asciilifeform: Mocky: in old su, or current jp, and plenty elsewhere, nobody 'tells' boy anyffing, he gets told 'this is school' 'this here is the stick you will be whacked with' etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole thing deeply complicated by, eg, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847984 vs http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-01#1846605
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: per legend, it's what usg uses israel for -- a kind of thailand for officers to park their cocks in during arabian adventures
Mocky: tell a boy he's being sent to school, maybe he dun wanna go but no horror. hell him ballet school, (or fashion school or cheerleader camp *something else*) then yes, horror
asciilifeform: perhaps reserved for fyootoor rear echelon r&r brothel service pg
mircea_popescu: did you palatalize the r ?
a111: Logged on 2018-08-25 23:37 mircea_popescu: jesus fuck, check out these idiots : advertise it at $1.89 ; charge $15. da fuck.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-25#1844647 << in the interest of fairness, owner checked for me and apparently bimbo.club was a "premium domain", worth moar. who even knew, there's twelve bux premiums now.
Mocky: if it was ballet school, then yeah something else.
mircea_popescu: there's a deep reason for all the historical "initiation ceremonies", and the reason is as usual need. maturation's axiogenic.
mircea_popescu: well, there's that old "as i became a man i put the things of childhood aside". "something else", you know ? not a girl, no, but who knows what terror ?!
diana_coman: if that's what the school promises, it's a tall order anyway; and for that matter does school make girl boy ? or what "something else"?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman alright ; but do you see the argument that ~school as an institution~ provides a higher onthological threat to the boy than to the girl, specfifically because of this implicit "we'll make you something else" promise ?
asciilifeform: i thought 'trans' was simply crossdresser deceived by quack doctors that he can haz usable synthetic cunt etc
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I recall that specific complaint mainly as repeatedly cited by you; but other than that I thought it was already quite pervasive issue basically
mircea_popescu: there's two terms specifically for this reason
mircea_popescu: the term's crossdresser.
mircea_popescu: Mocky different construction of the id ; therefore different capacity to survive specific crashes.
Mocky: seems to me both male and female cling to the continuity, but female has greater capacity to reframe the past to fit a completely different continuity narrative.
mircea_popescu: neah ; for one thing the "i r lion" fury people shy away whereas the "i r girl" "trans" people seek the limelight.
asciilifeform: i parse it as 100% chukcha 'sympathetic magic' -- 'eat heart of walrus, become great swimmer'
mircea_popescu: diana_coman do you recall the complaint of the police a few years ago that "you've got all these written exams, now we're stuck making police agents out of girlies, god help us" ?
asciilifeform: recall the alice__ character ?
asciilifeform: i can't properly picture what is inside the head of the sufferer, but imagine that 'if i dress up correctly, the gods will take pity and wave magic wand' or how else.
asciilifeform: they buy specially tailored costumes, etc.
asciilifeform: there are reportedly folx who want to somehow 'be' horses, or dogs, etc. also.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: douche struck me as the type who 'invested' -- i.e. 'whaddayeamean you have no use for my 313337 web20 h4xx0r sk1llz, whatddayeamean go and learn asm or whatnot, you may as well be telling me that wagner, cyanide'
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the whole "faux transvestite" a la brendafernandez, "i'm a boy who likes girls but not like a man, so how about i dress up like a girl and we frolic ?" is very much this "what if i could girl also ? discover one day mywhole prior life was a fake" etc.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ah, i just meant the minor side point of "competent at wrong thing".
diana_coman: might depend on what "self" one talks about there but anyways, it can certainly wait
mircea_popescu: whereas the girl does not so need. even if it is extremely distressing, the experience of the loss of the self is post-partum enjoyable, and in the process ultimately unscary.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i would dare propose the fundamental difference is that the boy absolutely needs to maintain throughout a certain feeling of continuancy, a certain notion that he's still a person, that something from his past nevertheless even today stands, that his retrospective history is somehow interpretable as "having a red thread running through it". even if it were to change, it must be continuous.
asciilifeform: i suspect that the spark of sense in this thread, if there was one, has eluded asciilifeform . so ok.
mircea_popescu: let us just say "is alwayes too hard for himself" and come back to the particular issue in a day or two
a111: Logged on 2018-09-05 16:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the irritating problem is that while the two characters are fundamentally disimilar, nevertheless there's superficial similarities that rankle. both use a language to communicate what appear to be thoughts, and both can emulate formal logic in their own wetware to reliably come to the same true/false values
mircea_popescu: absolutely douchebag character was better informed than the girl ; and more competent.
asciilifeform: nicoleci on other hand, is not useless, for fundamental physiological reasons; is at this very moment performing in mircea_popescu's circus
asciilifeform: he picked up various work and then demonstrated that his hands grew from arse
asciilifeform: based on the log.
diana_coman: basically nicoleci then "understood" she was NOT useless somehow? I don't quite follow
diana_coman: asciilifeform, he had *his* option to be part of tmsr and she had *her* option to be part of it; he did not take it on account of "but I earn money now and I'm building mah future at this great company" ; she took hers discarding the earn money now and this great company
mircea_popescu: so in the end, it becomes a dispute over present-value-evaluation. if you have two hats, one of which will break next time you use it, do you have two hats ?
mircea_popescu: "up until that point where you take them to the recycling plant door and one is refused, they're entirely the same thing right, hold fluid"
mircea_popescu: it seems, if one's inclined to generalize, that both sexes of a species are the same species, much like both recyclable and non-recyclable bottles are "bottle", in some sort of sense that doesn't make any sense in examination.
asciilifeform: rright, but for one, conclusion is 'wagner+cyanide', for other -- not
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the irritating problem is that while the two characters are fundamentally disimilar, nevertheless there's superficial similarities that rankle. both use a language to communicate what appear to be thoughts, and both can emulate formal logic in their own wetware to reliably come to the same true/false values
asciilifeform: know how some bottles recycleable, others -- not? similar.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-05 15:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847933 << moreover, the "new life" device is typically female ; perhaps the most widely examined & researched point by humans on earth, there's a fucking reason "marriage" consisted historically and ~universally~ (not counting the moron societies) of exactly this, "Ia-ti mireasa ziua buna, de la tata, de la muma, de la frati, de la surori, de la gradina cu flori" ie "bitch, say your goodbyes
a111: Logged on 2018-09-05 16:05 diana_coman: I'd just put side by side http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847919 with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838630 and leave it there for comparison by any interested parties
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847949 << possibly i'm think, but what is comparable here ? the 2 characters dun have same options, as treated at length in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847940 & elsewhere
asciilifeform: i'd be surprised if 'privkey serum' were not a major research direction for the current mengeles
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> 1918 technoly lol, potassium chloride. i had an entire box, as a boy, FOR JUST THIS JUST IN CASE!!! << Ah, the old sodium free salt from the grocery store
asciilifeform: ( aside from radionucleic strange, the point of using which largely escapes me, not much changed in poison art since borgias )
asciilifeform: as for poison, it's 'mature technology', they seem to have no prob 'heart attack'ing whoever.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually they nailed the head of DNR ( counter-ukrs ) coupla days ago in precisely , iirc, this way
a111: Logged on 2018-08-01 03:07 douchebag: Also the security firm I'm working on is expected to pull at least a half million dollars by december
a111: Logged on 2018-09-05 03:19 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847915 >> 'I was in a position in which I enforced company policy, hired, and fired as human resources and now no longer have an office with my name on the wall or any authority; however, I do have a 'cage', collar, and a really cute headband...' >> lol win, oblig >> 'Yea, a trooper of the forces who has run his own six horses!' (tm)(r)(kipling)
diana_coman: I'd just put side by side http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847919 with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838630 and leave it there for comparison by any interested parties
mircea_popescu: anyway, speaking of which, isn't it a wonder all the "secret services assassinations" etc don't involve a simple "replace shower gel with nitrobenzene" ? evidently they can get hotel maids to perjure themselves in the most ridoinculous way possible, why not something incomparably safer ? not like the usual fucktards would ever give up the "conference" life
mircea_popescu: and no, there's nothing wrong with saying "universally, except for the morons". car tanks are universally filled with gasoline (except for the morons -- such as those who try straight toluene, or those al schwartz speaks of, or etcetera -- there's no "consensus" escape from reality, and so in plenty of cases there's no difference between divergence and idiocy)
a111: Logged on 2018-09-05 04:48 trinque: asciilifeform: how many males do you know that'd be a sweaty flaccid mess turning on a dime and dispensing with whatever life, however meaningless, on the spot.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847933 << moreover, the "new life" device is typically female ; perhaps the most widely examined & researched point by humans on earth, there's a fucking reason "marriage" consisted historically and ~universally~ (not counting the moron societies) of exactly this, "Ia-ti mireasa ziua buna, de la tata, de la muma, de la frati, de la surori, de la gradina cu flori" ie "bitch, say your goodbyes
a111: Logged on 2018-09-05 04:48 trinque: asciilifeform: how many males do you know that'd be a sweaty flaccid mess turning on a dime and dispensing with whatever life, however meaningless, on the spot.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847933 << possibly this q is constructed so as to have no answer, but why not try : erry day whole buncha males eat their pistols, given as this is the only 'turnaround and dispensing with whatever life' available to them.
asciilifeform: in other noose >> https://archive.is/Pl8lP << 'shapeshift' accountless exchange house goes 'kyc'
trinque: asciilifeform: how many males do you know that'd be a sweaty flaccid mess turning on a dime and dispensing with whatever life, however meaningless, on the spot.
Mocky: ok, word is: no family in the region
mircea_popescu: if they do, it's not apparent.
asciilifeform: this was the accountant chix , iirc ?
mircea_popescu: but yes, she's not read nearly enough to be capable of penmanship in anything but the common low style. yet.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847915 >> 'I was in a position in which I enforced company policy, hired, and fired as human resources and now no longer have an office with my name on the wall or any authority; however, I do have a 'cage', collar, and a really cute headband...' >> lol win, oblig >> 'Yea, a trooper of the forces who has run his own six horses!' (tm)(r)(kipling)
mircea_popescu: even the momentarily-still-alive ones are very arguably significant at all.
mircea_popescu: "Jake Joseph Paul is an American actor and YouTube personality who rose to significant fame on the now-defunct video application Vine. "
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847663 << I just ran top for a bit. Looks like the most mysql ever takes is ~6.6% of memory. fwiw I'm just using httpd (not sure if this would be a factor in mysql memory usage, but only difference I can think of between our LAMPs)
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> I did hear a lot of dutch and german too,that is true; but all the dollar-prices and loads of English spoken and the baked in assumption - American, I don't know << Lots of Germans passed through the hostel (less than Latinos/Brasileros) they speak English because their hollywood ended in 1940s
diana_coman: come to think of it, maybe americans were simply so loud and rather obnoxious that they were more visible, huh; doing some counting here I remember there was even a rather large group of ...italians, lol
asciilifeform: they are quite similar, imho. usa has moar 'advanced' republikflucht-prevention than ye olde su, is all
diana_coman: it's unclear to me only if the similarity goes that far since at least in RO people *wanted* passport or afaik many americans don't see /conceive/think of the need for passport, so possible one up
asciilifeform: ( literally, they can't be arsed to pay the 100bux + the photographer's 10. because they can't picture 'where to go, why' )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: dunno whether you knew, but in usa there is ~substantial~ population of folx who... haven't a passport.
diana_coman: I did hear a lot of dutch and german too,that is true; but all the dollar-prices and loads of English spoken and the baked in assumption - American, I don't know
asciilifeform: americans , as whole, dun tourist so much, they get, what, 1wk of time off / yr
diana_coman: asciilifeform, their contact is "tourists are american and give us lots of money" from what I can tell
asciilifeform: i'd've naively imagined they have enuff contact with usg escapees, to know what it is
mircea_popescu: imagine the reasoning of little girl, "mommy, mommy, isn't my skirt much better now, i put some mud on it"
mircea_popescu: they don't naturally conceive usa is filth.
mircea_popescu: the latter.
asciilifeform: or speaking moar generally of the infectious prion.
mircea_popescu: if they were rid of the moronic usgistani monkeys on their back, they'd be truly happy people.
diana_coman: child had a small ball and apparently there was a rule that no balls allowed in park; so before we even got to the gate, one guard was trying to convince me to hide the ball in a jacket (I had no idea wtf for, it made sense only on hindsight); at the "control" I simply said that ball stays in backpack so it's not a problem and they ..were fine with that
diana_coman: asciilifeform, they have laws and rules but basically they don't really apply them , at least not in the manner you think of "apply"
mircea_popescu: diana_coman well, you didn't ~make them~.
mircea_popescu: they came up with a buncha pantsuitisms here ; no smoking in public, no genuine leather... can't even keep a chipmunk pet. not legally at any rate.
diana_coman: the "kind" people who "won't kill" I guess; I really don't have any other explanation for that shit
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu : do folx still make croc leather ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: holy fuq, who the fuck chains up a crocodile. why not humanely put a 12ga to its head, omfg
mircea_popescu: byzantium was both richer and larger than rome throughout the entire xtian period
asciilifeform: i thought they had switched to ersatz , with fall of rome ( vermillion ? )
mircea_popescu: nah, they kept doing it for centuries after.
asciilifeform: it went away with the eastern rome.
mircea_popescu: after the western world brought the benefits of democracy to the byzantines, the latter also stopped using it.
asciilifeform: made with orig method, was most expensive manufactured substance known at the time, afaik
asciilifeform: ( where you had to ferment the snails )
asciilifeform: but not product, but the manufacture process
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform smelled such that it was specifically a cause of divorce among the jews
deedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/04/pura-vida-like-no-other/ << Ossasepia - Pura Vida Like No Other
asciilifeform: i dun think the finished product had a smell
asciilifeform: porphyrogenita << i still find the 'snailcoin' interesting
mircea_popescu: (and since we're doing notes : anna porphyrogenita has an ancient name, which approximately meant the same as "comely". Ἄννα Κομνηνή, anna the comely. looks nothing like noether!)
mircea_popescu: (coluccio salutati, by any accounts the man that made it work, a http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/ character brought manuel chrysoloras to florence, and thereby aristotle could be read for the first time in greek, rather than in arabic)
mircea_popescu: special greek teacher had to be imported, and was the only and first one in century+
mircea_popescu: besides, one's in a much better position to find comnena in 1200s than 1400s. by the 1400s, nobody in italy could read greek, you realise this ?
asciilifeform: today mircea_popescu pumps 100,000 litres of ocean water and finds 1-2 chix that can pgp. but what if had to pump 10,000,000 litres, and got 1 chix, and she looked like emmy noether, what then.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: and for same reason he didn't care -- he also didn't start the renaissance.
mircea_popescu: dante wisely never asked beatrice if she could read the latin verse. nor did he care
mircea_popescu: it never occured to me to inquire whether, or that i'd care if, 1998 girly wrote anything. who the fuck cares, "sense enough to not get run over" was plenty, then.
asciilifeform: well 20y ago they were 'grass-fed' chix, today -- 'feedlot' millenials
mircea_popescu: today i have to go through millions of "profiles", and the results are overall less satisfactory.
mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, i could (and did) pick up women i'd share a bed with on the street, some short two decades ago. even less.
mircea_popescu: this has no bearing on the expectations of people to feed themselves through work of their hands ; but it speaks rather on the expectation of people that they can make friends.
mircea_popescu: yes, but in a different aspect ; that concerned principally the happenstance that labour is no longer a thing, much like phlogiston is no longer a thing.
asciilifeform: this is mircea_popescu's earlier 'end of industrial rev' thesis, aha
mircea_popescu: "you are not smart enough to be here" certaily means something at all points of human existence, from the eleusine days forward, and before. but WHAT it exactly means depends strictly on how sharp and how effectual tools there are available ti distinguish sense from idiocy.
mircea_popescu: but the more abstract world of representation (aptly described not by the computer, but by the trilema-style referencing, which is more fundamental a computer than the computer itself for the needs of this conversation) suddenly exploded all that. like when you lift a rug, suddenly all sorts of scum was exposed that before passed.
mircea_popescu: to put the matter into proper formalization : the old world, of mechanical contraptions that could be physically debugged, was relatively simple and moreover in certain senses and on some dimensions very strictly constrained. consequently it was possible to build exam-taking rulebooks that allowed a large population of morons to build up, and "work", passibly well, as church wardens, ship righters, what have you.
mircea_popescu: the "internet=blue ie/facebook icon" exact diametrical of http://trilema.com/2018/wood-impregnated-in-oil-a-metaphor/#comment-126055 is not even the whole story.
mircea_popescu: watch them at work, the impression becomes inescapable you're trying to teach lizzards writing
asciilifeform: ( speaking here of the saner older folx; there's no shortage of idjits who think they 'own' usg house etc )
mircea_popescu: there is that ; but more common with older folks seems a deep and fundamental ineptitude with the programmable machines
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'millenials' are generally subhuman ; ( as per mircea_popescu's 'souls' portrait ); older folx, on other hand, have deep scars of 'who am i to think that i can own anything, the takers always find a way to take it'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The people peddling the outlandish nonsense go out of their way to relieve fear. It's what the swindlers do
mircea_popescu: and god only had a few million souls at the peak available and the women kept pouring out children, and well...
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847674 << always was and still is fear. everyone i talk to, from parent to phlebotomist to self-imagined "people in crypto" says the same shit: they don't know how, and learning looks too vast, and nobody will issue them certificate of Everything's-Okay.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 17:07 BingoBoingo: And thank you hanbot, the V Genesised MP-WP is very nice. Much improved dashboard and editors.
mircea_popescu: hmm, i'm goping through creanga's cannonical and i don't see it ; but i quite literally recall this "take the left, lose your life ; take the right, lose your quest ; go straight ahead and lose both"
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I don't recall any explicit fork in harap alb? or what, after he gets into the well, the "choice"?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, ah, the 3 road forks was "on this road you'll never come back"
mircea_popescu: diana_coman it's there, harap alb, etc.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: take which. on my home planet the story had a 3way fork.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847747 -> hm, I remember more the version with "if you take it, you'll be sorry, if you don't take it, you'll be sorry; so better take it"
mircea_popescu: in other news, /me is working on a monstrous, 70k+ words as it stands nao, work of adnotation.
asciilifeform: ( they dun all fit in nyc and miami )
mircea_popescu: and all the old jews and so on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think, for what do i need miami, i have all the mosquitoes here anyone could want
asciilifeform: nor has much patience for the 'yearners'.
asciilifeform: let the gods strike me down, but, will confess, asciilifeform never yearned for miami.
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem of http://trilema.com/2017/damele-dameleee/#selection-93.1-93.316 ain't easily gone away.
mircea_popescu: most of these bums, from taaki to whoever else, are precisely not the us professional class, but the orc dreamer.
mircea_popescu: be it judges, politicians, realtors or the community of poets from wisconsin
asciilifeform: a moar malodorous set of derps than the 'mainstream' 'btc komyoonity', prolly to this day does not exist.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you will prolly laugh, but asciilifeform ~so~ despised the canaille , that could not bring himself to ~buy~ coin, that's why ended up fidding with handmade miners etc
asciilifeform: the odor of cynical scamola was overpowering to my nose.
asciilifeform: i did see these. but barfed mightily when reaching out tentacle and thinking of trying, and then found that they cancel orders arbitrarily when price moves
asciilifeform: but then, did not know.
asciilifeform: ( and, i suppose, miners, which struck me as immediately pyramidal, 'if this were +ev, the vendor would keep'em, not sell' )
asciilifeform: but in so far as i was able to see, in those days, the only physical product was smalltime dope peddlage
asciilifeform: ( fwiw asciilifeform has today -- minus bbet -- all of the coin he had then, and if he had found the subj interesting from practical pov vs merely scientific, and bought with money, would likely have it still, asciilifeform is 100% immune to pretty much all of the diseases that cost the 'early adopters' their toys )
mircea_popescu: the problem with manufactury is that often the evaluation of cultural artefacts produced is very difficult.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to my eye, it all looked like exactly identical pyramidism, 'nobody's manufacturing anyffing, not chips, not prime ribs, not even porn flicks, all numbers games with each other's belly lint'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mercaptans. << Ah, those sulphur smelling wenches with the cloaca and scales!
mircea_popescu: ^ this was a thing. "bitcoin jesus" was a thing. all sorta lulz lie buried in the everlog.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 15:32 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let's do a 0cost experiment, why dontcha float the idea to the dc people, see reaction.
asciilifeform: when asciilifeform ran into 'btc komyoonity', ended up quickly setting bozo bit on all 'investmentisms' en masse. ( even included mircea_popescu & co, was not able to distinguish from the rest until hanbot wrote to me and asked to try demo & read the mpoe materials )
mircea_popescu: ("theymos" "rassah" 8 3572807706 "Holds BTC for the forum.") << aaahahaha epic luzl.
BingoBoingo: Ah, the good olde days
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2r0twz/josh_garza_must_not_be_allowed_to_speak_at_the/cnbuxyx/ specifically
mircea_popescu: o look at that, "I helped run plenty of conferences. I do have an idea. The priority is to make sure you have a conference that runs well enough that people don't notice the problems, and that everyone who paid to attend it gets their money's worth. Who actually paid to make it happen is a bit lower on the priority."
mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr without the mpoe, or hanbot.
asciilifeform: at least, then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i also '0 work' in the newtonian sense.
mircea_popescu: you utterly misunderstand. all these wankers did 0 work, precise to 6 decimals.
asciilifeform: then again, who am i to laugh, i burned '13 on hand-built fpga miner. made grand total of 0.6 coin.
asciilifeform: even 'pay off house' is crumbs, for the sort of work these people (as i understand) were doing
asciilifeform: why bother unraveling massive cpp hairball, for small change..
mircea_popescu: this made sense to people at the time.
mircea_popescu: i still recall with amusement rassah's story about how he bought a bunch of coins without bf's permission out of their retirement fund, at 8!! and sold it all! at 13!!! RICH NAO FOREVER, because will pay off car.
asciilifeform: ( i suspect they all ended up like esr, but naturally have no way to know )
asciilifeform: way i see it, there was this degenerative disease, 'i am rich nao!111, will go and buy cocaine yacht and opium-retire on it' , number of sufferers in log history
mircea_popescu: in five years one'd think "oh, the people from 2018, bought millions' worth of btc, are now rich". to the people of 2018, bitcoin seems, somehow, "expensive". which is necessary -- if it didn't, price'd rise.
asciilifeform: lotsa good lulz from before asciilifeform tuned in. ( sometimes i go back an' read these, but most of it dun make sense except to expert archaeologist, which i am not )
mircea_popescu: lotta these!
a111: Logged on 2013-03-11 07:17 mircea_popescu: actually the plan was to have tcp/ip reimpremented over pigeons
a111: Logged on 2013-03-11 07:01 dub: there is thousands of retarded children with a handfull of hackers hiding behind them
asciilifeform: produces things like http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150701/private_dirty_593063f24445b86ead7ed066cec803fa2cbec79b.png .
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html << for reference, recipe for graphic process mem usages
mircea_popescu: 84m res 2791m virt on the box running trilema.
asciilifeform: ok there i see it.
BingoBoingo: And thank you hanbot, the V Genesised MP-WP is very nice. Much improved dashboard and editors.
ave1: Yes, this is when you base the kernel off the ubuntu config (with all modules enabled) and then try to include all modules in the kernel.
ave1: Also the first time that I tried to rebuild a kernel, first try needed 15G of harddisk space and created a 3G kernel (now down to 500mb, which compresses to about 12 or so, but still)
ave1: trinque: this is what I get on that emerge: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MmnDr/?raw=true. P.S. l can wait for an updated version and try again, this is the first time since years that I tried gentoo again.
asciilifeform: i did not expect to ever again need a 32bit arm gcc, but there it is.
ave1: yes, support should be there (one of the most irratating problems I had was with the config.guess scripts not includig a particular system)
asciilifeform: i'd like to never again use theirs, tho, but only ave1's builders
ave1: trinque: I get the error when this line is run: sudo chroot . emerge eudev lilo genkernel gentoo-sources app-crypt/gnupg parted sudo
trinque: no, not known. the thing runs start to finish on my end.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-03 22:37 trinque: ave1: couldn't reproduce your errors. all I had to do to re-run the cuntoo build was to fix the portage snapshot var.
ave1: trinque, re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-03#1847167, yes turned out the git that cuntoo uses did not support https and my ufw settings did not allow an outgoing git port number. Now it fails it a bit further along with dependencies on gnupg-2.2, but I think this was a known breakage...
asciilifeform: ( recall the dma thread, for instance. 9000+ hacks around the retardation of von neumann box. )
mircea_popescu: an attempt to "make tapestry scriptable also" is the sure sign that women-in-general are now involved in that concern.
mircea_popescu: scripting fundamentally IS NOT THAT ; moving the steer will result in changes of direction, but will NOT result in changes of tapestry.
asciilifeform: the allcomers-net is fundamentally bottomless hole.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 14:44 mircea_popescu: but yes, evidently the (undiagnosed ; are these people morons ?!) problem is that "anything could be a firewall rule", ie, this is a place where the scripting turns upon the whole machine state. which makes me suspoect there's a more fundamental error at work somewhere (possibly the very attempt to build a pantsuit net, allcomers-based, possibly something else), but until we get a fix on that...
asciilifeform: ( recall the mig scrapyard in timis ? )
asciilifeform: the seekret is that supplies last, theoretically, for long time, there are folx repairing t34 and mig21 today.
mircea_popescu: but it's way the fuck better to maintain this car than to try and what, 20k for last year's kia ? noty.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform will replace engine with other car's engine at some point.
mircea_popescu: but take bartholomew, the early 2000s bmw. all it needs is maintenance.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who do you have doing it, then
mircea_popescu: oh, i wouldn't trust the locals to smith inside it.
mircea_popescu: i have a pile of old autos, they're a joy.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: prolly a far cry from the master smiths of havana, who can fit toyota engine block into lada, with moskvich transmission
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is mule and dump country. They take old Jap cars and flip the steering to the other side.
asciilifeform: folx like asciilifeform , only have any pocket money left , because they're willing to lay out the grease rag and spend whole day+ inside gears, belts
mircea_popescu: "i know... the way to win is to be as vulnerable as possible!"
mircea_popescu: "you know... the soviets had a website like that."
asciilifeform: asciilifeform goes and conujures up the 'unobtainium'
asciilifeform: i could tell 9000 stories like this, they all end same
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know i suspect one of the washing machines could do with fixing...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> speaking of which, BingoBoingo you ARE making cozy with dc tech people rite ? taking them out to smoke & crimping them to pot or w/e it is they do socially there ? << Fairly friendly with them now that Rodrigo (Fellow who decided to be the point man in the February affair, ben_vulpes met) is gone.
asciilifeform: ( as it is, i spent good % of weekend in crapple store, and other % -- fixing fucking washing machine with own hands )
asciilifeform: if i knew how to do errything without vlsi, that can be done with, i'd be having tea with mircea_popescu in the palace on neighbouring hill, perhaps.
asciilifeform: some things i presently know how to do without vlsi. one of them was trng, and did.
mircea_popescu: rather.
asciilifeform: rright. ideally you want to know what's possible before reaching the 'das war ein befehl!111111' stage
mircea_popescu: on one hand people shouldn't be sent to do things that can't be done ; on the other hand somethings gotta can be done or else we're all sunk eventually.
mircea_popescu: whether there is a hole there or isn't is an iffier problem. i am not overconcerned with it ; understand that wheever, in the großer generalstab or corporate boardroom, the story's always the same : "and we should send brigadier-general X to reduce the bulge" "it can't be fucking done, are you out of your mind ?!"