asciilifeform: 'hey we bought the beethoven-maker and it dun make no moar beethovens'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for actually doing things worth the mention. that's all.
mircea_popescu: yes, it's true, europe is in a rut, beyond ridiculous. this is what europe fucking does, and has been doing, it cycles. yes there's oodlebunches of useless old women about, but already the young cunts are very much oriented upwards.
mircea_popescu: let them credit the fed general acct with as cheap items as can be had in counterparty for it, so the fed extends "college debt" to the above morons, so they have kids and move europe outta the present lulz.
asciilifeform: it still aint 100% clear to me for what exactly china needs the white devil. recall when the brits had to hook'em on opium , to buy tea ? ( cn prior would take only gold/silver as payment , and brits were running low )
mircea_popescu: well ? the FACT of the matter is that reproduction is -ev. always was, too. so little yellow men wish to participate in the affairs of humanity by essentially taking on the role of the human female ? this is a crime now ? should be hated for attempt to participate as best can ?
asciilifeform: i do recall a mircea_popescu thread where ' i dun care how they run the barn, i'ma drink the milk ' or how did it go.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-03 12:41 asciilifeform: i still dun fully grasp the middle kingdom's 'feed the enemy until he dies of old age' philosophy, so cannot comment
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732326 ? here's what it buys them : mp can't now declare racial fatah upon the little yellow men. because why would i, so they're kindly keeping large numbers of white idiots around to reproduce. as per http://trilema.com/2015/the-genetics-of-intelligence/ this isn't even a bad move. so they bought the managing to go around with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859521
BingoBoingo: My hypothesis is that the short ones look less capable of pursuing their bag, among other disadvantages
asciilifeform: lolhow's that ? does mircea_popescu throw ladder down from dirigible to the tall ones?
BingoBoingo: Either way the virtue will be intact, but the shorter she is the greater the chance sack gets grabbed
BingoBoingo: Depends on how tall the girl is
asciilifeform: lulzy. BingoBoingostan struck me as place where you could , per the chinese proverb, 'send virgin with sack of gold coins from one end to other, and keep both virtue and coin'
BingoBoingo: He also parroted idiot Uruguayo line about the insecurity
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This guy claimed to have an older business partner back in the states, moved on to Patagonia after a month and a half
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: these loltrepreneurs, the folx milling about in 'co-op', fearing mumps, building alt-fetlifes -- what did they live on ?
BingoBoingo: I just suggested the next time he's smoking out in his hovel that he watch that Citizen4 Snowden documentary
BingoBoingo: One of the fellows ranted and raved about Masonic conspiracies yet advanced the position "I don't see why anyone would be advantaged by not using GoogleSpyDevice as their 'conputer'"
mircea_popescu: whole point of their exercise is "you can be a slave to stupid empire EVEN WITHOUT traditional trappings".
BingoBoingo: "Geographically independent" and Google tethered
mircea_popescu: precisely. "we're the sinowhores" 5th column.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> all code that ever runs anywhere is getting loaded in head. there's no way out of this. << Relatedly in my times here I have met a number of "digital nomads" who use chromebooks as issued by Google and evangelize for them. Rather than "loaded chromeOS into head" they strike me as "leased head to google"
mircea_popescu: and, amusingly enough, they're ~still~ all into "multiculti" bs and still not "oh, here's the keys tmsr, lead us out of the shit".
asciilifeform suspects the story is a rich lulzmine with many gold veins yet to appear
diana_coman: neah, he wanted to visit the town
mircea_popescu: well, i can say : the town is london, so i can understand why he'd rather sit in airport.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/usg-and-victims-deny-allegations-of-chinese-ownership-of-their-implanted-servers/ << Qntra - USG And Victims Deny Allegations Of Chinese Ownership Of Their Implanted Servers
diana_coman: yes, I would honestly simply stay a few days in that town then at least, but what can I say
mircea_popescu: but 30 is a diff game altogether. sleepover sorta gap.
mircea_popescu: i used to connect through frankfurt with a 6ish hour gap for lunch and merriment, back in the days.
BingoBoingo: Nah, see this is the new artisanally diverse aviation. How dare you impose your engineering on these snowflake turbines!
diana_coman: honestly, this is how it sounded! kind of reason why I asked him what airline was that because it's the first time I hear such a thing
diana_coman: back from wherever they got but surely not from london, lol! I understood it was the type of "took off, flew a bit, something wrong, going back because can't risk attempting to cross the atlantic"
mircea_popescu: good thing he placed a 30 hour gap there lmao. "what are you going to do in heathrow for that long !? " "fly back and forth repairing planes."
asciilifeform: 'uhm, turbine's loose, lemme go to the depot 11000km from here'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i never heard of this lol. maybe they only got as close as halfway-1.
mircea_popescu: this sounds so fucking suspicious lmao. did they leave without all the mocky surveillance ? :D
mircea_popescu: diana_coman wait, HE repaired the plane ?!
mircea_popescu: that might be the record jump. where'd you two meet ?!
deedbot: diana_coman updated rating of Mocky from 1 to 5 << Runs towards scary stuff rather than away from it. Met irl.
mircea_popescu: which drives the fundamental difference between zek and republican : some people are satisfied before satisfaction is on the table ; some only after. that's all.
mircea_popescu: and the "i have nfi what excel is doing" observation does not reduce to "i have not fully read and thoroughly understood" ; but instead it reduces to "i have read and fully understood -- and i fill overquickly". ie, "i am dumb, easily satisfied and easily amused".
mircea_popescu: because no, the "i know ~exactly~ what the computer is doing" declaration is not optional. exactly like socrates' observation, "the man claiming no political system has political system", exactly so, whatever the claim, to run code on machine equals the declaration of having fully read and thoroughly understood. there's no wiggle room.
mircea_popescu: what exactly is to be deemed the difference between bunch of retards gathering together to worship gappy nonsense in some cave and bunch of retards gethering together to pretend like they know wtf the computer is doing, in some concrete re-enactment of a cave ?
mircea_popescu: notice ~why~ it is random derp uses [ie, acts as if has loaded in head] pile of gnarl like say excel, or "telegram" or "kubinetes" or w/e : FOR LOVE OF BROTHER. "we all do it". but it sucks ? "yes well."
mircea_popescu: i can't detect ambitiously indolent stupidity has changed in any way since the days we fed them to the lions.
asciilifeform: possibly to sufficiently expert entomologist, the current idjicy is linearly mappable to the older one, even; i have nfi
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform everything's explicit to the sufficiently trained eye. as they are unexplicit through confusion to moron today -- so they were 2k years ago. as directly visible to me then, so visible now.
asciilifeform: current lot of derps seems to make'em up as they go
mircea_popescu: (which is ~literally~ what fucking happened, "i was made by people too stupiud to make sense, BELIEVE in me" is the cry the guerre of the stupidgod.)
asciilifeform: the old christian claptrap , that birthed current pantsuit, at least made the creeds explicit
mircea_popescu: unremarkably enough, the pantsuit religion is then "the religion of love". cuz god "so loved his children", he gave them windows and asked them to use it.
mircea_popescu: no sense, but people themselves before abstract concepts!!" aka "if you really loved me you'd buy this house/ring/kid/whatever yo ucan't afford" etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole " Naturally, since these types of morality focus more on abstract concepts rather than the people themselves, expect some rather nasty extremism." http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/#selection-71.327-71.472 item has a lot of bearing here : the only way empire mind can make it to the end is through a LOT of jumping across gaps. thus they came up with this doctrine of love, "this makes
asciilifeform: let's also recall the fella who ate a boeing.
mircea_popescu: (i think trinque especially enjoys reading these)
mircea_popescu: this is what breaks the imperial brain, too : we stick to our trees being continuous, like blockchain. to zek -- luxury, can not be afforded.
asciilifeform: aha not run, once finally cut off with welding torch from the items that are to be run
asciilifeform: either loaded or thrown
mircea_popescu: all code that ever runs anywhere is getting loaded in head. there's no way out of this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform whether you manage [to a standard of your satisfaction, or of my satisfaction, or however define] or don't manage has no bearing. it's still getting done.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 14:36 mircea_popescu: "but mp, you don't understand how the world works" "what is the meaning of '''new''' in the context of '''similar enough to old for this scheme to work''' "oh, it doesn't PROMISE to stay that way! this pile just works as long as it does!" "which isn't a promise ? and if it stops working, what, time for linux-backports-compat-compat, a set of scripts to update the set of scripts that updates...?" "YES!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my profession the saeculum in fact reduces to 'cut'em up and try load into head, sawing through active resistance by orig author'. it is possible to attempt it. and there are other people whose profession is to lift heavy objects in the circus. but they will not be lifting garbage truck.
mircea_popescu: and i have done a moderately shitty job of having loaded in head the entire linux backports project.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, there's no such thing as the option of whether to load or to not load. if it runs -- you're loading.
mircea_popescu: the difference between the bank clerk who "knows how to run excel" and alf, who can produce cp101a, is not, as you think, "has loaded in head ?". because bank girl has, after a fashion, to inept standards, somewhat loaded windows in head. that your loading is better than her loading is true, and that items move from worse to better in hands of republic and from better to worse in hands of empire is also true.
asciilifeform: for instance, i did not load bdb into head, and don't intend to try, i dun have the 20 yrs that it'd take.
asciilifeform: if pile of shit -- then all that remains is to dig through it, if must, for the gold ring in it.
mircea_popescu: because the "not loaded in head" thing is illusory. someone somewhere will.
asciilifeform: i dun see how it is not only not irrelevant, but in fact the ~only~ thing that's relevant when encountering a pile of coad.
mircea_popescu: there's no escape from the "any live code -- loaded in head" rule, and this is why you even get the "code -- small" tool.
asciilifeform: if coad was never loaded whole into a working head, it is not properly speaking an artificial object in the sense of being designed, but moar of an excretion, i.e. pile of shit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because idiots hallucinated the option of "not loading in head", the code in question now works as a sort of digital frontier : whoever loads more faster wins. hence "hackers".
mircea_popescu: that's the only distinction reality permits : between code that is run, and code that is not run. whether the task of stuffing it in head "is feasible" according to the head in question or any other heads is entirely irrelevant.
asciilifeform: if not loaded ~whole~, then not loaded in head.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most of the extant liquishit was never loaded whole into any head. ( just as applicable to winblowz, openssl, crystalspace, etc. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not simply 'does it run' but all of the possible states.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty ordinary. i hear the chinese took it further still, if you want to rent a car there, gotta give'em gsm sim #, to get the latter, passport... etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the only way for that to not have to happen is for someone to chisel down the 5mb. because your hallucinated "option" as to whether you load or not load has 0 bearing -- the only question is whether the 5mb run or don't run.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-08 15:48 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1858956 << this view, sweet as all delusions ever are, nevertheless is not tenable. live code is live code, and that's the only categorical distinction. whether you'd like to eat the spitoon or not is a signal reality's not pulled out pins to capture.
mircea_popescu: pretty much all the empire shit works by this "only way to get an x is to link an x' to an y' to the x" device. by now it's actually usable as an empire-detecting heuristic.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-08 13:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the pnoje people called me at ~800hrs to confirm the # ; but apparently there's meat magic involved and it aint live yet ( lessee tomorrow )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859386 << how the fuck did they have ~your~ number.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo he's with the boy scouts, wants to be prepared.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Are you calling the auction early or something?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 17:03 asciilifeform: this worx great for theorems, algos, but not so much for MB of coad soup
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1858956 << this view, sweet as all delusions ever are, nevertheless is not tenable. live code is live code, and that's the only categorical distinction. whether you'd like to eat the spitoon or not is a signal reality's not pulled out pins to capture.
mircea_popescu: from the anthropology/hoc pov, this is possibly the best example to point to when defending "civilisation had ended prior to 1990" thesis.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-08 13:22 asciilifeform: and yes i'd rather have 2 half-sized batts than 1 large, this is elementary, esp. given that the 'large' are made of N smalls
asciilifeform: granted, 'modern' lappies, with the 16:9 monstrosity, typically do have 1280+ horiz pixels.
asciilifeform: aaand that's if you can coax emacs into not wasting the 1st and last cols.
asciilifeform: e.g. the x60, has 1024.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-08 00:29 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859338 << afaik, also made this point. why the fuck bother with anything under 16 bold, what, they've won me at poker ?
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathen lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852860 turns out to be https://archive.is/vs21A : brazilian shitware, mostly for 'd-link' konsoomer routers
asciilifeform: ( not peculiar to this vendor, apparently is the case for all of'em )
asciilifeform: also , for anyone who hadn't rtfm'd , 'tollfree' pnojeism worx only in usa . errybody else gets to call direct to the actual pnoje.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the pnoje people called me at ~800hrs to confirm the # ; but apparently there's meat magic involved and it aint live yet ( lessee tomorrow )
asciilifeform: and yes i'd rather have 2 half-sized batts than 1 large, this is elementary, esp. given that the 'large' are made of N smalls
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859359 << 1950s volkswagen , with its 2 tanks, had the right idea
a111: Logged on 2018-10-07 19:02 mod6: BingoBoingo: Please to bid 76M for hanbot's auction -- between this one and trinque's, we're already half-way there to next month. Not bad!
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858745 << figure's there, just pop a 0. on the front end.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-07#1859242 << this wasn't you calculating the btc value of my auction, was it?
BingoBoingo: But naturally all of the pantsuit flavored publications are painting this as "Candidate Underwhelms By Failing To Avoid Runoff" instead of embarrassing overperformance versus their polls
BingoBoingo: In other local new, Make Brasil Great Again appears to have nearly outright won the presidency. Still waiting on official results, but instead of the 27-30% take he was supposedly polling now it is looking like a 45-50% take
BingoBoingo: At this point, untraining the hands is likely to be a challenge
a111: Logged on 2018-10-08 00:12 BingoBoingo: The hands adjust
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859338 << afaik, also made this point. why the fuck bother with anything under 16 bold, what, they've won me at poker ?
mircea_popescu: but, by the time lappies started, thinking was long out of us process.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-07 23:59 phf: what's kind of silly and i think mp made that point a while ago, that none of the manufacturers of that vintage attempted to do a swapable battery. a dual battery slot, or a smaller internal battery that would keep the thing powered for ~60 seconds it takes to switch the battery
asciilifeform: esp. pizarro voyages, these will always call for lightest available lappy, erry gram costs.
asciilifeform: i can easily see why mircea_popescu doesn't do lappies, and i wouldn't either if i didn't regularly get meself into adventures that require'em
BingoBoingo: I dunno, I think my hands have the stockholm syndrome pretty good on this issue
BingoBoingo: Aha, 8 fingers is part of the trick
asciilifeform: i ordered a sample recently , just for the hell of it.
BingoBoingo: The hands adjust
asciilifeform: phf: incidentally i found that sharp inc makes b&w lcd's that run on 0power when holding picture, and beautiful 100% reflector-powered picture. but their biggest is iirc 4 in. and 336 × 536 .
phf: serial port, obviously ethernet, etc.
asciilifeform: even if i finally crack the puzzler of c101pa boot and encuntooation -- thing's palpably small.
phf: i'm weird in that respect, i don't mind seeing pixels, reminds me of better times as far as computing. i make it extra ugly too, e.g. i run windowmaker, aliased fonts, the works
asciilifeform: phf: at one time there were rumours of a ips panel that could be stuffed into x60 and had compatible connector/timings , but afaik it's just that, rumour, i was never able to get close to one
asciilifeform: phf: screen is the big sad
asciilifeform: phf: i have a massive lenovo tank lappy that takes 2 batts. but it was out of the question on acct of mass
asciilifeform: phf: thought about soldering a supercap in there
phf: what's kind of silly and i think mp made that point a while ago, that none of the manufacturers of that vintage attempted to do a swapable battery. a dual battery slot, or a smaller internal battery that would keep the thing powered for ~60 seconds it takes to switch the battery
asciilifeform: phf: i drained the battery in ~2h on airplane (putting finishing touches on rk gentoo), then again in the rack (1st usa->orc mains plug brick fell apart) then again on roof...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Likely how it made it to the feria. Feria is powered by dumpster finds and sticky fingers
phf: i've traveled with it before, but yeah, i'd turn it off, plug it in somewhere, turn it on. c101pa on the other hand has an insane battery life: i've been running it in pure console mode, and it will last a day or two
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I might have seen it at the feria recently on a table that also had a Macbook Air...
asciilifeform: ( mass budget allowed for 2 batteries, and i ended up tossing one right there in BingoBoingostan )
phf: right, i basically treat the battery as a ups, i.e. hold it long enough for me to move it from place to place
asciilifeform: and the battery ( i've bought 4 types of replacement, incl. supposedly 'original', none lasted > 6 mo. )
asciilifeform: ( i fucking hate the lcd on that thing )
asciilifeform: all but for the lcd
phf: it was left behind on the x60, and picking up x60 again reminds me just how nice of machine it is
a111: Logged on 2018-10-07 18:59 mod6: mircea_popescu: Cool, thanks. Was thinking that maybe nicoleci would start with a simple small set of pre-canned responses, and also collect contact information. And during the call, any questions not covered by set of canned responses, can be written down and handed back to the forum or Co-chairs for answsering.
phf: differ is also c code, i wanted to figure out how to make the rename tracking algo pure ada, and then have it drive the differ, rather than writing more c code, but i'll see if i can manage it
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 23:58 phf: i have couple of hours tomorrow, so i'll pick up the deletions and renames code either way, and either release it, or give an estimate for how long it will take me to bake it
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1859086 << picking up previous code, patcher already works (which is the easy part), but differ is not there yet. i should be able to get it working in the next week
a111: Logged on 2018-10-07 20:10 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-lolz-inflation-continues-unabated/ << Trilema - The lolz inflation continues unabated.
BingoBoingo: In still other news, Conner McDayofFailure lost a match in a his rules fight league. His opponent went on to apparently jump the cage and beat McDayofFail's corner while the victor's corner hopped in the cage and beat up on McDayofFail some more
BingoBoingo: Well, Frank the ditch might accidentally into some
mircea_popescu: the very feminine attitude, too, "here's my cunt, come find me". what the fuck ?! nobody's going anywhere looking for dorky boys.
BingoBoingo: At this point whether someone looks like they can throw arespectable punch is a pretty good heruistic for sorting white trump voters from terminal pantsuits cucks
BingoBoingo: Kinda what the pnoje movement is coraling them into. Directory structure free containment
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-lolz-inflation-continues-unabated/ << Trilema - The lolz inflation continues unabated.
mircea_popescu: at least if they stuck to smileys and bs.
mircea_popescu: these people never fucking used a computer, have none of the habits of computer use, no implicit semantics, nada.
BingoBoingo: I mean 25 to 35 percent unemployment and the Banco Central is stuck with a klepto because "public employee"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: resitution is powerful, but the mitigating factor was... kleptomania
BingoBoingo: In other news from insanity land: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/robo-a-sus-companeros-pero-el-bcu-no-la-destituyo-porque-devolvio-el-dinero-2018105212741
mircea_popescu: just in case anyone else's making audio cd's for the car, for i in *.mp3; do ffmpeg -i "$i" -f wav "${i%}.wav"; done
mod6: Beyond this, a list of answers to some obvious first questions can be added. Other questions not covered can be written down and sent to us for answering, emailing resposnes.
mod6: mircea_popescu asciilifeform hanbot : Here's a stab at just the introduction part of the call-sheet: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IFdDG/?raw=true
mod6: Ok, if any others pop up, that I don't (for whatever reason) see, just holler. Will get ya the coins.
mod6: Any left over, can be simply retained by you, and accounted for next cycle, or you can send me back the remainder, if that's how you'd like to handle it.
BingoBoingo: ty, will also keep my eyes open for other new auctions that pop up
mod6: Alright BingoBoingo that's more than enough, but leaves you some wiggle room to make some counter-bids, should they be required.
diana_coman: and it's the one running the proto-cuntoo; I think it's needed at least until we can migrate to cuntoo+gnat
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, yes; atm it's anyway used for the udp
diana_coman: is uy3 the test s.mg server?
mod6: I'll send you the coins here in just a bit.
mod6: BingoBoingo: Please to bid 76M for hanbot's auction -- between this one and trinque's, we're already half-way there to next month. Not bad!
mod6: Also, unrelated to that... S.MG's UY3 invoice is still open (for september). Just a heads up - obviously no big worry or anything. Just saw that the S.MG statement is out there, didn't want ya to overlook that.
mod6: mircea_popescu: Cool, thanks. Was thinking that maybe nicoleci would start with a simple small set of pre-canned responses, and also collect contact information. And during the call, any questions not covered by set of canned responses, can be written down and handed back to the forum or Co-chairs for answsering.
BingoBoingo: But what bigger Lulz is he distracting from? Trump got his judge, Bolnasaro is going to the beach tomorrow before beginning his run off campaign, and is Mosul still there or is it another six weeks?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz, "A Banksy was left in shreds before an shocked audience moments after it was auctioned off at Sothebys in London for a record $1.4 million. The British artist, whose identity is still unknown, timed his painting, Girl With Balloon, to self-destruct via a shredder hidden in the artworks frame."
mod6: If the idea is for nicoleci to go further and answer questions from persons herself, yeah, we probably aught to have a list of pre-canned responses.
mod6: mircea_popescu: That seems at least like a decent place to start; some sort of greeting and gathering of contact information.
BingoBoingo: And fat forehead party has come up with their response to #vivirsinmiedo... it is #UruguaySinViolenciaEnGenero
mircea_popescu: not like there's some rush.
asciilifeform: i suspect it's at least partially meat-powered shop : 'Please be advised that a sales (Account manager) will reach out to you at their earliest convenience .'
asciilifeform: latest update -- they ate asciilifeform's 17bux, but did not disgorge a form for choosing the # yet
mircea_popescu: nicoleci your phone became the end point for the bitcoin foundation's 800 number. if anyone calls do teh professional, and report here any issues or q's.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 15:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, it was actually ~roll piano~ that nuked 'entertain self' music, rather than the scratchy phonograph of the time
mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Reynolds's_Political_Map_of_the_United_States_1856.jpg << pretty great actuarial item on the bottom of this. who knew ohio was 2nd largest state, ~6 californias ? who knew florida was smaller than rhode island ?
asciilifeform: if it eats my 'can of soda' coin, i'ma try another
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wake up the chix...
asciilifeform: somebody's gonna call the # apparently
asciilifeform: aite i'ma get the slightly cheaper-per one, we can switch laters
mircea_popescu: not like my hand calc even can tell the diff of dust between 15 and 18 dubaloos.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how much traffic do you expect on the 800..? there's variant 14.49/0.07min and 17.99/0.066min where latter includes 223/mo
asciilifeform: ( aside from rampant brokenness, in the years since gentoo author took 30 silvers from microshit and fucked it all ) would routinely get into circular wedges and fail in other 'interesting' ways
a111: Logged on 2018-10-07 01:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1859002 << i can't say as i understand wtf portage even is ; and i nurse some doubts as to whether anyone (yes, yes, i know you know what you'd want it to be. however...)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-07#1859159 << portage was the closest thing there was to 'where asciilifeform cribbed concept for v' -- except that it never worked well at all
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-07#1859170 << that part of the discussion was about binary (the algo doesn't discriminate text or binary, but there's no support for binary creation in format), it was a panicked detour, that has been since resolved with "there's no binary in vpatch"
a111: Logged on 2018-10-07 00:05 mircea_popescu: you mean the client ? no-one's even bothered to genesis thart yet ; being replaced i expect.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-07#1859095 << (important furtherance here : protocol as is being baked kinda removes all binary-ism from client tree, data to be received and cached as data rather than mangled into source tree as a sort of "divine cache" as currently practiced by ~all morons involved in gaming)
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 23:55 phf: there are three distinct options: deletions and renames (which is handled by mp algo), creations (that can be handled by e.g. <size><content in hex>) and diffing (which is top complexity, needing e.g. needleman-wunsch)
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 23:54 asciilifeform: also while mircea_popescu is awake : if you have the dest # for the 1-800 thing, plox to gpggram, i'ma bake it ( theoretically oughta be live in day or 2 from revv-up )
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 19:53 trinque: also questionable whether there's such thing as a republican portage, or whether it all ought to be trashed for something gprbuild-based and with far less optionality.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1859002 << i can't say as i understand wtf portage even is ; and i nurse some doubts as to whether anyone (yes, yes, i know you know what you'd want it to be. however...)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's what the kids who weren't good enough to hussle on the corner call themselves when they work slinging redditized Monsanto behind a counter
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 14:27 mircea_popescu: brought about by y.t. fixing http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854603 through generous application of sewed out linux-wireless-compat-blabla. turns out the aeteron pci board included (mysteriously dubbed "revision 0032") works with cca 2015 vintage drivers, and them only.
BingoBoingo: As I await the board to approve the Pizarro report I bring a nugget from the research mines: "Just try to have a good time and work hard to find a better job. Budtending is nowhere land."
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 23:58 phf: i have couple of hours tomorrow, so i'll pick up the deletions and renames code either way, and either release it, or give an estimate for how long it will take me to bake it
phf: mircea_popescu: well, short of cutting my head off, or handing it over, i can add the missing bits
phf: mircea_popescu: delivered item does not match 3rd of april algo. the algo was invented after delivered item was fully implemented with the idea that the algorithm can be added to the item transparently. but it was also around the time that i could no longer work on the item, so it remained unchanged since then
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 23:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sadly enuff, i was right in re the current phf-vdiff . observe : a) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5ZYgF/?raw=true << example of deleting a text file. in fact uses same deletion representation as ordinary gnudiff, where entire payload is quoted. b) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vl2Ca/?raw=true << attempt to represent deletion of 1MB from FG. result : same as in oldschool gnudiff.
mircea_popescu: anyway, leaving aside the past half hour of chaos : how can it be simultaneously true that a) delivered item matches 3rd of april algo and b) http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1859041 ?!
mircea_popescu: i recall the succesion of steps of 1. being very happy with solution that was all smiles and no bruises ; 2. being satisfied that the people involved understood 1 ; 3. unloaded it from head. now in the nightmare consequent of "4. wait, what was it ?"
phf: asciilifeform: right, all the contemplated extensions were supposed to be backwards compatible. the ancient format allows for a lot of necessary leeway
asciilifeform: and it dun even break the ancient format.
asciilifeform: file names are covered by the gpg seal of given patch, tho, so it isn't as if people can get away with blindly renaming items in a patch. so if taking all of mircea_popescu's algo but the hashed-names part, you have a usable algo.
asciilifeform: it is my understanding tho that it is impossible to apply the algo in the thread if one were to make file name part of file's hash.
phf: mircea_popescu: the next line after the one you quoted is "all files are identified by hashesof their name and content"
mircea_popescu: kinda what the problem is with these "brought back from the swamps of memory" items, the result takes some washing.
mircea_popescu: as i say, my latter statement of the notion was misleading & vague.
phf: yes, i remember the algo, and algo requires that the hash is just of content. i thought i was entirely insane, because immediately after "hash the name + content" i say "we're on the same page"
asciilifeform: phf: i think errything you need, is in there.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-03 00:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the logged discussion on the topic was, "if hashes match but paths do not, the file was moved ; if hashes match and paths match, the file is untouched ; if hashes do not match but paths match the file was modified ; if hashes do not match and paths do not match the file was created/deleted"
phf: and later i say we're on the same page, and i have no idea why and how
a111: Logged on 2018-04-02 23:57 mircea_popescu: at which juncture i suppose it'd pay to check, huh. hey phf, my memory of logs discussion includes this item whereby the above problem was fully resolved by declaring the path as inseparable part of the filename. you on the same page ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja ever post a eulora-style full spec for the thing btw ?
mircea_popescu: well now i'm reading through all dis, what can do. phf's four months at work resulted in same many months of rot, now we don't recall the spec, log is long, life is short, so on an' so forth.
phf: i'm trying to find the relevant thread right now
asciilifeform: but afaik this did not make it to the spec table
asciilifeform: ( http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-March/000293.html ; http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-April/000296.html demo )
asciilifeform: i actually posted an experimental vtron that hashed the names
mircea_popescu: which is the fucking reason we even rewrote it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if he's stuck to the old gnudiff format, which per my test appears to be the case, names aint hashed at all ( they're covered by the gpg sig of given patch, but that's it )
mircea_popescu: phf when you calculate the file hash, do you take ~the full name~ plus "the content or just "the content" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm mapping out the size of the hole, rather than dancing on mircea_popescu's toes for phun; have patience, if i've found this earlier, yer toes would not hurt nao.
mircea_popescu: i can't currently conceive how the fuck he even MADE a vtools without it, because it was a root node and nothing works without it anyway (eg, i expect all the hashes he calculates are wrong)
asciilifeform: phf then you dun need bin diff/create.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 17:12 asciilifeform: tangentially on-thread, it still bothers asciilifeform that he was unable to represent the diff b/w mircea_popescu's bitcoin-0.5.3.tar.gz and the genesis as a vpatch ( neither orig v nor current is able to represent the deletion of binariolade... )
asciilifeform: if start of thread is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1858965 , then mircea_popescu is correct, deletions suffice
mircea_popescu: there was NO discussion of "bion diffing". nor will there be. there was specified support ~for deletion of files~, which is WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT
mircea_popescu: you mean the client ? no-one's even bothered to genesis thart yet ; being replaced i expect.