Mocky: They have a very poor appreciation for intangibles. They want to get something they can hold in their hand when they spend money. If it's something they can't see, they balk at paying for it. And if they do pay for it, it'll bother them to no end. One example was dude decided he wanted a car, ordered a brand new, fully customized Bentley. 350k USD. Wouldn't go pick it up when it arrived because balked at having to pay 900 USD /month for insurance. not
Mocky: so i dug into what it's like to be in business with Qataris and how their attitudes are, with my 11 new acquaintances at breakfast today. 3 of them have had first hand experience in their business dealings for years now and happy to tell stories. I'll relay the gist of it here. on the following points there was not the slightest disagreement from anyone at the table, only nodding heads and further stories illustrating the exact same points.
diana_coman: I have one box for all the shit, yes
asciilifeform: afaik the only thinking folx today with copy of 'flash' are , like asciilifeform , running it on dedicated winblowz leprosorium, specifically for unpacking virii which require it...
asciilifeform: they're distinguishable ~only in that 'flash' at this point requires elaborate gymnastics to run, involving pretty much sacrifice of a whole box (sorta like java)
diana_coman: ah, I don't quite distinguish between them really
asciilifeform: but for the most part crapple succeeded in exterminating flashism ( to replace with own 'html5' abortion )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: which item in your 'shelf' contains the most recent keccak , to go from ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-20 14:55 asciilifeform: it will have to be cured at some point, keccakization currently eats 8x moar memory (9x if counting the fact that it cannot run in-place) than it ought
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864385 -> yes; perhaps as it gets used more, the trouble becomes more pressing and then it'll get done...
asciilifeform: ( various heathen sites routinely 'load content dynamically' etc )
asciilifeform: there aren't really explicit lists of 'don't's, the philosophy is really 'don't do obviously dumb things'
billymg: is there perhaps a list of "definitely don't use [feature], will never load for republicans"
asciilifeform: ( iirc there's even somebody with early 2000s 'opera' )
billymg: curious what type of browser environments the lords use -- when writing a theme for mp-wp will need to know what kind of font, css, js support to expect
billymg: and to trinque for giving me the task
phf: Mocky: oh yeah i didn't mean to imply that in qatar specifically it's only foreigners term, seems like the words used are entirely regional, e.g. egyptians call it shisha also. i've smoked too much hookah, so i like to know the whole set, so that i can effectively communicate with the locals :)
phf: diff's block reader doesn't necessarily attempt to keep the blocks small, allocates a 39098690 buffer, which crosses the boundary and immediatelly hits the part you've already pointed out: x8 bitstream allocator
phf: asciilifeform: i figured out what the issue is
Mocky: i met others as well, europeans, americans, canadians but they didn't know about biz or qataris enough to contribute to the convo
Mocky: the other was an Egyptian veterinary doctor who has been working freelance here for some years
Mocky: an older american lady who works in a qatari house and has authority over the financial dealings of the sons with business degrees from uni and because of the status of the father (her boss) there are other lower station qataris that she doesn't need to listen to
Mocky: phf well i've only spoken to foreigners here about it so that could be the case here as well, but it does say "shisha" on the printed menu, but also printed in english for foreigners
phf: they ought to call it argile, but i suspect shisha is more international. in turkey they call it nargile almost exclusively, and only call it shisha when trying to communicate with a foreigner
Mocky: yes, actually, but they don't call it hookah here, they call it shisha. but that wasn't today and no humans in sight
phf: you made it to a hookah bar then?
phf: no no, that's an unreleased enable sha512, so my point is that it must be something in ada/c interop, or the particular way i do it in vdiff: ksum works though it uses same interface, vdiff sha512 works though it uses an architecturally identical sha interface.
asciilifeform: it will have to be cured at some point, keccakization currently eats 8x moar memory (9x if counting the fact that it cannot run in-place) than it ought
phf: diana_coman's keccak interface uses a KeccakWholeThing(...) method (not the actual name), in vtools i added a new interface, which follows the classical hasher format: KeccakCtx() UpdateCtx(ctx, data) EndCtx(ctx, resultHash)
asciilifeform: i was on a box without the standalone keccak, so tried to use vdiff to get keccakization
phf: hmm, i wonder if it's maybe c/ada interop? straight ksum gives me the answer, and it uses the same incremental mechanism (already trie)d
phf: i also don't think it's a stack allocation issue, ksum against the file works, and the integration between c diff and keccak was designed with chunk reading in mind
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 12 hours and 52 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to snarf http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-October/000315.html into 'experiment' tree.
asciilifeform: really mmap is the champ for disk i/o on unixlikes.
asciilifeform: ( once i finally shit out the cleaned/reground/keccakized genesis thereof, it's near in the conveyor )
mircea_popescu: i guess so. there were some other items scattered about re what should go in the config file for vtron
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform should prolly go in the config file o.O
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asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plox to snarf http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-October/000315.html into 'experiment' tree.
asciilifeform: meanwhile: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! >> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-October/000315.html
asciilifeform: there is not a magical way out of this on linux, sadly.
asciilifeform: it's a fairly simple fix, as i understand, gotta up the max stack
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo to celebrate first visual tonsil regression with early beachwalk (They put the lifeguard huts up this week). Brb, voy a ver mis olas.
asciilifeform: and come to think of it, tech #1 did look rather like a 'ows' ...
asciilifeform: finally vendor sends an actual tech, who fixes and takes pics, then reveals 'oh him? he was a fraud'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had one of these not long ago !
mircea_popescu: "it's cool that 3 dudes will show up to fix your ac at 11pm ; it's sad that they're not particularily qualified to fix anytrhing, or even be indoors, really..."
Mocky: my AC compressor on the roof had a problem. now these clowns didn't fix it but did manage to break the indoor fan and circuit board as well. and i gotta get up in 6 hours for this meet and greet. gonna be a sweaty night
BingoBoingo: And now that Uruguay passed tranny reparations, they can turn to the real scourge: "Gobierno quiere prohibir que se cruce la calle mirando el celular"
BingoBoingo: Mocky: It could also be that you hit the 2 week mark and the local viruses caught up to your presence
Mocky: and i mean it's cool that 3 dudes will show up to fix your ac at 11pm, back in states it's 9-5 strictly, but man pushing up on 1am and they still working and not seeing signals of competence...
BingoBoingo: The Peruana has the sore throat deal about a month ago, but she sought medical attention as soon as she registered a fever, because nurse has to get that work note to show the hospital
billymg: with whom i did not come in contact, otherwise would go without saying
billymg: lol not just us, others in my meat-wot as well
BingoBoingo: I get a tonsilitis, billymg gets a cold... Under the two times coincidence rule if one more person gets sick this week, gotta call it biowarfare
billymg: which allows for emerging without upgrading portage to the gpg2 requiring version
billymg: i also added the libmcrypt ebuild here http://161.0.121.194/downloads/libmcrypt.ebuild.tar.gz
asciilifeform: the only mass prod / gettable one , is pq3qi-01 .
BingoBoingo might have to do some reading/lamenting there isn't an 11.6" version
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: best as i can tell, nuffin but samsung n30, n150, lenovo s10-2 (but not s10-3, i opened one and no dice, cabling too short) will eat the thing.
BingoBoingo: Dell made a 10" Latitude 'business netbook' which appears to be common in the online listings here (Marketing point was it is the robust netbook). I wonder if it will eat the Qi.
asciilifeform: the 'qi' crystal has '90s-style viewing angle, too. coupla degrees left or right and it's ~half visible. i suppose for some applications this, too, is win
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo : it's pretty much exactly like those things sold in the sunday market in BingoBoingostan
asciilifeform: in moar minor noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-18#1863610 is a++ display but pretty sad box, i forgot just how rubbishy these were, cramped kbd with coarse molded plastic feels like sumthing straight from toy store, touch pad thing is the size of 2 postage stamps, arm rest creaks...
mircea_popescu: on top of it being the exact situation in the field, it's also something easy enough to digest for orc mind.
mircea_popescu: in any case -- our objerction to the microshit/cisco/cornell pile is that they're NOT NEARLY WHITE ENOUGH, for our tastes.
Mocky: "they have respect so much" damn, only 10 days and I'm already doing english like the indians/philipinos/nigerians/ethiopians/tanzanians/wakandans etc.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 17:19 mircea_popescu: Mocky what's the half you don't know ?
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864270 >> I don't have everything sorted in my mind. I don't know yet what they need or perceive that they need. or how to position myself with respect to the microsoft/cisco/cornell they have respect so much.
BingoBoingo: They do that here too "Gringo colonizers" "Capitalist pigs"
Mocky: white man is on a pedestal here. americans the most
Mocky: it's weird because they way they look up to americans and western companies / universities, while also infidel
BingoBoingo: <Mocky> that's about how i feel honestly when walking up to people and talking to them about this stuff << "I am refugee from the US here to Make Great, Great Again"
Mocky: hey, maybe if i actually was suave then could come up with how to explain the future to orcs, but i'll get more chances to try tomorrow in any case
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 17:05 mircea_popescu: Mocky another angle : find someone to sell btc to.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864252 << i guess i misspoke. what i meant was, "find someone who really really was desperately trying to buy btc but never could before, because insulated in the qtar shitland"
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 17:09 Mocky: I can find local males, there are tons walking around malls in bright white robes with their families.
mircea_popescu: you literally came from the future, all those boyiush fantasies of "what if i landed in medieval blabla" are ~this.
Mocky: that's about how i feel honestly when walking up to people and talking to them about this stuff
mircea_popescu: Mocky what's the half you don't know ?
mircea_popescu: it's weird, yers. but in the circumstances as i understand them, weird is 500x times better than trite, "hello sir, i r guampatambatam from my country india"
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 03:41 asciilifeform: ( pretty hard, imho, to even begin in language heathens might understand.. )
mircea_popescu: and don't be ashamed/shy away from saying things like "i'm a representative of the most serene republic of bitcoin, we're looking to build etc".
BingoBoingo: Mocky: One encouraging thing you have in Qatar that you don't in Uruguay is evidence these people have money somewhere, hence buying S-400's from Russia
Mocky: keeping an eye on their females
Mocky: I can find local males, there are tons walking around malls in bright white robes with their families.
mircea_popescu: and all the sons.
mircea_popescu: talk about it to the dude and to all older local males you can find.
mircea_popescu: Mocky another angle : find someone to sell btc to.
Mocky: but the sun sets early without daylight savings time, and it cools quickly without the sun, so can walk outside after about 4:45
Mocky: here, civilized person can't walk more than 3 blocks outside during midday. would be drenched in sweat. likewise can't stand for 15 minutes waiting for bus. it's get into a car with AC or smell like the riff raff
asciilifeform: they own fleets.
asciilifeform: Mocky: herr baron himself aint 'limo driver' tho. even in nyc most medallion owners do not themselves drive cab.
BingoBoingo: I am sure there would be a lot less cars in Uruguay if motherfuckers weren't spending all day doing the Uber to pay for their cars
Mocky: i'm sure the qataris in lambos would love that angle
mircea_popescu: in retrospect is the #1 thing i like about him.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 13:48 asciilifeform: well not just any idlers, but folx not fitting into the structure. bums, pickpockets, the typical bipedal ferals of 'civilization'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864040 << your favourite shoemaker used to have the police regularly beat these, and then detain them in workcamps.
Mocky: traffic is only bad here during rush hour, and even then not as bad as rush hour in us cities. so long as you avoid the "10 minute lights"
asciilifeform: iirc even in some sad old europistans they had this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also a good idea. the girls know how many times i went "car license - 100k!"
mircea_popescu: maybe the idea is that since people will focus on the list, they'd rather them focus on the negative list and try to get out than focus on the positive and try to break the system.
asciilifeform: iirc in asia they have ~same thing, but encoded differently, they simply charge 100k $ for 'car tax'
Mocky: the list of permitted would be longer
asciilifeform: why the massive list of 'milkman', 'muazin', etc
asciilifeform: Mocky, mircea_popescu : the 'professions not given driver license' thing dun make much sense imho; why not much shorter list of who ~is~ given, 'titled baron', 'ceo of co listed on exchange', 'fuhrer', etc
mircea_popescu: which reminds me of a bon mot i put out 20 years ago. "rich dude" of the warren buffett/alexander abramov was building house. very large, somerwaht brutalistic, remarkably small windows. "why are the windows so small ?!" "he's trying to re-create his prison experience".
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 13:25 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863957 << were you able to discover against whom these were built? generally folx dun build castles when no enemy..
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864022 << yes, they do. enemy -- in own head. postmodern times.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864009 << no, actually, sounds like "stupid daugthers". it's ~100% pantsuit list.
Mocky: ikr? that list is the old one too. the newer once is twice as long, includes "computer programmer"
mircea_popescu: "Financial Services Worker" ; "Barber Beautician" yup it's 100% directed at them too
Mocky: even in the grocery, a dozen security guards on duty at once. some walking some guarding
mircea_popescu: if cr implemenrted this same thing, "no driving license for office drone / cal lcenter chickie / whatever pipedream "professional" class" they'd have 0 problems left to fix.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:38 diana_coman: failing that, I guess 20 somethings partying at least have a local father, for whatever good that might be
Mocky: that reminds me how overstaffed everything is here. jewelry store in side a hypermarket, 7 dudes behind the counter. not enough room to all stretch arms out. 3 guards. zero customers. in the mall no matter where you go, will be in sight of 2 security guards
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:37 diana_coman: the point being to my mind to perhaps meet *there* some people worth meeting, not as much joining the track per se
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863989 << no, because if they're there they're definitionally not worth meeting. exactly how you wouldn't try and hire for s.mg from the ro army ged class.
mircea_popescu: i have a feeling all these discussions will be referenced lots and lots in future, i'd rather not have anything trashed later "for lack of evidence".
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:37 Mocky: the events are: make your slide deck, public speaking workshops, have an app...
mircea_popescu: orcs have nfi how any man tools work, do they ?!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863986 << ahahahaha they think cowork is uni lab! roflmao.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they did not read/understand colon-ial history.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:33 Mocky: but there's exactly no one here who would use a coworks. you either came here for a job, or your dad can get you a job
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863981 << one idea is, most of these4 people prolly have a gf, who is possibly attempting to "live independently". talk to whatever aspirational class girlies do there ? "real estate agent" is it in latam ; maybe "expensive shop 5th avenue of doha" ? thjat was ~it in bucharest.
asciilifeform: esp. odd considering that orig spanish had 0 problem with gulag for the aboriginal extras
mircea_popescu: i'm saying they missed the convenient doping in the mental dielectric to allow the sparking of "this! what we do is THIS!"
asciilifeform: gulagistan wasn't exactly rich in surface minerals, either, most of the digs were fairly deep
mircea_popescu: but yes, totally -- go to college, on entrance test basis, 100% free, luxurios accomodations even. however at the end of it, the bottom half straight to kolyma.
asciilifeform: anybody ever so much as bothered to drill an' see ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:27 mircea_popescu: there is no, strictly speaking, reason that iron MUST be provided on the surface of a planet just like the earth. it ~could~, very well, have simply gone through a place poor in planetoids and ended up entirely iron free on the surface. but it did not.
mircea_popescu: yeah. problem is stalin got lucky (in the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759568 sense ) and siberia was "rich". pampas -- no such thing. so they didn't have the stepping stone, for it to occur to them, what to do with lefty students.
BingoBoingo: 10x the warm bodies, no thanks
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i think the problem was they permitted buenos aires agglomeration << The more time I spend here the more horrifying the idea of a Buenos Aires is.
BingoBoingo: The dictatorship in Uruguay legalized cannabis in the 1970's to neuter the hippies and by the 1980's they lost at the ballot box.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ar is still historical puzzler to me -- they sprayed and sprayed, and no end of roaches; what was the issue, notenuff spray ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so sad all the 70s dictatorships failed. argentina'd have been a way better place if the junta shot 10x more students and beat ~all of them.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, Uruguay has one jailbreak story. Back in the dictatorship years a bunch of Commie scum (~150 NPCs) locked up in the future Punta Carretas Shopping tunneled their way out.
mircea_popescu: anyway, what the dudes did have was a very strangely nordic, respectful and ellaborate ritual dealing with homosexuality.
mircea_popescu: ie, guy who was gonna steal a cookie was gonna steal a cookie ; that in the one case where he stole it he saw some guy stealing from a jar in miami so "he was emboldened by the sight" is entirely uncausative. he'd have stolen it because a spider climbed the wall and similarily "inspired" his dumb ass.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by all accts, typical escape in su proper was during conveyance . prisons had well developed systems of stoolies, capos, cells packed like sardine can, not much lock fiddling there.
mircea_popescu: i'd say http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687624 ; but then again the suspicion in my mind is that this is the sort of thing thatd happen anyway.
mircea_popescu: it's funny how the worst traits of pantsuitism export easiest.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And it is inept in a way that is alienating the labor folk who "support" them
mircea_popescu: especially if elite talent's stuck there boring with it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform competency rather than connectivity is discussed.
BingoBoingo: And in still other local news, the Tranny reparations bill passed. Trannys born before 1975 with documentation showing "persecution under the dictatorship" (i.e. commie scum) will be getting 11.000 pesos monthly. The estimates are 150-180 of these tranny reparations will be made, and I am guessing everyone receiving them will be an FA party member.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, was ~always~ the case. during soviet times, i recall older guy saying to (friend) who worked at jail, "god fucking help you if an actual thief ever ends up in there".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly naively, i pictured that the clink is the 1 place that regularly frictions against actual-human folx. but whoknows, after N gens of reddit, this.
mircea_popescu: then runs into actual human, suddenly the whole thing's closer to a drawing than anyone realised.
mircea_popescu: ioned tend to apply. "did that fix things ?" "i did what was in the book" "but did it work ?" "what do you want from me! what i do is just a gig! it's not my life!!!".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not necessarily that it happened ; but you gotta understand the interaction between massively multiplayer ineptitude and internalized castration. prison sits there for years at a stretch without encountering an actual human being, 100% redditards spinning in their own internalized mental narratives, incapable of finding way out of paper bag. slowly decays, under imaginary maintenance, the sort that the aforement
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll believe the hollywood escape is possible. All most of the kids here eat is hollywood.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:30 Mocky: well not so 'guilded' for the bottom two classes, but at least they can leave now if they want
mircea_popescu: hence "the zone"
mircea_popescu: who was that guy that had a number of children with the assortment of strippers hired to "guard" him back in the zone ?
BingoBoingo: In other jailbreaks: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/profugo-de-carcel-central-asesinatos-17-rapinas-y-otras-atrocidades-20181019121442
a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 14:22 asciilifeform: recall the anecdote re w. shockley's 'genius spermbank' calling feynman ? him: 'whatcha bothering ~me~ for, talk to my father'
mircea_popescu has exactly 0 intention of entertaining the "but i am your son!" bs in any case. everyone's someone's son, and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628787
mircea_popescu: much like EVEN NOW the cost of disease still fails to exceed the benefit from sexuate reproduction, i suspect the same applies there : any other drawbacks a social system may have, the fact it dun force you to put woman's children in your wot is still enough to bring it above water.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:29 Mocky: but Qataris don't mix with the help, except the partying 20 somethings that don't want to work (reportedly) and they don't seem to be in their parents wot
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863976 << this is very much the one great gain of multi-female household. you don't have to put the spawn in wot. imo worth weight in gold.
mircea_popescu: she'd work winters in the (at the time) super-hottest-spot-on-earth, some expensive & pointless UAE resort development.
mircea_popescu talking to "party girl" at some point (ukr chick, too) about it : "don't you find it intolerable ?" "well... i think of it as a perpetual costume party in the street."
Mocky: that seems to be the report from housekeepers. bored qataris with nothing to do but shisha, sex and kfc
BingoBoingo: Hence the walls.
mircea_popescu: Mocky egypt is same way, except then in private it's topless party w/e.
Mocky: if there are local girls who dont' look exactly like this at all times in public, I havent seen: http://www.milenio.com/tendencias/Mujeres-Arabia-Saudita_MILIMA20160119_0193_8.jpg
BingoBoingo: It seems pretty clear the 20 foot concrete fences are for privacy under the pretext of security
mircea_popescu: "must be in right time at right place" sorta deal ; otherwise LOTS of people (and a LOT more than care to admit) spent 60s in california looking for the party.
mircea_popescu: Mocky it's possible they may have a prequal system, if not necessarily what BingoBoingo describes.
Mocky: dozens of party boats that head out for afternoon / evening party / swimming in the bay. thumping music in harbor at night
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864068 << for extra lulz, BingoBoingo : i regged an acct on their www and submitted comment, and (spoiler) 'Submitted and awaiting moderation...' for hrs nao
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Well, do the locals go there? Take four of the girls you met and lounge around with the for a weekday evening. Good chance that might be how you meet locals.
Mocky: the big thing is the party boats in west bay, wooden boats you can seen in like half the public pics of Doha skyline.
Mocky: there are a bunch of beaches. some closes during turtle nesting season. spread around qatar. not sure how many close to Doha, but not like it's a big country
BingoBoingo: <Mocky> the downtown area wraps the bay and is maybe 10 blocks deep. I guess you could call this 'a ring'. the rest of the city is basically concentric circles of rings b - f (actual street names) between which are neighborhoods of predominantly residential villas but with huge retail areas interspersed. << The rings sounds rather like 1900's-1950's Montevideo
BingoBoingo: Mocky: I take it there is a beach?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:26 Mocky: week two has been wheel spinning so far like most of week 1. I've had in person conversations with 30+ people in the last week about business and finding a local business sponsor. None of these people are locals, none of them knows a local in business, or even an expat in business, or had any idea what they would do if needed to find.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:10 Mocky: for example, there are 12 malls in Doha. if you stood on top of one, could see others.
mircea_popescu: it's a sad testament to the age of "enlightment" that we went from 1600s manor house to 1800s brownstone tenement and now to 2000s tallwall. dark ages ftw.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 08:25 Mocky: in the 'burbs there are sort of ticky tack housing communities where a couple dozen villas will share one big wall, with guard on duty at the gate.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863959 << what you're describing is pretty much where the current world's going. ~same here, ~same in moscow, whatever.
BingoBoingo: In other news: The Peruana, Gloria, has passed her examinations and will be getting licensed in the profession of vaccination.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 00:43 amberglint: here's the crack for Macsyma: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TRpId/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 00:41 amberglint: thankfully someone shared the crack with me, which I pasted here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/91Gll/?raw=true
asciilifeform: makes sense tho, if errybody is either a baron or cheapo gastarbeiter , deportation worx
Mocky: fewer lashes for theft etc. I know the corporal punishment sentences are handed down, but not always implemented. I don't know the ratio of commuting to jail time / deportation
Mocky: for the man only
Mocky: it's still on the books, 40 lashes for sex outside marriage for a muslim. i think they did it as recently as a few years ago
Mocky: I don't know about public or not. as part of sharia law it applies only to muslims. they have secular law for non muslims.
asciilifeform: ( while on subj, what's the punishment system like ? can attend a good beheading, arm-chopping ? )
asciilifeform: well not just any idlers, but folx not fitting into the structure. bums, pickpockets, the typical bipedal ferals of 'civilization'
asciilifeform: Mocky: from your earlier description , sounds like there are no 'lumpens' in qatar ? ( if so, this is pretty neat )
diana_coman: iirc thick walls also -> cooler; though this might make more sense for building rather than garden
Mocky: then ... "trouble"
Mocky: evidently they no longer care unless you force them to care. like having a domestic dispute where police are called while living together unwed
Mocky: one thing i can say is that in the past there were guards hired at many villas to monitor the comings and goings. lover cannot be snuck into parents house easily, and expats had same problem here. "cannot bring girlfriend over... guard"
asciilifeform: the latter, to me suggests a present enemy
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the american folx indeed define loosely ; they build wooden fence tho, not ferrocement
diana_coman: or rather: enemy can be defined very loosely (sand! strangers' eyes!)
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 13:25 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863957 << were you able to discover against whom these were built? generally folx dun build castles when no enemy..
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 08:21 Mocky: 8 foot walls for the cheap housing 20 foot for expensive. From what i can tell ~nobody lives outside of such 'fortress'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863957 << were you able to discover against whom these were built? generally folx dun build castles when no enemy..
Mocky: well i guess more like DC or SF but with ~twice the popluation
Mocky: can't build a pittsburg out of the sand in 35 years without grunts
diana_coman: at the end of the day it's not exactly qatar's fault that it's so shitty at home for those people that they'd rather eat the sand there
Mocky: but the upper class of foreign workers has a better deal than they'd get back home. comparable pay, dozen weeks of holiday per year, no taxes, housing provided
diana_coman: ah well, if not a camel, then can't camel I suppose
Mocky: ftr: the bottom class is outside laborers, housed in barracks, transported by busses
Mocky: not sure yet what the cost, or thier criteria
Mocky: one of them claims on their website that certain IT and consulting busniesses don't require a local sponsor. if they actually have experience with these things I expect it to be helpful
diana_coman: my limited experience with a business incubator in south tyrol was that there were also people from local businesses + local government, but I have no idea to what extent this experience means anything for qatar-incubator
Mocky: i'm about to implement plan b, and talk to the local companies that advertise to help you get your business started and help find you a sponsor
diana_coman: failing that, I guess 20 somethings partying at least have a local father, for whatever good that might be
diana_coman: ah, pitty; well, hopefully they have more than 1 / year, lol
Mocky: they did have an event the day i arrived, but i missed it. no more events on the near calendar
diana_coman: and at those workshops the audience is only incubator-fellows or what?
diana_coman: the point being to my mind to perhaps meet *there* some people worth meeting, not as much joining the track per se
Mocky: the events are: make your slide deck, public speaking workshops, have an app...
diana_coman: hm, but no way to even attend one of the events i.e. as visitor?
Mocky: you have to get approved, but there's no one actually at the place to approve you, only desk minders. and if approved you have to join the sv track
diana_coman: I'd naively expect there would be at least some sort of link possible at the incubator; no events either?
Mocky: so the startup incubator is not at all like what i expected
Mocky: but there's exactly no one here who would use a coworks. you either came here for a job, or your dad can get you a job
diana_coman: oh huh, and no work at the startup incubator?