: ;;ticker
benkay: hey tat you get anything out of gox yet?
benkay: ;;ticker
benkay: only the operators
benkay: people in the system aren't guaranteed that price for isk out
benkay: how does that actually lock isk to dollar?
benkay: please :)
benkay: do elaborate on 3
benkay: pg13?
benkay: .bait
benkay: and maybe something warm and concave
benkay: and the food to survive on
benkay: and the guns to hold it
benkay: read books while the world burns?
benkay: so just give up?
benkay: are your litecoin winnings enough to guarantee security through the great disjointing?
benkay: how do you plan to cope?
benkay: you are getting paid to learn
benkay: voila
benkay: find a role where your skills will appreciate in value faster than your salary will appreciate
benkay: well duh.
benkay: that's just the dominant american paradigm.
benkay: you don't have to pay to learn, cosmo.
benkay: ;;ticker
benkay: what, you don't install MacAffee on your mice?
benkay_: best nonsense in -assets to date.
benkay_: "you only have too many if its over 21 million"
benkay_: ;;ticker
benkay_: ;;ticker
benkay: hey cads, check your pms
benkay: anytime
benkay: the mobile integrations aren't quiiiite there yet, but getting close for sure
benkay: clojure was designed to be hosted on all of the machines
benkay: yeah man
benkay: whether the programmer has any value with those paradigms is a wholly different topic
benkay: but an open mind towards programming paradigms has a lot of value to the programmer
benkay: i have zero investment in your choice of languages.
benkay: *shrug*
benkay: i liked that book
benkay: you could probably burn through joy of clojure pretty quickly
benkay: engineering/business req's
benkay: i use what i feel like using when engineering req's don't clearly dictate alternatives, and when they do?i follow their directives.
benkay: so many people have spilled so much ink on the topic of languages
benkay: well, you *may* be happy. i have no idea.
benkay: but you'll be happy :)
benkay: and it won't garner you fame or anything - everyone will always hate lisps
benkay: clojure's still young enough for that
benkay: there is also the unquantifiable upside to writing the building blocks of a new ecosystem of web tech tools
benkay: so now you can web while you bro
benkay: so we took the code out of your code
benkay: we herd u can't code
benkay: yo dawg
benkay: i typically recommend it as a good framework for apps that clients want to maintain themselves, or be able to hire people to maintain themselves
benkay: if all you want is a thing that serves stuff and is reasonably secure and performant and well documented, django's your gig
benkay: yeah man
benkay: php, kill me now.
benkay: rails, meh.
benkay: django is the batteries-included thing
benkay: nah, not yet.
benkay: clojure is evolving towards pluggable modules
benkay: however it's not ecom ready.
benkay: start there
benkay: you just got half your brain back.
benkay: full-stack lisp
benkay: see?
benkay: that's the point.
benkay: yes.
benkay: except -> especially
benkay: except with clients who want to own and maintain the application.
benkay: well, professionally it's always a tough sell.
benkay: probably not, back then.
benkay: did you get a chance to play with ClojureScript?
benkay: it is also a lisp.
benkay: call functions client-side in ClojureScript and execute them on the server in Clojure
benkay: write your full stack in one language
benkay: interop with all of the things!
benkay: embarass*
benkay: i'll embarras myself, man
benkay: *swoon*
benkay: yeah, i wouldn't put that in the evaluation matrix
benkay: well, nvm.
benkay: if you're a func-y, just spend the time to learn clojure.
benkay: oh man
benkay: if you just want to write passable code and pull down paychecks...
benkay: that is if you want to get good at the thing
benkay: your problem is picking a language to live and breathe for the next n time periods
benkay: not your problem
benkay: forget speed
benkay: mp i'm kidding
benkay: your cluster will erupt in flames under its first real load!
benkay: it'll be great!
benkay: you can totally learn to code your biz site, bro!
benkay: it's great for the web, though!
benkay: ruby really ain't that great for?stuff.
benkay: that's how i started programming. controls systems in python and matlab.
benkay: oh fuck yeah
benkay: i recently switched wholesale to clojure
benkay: i endorse
benkay: some pythonistas are fuckin' rude, for sure
benkay: there are exceptions
benkay: ruby webdev lends itself to a "ship yesterday and fuck knowing why it works" mentality
benkay: in my limited experience, yes
benkay: more philosophical
benkay: less lifting
benkay: more inclusion of non-orthodox viewpoints
benkay: more silly hair and men with painted nails
benkay: generally focused on craft and inclusiveness
benkay: if you want documentation and community and all that feel-good stuff, python's not a bad place to be
benkay: i recommend django for simple dimple sites
benkay: do it in your favorite language
benkay: it's just a CRUD app man
benkay: dat bootstrap
benkay: now, if you're just deploying capital, who cares about developer productivity
benkay: some languages lend themselves to developer productivity
benkay: that said
benkay: but at the end of the day, languages are just languages, and anything you can do in one you can do in another
benkay: if you're doing webdev in the states and want to invest in skills that will be attractive to the people who hire devs and dev teams, i would avoid php.
benkay: heh. are you looking to become a magento expert? you can probably make more money doing that than operating your own store.
benkay: which, man, i have no idea how rigorously you want to build your store
benkay: also look into magento's continuous integration environment
benkay: ruby works just fine (again, premature optimization alert), but it's incredibly easy to make a non-performant site in it
benkay: my problem is not effete rubyists, it's rails brogrammers
benkay: lulz
benkay: yourselves*
benkay: do you need to be able to hire dirt-cheap PHP jockeys or will you and your friends maintain it yourself?
benkay: what are your engineering requirements?
benkay: if you don't mind hiring "experts" from all around the world to make your application dance, it's probably a solid choice
benkay: derp derp derp
benkay: and aside from the conceived-in-hell EAV data store they fucked up
benkay: i just wrapped an epic migration from magento 1.3 community to enterprise
benkay: plus php is not a great choice for us-based dev teams
benkay: it just falls over on basic stuff like search
benkay: and aside from the conceived-in-hell EAV data store they fucked up
benkay: i just wrapped an epic migration from magento 1.3 community to enterprise
benkay: well, my advice may be premature optimization for your use case
benkay: but have nothing to suggest in its place :(
benkay: i recommend against magento
benkay: +1
benkay: ;)
benkay: I imagine eBay won't be terribly pleased to hear that you accept payment methods they don't get a slice of...
benkay: cads: can I get a link?
benkay: (just because lots of people do a thing does not mean that it is a good idea. data answers that.)
benkay: cads where are you considering implementing?
benkay: out of the weird forest of novelty doesn't mean anything when trying to figure out affect of widget implementation on bounce rates
benkay: has anyone tested impact of accepting btc on conversion rates?
benkay: let's reframe then, shall we?
benkay: data is the ultimate arbiter
benkay: split test all the things
benkay: +1 for split testing
benkay: disregard. making more coffee.
benkay: ugh that's not coming across correctly
benkay: hence miss cartell
benkay: scams are much more readily prosecuted when you can distract a sucker with multi-channel comms
benkay: can potheads even scam?
benkay: "Note, they DO pay-out small transactions, in hope that you TRUST them with MORE MONEY. Them who? Russian and German Mafia? Potheads? Mexican Cartell?"
benkay: comments are gold
benkay: whoops?
benkay: incompetence, then?
benkay: the string to which you're responding, less idiotically phrased.
benkay: chaang-noi, why do you copy what everyone says in your responses?
benkay: what problem spaces are you involved in? that's a way more interesting topic...
benkay: what langs do you enjoy working in these days, furuknap?
benkay: ;;ticker
benkay: sounds way better.
benkay: how'd it differ from the US con?
benkay: .bait
benkay: THE ORANGE AND GOLD IT BURNS MY EYES
benkay: ty
benkay: furuknap where do you publish?
benkay: wow 73!
benkay: why not crash it and pick up a mess at a discount?
benkay: oh chaang-noi, one day you'll mean revert :)
benkay: bitcoins for vpns is a decent business case
benkay: obviously not silk road
benkay: ;;goxlag
benkay: ;;seen smickles
benkay: = target
benkay: dude's visible
benkay: chill man
benkay: oh furuknap
benkay: what about arbitraging currency controls?
benkay: bitcoin != bitcoiners
benkay: porn
benkay: +1
benkay: +!
benkay: and us miserable coders
benkay: there is that problem
benkay: lovely skeumorphs
benkay: because supply chain?
benkay: so long as amazon doesn't start taking them
benkay: that's certainly fucking true
benkay: wat wat wat
benkay: wait 100k/yr is wealthy now?
benkay: ;)
benkay: tits or gtfo
benkay: crazies
benkay: i don't gamble like you crazie
benkay: that said "concerned" is relative, stakes are several rounds of beer.
benkay: i have a bet coming due next monday. btc trading above 70. wasn't concerned at the time of bet, am slightly concerned now.
benkay: now that makes sense
benkay: mp amortizes how he wants yo
benkay: at the end of amortization, you don't have a thing to sell for scrap value.
benkay: do you have to give box back to another entity?
benkay: what happens at the end of the year?
benkay_: try playing eve solo
benkay_: cartels make for more fun
benkay: there was a community? i thought it was just a small pool filled with large sharks and miscellaneous lampreys
benkay_: ?
benkay_: depresses prices, yo
benkay_: i on the other hand encourage further incendiary talk
benkay_: because he owns shares in things traded on mpex and wants to see them go up