asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf http://btcbase.org/patches/v99#L36 is not 'bug' in the usual sense of the word, but imho oughta be fixed in next rev
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 04:29 deedbot: http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vpy-updated-for-vtools/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - v.py updated for vtools
esthlos: trinque: asdf is used to join the pieces together (keccak, gpg, etc.) for use by the vtron proper. I tried to build the vtron modularly, and my understanding is that asdf is the standard for handling modules in common lisp. is there a better way to do package management in cl?
diana_coman: ave1, you forgot to change manifest file for your zfp_4_assert.vpatch? (i.e. it's missing from the list in manifest)
diana_coman: phf, please add the fix patch to eucrypt http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/#selection-391.0-399.38
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856041 << me (&chet) stopped overnight into one such item, on the mexico-guatemala border. endless halls of clean but modest beds, dozen or so to the room. place could've prolly quartered a whole regiment, but not the right agricultural moment so we were alone in the whole thing. it was pretty eerie anyways.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856174 -> I suppose new world hostels might be better than old world ones, esp italian ones (though I'll grant that they were best for meeting people, yes)
mircea_popescu: (nfi why they don't credit laplace -- other than protestant-ish ineptitude. presbyterians code!!!).
mircea_popescu: every single insurance company in the world found itself genealogically related to insurers who made payments in the 1800s, resulting in a legal battle settled sometime in the 90s, ~90% award to the finding crew. the leader of which went into hiding soon thereafter, in the middle of various legal wranglings with his backers and crew.
mircea_popescu: in other random lulz : the panic of 1857 was at least in part generated by a ship carrying 14 tons of gold towards new york sinking in a hurricane (took a whole day to sink, boiler slowly died leaving them without power, quite the adventure, 500 people died, the captain was kinda cool etc). some people from ohio found it ("bayesian search!!!") in the 80s.
phf: heh, it's the midnight special, night of v double feature
deedbot: http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vpy-updated-for-vtools/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - v.py updated for vtools
esthlos: trinque: wrt the keccak vtron, see http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YWfb5/?raw=true . I haven't managed to get asdf working with ccl, though the sbcl version builds and appears to work. Note that the thing will barf on non-keccak vpatches. Write-up will come in the next few days. I also have some log catch-up to do: will read the context and repond to your other question soon.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in random : https://www.thebalance.com/trump-s-tax-plan-how-it-affects-you-4113968
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 03:31 mircea_popescu: (and, amusingly enough, the founding donation was a whole of a lot less than 10 bitcoin, also.)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856280 << to put specifics to this, the original endowment was set at $5mn during meeting with harvard president (who came up with the speciffic gimmick too, stanfords were thinking of "A combined museum-lecture hall" and such nonsense). 1885 us gdp was something like 60bn, and the us was barely 1% of the world at the time. meanwhile 10 btc is 1/1.6mn of monetary mass or somesuch.
asciilifeform: it's a q for the current board. i suggested to ask hanbot because hanbot is known as a very skilled organizational hand, and not currently running anyffing ( aside from, possibly, mircea_popescu's janissary corps )
mircea_popescu: and even if they won't, what harm can come of sitting with charter an' logs.
hanbot: sure. well, i'd want a day or two to sit with the charter & selected logs before committing, if the involved parties'll have me.
mircea_popescu: the man dwelling in an empty house saying "hey, at least my furniture's flawless" is no-one's hero.
mircea_popescu: gotta have both. that's the fucking point.
hanbot: mircea_popescu i grasp principle of something > nothing, but i'd hate to lose sight of the spirit in which tbf was founded for the sake of notoriety/sticking power alone. i'd think this is obvious and i'm by now belaboring the point...
mircea_popescu: what i said in response uses the black box as she might define it, irrespective.
mircea_popescu: me either. her term, she may define it.
asciilifeform: then i have nfi what specifically is meant re virii
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: could've sworn we had the 'infect with trb' thread ..
hanbot: asciilifeform i'm not unsatisfied either. speaking merely to the recent questioning of tbf's purpose/existence/etc in logs.
mircea_popescu: spread some fucking virii. do somethbing rather than not do something.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856273 << i dunno who's unsatisfied, but it aint me, i'd call another 4y exactly like prev 4y, a win
hanbot: inasmuch as tbf clearly has a soul i'd think being true to that trumps the potential growth offered by a given gimmick. otherwise why isn't it for instance spreading virii?
mircea_popescu: gimmicks are therefore gimmicks.
hanbot: okay, but are gimmicks that work therefore good?
mircea_popescu: the difference between gimmicks is that some work and some don't ; nobody calls the stanford gimmick by its name for the exact same reason "treason never prospers". but the whole "enlightenment" pantsuit gambit, from the original d'alembert to the present day, was nothing but a gimmick.
mircea_popescu: do pantsuit actually give two shits about education establishments ? eminently not, they're the leading obscurantists of all time.
hanbot: fwiw i don't doubt tbf as-is lacks legendary promise. i can also see argument for pushing as hard as its resources allow. i wonder: does the republic actually give two shits about e.g. sports teams? how much of this "means to an end" sorta thing is acceptable? or is it outright looked for?
mircea_popescu: organize a baby duck marathon competition and server the winner for a gala dinner. whatever it is, just make it stick.
mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit how. sponsor a sports team, for all i care. god knows the charter's written openly enough to not get in anyone's way who wants to do things.
mircea_popescu: even past the grave.
mircea_popescu: make the foundation undo stanford university, i'll be happy.
mircea_popescu: the stanford douche and his entire fambly, and his entire "business interest" ie life's work long withered away. stanford university still stands.
hanbot: how much does the "person-ness" of those "people interact(ing) with it" matter, if at all?
mircea_popescu: (and, amusingly enough, the founding donation was a whole of a lot less than 10 bitcoin, also.)
mircea_popescu: this means, to live. if stanford university today were nothing more than an entry in the rich guy's lawyer's workledger, it'd not live. as it is, it lives.
mircea_popescu: however, it ~actually exists~, today. plenty of people interact with it that might not even have heard of the douche in question or his insufferable drowned son
mats: hot off the press https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/30/california-signs-law-to-require-women-on-corporate-boards-.html
asciilifeform: i wonder whether hanbot is interested in taking up tbf chair .
asciilifeform: ( i expect the cure will be a 1liner, once i think of where exactly )
asciilifeform: meanwhile in asciilifeform's trb observatory : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SEy0g/?raw=true << 'bastards' emitted by ( among others ) friendlies. really is imho bug, trb ought not to send bastards to trb.
mod6: I will do so formally after the Pizarro report is complete. We will be needing to find a replacement for myself as Co-Chair.
mod6: I'll be working on the Pizarro report over the next few days. After which time, I'll start looking into creating a keccak version of the TRB tree.
mod6: It seems like the BTC-Dev mailing list is still not working properly. I have posted the September State of Bitcoin Address to my own site in the mean time: http://www.mod6.net/2018/October/1/btcf_address_201809.txt
BingoBoingo: Because the locals are shit at giving directions
mircea_popescu: if you don't know how to get to toilet, you have problems gizmos won't fix ; and if going anywhere else why the fuck are you by yourself.
asciilifeform has entire zoo of systems like this, sometimes goes 'wtf' and tears one down, then weeks later remembers why built it...
mircea_popescu: eh, van schman. but yes, sitting down and thinking about it it became obvious enough that it's not all that clear to me neither what problem i'm supposedly solving nor why exactly what i'm doing is a solution. suddenly looked like so much wasted effort.
asciilifeform: ( personally i'd rather not trumpet 'oh he unsheaths key erry morning at 6', it tempts the white van. but mebbe justme)
asciilifeform: by my reckoning, if $client is porous, resetting it periodically won't help any moar than rebooting winblowz does; if not porous, then waste
mircea_popescu: i dunno, seems a great way to go about things, theoretically.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: out of curiosity, what was the orig logic
asciilifeform: in other minor noose, 100% of blox since this morning on zoolag are from tbf/pizarro, with exception of 1, from mod6's 208.94.240.42.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz it was becoming a pain in the ass. always this work/reward paradigm, i tried it out for a while but eventually seemed meh.
asciilifeform: ( on voyage to BingoBoingostan, i left my navigator at home, then alternated between regretting it, and then thinking 'but i can go faster..' )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 21:22 mircea_popescu: "i didn't really pay for this book" is symmetrical with "amazon stole the item i bought out of my '''shelf'''", provided you use pantsuit definitions of the terms. since when the fuck is random usg asignee getting "paid" for shit some unrelated third party meanwhile deceased did ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:46 mircea_popescu: can't see the former as anything but "i stupidly gave my data away to some schmuckfarm which now owns me", but then again i don't solobike nor have any interest in navigating-by-map, either i know where i'm going or i'm exploring. but anyways, we don't have to copy each other.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856171 << btw after my voyages with navigate-by-pnoje and the attendant frustrations with shit reception / bw tolls, invested in cheapo wrist-sized passive satellite thing. 0 maps, but will take you to specific coordinates, save waypoints, etc
asciilifeform: could have taken the 30 silvers and turned into esr in 1999, didn't.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855943 << they are exceptionally good at a) misdirecting it and b) alloying it with just enough shit to make it shiteutectic.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856140 << while i get mircea_popescu's angle of 'linus quisling, was always quisling then' , imho moar complicated, d00d did keep systemdism etc out of the kernel for 20yrs, somehow.
Mocky: can-am's, trikes for old bikers who can't balance on two wheels anymore with bertha on the back
asciilifeform: phunphakt, it isn't even related to the infamous at&t monopoly, it is the thing formerly called 'cingular' in '90s, they simply purchased the trade name
asciilifeform: ( not esp. surprised that the lone surviver is at&t, the single worst bang-for-bux carrier in usa that i know of )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 21:23 Mocky: at&t. they gave me the phone and I pay monthly. interest free loan basically
asciilifeform: Mocky: there's a commercial variant that's popular where i live, tricycle-motorcycle. all of the hospital bills, none of the vroom, i have nfi what is the appeal..
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:15 Mocky: https://imgur.com/a/legqmjr complete with van seats, build in tool box and walker onthe back
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:14 BingoBoingo: https://moto.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-456319930-yumbo-max-110cc-autom-_JM << Backbone of the local delivery fleets here
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-09-30 19:20 mircea_popescu: the us is still very much a rural item, most dwellers tend to spread out roots like that. consider ben_vulpes 's been working for MONTHS at disentangling a household that includes no acres of 100 x 100 missile launch tubes, no train of slavegirls, nothing much more than the migration unit of great depression period.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:10 ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-9-30#436976 << absent the fence, coulda been done vastly more quickly.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:08 Mocky: I saw there's a harley store in Montevideo. one in Doha as well
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856109 << am i the only one who read this title and thought 'they showed fat chix instead of boxer'
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 18:01 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851082 << speaking of, i took off the 6am disconnect thing.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856035 << fwiw despite BingoBoingo's 'exterminator's eye' view , not errything and errywhere is infested, asciilifeform for instance toured BingoBoingostan (and even the infamous hostel) for just short of week and not bitten 1ce
mircea_popescu: the usg that "is" gotta pay to continue to somewhat-get to claim it exists.
mircea_popescu: we're not discussing an imaginary alt-usg "as it could have been". we are discussing the usg that is.
mircea_popescu: brothel objectively exists ; whores really are whores. some people go to theatre and pay the actors, IF THE ACTORS ARE THAT GOOD. but in general, most wanna-be actors PAY to be not-outright-thrown-offstage. like in both http://trilema.com/2016/tangerine/#selection-69.246-69.505 and http://trilema.com/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope/#selection-69.0-73.177
Mocky: it does break the comparison. but I still don't see it
mircea_popescu: this is breaking the comparison.
mircea_popescu: "welfare state". that's what the words mean.
mircea_popescu: at&t, like any other usg agency, is not a business in any sense. it is a conduit whereby the usg pays people the rent it owes for the continuance of its (otherwise baseless) pretense to existence.
mircea_popescu: there's no fucking symmetry. only subjects capable of ownership are in the wot. there is no franchise, meaning no voice and no ~capacity of ownership~ outside of wort.
mircea_popescu: "i didn't really pay for this book" is symmetrical with "amazon stole the item i bought out of my '''shelf'''", provided you use pantsuit definitions of the terms. since when the fuck is random usg asignee getting "paid" for shit some unrelated third party meanwhile deceased did ?
Mocky: re unlocking phone, hey if there was a reliable unlock procedure for my phone model I'd take it, but I've failed to find one. 'I don't really own it' is symmetrical with 'I haven't really paid for it'
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 17:54 Mocky: anyway I decided to skip the hostel cuz 100% indian laborer gulag barracks, and went for air bnb room with door lock and kitchen/laundry access
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856041 << me (&chet) stopped overnight into one such item, on the mexico-guatemala border. endless halls of clean but modest beds, dozen or so to the room. place could've prolly quartered a whole regiment, but not the right agricultural moment so we were alone in the whole thing. it was pretty eerie anyways.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 15:19 Mocky: asciilifeform, diana_coman: my phone's not paid off so can't unlock. maybe those hundies that could pay it off will find a better use in the short term, so that's why cheap second phone. and yeah, roaming turned off.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856000 << i kinda don't follow the logic here ? i thought unlocking is a take-ownership-of-item-in-possession affair, what's the color of bits to do with anything ?
mircea_popescu: can't see the former as anything but "i stupidly gave my data away to some schmuckfarm which now owns me", but then again i don't solobike nor have any interest in navigating-by-map, either i know where i'm going or i'm exploring. but anyways, we don't have to copy each other.
Mocky: computing on phone for me has a couple of big wins. one is my workout app with 5 years of weight lifting logs useful while in the gym ~every day. the other is weather app that shows rainfall prediction graph at your location by the minute for next hour. priceless info for biker
mircea_popescu: a waffle maker that can add is an unremarkable waffle maker and a very bad mathematician.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 14:39 BingoBoingo: That works too. Just try to price phones there, it will likely be cheaper to pick up the cheap unlocked deal before you depart
Mocky: also superbike championship will be going on while I'm there https://www.circuitlosail.com/events/2018-world-superbike-championship/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855951 << - >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856046 turns out the lulz weren't that random at all.
BingoBoingo: https://moto.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-456319930-yumbo-max-110cc-autom-_JM << Backbone of the local delivery fleets here
mircea_popescu: the new world has some of the shittiest, most overpriced vehicles in the world. second only to their internet/comms.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-09-30 19:20 mircea_popescu: the us is still very much a rural item, most dwellers tend to spread out roots like that. consider ben_vulpes 's been working for MONTHS at disentangling a household that includes no acres of 100 x 100 missile launch tubes, no train of slavegirls, nothing much more than the migration unit of great depression period.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-9-30#436976 << absent the fence, coulda been done vastly more quickly.
mircea_popescu: Mocky i bet you better bike is to be found cheaper 2nd hand there than in the states.
mircea_popescu: neither a nor b are minor considerations.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 04:17 asciilifeform: my contention is that linuses are red herring, they are powerless to prevent sane engineering when the capable folx stand up.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855943 << they are exceptionally good at a) misdirecting it and b) alloying it with just enough shit to make it shiteutectic.
mircea_popescu: course more practically, he's prolly selling rather than shipping the bike, and so...
Mocky: I saw there's a harley store in Montevideo. one in Doha as well
BingoBoingo: mocky AAA does the US international driver certs, place to find out the rules is prolly going to be motorcycle store
Mocky: well only one week on turist visa, after that need resident permit or something. i may not have the full story
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I am thinking even if I only part with a pair every couple months, that would still be habitacion module power bill paid. Or if they don't sell I'll still have my gringo eyes protected.
Mocky: which they are coming down of 105 degree summer to 90's autumn, so pretty good timing actually
Mocky: speaking of the sun, it's barely getting up to 80 degrees here anymore making short sleeved motorcycle rides iffy. If only there were some place warmer to go
BingoBoingo: I am very tempted to price a fuckton of walmart/gas station spec sunglasses and bring them in, sell for 1500 pesos each to foreigners
BingoBoingo: The local options all have lenses trivially tinted and put a blue cast on everything.
BingoBoingo: I forgot to bring them when I left the habitacion module on the way to the feria. Didn't feel like turning back to retrieve them. 9 km later nursing a sun induced headache.
Mocky: good idea with the sunglasses btw
BingoBoingo: Gotta pay the BBC somehow
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Not sure, but they alway required a license for OTA, usually enforced through being a flock of NPC non-people like the Uruguayos
Mocky: what, do they have scrambled ota now?
mircea_popescu: most successful at making me drop shit to see what the fuck now.
mircea_popescu: these qntra titles...
BingoBoingo: Don't forget the sack full of gossipd relays
mircea_popescu: i have seen waffles baked in the sun!
mircea_popescu: ever heard the like of this before ?
mircea_popescu: so the kids are jealous of your advanced age.
mircea_popescu: in this view then, duck is compact ; willow is fuckt.
mircea_popescu: the us is still very much a rural item, most dwellers tend to spread out roots like that. consider ben_vulpes 's been working for MONTHS at disentangling a household that includes no acres of 100 x 100 missile launch tubes, no train of slavegirls, nothing much more than the migration unit of great depression period.
mircea_popescu: kinda like duck will take off at the slightest provocation, but the willow under which it took off will not go anywhere even if buckshot.
mircea_popescu: ie, fisherman and fish both interact with the fishing hook. this happenstance dun make the fisherman a fish -- he interacts with right end in right way.
mircea_popescu: it's a tempting misread, of course, but the fact that i spend the occasional hour interacting with my interfaces with random "social media" site dun do anything to me. it certainly can't be said "oh, mp is on reddit ; robots count".
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855888 << i think the important cut is salary-or-theft (ie, are you being raped or being the rapist in the relationship). the mere act of graciously permitting the pantsuited morons to deposit their ~worthless paper bits into your drawers is not in itself anything. children've been doing this since time immemorial, arts-and-crafts'd mom a card for her bday, this doesn't make the woman any mo
BingoBoingo: Reading the package it is Industria Argentina, which means it will be smaller and denser than an alfajore Uruguayo
BingoBoingo: If we get a beedog here and further Republcian colonization of the Orient(Latino Edition), people are going to have to eat.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> haha, start export bidniss!!1 << Not out of the question
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I plan to photograph and review it on the blog. I have a suspicion it is constructed in a way that would make it far more popular in its homeland than in this frontier it has adapted to.
BingoBoingo: In other updates I have acquired a copy of the "Código de Comercio" printed in 2000 at the feria. I also spotted an odd syncretic novelty: "Alfajor Oreo"
mircea_popescu: the will to power is a quest towards meaning, after all. fortune's supposed to MEAN (ie, enact abstraction into carnation) something.
asciilifeform: somehow either fortune or nuffin
mircea_popescu: this is that : ambitious moron with krysha forces open some community chest or other, discovers that it wasn't after all mp's glasses that did his reading for him by themselves.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform swindled, failed to mp with the swindle.
mircea_popescu: there's bunches, but usually in "business", as the us renders the "oligarch" concept when it's domestic rather than abroad.
mircea_popescu: the pharma kiddo
mircea_popescu: that theranos broad.
mircea_popescu: my own read was that linus was run of the mill man-alone, ran into the usual pike ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-31#1838412 ) awaiting these.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 18:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855879 << for the record, i think it's a uniquely stupid (to the degree of, http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/ level stupid) to attempt to "mp oneself" off community chests. it is the saddest, most vulnerable derpitude, and it produces http://trilema.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/ 's not mps.
mircea_popescu: contemporary polite way of rendering the concept of "lost", i assume.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:37 asciilifeform: trinque: tru. but nobody's about to become mircea_popescu off what's in the tbf piggy as we know it..
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855879 << for the record, i think it's a uniquely stupid (to the degree of, http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/ level stupid) to attempt to "mp oneself" off community chests. it is the saddest, most vulnerable derpitude, and it produces http://trilema.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/ 's not mps.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851082 << speaking of, i took off the 6am disconnect thing.
Mocky: anyway I decided to skip the hostel cuz 100% indian laborer gulag barracks, and went for air bnb room with door lock and kitchen/laundry access
BingoBoingo: If you want to do a half measure you can get the shit labeled for use on pet bedding.
BingoBoingo: The idea is that you luggage soaked in permethrins and other repellent insecticides sits in the airplane or hostel and mad dogs any would be intruders.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> oh nm it is BingoBoingo's, from the old days , nm << There's still a node running on .253 and .252
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 14:59 BingoBoingo: Mocky: How are you doing on soaking the luggage in poisons?
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855980 >> trying to avoid the poison really, seems pretty light on pests
asciilifeform: fwiw hand-addnode'd folx will still appear in the advertised table.
asciilifeform: but the current situation also has problems.
asciilifeform: i still have a dark suspicion that actually changing the logic like this could eventually result in a 'star topology' around a miner
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 22:21 asciilifeform: prelude to actually rebaking the coad that does the address-collectin' (so to prefer folx who actually supply blox, to the dead weight people )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: not particularly urgent experiment, i dun expect we'll do anyffing constructive with the output until after regrinds etc
asciilifeform: oh nm it is BingoBoingo's, from the old days , nm
diana_coman: that is the most useful yes; but also 1 block from 192.187.99.74
diana_coman: and hm, it seems that it's more like ~all from one single node actually? (pizarro hosted, yes but is that the only one that is hosted by pizarro?)
asciilifeform: i've nfi then who it was
diana_coman: I don't see 149.56.19.79 in the list of advertised nodes
asciilifeform: as for others, i dun recall who is 149.56.19.79 but iirc also trb
asciilifeform: ^ spoiler/anticlimactic -- loox like just about all new blox on zoolag come from the pizarro noades
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855579 >> http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/trb/9_30_ProcessBlock.txt << thus far .
asciilifeform: (i.e. one where you can make/receive calls, and maybe even read the l0gz)
asciilifeform: Mocky: there's typically a way to crack pnojes and unlock whether vendor wanted to or not. but you may or may not want to burn the time to do this, a reasonable pnoje can be had for pocket change
Mocky: asciilifeform, diana_coman: my phone's not paid off so can't unlock. maybe those hundies that could pay it off will find a better use in the short term, so that's why cheap second phone. and yeah, roaming turned off.
asciilifeform: ( and nao 404, and afaik there is no copy )
asciilifeform: then again possibly i would not today agree that it were good, having since renounced e.g. heapism
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you find it in the l0gz, plox to link
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there was a site (nao dead! incidentally.) with didactic/trivial pieces
diana_coman: really? I thought there was a site you were recommending precisely for "good ada code", wasn't there?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: interestingly, just about my entire collection of vintage ada, with the exception of that little serpent thing, qualifies for this museum.
asciilifeform: Mocky: most folx buy local sims if they hang around for any length of time. why wouldja want to pay your telco roaming fee for 8 weeks.
diana_coman: possibly even buy a bunch of cheap ones, unlock and then just plug into them whatever/wherever sim(s)
BingoBoingo: Mocky: How are you doing on soaking the luggage in poisons?
BingoBoingo: That works too. Just try to price phones there, it will likely be cheaper to pick up the cheap unlocked deal before you depart
BingoBoingo: Mocky: I got my sim at a mall kiosk. You may find better luck at the airport.
BingoBoingo: Rather than using the cell network services orcs tend to funnel much of their contacting through "Whatsapp" so hygeine accordingly
mircea_popescu: in other not-really-news, i had some "old parr" at bar/disco (that had nothing else). that thing is distinctly the sheep bladders whiskey.
jurov: And the IP address mirror is the foundation box where I'm presently migrating the mailinglist.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're yours for so long as pig corralled.
mircea_popescu: the error to this view is in assigning agency to animals. they had none. whether the proverbial diamonds are in my safe or in my pigs, they're still mine.
asciilifeform: was however speaking of the other commonality -- the absence of anyffing one might confuse for a design
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:10 asciilifeform: whereas when somebody throws coin into a prb wallet, for any reason whatsoever, whether because he is idjit or because we made it harder to avoid, that's coin into usg coffers.
asciilifeform: when beads look +ev to the chief -- bang, sold.
mircea_popescu: pay, and pay to pay, and pay to pay to pay. and http://trilema.com/2018/the-republic-without-mp/#selection-175.0-175.383
asciilifeform: linux is a sad story for same reason as the sov pdp11 - 'why didja copy liquishit when could have made sane design' 'but CHEAP! and legacy coad! and warez!' it was economic 'forced mistake'.
mircea_popescu: every hour you spend suing the government is an hour you don't spend burning down the police station.
mircea_popescu: and all the people that put in, a man-hour or a man-decade into his project (i don't mean the fucktards, i mean ~the actual people~) could have done something useful in that hour or decade.
mircea_popescu: linus is the shaman in this picture. i'd have been better off without any linux, than with his sorry ass excuse for an os.
mircea_popescu: i would rather die of the fucking colic, than spend time at the shaman's "office" and then die of the colic anyway.
asciilifeform: my contention is that linuses are red herring, they are powerless to prevent sane engineering when the capable folx stand up.
mircea_popescu: so then what are we talking about.
asciilifeform: not being immortal, i dun deal in 'eventuallies'. fact is that plenty of things for which 'was no linus' still to this day not resolved in any form , and i dun expect to live to see resolved, either masterfully or ineptly
mircea_popescu: if linus wasn't around to subvert early republican effort, it's not the case "republic wouldn't have ever existed" ; but it is the case republic would have been greater and better without his despicable ass.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you think if lincoln didn't show up to fuck up the us constitution under the guise of "black chicks code", the issue of black chicks and coding would have never been addressed or somehow resolved ?
mircea_popescu: and this is what they do, and this is the bitter fruit whereby you know them : their activity results in things being worse than if they never existed at all.
mircea_popescu: these fujcking morons managed to turn ~~~AVIATION~~~, humanity's oldest dream, into a LIFETIME NEGATIVE VALUE activity.
mircea_popescu: had it fizzled in 1993, like so many other vaporware manalone projects, the world today ~would have been better off~.
mircea_popescu: it is ~regrettable~ linux even got started AT ALL in the current circumstances.
mircea_popescu: the ~only~ thing you get out of "removing obstacles" is another linus debacle, whereby you belabour for however many decades under the false flag of an unredeemable asshole. he will sell you out, and pretend he's doing you a favour.
mircea_popescu: what impedes them is not it, but everything-not-it, namely : themselves. their miserable orc nature. if it washes, let it wash, and if it doesn't wash, let them hang.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:08 asciilifeform: if idjit breaks it, he can do no harm thereby that prb does not already do; if he runs a valid node, it contributes to strength of the net.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855832 << translating the scripture has the significant disadvantage that all sorts of morons "get to thinking" about "how it should be", down the line you end up with anglicanism, protestantisms, etc. the fact that scripture is written in human language is not "impediment put in way of orcs".
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:06 ben_vulpes: is there some fetlife for nerds funnel under optimization?
asciilifeform: ( i actually have nfi why they havent yet )
asciilifeform: even politically. they have option of unwinding segwit, say.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i meant politically, not technologically. yes, technologically they owe us more than they owe their mom & dad.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:51 asciilifeform: and yes if there were some magical way to get errybody who benefits from tbf and ergo working btc net, to put into the piggy, it'd be splendid, thing could fund even such things as flotillae of noads, or even trbi dev, etc, whoknows. but there is no magic. and it is a lucky thing that tbf in fact has the coin with which to do the bare minimum and host patches ( not on shitazon! jurov ! ) and handful of reliable nodes.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855821 << imo the only limiting factor in foundation finance atm is the twin perception that foundation doesn't need more money nor has anything useful to do with it if it had more money.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:47 asciilifeform: the continued convertibility of btc into saecular goods, e.g. rack space, is not separable from healthy 'ecology' sadly.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855820 << the only advantage is that ecology is largely self-minding. i didn't tell the power rangers morons to shoot themselves in the face. i told them not to ; and they did anyway.
asciilifeform: miners relevant collectively, rather than individually. like ears of corn..
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:45 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if heathendom drifts far enuff into prbism, as things are currently we're blockless
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855817 << they coulkd if they would. they don't because they're not-credible proven-retards.