Mocky: i went to both coworks. well, "coworks" one is 15th floor of a bank highrise that was empty and expensive. the other is trying to be a startup incubator run by the ministry of communications
Mocky: well not so 'guilded' for the bottom two classes, but at least they can leave now if they want
Mocky: but Qataris don't mix with the help, except the partying 20 somethings that don't want to work (reportedly) and they don't seem to be in their parents wot
Mocky: the class system is strong, i've met only bottom 3 classes: guilded cage workers
Mocky: week two has been wheel spinning so far like most of week 1. I've had in person conversations with 30+ people in the last week about business and finding a local business sponsor. None of these people are locals, none of them knows a local in business, or even an expat in business, or had any idea what they would do if needed to find.
diana_coman: well yes, but that's basically adding concrete/brick to the mix; soil is still what it is
Mocky: actually the only sand is at construction sites. of which there are many. in the city that is. nicely paved streets with nice looking brick sidewalks ~everywhere
diana_coman: ah, makes some sense; though I gather it's basically living among the malls and sand but I suppose that's what it is
Mocky: the downtown area wraps the bay and is maybe 10 blocks deep. I guess you could call this 'a ring'. the rest of the city is basically concentric circles of rings b - f (actual street names) between which are neighborhoods of predominantly residential villas but with huge retail areas interspersed.
diana_coman: how's the "qatar week 2" coming along, Mocky ?
diana_coman: are all houses at the edge of the city or where? not that I'm even sure I see a difference if ~all desert anyway
Mocky: if they built like this in florida, hurricane season would be quite different. but then yeah hardly anyone would be able to afford to live there.
Mocky: not really right to call it 'burbs, it's still in the city just not downtown. Villa is also often commercially, dr office, restaurant, shops: just with extra windows and signage
Mocky: one result is that there isn't a single unsightly yard anywhere, from external pov. from inside pov, it seems like most have a junk pile their back 'yard'
Mocky: in the 'burbs there are sort of ticky tack housing communities where a couple dozen villas will share one big wall, with guard on duty at the gate.
Mocky: 8 foot walls for the cheap housing 20 foot for expensive. From what i can tell ~nobody lives outside of such 'fortress'
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 02:17 BingoBoingo: I have to say from Mocky's pics of Qatar so far I am impressed by the manner in which they manage to hide the electric wires. Down here they just... can't
mircea_popescu: the glories of bahamas blue state, what.
mircea_popescu: "this is how we're going to try and talk around the fact our favourite catamite fucked up yet another province" ?
asciilifeform: iirc the corrugated-steel hose thing was once thought to be a++ pill for earthquakes & ordinary vibration from traffic, but in actual practice the thing fatigues & holes.
asciilifeform: no moar welders, pipe fitters, ~same crew lays the hose as lays fiber
asciilifeform: they leak, like garden hose.
mircea_popescu: TUBES, is what the internets need!
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 02:21 asciilifeform: ( they ~could~ ! recall, they use flexible hose nao, to pinch pennies )
asciilifeform: iirc it is worse in 'flyoveristan', there they have regularly gas boom, takes out 1-2 blocks
asciilifeform: there's 3-4 leaks just within 5km of where i'm sitting, and plenty of folx reported to wash. gas, and guess, fixed ? (spoiler : no)
asciilifeform: perhaps this way they'd actually plug leaks
BingoBoingo: I mean the whole run of the bundle is centimeters from the face of every building for the entire block's run
asciilifeform: eh they're against exterior wall of ~erry house here. but fortunately for the washingtonistani, cardboard aint conductive..
BingoBoingo: Oh no, I am talking about the runs where the wires are centimeters from exterior wall of occupied structure. They don't fall until they've completely finished cooking
asciilifeform: and when they fall, they take yer net pipe with'em . it's almost a wonder , imho, that they haven't yet hung up the water and gas lines on poles also..
asciilifeform: they fall down regularly, etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ~all of washingtonistan, outside the walls of the city proper, is like that
BingoBoingo: I'm not sure I trust the Uruguayos to completely hide the wires considering how many lines have left scorch marks along their runs
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: easier to bury wires when yer entire grid is the size of ~akron, ohio
BingoBoingo: I have to say from Mocky's pics of Qatar so far I am impressed by the manner in which they manage to hide the electric wires. Down here they just... can't
mircea_popescu: not ran out of funds yet either.
asciilifeform: ( the q of where tortoise to go, so as not straight to soup, is ~separate~ q )
asciilifeform: funnily enuff , last time asciilifeform went to dig, turned up people who claim to conjure up 'ro ancestor' for $toyota, and bake legit passport; but i'ma believe it when i see it and as far as can throw it ( plus they only work on ukrs, which is imho a dead giveaway of spamola )
mircea_popescu: "crackdown" comes from the same mental universe as "pantsuit has always last word -- and it is yes sir".
mircea_popescu: the very verbiafge, you know ? "crackdown" ? as fucking if what, the pantsuit isn't a party favour, passed around for anal freely ?
asciilifeform: but yes usg is squeezing necks, too many zeks escaping, even with the current ~$1m price tag
asciilifeform: ohnoez! folx gettin' passports without having ever fucked a goat in the name of prophet!
mircea_popescu: not much of one -- a bunch of rando camhos got ~same to write on their tits.
mircea_popescu: 50k is so not the problem here.
asciilifeform: but yes, i'm not esp surprised that the derps 'working' on 3600. given as 1) 'ivory' needs ~20-50 k $ in either chinese microscopist, or nixon's burglars , take yer pick 2) 3600 is massive forest of idjit hackolade, which these people seem to ~like~, the way scarab luvvs shit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am contacting you from the future, a time when "microsoft" "bought" whatever.
BingoBoingo: Well it can probably run indefinitely displaying the output of hello.world
asciilifeform: naa lol, it'll be 'starteam', they're microshit shop, see.
asciilifeform: maybe in another 10yr they cough up 3600 emulator. in c#. that maybe runs for 5+min without crash.
mircea_popescu: part of why i'm so "eh, tell it to the hand" about the whole "they're working" angle. no, they aren't.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is theoretically possible to write 3600 emulator without much brain work, the instr set is (mostly) described in their 600 (!) page patent. but there's very little to be gained from doing so, the 3600 arch is before they cleaned all of the mit shit-hackolade out of the thing, it has million idjit warts inherited from when the thing was a refrigerator-sized dumpster of 74xxx discretes
asciilifeform: beats the shit out of what i'm sitting in front of, in 9000 ways
asciilifeform: 'PERQemu is written in C# under the .NET Framework 2.0. The source code is now available on GitHub...' << blergh
amberglint: yeah, it's the same one
asciilifeform: zeptobars seems pretty dead; their site is up, but pretty sure that all of the pics therein, were there last yr
amberglint: well, one of them wrote a PERQ emulator
mircea_popescu: people with the biggest beer mugs are similarly busy discussing things about the game on tv.
mircea_popescu: amberglint i have my doubts they're doing any such thing.
asciilifeform: amberglint: i.e. they're carefully avoiding risk of doing anything useful
asciilifeform: fwiw i did ( could unearth thread , but who wants, can find ) get quote from chinese, they will happily photograph crystal for ~toyota's worth
amberglint: the people who have the biggest stash of Ivory hardware are busy writing their own emulator of the older 3600 machines right now, the last time I checked
mircea_popescu: and some ru outfit that was going to acid-peel and image chips, and a museum dork thart was going to rent me time on one of his boxes but then didn't nor felt any need to explain why he's stupid, and some other dork gonna build himself a vent, and so on and so forth.
asciilifeform: and of course there is a mircea_popescu to laugh, cuz it's pretty laughable state of affairs
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 03:38 asciilifeform: https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/goals << in other lulz.
asciilifeform: right nao there's a d00d with 2 crystals; and another d00d with maybe-pinouts; and a gorlum somewhere with maybe-tapes; etc
asciilifeform: amberglint: iirc he found pinouts. not crown jewels, tho could be of use in ~very slowly~ getting sumthing useful from the 2 'ivory' crystals i traded a 3620 for
mircea_popescu: logs are littered with the attempts.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 02:44 phf: asciilifeform: i actually forgot! i'm swamped right now, but can you remind me again in about two weeks, i have a thing for you from the dig that will help with the little piece of silicon you have
amberglint: I was about to ask phf about his Ivory-related efforts, but checked the logs again just now and found that asciilifeform already did it two days ago, which I overlooked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862616
asciilifeform: nao, on other hand, the ~orig~ bolix, leaked like sieve, yes, regularly we hear about some old fart sitting on buncha tapes he picked up from dumpster, but always same element in story, he sits like tolkien's gorlum, 'my precious!', on the goods
asciilifeform: ( tho i cannot rule out hypothesis that it lives in same place as apollo rocket, i.e. /dev/null, was lost )
asciilifeform: by all indications seems to, bolix lives there.
a111: Logged on 2015-06-10 03:40 asciilifeform: 'watchman may not know what is behind the door he is guarding; if he knew - would steal it himself' (tm) (r) (sov army)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by my reckoning, the actually valuable and not-yet-leaked stuff, is in 'indiana jones' warehouse, behind http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-10#1158785 , rather than on swiss cheese php www etc
mircea_popescu: "i plugged this stick i found in the parking lot into your computer" / "i gave some guy an all-doors pass cuz he was wearing gray overalls with some name i don't remember on the back" etcetera.
mircea_popescu: nobody's ever getting fired for giving away the expensive company car to a guy dressed in a red coat. "i thought he was the parking vallet".
mircea_popescu: EVERYTHING they do is.
mircea_popescu: it's not just "credit cards" or "websites" or w/e else specific pwned-daily aspect of the female state that's fulla holes moreso than aerogel.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform could've, for the same money. "for cleanning".
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863774 << could have easily organised a "break-in", stuff coulda been out of there before anyone even "discovered" and reported it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik amberglint is the 1st digger to actually share , normally bolix folx avoid asciilifeform like the plague, as detailed in old thrds, for whatever psychopathological reasons
amberglint: the crack? I talked to some people in #bolix and eventually got it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you know the fellow ? beyond "russian!" ?
mircea_popescu: 4th reich specifically being the next/current socialist state
mircea_popescu: amberglint http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/ for the theory ; http://trilema.com/republican-thesaurus/ a primer for the practice. in short, republic's created a bunch of symbolic shorthands for things.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 01:05 asciilifeform: i have nfi what is the psychology , is it like the nazi gold, 'we'll build a 4th reich and will need it' or how.
asciilifeform: i have nfi what is the psychology , is it like the nazi gold, 'we'll build a 4th reich and will need it' or how.
asciilifeform: old man couldn't be bothered, apparently, to fork out 50bux for renew
asciilifeform: there's scarcely a corpse in the graveyard deader than bolix -- the fucking ~trademark~ lapsed
asciilifeform: amberglint: i dun buy this excuse; for the pathological coward, there's 9000 ways to post a pill anon
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 00:21 asciilifeform: for instance, i struggled to find the genera source, and then YEARS later i found out that 'the whisperers' have been quietly passing it around
amberglint: yeah, it's the same deal, I guess some people are afraid of lawsuits from a dead company
asciilifeform: it's funny , these people. e.g. coupla weeks after i posted my pill for http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1667 , that i had to make with own hands , a finn shows up, 'i have one too' 'why didntcha post' '...'
asciilifeform: it's almost as if the gnomes from norse mythology are real
asciilifeform: amberglint: it is interesting that somebody actually bothered to sit down and make a pill for ns. suggests that somebody, somewhere, has what to read in it..
amberglint: Peter Paine has a huge pile of Symbolics tapes which he jealously guards from other bolixologists, I wonder if it has the source of Ivory
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 20:10 asciilifeform: apeloyee: the other thing to consider, is that the preserved bolix material has ~unspeakably~ rich ( and quite high snr ) collection of artifacts, perhaps 1000 asciilifeform-years of work. take the ns vlsi compiler alone. i have the binaries, but not the src. and ~someone~ will have to make a sane (i.e. fully lispified and zero-externals) vlsitron.
asciilifeform: ( for non-bolixologists in the audience : 'ns' was the spiffy vlsi tool they used to bake their ic's, logic was specified as a lisp proggy of sorts and compiled into an item that could be taken to vlsi plant )
amberglint: I remember NS referencing the documentation, but it seems to be missing in the distribution everyone has
asciilifeform: i suppose ns pill will come in handy if anybody ever unearths the ivory src
asciilifeform: what i wanted re ns, is a) the 'ivory' src b) src for ns itself, to pillage the algos
amberglint: I also have the crack for Macsyma if you want
amberglint: thankfully someone shared the crack with me, which I pasted here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/91Gll/?raw=true
amberglint: after you do that, there's another gotcha - it needs a license from Symbolics to run, like Macsyma
amberglint: NS does work, but you need a simple workaround to get around the Xlib error: switch your X server to 8bpp
asciilifeform: sold, since ~late'90s, to errybody, the smallest nontrivial piece of gear i have here that takes standard battery (not counting flashlights etc) is 100kg ups.
mircea_popescu: sold to the same crowd of malignant morons that buys "electric cars" and "credit cards everywhere" and "electronic locks" and so on.
asciilifeform: ( at one time i did have an ancient 'nokia' that had precisely this battery system, so there's no practical reason why impossible . it's purely lock-in crapola that prevents. )
asciilifeform: at one time asciilifeform wondered why no lappy maker ever included simply a compartment with sprints, like electronic boxen in the good old days, where you could stuff in yer own when the old ones give out. then realized the obv answer why.
asciilifeform: ( thing was made before all the shitlappy makers switched to custom/ungettable shaped prismatics )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: since you asked earlier -- battery is a 'aa-pb2vc6b' , 48 watt-hour, 6 cylindrical cells, dead-likely the usual #18650 thing
asciilifeform: !Q later tell trinque i was learning from db dark arts, in yer http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-genesis#L186 , and wondered re the orig logic behind the uuid-ossp / gen_random_uuid() item ( vs the ordinary 'serial' ), plox to enlighten asciilifeform
asciilifeform: nobody in his right mind would try to empty swimming pool with eye dropper, but for some reason the computin' folx are still doing it.
asciilifeform: grr can't find thread, so at risk of repeat : there is a legend, where some nao long-dead sage ( ulam ? ) was in a room where the lesser mortals idly fucked around with q 'how to short bundle of sticks by length' fastest. d00d silently picked up the bundle of sticks and pounded them on table ends-down and then lowered palm onto the top, picking up longest with each move
asciilifeform: the only ~working model of meat, remains... meat
asciilifeform spent some yrs involved in 'here's 100GB of genome, nao answer an interesting q about it' racket, it was depressing, even with custom iron most of the practically useful q's are unanswerable, there's fundamental algo problems in the way
mircea_popescu: table stakes, finally we're getting there.
mircea_popescu: seems there's a MINIMAL complexity "For anything interesting", and we're finally just now getting togethert the tools to work with it.
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's funny to me that the blockchain's approximately in the size range of the genome.
mircea_popescu: but not pick the ones with least gray pixels.
asciilifeform: my quite humble pipe here moves 100G in half hr . that aint the hard part.
mircea_popescu: "even the easy tasks are too hard for you "
asciilifeform: nobody's ever built anyffin with even close to the noise tolerance of meat.
mircea_popescu: dealing with a 500`000`000 copies (more or less exact) of the same 100GB file within half an hour... that's more than any node does ; and more than the collective of nodes did since the beginning of the ocin.
asciilifeform: bandwidth, contrary to intuition, isn't where 'worx of man' necessarily fall down to the ant, but rather http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687613
asciilifeform: 'the worx of man cannot match an ant' etc
asciilifeform: ( anybody recall the old film where there is 'fast motion' scene of airplane abandoned in some shithole, 'evaporating' part by part ? )
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu were to park his merc in johannesburg, orcs might steal the tyres, but not the cunt (can only borrow..)
asciilifeform: but yes, 'allcomers p2p' allows 9000 types of abuses ( if you think about it, the fact that one is able to build a simple mechanism to map out the net, is not actually a win , for that matter ) , noose at 11
asciilifeform: never seen a bag of working arms or legs either
asciilifeform: then definitely not
mircea_popescu: that's the problem of bitcoin, right, the relay-mining cleavage. something that ~in spite of designatorial intention~ WAS done to bitcoin ; and NOT done to sexuate reproduction.
mircea_popescu: turns out, cunt more of a jewel of engineering than generally thought, yet ~another~ aspect of its normal functioning not reproducible by present technical means.
mircea_popescu: rather than like ~cunt~.
asciilifeform: it's 'p2p' like telco backbone, rather than like 'kazaa', yes
mircea_popescu: kinda informs the change of the tenor here, since his http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/ declaration a few years ago.
mircea_popescu: but yes, it's painfully obvious the "p2p" nature of bitcoin went straight to nowhere, disabusing naive satoshi notions of "all the world's a huge wikitardia!!!" 1990s wank.
mircea_popescu: because of the exact problems you discuss i'd guess 1/4 or less of nodes are publicly adressable
asciilifeform: errybody else is theatre
asciilifeform: by my current estimate ( not fired the full scan yet, when proggy done it'll run continuously and present a phuctoresque www panel ) there are perhaps 100 actual noades on the net
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 15:44 asciilifeform: in unrelated noose, mod6 et al : loox like trb doesn't remove banned peers from its addr table ! i.e. offers their addrs up to others, as if they were proper noades!! i never noticed this previously, it had to wait to be found empirically. really oughta be fixed, and pretty simple patch.
asciilifeform: ( and really oughta be properly dropped, per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862873 bug they presently suck oxygen uselessly )
asciilifeform: so these still get malleus'd
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the funny bit is that 99999 turns off gavinalertism but turns on heathen cmd's
BingoBoingo: AHA, this and not "be counted by derps" iirc was the reasons the knob got cranked to 99999 and left there.
asciilifeform: aaaand some alarmingly large % of the supposed-nodes, can't or won't come up with old blox on demand..
asciilifeform: aha. it's the basic labour of writing sane proggy -- tossing out the duct tape & replacing with sumthing that actually worx
mircea_popescu: i think it's already evident this, in the serialization discussion
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only this, but if folx build on the right slab, they can get 9000x less complex proggy in the end
mircea_popescu: (better than "i'll wait to patch it in directly at the right time" because the "right time" mioght never come seeing how the people in question don't know what you're patching)
mircea_popescu: anyway -- in this particular case it makes sense to genesis item so downstream can actually invite you to patch on their tree
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the mmap thing is major labour-saving item, lets you fughet about db etc, you define the data structure you want and it gets persisted to disk / loaded as-needed into ram, transparently to proggy
mircea_popescu: nevermind teh purpose of "how it'll eventually look", the future can be trusted to take care of itself, ESPECIALLY if you can be trusted to take care of present.
mircea_popescu: l keep growing the smg_comms tree." << this, ftr, eminently ideal republican code development process.
mircea_popescu: "I packed the above code as a .vpatch on top of the previous genesis .vpatch mainly for keeping my original promise of showing this being built as it is with detours and corrections on the way. Otherwise this could equally well be a genesis in itself given how radically it changes pretty much everything in there. Nevertheless, at least for now - meaning until a final version is achieved and a regrind makes perhaps sense - I'l
asciilifeform: problem is getting nonchinese cells, just as with others
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: same as any other, theoretically if you have battery welder and cells, can rebuild
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: How rebuildable is the battery pack on that thing?
asciilifeform: the only tool req'd : 1) ordinary philips driver 2) spudger 3) pair of hands
asciilifeform: if anybody else wants one, get'em while they're still around.
asciilifeform: ( contrary to the 'broken telephone game' on the net, the thing ~does~ show colour under sunlight, if backlight is set to minimum. if to 0 : b&w and ultralowpower ( whole day battery, in theory ) )
asciilifeform: sadly the box it ended up going in, is nuffin to write home about ( slightly slower than the goldstandard x60, and smaller, and sad kbd ) but it worx as described
asciilifeform: in other minor noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-16#1863154 << uncrated it last night, and it's a success , a+++ sunlight display
mircea_popescu: "does this dildo work on blondes as well as brunettes ?" "well... it works on redheads best, but it'll do the oooh-aaah job for anyone."
mircea_popescu: the issue with priesthood is that it offers perpetual masturbatory toys for the non-smart irrespective of their "intelligence" as irrespective of their height.
mircea_popescu: right ? but the priests were ~intelligent~.
asciilifeform: as i understand, it's a temple, they had'em in 3000 bc just the same, heathens pray to their peculiar gods
mircea_popescu: the ground zero of some kind of intelligence.
mircea_popescu: dumb as fucking rocks also, and i would like to introduce mission street in sf into the record as exhibit fucktards.
asciilifeform: aside from the test where you actually gotta explore the solution space to converge on solution, lol
asciilifeform: chinese examtaker , or the '2030' people mircea_popescu linked, resemble 'fast comp but without rng'
mircea_popescu: 90% of the time i try to read something, the attempt fails ; and almost always it is because the author is insulting my smarts, not my intelligence. they're all such intelligent men, from sf writers to hayek to what have you. the problem is that they're not smart.
a111: Logged on 2015-07-08 19:34 ascii_field: far more interesting is the trait hasn eysenck called 'psychoticism'
mircea_popescu: which i stand behind, ftr ; and it is also what informs the "if they had any sense -- they'd be here" stance. the fact that rando can't cut through fetlife to find the meat / can't cut through internet to find trilema / can't cut through femstate to find bitcoin / can't cut through pantsuitism to find republic etc specifically means that rando is dull, ie, not smart.
mircea_popescu: and in fact the complaint wasn't "you're not telepathic enough to be here" in any sense, but quite specifically "after having been shown the bells and the whistles from different angles and being allowed some digestion time you ~still~ don't manage to recognize them, and therefore lack the fundamental ability required to participate in the affairs of humanity".
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 16:55 mircea_popescu: douchebag looky, the place's not for you. you're not smart enough to be here. what's so hard to grok about this ? some people are smart, some people aren't smart, you're not smart. what, you have to be dragged out, your legs don't work, what is it ?
mircea_popescu: there ~certainly~ exists such a thing as "ability to see through bells and whistles", uniting with a strong red thread the 1800s definition of a man ( http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/#selection-31.205-31.374 ) and the 2000s definition of a man ( as say http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826859 ).
mircea_popescu: Mocky i actually distinguish between smarts (the reductive ability, that powers "i suspect there's no such thing as intelligence", and typified perhaps best by d. kyon) and "intelligence" (the constructive ability, that powers "more loc, more tech, more future", and typified perhaps best by "fm-2030" ).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not making either of those two strong statements. but it does seem to me that the reason you don't have a model is that you're trying to model somethingt that doesn't exist (not that the UNDERLYING PHENOMENA don't exist). much like people "didn't have a model" of earth-centric cosmos.
asciilifeform: Mocky: yes it's an imaginary object. q is whether 'imaginary like devils' or 'imaginary like electron cloud'. i favour the latter, mircea_popescu , i think, the former
a111: Logged on 2018-10-18 17:08 mircea_popescu: intelligence is, imo, very much like the concept of "luck", or dreamlike causation : the retrofitted imaginary "cause", constructed retrospectively.
Mocky: I can see that view, but by evaluating it only education and experience, runs into the same >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-18#1863542
a111: Logged on 2018-10-18 17:09 mircea_popescu: it's a thing like "prescience" or "telepathy" : only exists through the process that sufferer's more likely to notice sustaining examples than disproving examples.
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-18#1863546 >> if this is true then "you're not smart enough be here" is as meaningful as "not telepathic enough"
mircea_popescu: (utri == upper respiratory tract infection", to help the future summarizers)
a111: Logged on 2018-09-11 00:26 mircea_popescu: "i have this inorganic polymerization model which permits me to predict the behaviour of calcium-based matrices and also predicts that should you replace the calcium with strontium, the oxigen content cvadruples ans there's need for an item extra in there that's just like aluminum for so and so reasons"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in usa just walking through that door would be a $1000+ ding << For completeness, there was also the option to have a "radiodoctor" do a house call, but I figured the intel gathering opportunity on the hospital at a time when I'm a least several days removed for threat of mortality would be the higher return option
mircea_popescu: we have mechanical model for strength, and i can make predictions BEFORE the fact, and built entirely on measurements unrelated to "please lift this weight"
asciilifeform: same model as strength, agility. tho. where is strength before subj is asked to lift the weight.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between "cat is there whether you look or not" and "we'll put a cat in some boxes you look into, let us know which"
asciilifeform: lol how would one conceive of establishing it without the training
mircea_popescu: therefore...
mircea_popescu: but this is established after the training and not afore.
asciilifeform: some lions can be trained to play 'tetris', others, no matter how much stick and cookie, not, mircea_popescu of all people i expect would know this
mircea_popescu: it's a thing like "prescience" or "telepathy" : only exists through the process that sufferer's more likely to notice sustaining examples than disproving examples.
asciilifeform: it's a thing like agility, or strength ( rather than height, or cock girth, etc )
mircea_popescu: really its only practical function is anxiety modulation in the waking state.
mircea_popescu: intelligence is, imo, very much like the concept of "luck", or dreamlike causation : the retrofitted imaginary "cause", constructed retrospectively.
mircea_popescu: no such fucking thing, it's exactly like genetics -- genetically present traits may or may not phenotypically manifest. but if they do not -- THEY WERE NEVER THERE.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: near as i could tell, d00d had plenty of native intelligence. but grew up in the circus, and so knows nuffin but idjit acrobatics.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I said no, I don't need the note. If I go back I'll get one the next time
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but are these born ? or bonsaikittened into existence
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform douchebag is pretty much the only thing i don't really want. "Once complete the children are sorted by score, and the bottom thirdi is sold by open outcry (the males are neutered first)." and all that.
BingoBoingo: I was also asked if I wanted a note to take off from work, because apparently that is what 80% of the other ER walkins were there for
asciilifeform: came up in the recent douchebag threads also. ( worx great, apparently, for keeping douchebag et al on the treadmill )
mircea_popescu: ie, they're for young boys with little value.
mircea_popescu: they only work on low information voters ("coincidentally", the only sort of voter her most pantsuited hilarity ever wants).
a111: Logged on 2013-12-15 01:18 mircea_popescu: a tournament market, like typiocally the 1mn starlets waiting tables in hollywood is there to exploit labour.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 20:38 mircea_popescu: ok. let's go back to the original tournament market, the hollywood studio.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ in there somewhere
BingoBoingo: Doctor took a look and wrote the antibiotic script
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you recall right off where the cannonical statement of "why pay 10mn dorks 50k each when could pick 3 to pay 10mn ea and let the rest hope" lottery tickets thread lives ?
BingoBoingo: After checking in at the desk maybe 45 minutes of waiting
BingoBoingo: Walked to the emergency room after calling and finding every clinic appointment slot booked until next week
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the matter is extensively documented on trilema at that. cost me a few grand, but hey, can't have free science.
asciilifeform: hey, 'spreading -- works!', subscribe to google ads and get the 'asked-for' number of 'clicks' (from bots, but who promised anyffing in particular)
mircea_popescu: but anyway, it's a refinement on paul graham's scam ( http://trilema.com/2015/investigations-in-the-bone-heap-of-the-lost-generation-today-mashable/#footnote_6_59020 )
mircea_popescu: somehow hollywood had to pay millions in salaries to the few selected chumnps in its entire existence to keep the flow of waitresses going
asciilifeform: aha, gets buckets of printolade and dresses up as 'income', like other usg.tbtf.corps.*
mircea_popescu: 100% of that entirely fictitious pile is built out of a generalized belief that there is such a thing as "adwords" and it does exchange money, and well... that guy was the early (and really, only) winner of that lottery market.
asciilifeform: ( my model dun differ so much from mircea_popescu's, aside from where i lump the digg & reddit waves together in lump element, afaik they consisted of largely same lost souls )
mircea_popescu: then there's a digg cycle, and then there's a reddit cycle. and there probably was a small one in between, with wordpress and "shoemoney" and "web20" etc.
mircea_popescu: i mean, 1993 was cycle 1. then there was the wikitardia thing, alongside "slashdot" and "fark" and so on. that was defo 2.
mircea_popescu: sadly tokyo doesn't enjoy a lengthy history APART from the moron invasion.
mircea_popescu: buncha fucken turtles. but the problem is, as ~100% of the population is coming to town from the first time, well... ~THE TOWN~ ends up consisting of what first time towners think the town's like.
mircea_popescu: in fact, 80% or more of what passes fro "creative" these days, ie shitty cable shows and "stand up comedy" consist entirely of "recognition porn". turtles visiting tokyo, "hey, turtle from osaka, you too thought the tram was a large dog ?!" "yes turtle from kyoto, that's exactly what i thought when i first saw a tram, did you think so too ?!" "yes this is a brilliant idea to think".
mircea_popescu: this hallucination of the adolescent mind that "definitely lots of chicks in cemetery, now if only could find right place to dig".
asciilifeform: imho biggest surprise re mircea_popescu's fetlife dig is that any actual chix turned up at all. i wouldn't have expected there were any.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, the discussed problem re spam, http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/#selection-931.0-931.721 is exactly borne of the same fount that gave us "transsexuals", yes.
mircea_popescu: and yet, http://trilema.com/2017/i-think-they-might-be-overdoing-it-in-places/#selection-97.159-97.461
mircea_popescu: by the time you have to employ alien tech to extract some useful out of the pile, ocean-sifters of epic scale purpose built etc...
asciilifeform: in reality mostly bots talking to one another. with the occasional meatbot in the mix.
mircea_popescu: there's just this baked in assumption that "LOT OUYT THERE!!!" when in fact there is ~0, not even epsilon, outright ~0, out there.
mircea_popescu: it's defo fucked up the worldview of the pleb. http://trilema.com/2017/fake-news-are-just-one-tail-of-the-failed-female-state/ doesn't even begin to do the topic justice.
asciilifeform: 'there are infinite chumps, nao if could find'em'
asciilifeform: the aolization of the net created this illusion; is what gave us spam, 'marketing', pestilential ads