asciilifeform: i could've sworn there was a mircea_popescu piece re subj
asciilifeform: btw hanbot didja know there is a 'sysco'
hanbot: perhaps the bs was in crisco networking?
mircea_popescu: gargauntuation day! << can't read that as simply "gargantuan" without "unction" squeezing its way in there. ewgh.
mircea_popescu: so does the kuiper belt.
mircea_popescu: as the garudushu.jpg clearly proves.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all pantsuit 'philosophy' in the end resolves to 'you say you have brain, but we have BIGGER BOULDER haha'
mircea_popescu: from end to end, this, the same stable this. from "i can not read this book, the words contradict" "psychopath!" to all the way, it's all the same fucking problem : programmable machine or boulder ?
mircea_popescu: the entire echafaudage of pantsuit is, in last examination, not so much an attempt to protect "the indolent from the active", nor (as separately seen), a guarantee to impotence for "ecology". but rather, jointly and singularly, pantsuitism is an attempt to protect the world from words.
mircea_popescu: THAT is the underlying, "Particularly "criminal" - using a computer in the manner it itself allows to be used." in http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm/#footnote_2_59725 ; that's WHAT "color of bits" is all about.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall also 'the progre could not master speech'
mircea_popescu: the more i think of it, the more i believe this to be the correct formulation. it's not merely, or specifically "me -- hither ; herd -- thither". it is quite specifically, and all-importantly : do words rule your worlds ? or do you expect "your world" to overpower my words ?
mircea_popescu: but how far this goes is breathtaking -- consider, luminaries such as tlp, at the edges arguing exactly that, "words shouldn't have power" ie http://trilema.com/2015/that-unpleasant-moment-when-principles-you-were-supporting-strictly-because-of-the-principle-of-the-thing-and-pointedly-not-because-of-the-convenient-manner-in-which-they-worked-upon-a-restr/#selection-89.0-89.50
hanbot: pretty much. i can see contracts mapping to rights as mouthed by they with no conception of what rights mean neatly.
asciilifeform: ( iirc hanbot's Dark Fyootoor Where Only War (tm) had planetary divide b/w 2 factions, 1 who believed in contract and other - not )
mircea_popescu: amusingly, i am working on piece re the necessary benefits of uniting with africa. guy in 1850s intuited quite exacrtly this, "well... animals don't need most of what interests you for anything"
mircea_popescu: or rather, "she has rights", which means, no matter what the words say, if she dun like it the morning after "she was raped" and incamom will make it right
hanbot: mircea_popescu quite. you oughta simply infer the meaning from its context! gargauntuation day!
mircea_popescu: the implication is simply -- "i do not need words for anything and why should you".
mircea_popescu: nciples (ie, words) over people themselves!!" as well as http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ etc.
mircea_popescu: thinking about this... i guess this, THIS is actually the very substantial difference. "words shouldn't be able to break my bones", ie, have any effect AT ALL. "here i am, and here's the ass, and the hole in it ; it works as it works and what do you mean contracts ?" readily unites http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853128 with http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/#selection-153.473-153.587 "abstract pri
asciilifeform: unlike some folx (as late as '16 some confessed to git ) asciilifeform does not use heathen versiontrons internally, strictly 100% v from aug '15
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prolly like most folx who actually work on proggies, asciilifeform has '9000' vtrees on various disk, on various boxen, that are in classical format, and many not even intended for publication, the ones that see daylight naturally will become newtype
hanbot: they'd put all this effort into elaborate cakes, fancy roses etc, but spelling is difficult, and looking shit up is too much effort.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854699 << my favorite part of that cakewrecks site was all the "happy garaudashun!" cakes.
mircea_popescu: and you can't put "this is keccak" in manifest because it has to get into the manifest through being in the filename, rather than just in the comment line ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 18:48 asciilifeform: and incidentally i flatly refuse to have keccak patches on my box that are not outwardly distinguishable from old v. i'ma either use .v extension, or if mircea_popescu entirely hates, i'ma stuff e.g. asciilifeform_keccak in the names ( names currently not constrained by anybody )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 20:37 asciilifeform: really the barbaric sha2 has lived out its life
a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 20:05 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You are very welcome. After the fucking two imports bullshit and first DHL flunky insisting on just getting a refund from Amazon, /dev/null is not an option
asciilifeform: would rather switch wholesale to phf's, since it apparently performs to satisfaction of diana_coman
phf: theoretically one could just wire it into existing infra instead of sha512sum, get all the keccaking for free
asciilifeform: ( for that matter , i could use standalone keccaktron also, but dun recall whether we have one or it needs baking )
asciilifeform: really the barbaric sha2 has lived out its life
mod6: mine does not do the graph-resolution as proposed by phf & esthlos.
phf: i just got aarch gnat operational yesterday, so i'll republish it as a single tree anyway, but as of right now i think only esthlos's v does the fancy graph resolution
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i.e. http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You are very welcome. After the fucking two imports bullshit and first DHL flunky insisting on just getting a refund from Amazon, /dev/null is not an option
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mod6 , phf , et al : is the 'canonical' (i.e. most recent usable) oldv-tree of newstyle-v the one on phf's www ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ty for the update
BingoBoingo: Still going to look for a copy of Dr. Tristan Narvaja's Código Civil de la República Oriental del Uruguay at the feria named for the fellow
BingoBoingo: In this case the only motherfucking wop bastard seeing pesos in the execution of the rescue is the bus driver.
BingoBoingo: things. For its part however DINAMA will not be collecting a fee for its part in registering the business of me as an importer exempt from producing a waste management plan.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: lemme know asap when you learn whether the disk crate went irretrievably into /dev/null or not << At this point I am waiting for confirmation on my theory of the problem. I have identified the proper trámite and paper work it requires. If I am right in this theory other than my time, this will require a cross town bus ride to inconveniently located office to show papers and sign other papers swearing
diana_coman: as said above: it can certainly wait 24 hours and preserve history, what; and anyway, the tester part I see more as a branch only, because of the modifications required for testing purpose only (e.g. making the udp generic)
asciilifeform: ( maybe the smallest item i've genesis'd to date )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you'd rather proceed immediately, and generate a newstyle tree, i'ma read it and sign also.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, works; publishing code is anyway good excuse for another review, so it'll take me some time too anyway
mircea_popescu: the things that end up discussed as a result of "wouldja publish proper tree so others can patch on it already"
asciilifeform: ( so long as also rename the seal )
asciilifeform: theoretically mircea_popescu and errybody can rename patches to be anyffing at all
asciilifeform: so i take it it's going in the names.
asciilifeform: i ain't about to keep arj files on my box that are actually zip eithe
mircea_popescu: hey, i didn't tyell you to take the insane stance ; merely the necessary result thereof.
asciilifeform: as is 9000 other items
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform delete sha patches then.
diana_coman: out of curiosity: why "asciilifeform_keccak" rather than "keccak"?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 17:48 mircea_popescu: because it fragments the sensata-perceptible identity of the v.
asciilifeform: and incidentally i flatly refuse to have keccak patches on my box that are not outwardly distinguishable from old v. i'ma either use .v extension, or if mircea_popescu entirely hates, i'ma stuff e.g. asciilifeform_keccak in the names ( names currently not constrained by anybody )
diana_coman: I'm also not sure re naming convention for patches as I thought it was to use "_" ? i.e. why is the errata named udp_errata.asciilifeform?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: what's the fastest way to do this ? ( i.e. do you recall whether phf published his converter ? or do i gotta crank it manually )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, udp tester seems to be nicely running uk->uy and uy->uk so my next step on this will be to publish all the relevant code; since this is effectively on top of udplib, I'd patch it on your tree; mind moving it though to keccak?
asciilifeform: one way or other.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lemme know asap when you learn whether the disk crate went irretrievably into /dev/null or not
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/09/anti-trump-wop-trolled-into-championing-fake-accuser-troll-job-then-exposed/ << Qntra - Anti-Trump Wop Trolled Into Championing Fake Accuser, Troll Job Then Exposed
BingoBoingo: Orc paper hell is orc paper hell, but once this bitch gets digested it seems like it will open up slow boating piles of shit in from China when Pizarro grows to the point we can use that.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> not if you want to improve circulationm lol, gotta plug the vessels. << Pressure sensitive check valve which leaks if they roll into unapproved positions.
mircea_popescu: not if you want to improve circulationm lol, gotta plug the vessels.
asciilifeform: and wondered why they even keep their legs, could snip'em off, improve circulation...
asciilifeform: quite a few cannot. BingoBoingo has the full detail...
asciilifeform: the twist, is that ~can~ stuff it further, i've seen with own eyes even fatter specimens
asciilifeform: reminds me of a 1890s brit caricature i once saw, where 'esteemed gentleman's beagle has died, and he took it to 2 taxidermists...', one cheapskate, who offered him just skeleton with sock on it, other who used air pump, offered doglike baloon, with the phrase 'human strength can stuff it no further!' caption
mircea_popescu: the politically correct term is merwhale.
mircea_popescu: ok, figured it out. /me shall add to the article.
asciilifeform: there's a fancy-scaling thing, iirc -scaler sumthing , https://www.dosbox.com/wiki/Scaler seems to have the goods
mircea_popescu: incidentally, do you recall right off how to force dosbox into fullscreen-scaled-up rather than alt enter full screen "here's some black margin" ?
Mocky: asciilifeform, reports are that cost of living there is in same ballpark as US UK, with the exception that housing prices continue drop as gulf states embargo continues
mircea_popescu: noty, the (very nice, btw!) screen on the hp envy was part of ~the other part~ of the experience.
asciilifeform: lemme know when it is time to ship to mircea_popescu the trinitron.
mircea_popescu: besides, drive just read once, kept the 50mb or so in memory by all appearances.
mircea_popescu: BUT IT WAS THE EXPERIENCE
asciilifeform: i'd make iso. cuz of all the things i miss about physical dos boxen, sitting for 25min and listening to bzz-whzzik aint one of'em
mircea_popescu: it's not particularly useful, "mp just make an iso". but it is a great thing when what you're doing is sitting there going, "look, this, this is then."
mircea_popescu: yes, but dosbox can't check the mount point
asciilifeform: cuz how the fuck i know what is its label if i pulled it out of 20yo binder
mircea_popescu: but the FUCKING SOLUTION would have been to make mnt labels work properly.
Mocky: the step one stuff is well documented, the steps 2 & 3 are not and my current info is gleaned from 5 diff reports by foreigners. situation on the gorund could be different
mircea_popescu: (in practice - /media exists because i want to mount d /media/cdlabel rather than mount d /mnt/64randomchars)
asciilifeform: who the fuq has a permanently affixed cdrom nao
mircea_popescu: and /media is so that the whole /cdrom /cdrecorder /cdfutipemata don't overwhelm /
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol they renamed 'mnt' ?
mircea_popescu: not sure in qatar, but really this is the sorta thing gotta be evaluated on ground.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: All the more important to have an action plan for what to do with the ones he does find
Mocky: re inspection: i think they just want to see the place is real, has proper signage and has some necessary plackard posted on interior
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: recall, it's the place where 9 in 10 is a d00d, and the chix are in gynecaeum and dun see daylight. supposedly, at least.
mircea_popescu thought we're still 2weeks awya from the momentuous event
mircea_popescu: well he';s not there yet!
mircea_popescu: she was liek "no, really, all i must do is see you have the keys"
mircea_popescu: in argentina the "inspection" consisted of girly from the local tax office following me to the place. i unlocked, she was like "ah, ok" i was like wut ? come inside, have a drink, walked all thios way.
BingoBoingo: Mocky next step would be a Trade License which requires lease of physical location and inspction of same. << What are the Coworks like over there?
Mocky: mircea_popescu, this first step of Commercial Registration gives trade name, ability to open corp bank acct, accept customer payments, purchase company assets. In addition to small fees there's an annual fee of ~400 to 2000 USD per declared business activity, each activity has its own fee. This process appears to be quick and easy.
BingoBoingo: I figure if I can stuff a couple scuffed up dice in the appendix, it's all over for them in less than a month
mod6: Lords and Ladies: Please let me know if you have any updates to the list of Advertised Republican Nodes.
mod6: morning Mocky! Yeah, thanks for asking. Still have some lower-back pain, but otherwise, feeling good.
mod6: Email to btc-dev ML went through for the excise hash trunctation + manifest.txt: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000311.html
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-price-of-loyalty-revisited/ << Trilema - The Price of Loyalty, revisited
Mocky: mircea_popescu, forming an LLC in Qatar requires a bank deposit of 200k QR (55k USD) which can be withdrawn after the company is formed >> http://www.mec.gov.qa/en/services/commerce-corner/Pages/How-to-establishment-a-new-Commercial-record-and-new-.aspx
mircea_popescu: in the end, useless hp box found new life as heroes 2 playstation.
BingoBoingo: Not much to do but meet them at their level, put the chains on, and drag them with their words
BingoBoingo: Diplobags isn't out of the question. This place is littered with embassies.
asciilifeform: i'm still scratching head, re how the contents of all those derp racks got there. diplobags ?!
BingoBoingo: I eat them, customs folk can't imagine that, hippos dance, the lobos marinos sing, and at some point PizarroISP the musical will resound through the Gossipd equivalent of torrents
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but you don't sell anything. you're going to eat them
BingoBoingo: Reused as arts and crafts materials could work as well. These folks love their cardboard
BingoBoingo: Or apparently if you sell USB drives in their shells
BingoBoingo: And... they specify "artículos eléctricos y artículos electrónicos"; Looks like I am getting a new piece of paper to hang on the wall.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, reading more on DINAMA and Aduanas. At this moment it seems registering as an importer of packaged products and coming up with a waste management plan might do the trick: En el alcance del decreto 260/007 se establece que toda empresa importadora o propietaria de marca que pone en el mercado productos envasados, deben encontrarse inscriptos en el registro que llevala DINAMA y contar o adherir a un plan de gestión de residuos
BingoBoingo: The principal in the traffic case was Pocahontas, Illinois (and the rest of Bond County) can be arsed to get the radars they buy used calibrated.
mircea_popescu: well, also a matter of principles involved. "these schmucks stole my shit, what matters it was only $300" sounds a lot better than "i am so fucking cheap, ima try and beg mom to let me off hook for $75 in damages".
BingoBoingo: My past civil experiences could have had that effect. The traffic court case over a 75 USD speeding ticket prolly not.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, in the reading of the now it looks like it could be a small wank where I may have to register the business of myself as an importer of products packaged in non-reusable packaging
mircea_popescu: good for spanish in any case, and to impress the peruanas.
BingoBoingo: They have one, one person wrote it, as legal writings go it can't be an awful read
mircea_popescu: moreover, uruguay is if memory serves civil rather than common law. even easier to do.
mircea_popescu: alrighty then.
BingoBoingo: There's a group that regularly smoke circles in front of the datacenter tower, will get on it.
mircea_popescu: it never yet happened that "my decision to not talk to this stranger paid off". seems counterintuitive, is nevertheless the case.
mircea_popescu: well, so talk to them
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prev 3 datapoints suggested 'can mail with 30% bakshish' ; but apparently yes, will have to return to orig hypothesis.
mircea_popescu: http://cascadianhacker.com/least-effort-signups-in-django/comment-page-6#comment-755 << there's also something straqnge going on there.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo you ever talked to the chinos ? i mean specifically the supermarket folks. they routinely blocade run, might be able to get you some shit ? << I'm trying to find restaurant Chinese here. The only Chinese Chinese I reliably come across are new chinese wearing suits and renting WTC to buy cows.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 21:12 mircea_popescu: the method you're currently using is and always was regarded as braindamaged at best.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854493 is right there in black and white : "Based on my experiences with customs both times, anyone taking hardware to Spaceship Montevideo must conceal as much of it in servers as possible, and unbag that which cannot be plugged in, as items that are "new in box" trigger the customs officials no end."
mircea_popescu: I reached out to this new contact, one Martin << whatever happened to this fellow btw ? story as recorded by ben_vulpes seems altogether inconsistent with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854501 ? did i miss some developments ?
asciilifeform: there is no substitute for experiment.
mircea_popescu: it's not been my experience anywhere ; including the us.
asciilifeform: i'd normally expect would be dismissed with prejudice, under 'article 12345: we do whatever the fuck we want and suck it' but this is possibly biased by life in usa
mircea_popescu: i don't expect it's expensive, no. besides, very likely will be arbitrated rather than adjudicated
mircea_popescu: if nothing else, will introduce him to the courts ; and open a whole new lolz front.
asciilifeform: this was my impression as of this morning. and was also my impression that BingoBoingo went and danced the asked-for dance with the orcs, and thereafter eggog is to vanish. but turns out -- not.
mircea_popescu: file papers for conversion/theft against the agency and one individual involved (pick whoever you least liked) personally and there you go.
mircea_popescu: i understood the complaint as "apparently someone somewhere is under the impression BingoBoingo can't get 3490874389 crates shipped because there's a law about local morons being limited to 2"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the exact point of eggog is unclear to me, this is why i asked BingoBoingo to dig.
mircea_popescu: maybe i misread, but that wasn't the problem ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik erry uppity peonistan regards errything mailed there as customsable
mircea_popescu: anyway, the one point here that's not clear to me at all is why would anyone expect uruguayan law applies to us ? BingoBoingo is not a national, what fucking "dinama" ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you ever talked to the chinos ? i mean specifically the supermarket folks. they routinely blocade run, might be able to get you some shit ?
asciilifeform: if this were a 'of 4 rockets, 1 falls into the sea' asciilifeform would not blink even.
mircea_popescu: well in any case, 1.3 surcharge * 1.4 risk of loss means almost 200% the price.
asciilifeform: i.e. i have nfi whether '4 in 5' or '100% after 3'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's actually the part that set my blood pressure
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform would it be fair to say the discount for risk-of-loss through this process is about 40% ? ie, 2 in 5 shipments are lost to it ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and incidentally, dunforget , yer the chair nao ! so if you have smarter idea, plox to say asap.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do what remains to do to put a proper cross on the grave, and after that i'ma start taking cargo manifest calls.
asciilifeform: sorta why i posted a $5 cable the 1st time.
mircea_popescu: so then why getting excited.
mircea_popescu: whatever you pick of that 5ish items list, the "let's see what happens if you amazon it over" was never more than that -- novelty lulz item.
asciilifeform: there aint any.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, source it locally ; or get a company off the ground already, get it a customs agent and process the crates there.
asciilifeform: the old newspapers is worth a shot. and if this fails, it'll have to run like antarctic station, i.e. supply rocket quarterly-semiquarterly, and priced in.
mircea_popescu: amazon whatever the fuck to your house, and either ferry it over in luggage or else mail it over in old newspapers. what you're trying to do is the mail equivalent of http://cascadianhacker.com/classically-inept-couriering
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can you think of less braindamaged ? ( say i had budgeted 9000 spares for april expedition. then we'd be sitting on 8994 lemon drives. )
mircea_popescu: the method you're currently using is and always was regarded as braindamaged at best.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, 1s delay seems to result at least on UK->UY direction on preserving even order at destination, at least at this hour; at any rate, I'll look at it tomorrow and unless I can spot some trouble, it should then be chugging along
mod6: diana_coman has a point, aren't we supposed to grease the wheels in such a palce?
asciilifeform: 'tis a crying shame that mircea_popescu doesn't live in uy... i suspect there's a cunt somewhere who needs flaying.
asciilifeform: rrright, somebody bothered to open & sniff'em
BingoBoingo: And going has to be tomorrow because offices are closing for the day at this hour
BingoBoingo: Well, I'll have to read an go to the physical places tomorrow.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: find out, what the everliving fuck.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc there was some physical place, to which you went ? perhaps time to go there once more.
diana_coman: to me it sounds very much like the usual bakshish/peshkesh request, lol
asciilifeform: how the fuck would i know !
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm beginning to suspect enemy action (i.e. some 'well-wisher' made a call to 'the right organs' in orcistan, or somesuch )
asciilifeform: if we can't even get motherfucking crate of 300 $ disk mailed, will have to organize an expedition ahead of schedule.
BingoBoingo: In other completely unsurprising finds the Linux cock writer is <b>MR.</b> "Coraline" Ehmke
asciilifeform: lol , gotta ask what then'd be a 'nonstandard' ?
BingoBoingo: Related: Will be sleeping at a hostel tonight after spanish class to keep in touch with my roots. That and people give me the heads up when its pizza night (free calories).
asciilifeform: 'Taipei police reportedly next handed Wilson over to the National Immigration Agency. Though Taiwan lacks an extradition agreement with the US...' << unsurprise
mircea_popescu: of course, they gave it a "happy ending", but it's fucking obvious what ~really~ happened.
mircea_popescu: there was a film about "successful negro reclaimed by streets", walk of shame.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo found bf/drug dealer, is happily working the ghetto streets now ?
mircea_popescu: i can't begin to guess why it'd go nowhere, i mean, a) insulting people by using their own words often works (on retards, why would it not work on people who say what they mean & mean what they say ?) and moreover b) summarization works on everything else, why'd trilema escape it and c) wtf is this strategic superiority jazz and who ever heard of the rhino-mud-birthday-gift issue. and so on
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey, usg 3ringbinder talmud prolly decreed that they must try at least 11 times..
mircea_popescu: lulziest shit ever, there was at the time a whole redditactivism thing that aimed to (somehow) hurtfully & distressfully associate trilema with the expression.
mircea_popescu: speaking of stupid girlfriends of naggums : anyone recall the "obituary" lulz ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo linus got nut off with her stupid mother.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what the FUCK are "poetry circles" ? what fucking circles ? something like http://trilema.com/2015/mps-very-brief-foray-into-a-poetry-forum/ ? or not even ? << That. Get high go to coffee shop with bongo drum, etc
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> so d00d linused himself on the stake, huh. << Linus is a line in the Wilson piece because presumably Wilson at least got his nut off with the little girl who fucked him
mircea_popescu: what the FUCK are "poetry circles" ? what fucking circles ? something like http://trilema.com/2015/mps-very-brief-foray-into-a-poetry-forum/ ? or not even ?
asciilifeform: so d00d linused himself on the stake, huh.
asciilifeform: imho there is substance to mircea_popescu's 'winblowz was created by supernumerary children who failed to find grave in time' hypothesis
ave1: wow, that never happed to me yet, if the scripts somehow can cause this please report!
phf: well, the system in question also has empty /usr/include at this point. so yeah things got clobbered
phf: by then adacore gnat gcc already managed to compile a whole bunch of stuff
ave1: to debug it, just try to compile a basic C hello world with the AdaCore gcc (and also with the system gcc, with -v so that it shows you the paths)
ave1: phf: I suspect this modern systems has placed the C library and crt1.o etc in some wierd place
mircea_popescu: it is the singular misfortune of the world that the sort of people who lived before computing lived before computing, and the sort living with computing are the sort we see around. i'd very much like these switched, give computers to that newman and give typhus to the current professor of logic.
mircea_popescu: if only c s lewis went to the same oxford as j h newman! what ample oddles of bellybutton lint'd have been spared the examination! how much better the prose, and the world resting upon it.
mircea_popescu: dude manages, 50 or so pages in, to fully explain the fucking problem. "i gave up on this idiocy because upon first serious examination -- idiotic". i can see that.
mircea_popescu: that it was but the work of accident, if there be such a thing as accident; that it had come down in the particular shape in which the English Church now receives it, when it might have come down in any other shape; that it was but a toss-up that Anglicans at this day were not Calvinists, or Presbyterians, or Lutherans, equally well as Episcopalians. This historical fact did but clench the difficulty, or rather impossibility
diana_coman goes to tweak the knobs again, will bbl
mircea_popescu: It did not produce this effect on Reding. Whether he had expected too much, or whatever was the cause, so it was that he did but feel more vividly the sentiment of the old father in the comedy, after consulting the lawyers, "Incertior sum multo quam ante." He saw that the profession of faith contained in the Articles was but a patchwork of bits of orthodoxy, Lutheranism, Calvinism, and Zuinglism; and this too on no principle;
mircea_popescu: formers were introduced; and nothing was wanting, at least in the intention of the lecturer, for fortifying the young inquirer in the doctrine and discipline of the Church of England.
mircea_popescu: "It was a capital lecture so far as this, that the tutor who gave it had got up his subject completely. He knew the whole history of the Articles, how they grew into their present shape, with what fortunes, what had been added, and when, and what omitted. With this, of course, was joined an explanation of the text, as deduced, as far as could be, from the historical account thus given. Not only the British, but the foreign Re
diana_coman: (it can be done though, if one really wants it, basically an Ada task to be repeated hourly, but I don't see the benefit to that)
diana_coman: receiver is always on, but there's not much point in sender being always on
diana_coman: btw, there is no "idle", no; sender sends and finishes, what idle? it'll get started again by a cron task
mircea_popescu: yeah, i don't think we're trying to study bursts or saturation here. rather a study of the route under best conditions so to speak.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 15:40 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854241 <<< she;s gonna publish the code with the first batch of results, so anyone can / everyone's invited to replicate.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 15:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854282 << i don't get it, 50 packets / hour is less than 1 per minute. this can't saturate anything. are you doing the burst in the sense of just dumping all the packets on the interface in 2 s and waiting the 3598 other s idle ?
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854304 -> burst is burst so yes, dumping all without any delay; among other things that's why those pilot tests, to decide on/if delay
phf: (the previous error i mentioned in logs was probably using same compiler before it was installed into its destination, because it was being invoked with explicit -B flags (-B flag points to compiler bits explicitly). this new failing bootstrapped compiler would work if provided explicit -B which makes me guess that some phase that was supposed to get compiler into knowing where its bits are failed.)
phf: well, i have some idea what's going on, the binutils build is attempting to use bootstrapped gcc, which in turn can't find its own link objects, one sec on log
mircea_popescu: "phf: the problem with publishing ununderstood spew is that you're potentially publishing forever"
asciilifeform: 'See `config.log' for more details.' >> what's in there, phf ?
phf: mircea_popescu, ave1 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QtjVR/?raw=true this was the log from the last invocation, but i'm not sure if it's representative of an issue. this was downstream from a handful of hacks and manual invocations
asciilifeform: makers of physical objects, i can reluctantly forgive for failing to produce shelfifier. but those of ideal objects -- for them there can be no forgiveness
mircea_popescu: ~this~ is the fundamental problem of the world, and the whole fucking point of gnosis (as the cvasi-religious movement) : creator was ~evidently~ fucktarded, nothing to be proud of.
mircea_popescu: most people emulate this by getting larger kitchen so headbang on cabinet less statistically likely. then they have more floor to clean.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reminds of ancient convo b/w asciilifeform and pet : 'p : 'i want a shelfifier' a: 'you mean, a shelf' p : 'no, shelfifier' a: '...' p: 'device that produces shelf where and when needed, then removes' '
mircea_popescu: "but mp... eventually... you'll have to do SOMETHING." "yes, and even without that maybe eventually i will do something. this gives no one license to pretend the inadequacy of ontos is now gnosis' problem."
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 16:15 mircea_popescu: hanbot any clue why the selection trick dun work on nicoleci 's blog ? was this not in the tree or ?
mircea_popescu: what people want is what people want, and then "what is available" tries to fuck with this.
mircea_popescu: "people are keeping their office uncluttered through sheer force of will, and there's a bunch of crap trying to rape this, such as 'ring binders'."
a111: Logged on 2013-12-22 16:56 asciilifeform: 'what people want is a function of what they learn is available. e.g., do Americans want three-ring binders, and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of the infor