benkay: have you read Gravity's Rainbow?
benkay: oh, i'm familiar.
benkay: you're approaching his degree of surreality in the musical numbers
benkay: he has good musical interludes.
benkay: asciilifeform have you been reading Pynchon lately or something?
benkay: mircea_popescu the mods are paid in shares, then? the mods are you and kakobrekla then?
benkay: mircea_popescu why is that?
benkay: hey kakobrekla mircea_popescu when do we see costs of mods in bitbet statements?
benkay: mp caved on the coin v scam situation
benkay: nah it resolved
benkay: poor -pr
benkay: poor mods
benkay: thanks, Apocalyptic
benkay: ;;later tell r3wt: read this for some perspective on your choices: http://www.michaelbromley.co.uk/blog/65/confessions-of-an-intermediate-programmer
benkay: r3wt: read this for some perspective on your choices: http://www.michaelbromley.co.uk/blog/65/confessions-of-an-intermediate-programmer
benkay`: sounds translation-worthy...
benkay`: "pig wrestling"
benkay`: "research" "swamp wading"
benkay`: how should I know who peter r is - nobody's paying me for my research
benkay`: curse of the web, kakobrekla
benkay`: mircea_popescu "not in the head!"
benkay`: ('crazy romanian' are my words)
benkay`: i said get on irc and say hi
benkay`: well klint wanted to know what the deal with this crazy romanian was
benkay`: can't imagine that means what the top suggestion from my suggestion machine suggests it means
benkay`: your name came up over beers last night, mircea_popescu
benkay`: klint's a rad dude
benkay`: i'm just frustrated by cognitive overhead and limited personal bandwidth/.
benkay`: i don't hate it - it's just another dumblang
benkay`: asciilifeform: it came up in the context of "things this firm is not getting involved in"
benkay`: dat cube farm stench.
benkay`: would go faster if i could afford to go heads down on it for a month
benkay`: advice of guy looking over my shoulder was to just bite the bullet and do the parser in java
benkay`: so delegates, implementing interfaces, the whole java shitshow
benkay`: ragel requires some oop boilerplate
benkay`: haltingly
benkay`: it comes
benkay`: FML
benkay`: look at me, i got involved with bitcoin
benkay`: i'm an idiot though
benkay`: they know not to get involved
benkay`: people man
benkay`: most guys not really having the stones to go for a nip...
benkay`: whatever trip you two are on i am obviously not invited
benkay`: just out of manners i think i keep walking
benkay`: still, here you are walking around with this woman in public, taking her photo and photos of everyone's reactions
benkay`: also you're probably standing right there taking that photo and shit timisoara's gotta be small enough that everyone knows not to fuck with MP's wimminz
benkay`: "men"
benkay`: mircea_popescu i mean i'd be unsurprised but that's because american men are a bunch of silly effettes
benkay`: THAT HEADBAND MAN ITS GOTTA GO
benkay`: not wearing enough
benkay`: er
benkay`: girl's wearing too much.
benkay`: really gets me going
benkay`: the left, for sure.
benkay`: .bait
benkay`: score
benkay`: .bait
benkay`: of course, asking for a thing from someone in the WoT without having your own identity is a bit el oh el, but whatever and airplanes etc.
benkay`: ask your counterparty to sign a declaration they'll not publish records of your conversation
benkay`: anyways ninjashogun if you want privacy on IRC this is what you do
benkay`: ya it's a pretty strong lure
benkay`: ninjashogun weren't you just derping about not having time to derp in irc?
benkay`: general heading of "shit this firm is not touching with a nine-meter pole"
benkay`: asciilifeform your chumpatron essay came up at lunch today
benkay`: :)
benkay`: ninjashogun: there's no minimum IQ required for participating on the internet.
benkay`: china ships 'em over and then doesn't want them back.
benkay`: TEU's run about 1.6KUSD over here, moiety.
benkay`: that'n's per-tic-u-ler-ly lulzy
benkay`: and more, BingoBoingo http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/04/world/europe/top-russians-face-sanctions-by-us-for-crimea-crisis.html?_r=0
benkay`: ufo for sale is moderately amusing
benkay`: or working class gold at all.
benkay`: BitcoinPropagand: austerity has neat type design, i just don't care about austerity at all.
benkay`: these arts are really impressive
benkay`: that thing where you have shares off the exchange
benkay`: ah yeah
benkay`: didn't you just pay to less than the nominal float?
benkay`: it just introduces an opportunity to screw things up.
benkay`: why does the div command even have a notional float?!
benkay`: thinking they're running companies
benkay`: wanting ratings for using gpg
benkay`: everyone's retarded and incapable of doing things
benkay`: i get it
benkay`: leave the fucking states.
benkay`: want to do something clever?
benkay`: http://betaboston.com/news/2014/03/04/aereo-online-tv-streaming-broadcasters-supreme-court-justice-department/
benkay: transactional database transactions: what the hell is that and why would anyone?
benkay: suspicious activity monitors: nontrivial to implement.
benkay: mircea_popescu's tits, though, that's an entirely different story.
benkay: but i seen plenty of that nao
benkay: tits in a parking lot are cool, don't get me wrong
benkay: tits
benkay: i'm uninterested unless they're yours, mircea_popescu
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:158cca9962694cd90af05df37425fc2724c92c39cbcaa5b2965f8160
benkay: hullo moiety
benkay: Mats_cd03: ^^
benkay: !t m s.mpoe
benkay: is that kind of attitude an instant disqualifier for anyone elese?
benkay: yeah man how does one teach good crypto hygine to kids?
benkay: the "whet" not the "what"
benkay: yours gave me no small heebie-jeebies either
benkay: the one about the kid and the keys
benkay: b'leev so
benkay: i've completely failed to dig it up
benkay: "that which will be delivered" or some such
benkay: she wrote a story a while back
benkay: i've just started waking up in cold sweats, haunted by mpoe-pr's story
benkay: and diced passphrases are way better than the shorter, random ones
benkay: oh i agree - forgive me for giving the impression that i think diceware doesn't work
benkay: i want to use my keys regularly. that entails memorizing an absurd passphrase and using it all the time to forestall neuron rot.
benkay: it's a more general tradeoff: convenience/security
benkay: memorability vs entropy
benkay: this is the tradeoff!
benkay: anyways, diginork, it sounds like the critique you're leveling is that "people will stoop to holding their keys unencrypted if used frequently"
benkay: ;;google romanian dicelist
benkay: sure. best practices come into play with the bruteforcing.
benkay: lost hardware == exposed key?
benkay: not following diginork, sorry
benkay: assume backup?
benkay: why not just decrypt for every use?
benkay: upside is better hygiene via frequent use of tools; downside is...incentives to grow lazy?
benkay: so crypto is dangerous, right? what are the risks of randomly asking people to auth?
benkay: it'd be a fun experiment if assbot randomly asked people to auth
benkay: i can always demonstrate control of that key to relevant parties, so i'm not convinced
benkay: go on...
benkay: ideally stego is rarely touched tho
benkay: so a thing that helps is that your otc link is always the same
benkay: so a key to maintaining good crypto hygiene is to use it all the time, right?
benkay: not a fair race, tbh
benkay: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 good sport wot wot
benkay: ;;rate BingoBoingo good sport wot wot
benkay: gg
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a4f7750923ee83ec88829bb3fcce45f2fd4308a2fee7efc298ef05a7
benkay: ;;gpg eauth benkay
benkay: hey BingoBoingo race you to auth status
benkay: how best protect internet keys?
benkay: this is what i was freaking out about the other night
benkay: news fungi
benkay: NBC
benkay: walk softly and carry a bitcoin stick.
benkay: !l m s.mpoe
benkay: !t m s.mpoe
benkay: !h
benkay: !l m mpoe
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:16f67849951a6df2a9d019751e36e2526e1fc6309219382aedc8d87e
benkay: just like atc and ltc and dgc
benkay: it /is/ a coin.
benkay: what is a coin?
benkay: the "any coin" clause
benkay: mircea_popescu: u gon have a headache with that one
benkay: fml
benkay: someone is sporting a foundation lifetime member badge in that thread
benkay: fuck you BingoBoingo i want my five minutes back
benkay: BingoBoingo: impossibru
benkay: little bit of column a, little bit of column b
benkay: no fucking joke
benkay: thru to settlement in order to ensure profitability."
benkay: "The fact that this type of strategy is ever viable at all seems to me to suggest at least one of two possible explanations: either the futures market is relatively inefficient and dominated by unhedged directional bets taken by gamblers and speculators, or the aggregate view of the Bitcoin capital markets is that the counterparty risk created by exchanges like ICBIT is too high to support strategies that require maintaining a position
benkay: lalusch: well give us a link why dontcha
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d380847cecd5806627a3b3890957c8abf829b0f91c3111495607da04
benkay: ready to play a game of catch-the-knife?
benkay: it's a mystery to me as well, mike_c
benkay: give it three years you might talk mp into flying you out to dj the next secret bitcoinspiracy con
benkay: you play sweet tunes
benkay: yeah well how the fuck am i supposed to rate you if you're not even in the wot?!
benkay: you know vex you can get in the wot with just a btc wallet
benkay: ;;gettrust Vexual
benkay: hey and what happened to your nick
benkay: sounds like stupid old person music
benkay: yo be a luv and hit us with some baile funk
benkay: i think ihop's over thattaway baby doll
benkay: sorry nobody's around to tell you your news is stale on cue
benkay: they're linked in the message of the day.
benkay: azi` you could check the logs
benkay: neat coinage
benkay: belabour
benkay: the surprise is that people buy this particular scam.
benkay: and yet the aurora coin people are nominally going to give coins to icelandic folk?
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:dcc0be6c1a24011e376ab8d29c7bbd11ab3a913e394fd3f41913c798
benkay: buwaaat
benkay: ;;gpg eauth freenode:#bitcoin-otc:dcc0be6c1a24011e376ab8d29c7bbd11ab3a913e394fd3f41913c798
benkay: kewl
benkay: sheeeeit
benkay: i guess just another aspect of the problem we all face that we never talk about in public because just talking about it exposes your practices
benkay: thumbs up or down on revocation certs safely stored offline?
benkay: stuff like this as well: http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2005-December/027626.html
benkay: mhm.
benkay: thank you, asciilifeform.
benkay: ah, right.
benkay: what is the going rate per kb?
benkay: yeah, i'll buy that.
benkay: i'm interested in best practices for this sort of scenario.
benkay: i lose it, i lose everything
benkay: my whole business is tied up in this thing
benkay: it is the sum of my identity 25 years from now
benkay: i have a wot key
benkay: is there a checklist for the professional keyholder i've failed to find?
benkay: am i retarded or is this problem hard?
benkay: #3 make it hard to parse the possibility space, #4 have rock solid encryption as a last barrier?
benkay: so the only thing to do is an encrypted drive with a memorized dicelist.
benkay: right. they got the backups.
benkay: and access
benkay: maximize key durability
benkay: more along the lines of list of things to do that will reduce attack surface area
benkay: i'm afraid of becoming an old man and actually losing it in the mess, though.
benkay: obfuscation
benkay: faugh
benkay: encrypted image with all important keys and files?
benkay: how do i best ensure i have access to it forever?
benkay: okay i have this gpg key
benkay: no i know asciilifeform, it's in quotes for a reason
benkay: sure sure
benkay: i'm thinking best practices for personal backup and recovery strategy for keys and private contracts and such.
benkay: "personal crypto security: basically impossibly hard"
benkay: but also it has to be a sustainable, fault-tolerant thing that a person can practice their whole lives.
benkay: "oh, dude has btc. let's breach his personal security and get 'em."
benkay: probably relatively high-profile from target perspective.
benkay: or suits as the case may be.
benkay: what goes on the ideal crypto-savvy human's personal-security checklist?
benkay: hey guys
benkay: oh hey herbijudlestoids good to know you're still alive
benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re auroracoin wtf http://www.mbl.is/vidskipti/frettir/2013/12/19/hoftin_stodva_vidskipti_med_bitcoin/
benkay: more on the US polizei's role as underclass regulators: http://www.nickfarr.org/2014/02/what-i-learned-from-an-unfortunate-incident-with-the-nypd/
benkay: get on it, alters
benkay: no atc on coinedup
benkay: it's all going to come out eventually.
benkay: what are your stories, dub?
benkay: nubbins` pastebin from earlier, dub
benkay: and to work for posterity just oodles of research into this rapeghost character
benkay: not really writeup worthy, except for participants
benkay: well that's bloody interesting
benkay: eenie meenie money no mo'
benkay: me neither - gotta fixit.
benkay: thanks bruvva
benkay: pretty please, nubbins`?
benkay: in fact i'm pretty sure it's caselaw
benkay: well it might be caselaw nubbins` that's the thing