mircea_popescu: echelon so when did you register it then ?
mircea_popescu: in that obvious is just as obvious as any other obvious.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-01 17:44 asciilifeform: i had to algebraize the thing , and have just the right rng bits flip in head , to get the 'ceiling tiles' ( why didn't mircea_popescu get'em in '15 ? )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the reason for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-01#1868388 is different than the reason for "stop eating when not hungry" ? both were equally obvious at all points.
mircea_popescu: bullcosby suppose you just read all of trilema as a goodboi, and let it change what you are, rather than expect you're important enough for your malformed desires to be gratified.
mircea_popescu: and this does not apply to teaching bois math because ? math also won't fix the underlying problem that resulted in their having to learn how to think properly in the first place.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i cannot speak as expert, but as i understand -- not only will new coat not be anything like the orig coat, destroyed by owner's stupidity, but sewn coat will not correct the problem that resulted in needing new
mircea_popescu: the articulation of the comparison is (brains as in w/e makes males valuable) vs (whatever makes females valuable). as a gender construct.
bullcosby: I was wondering where this image was taken from?: http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/bg_nov2015.jpg
asciilifeform: as i understand, this one is moar re the third path, i.e. search for working brains in the wild
mircea_popescu: you wanna fix the brains that are, or replace them with some other brains that aren't ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, do you see how this relates to the ia/ai discussion ?
mircea_popescu: well in practice i havent ; in theory i dunno, cuz we're believers in the human spirit and haven't yet turned down someone because he's black or whatever ?
asciilifeform: taking 1 of these and having it sewn into human form
mircea_popescu: would bother with what ?
asciilifeform: but yes i cant picture why mircea_popescu would bother
asciilifeform: erry so often, d00d with money gets a hold of one of these chickens, and gotta make silk purse from sow's ear somehow
asciilifeform: iirc at a certain point you gotta snip the extra hide off
mircea_popescu: there's subtle differences chicken farmers notice and anyone else doesn't re sickly chickens.
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, ave1 , diana_coman , mircea_popescu , phf , other folx with a gnat and 10min of free time -- asciilifeform would like to see outputs of http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/thousand_muls.txt ( ch12 benchmark ) on various irons
mircea_popescu: the pnw is where the liberal mares are "outta school", no moar patriarchy to beat them until they either die or perform at their own liberal option.
asciilifeform: the underground train is also a favourite
mircea_popescu: ellajanex 23F Undecided "You wrote a whole message in the header? I cant even read that shit." LordMPofTMSR "Think of it as an intelligence test. That you're failing." ellajanex "Im out of school i dont need tests or games lmao" << there, might that substitute ?
asciilifeform: they hang out in mcd, steam grates, etc
mircea_popescu: frost kills bums and other bacteria
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, where the liberal mares run free
trinque: and various other backlog items
BingoBoingo: Even if the source material is blurry, incomplete, and associated with very strong feelings however inconsistent they are.
mircea_popescu: good fucking thing these morons "progress&civil rights for women". because totally, living in a concrete box @"the beautiful" as a sex slave so much beats being a 1950s housewife
mircea_popescu: "Im Lia Sweet, an amateur content creator and online sex worker from the beautiful PNW". << http://trilema.com/2018/hey-women-did-you-know-that-before-the-pantsuited-hilarity-gave-you-your-civil-rights-you-were-living-in-slavery/
Mocky: trinque, is there anything wrong with my pending withdrawals from a few days ago or do you just need to hand crank em?
mircea_popescu: in fairness, there's also the occasional gem. "Forced conduct prohibits genuine relationships" no shit. it's like reading the charlie chaplin version of carnegie.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-03 22:38 mircea_popescu: Mocky so i guess next step is make an appointment with their minister of technology, industry, or whatever the fuck, explain to the secretarial overseer you end up seeing that the republic is in principle willing to do some tech transfer help them become a real country, exchange confused nods and handshakes and set the bozo bit on the ball of faux carpeting yarn pretending to be a country ?
mircea_popescu: "Mocky and the republic is attempting to help Qatar become a real country" <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-03#1869171
mircea_popescu: "Mircea_popescu made the point that, useful people are useful and not useful is useless" ; "Qatar has no sense about opportunity" ; "Bingoboingo provided an update on qntra that, Canada has no bud to sell" this shit is fucking histerical.
mircea_popescu: re the razoring above : http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/#footnote_15_51632 and think about it : creativity ~has to be limited in place~. can't go creative simply wherever one creatively feels the itch ; the whole point of society, the entire justification of eating the otherwise significant costs of even having a society in the first place, is this limitation of creativity to specific plac
ben_vulpes: one of the things dbs are good for is the shared spreadshit and enforcement of only one way of saying things. razoring off places to get creative is a boon to getting shit done.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: What I've mostly been running into is archaeology, three people saying the same thing three different ways.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Also let me know if you have any questions about how the clarifying notes were cut from the listing of customer accounts should you have the time. I would like to kill the idea of a pile of clarifying notes being something every account has and restrict account particular notes to being a rare thing noted for eventually bringing an account into concordance with standards, however they fall.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Let me know if ther is anything I can do to help
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i will let you know if i need more time to finish the august audit by tomorrow eve.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: ty for the update
lobbesbot: ben_vulpes: Sent 3 days, 4 hours, and 59 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> didja find the eggog ? you estimated 'wednesday', and the day is nearly at end..
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mod6, BingoBoingo: the mistake in july's statement is all mine: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/POt9B/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: other people gotta pay for such magic mushrooms. good dough!
a111: Logged on 2018-11-17 23:26 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-bitch-doth-protest-two-woof/ << Trilema - The bitch doth protest two woof.
asciilifeform asciilifeform mined his first coin or so on a much smaller version of same item, back in the olden dayz
asciilifeform: thing will theoretically fit e.g. 'pentium'-weight of gatez.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 00:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'bigendian box' -- i invested in one of them 'asic emulator' mega-fpga thingies, it so happens to come with 2 ppc cores on board, can double as bigendism test system.
asciilifeform: fwiw i've obtained a secondhand http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870822 laboratory instrument ( they're quite rare in aftermarket, typically sold new at outrageous usgtronic prices ) for laters, when The Time Comes.
asciilifeform: hardwarizable ( in the manner discussed by mircea_popescu ) also, as 'phree' side effect of the constant-spacetime. but this is yet embryonic.
asciilifeform: ( amd64, for the curious; i haven't touched arm etc of yet )
asciilifeform: i will add, thing is deliberately shaped in such a way that it could be hand-compiled to relatively uncomplicated asm, on most archs, by a clueful reader. my yet-ungenesis'd parallel attempt at this is somewhat behind the ada, but i expect will be maybe 3000 ln. total in the end.
asciilifeform: ( and tbf it remains to be seen whether i succeeded in this )
asciilifeform: this stuff didn't take ~2y because vodka, but because actually tricky to lay out in the form where user can 'this is my parachute, i packed it'
asciilifeform: folx who grunted through ch.10 the Proper way, with chalkboard, may find some of 12a to be boring. but the exposition was promised, and so written.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-bitch-doth-protest-two-woof/ << Trilema - The bitch doth protest two woof.
jurov: lobbes: the bot dropped (I had a message)
a111: Logged on 2018-11-15 02:13 asciilifeform: !Q later tell ben_vulpes didja find the eggog ? you estimated 'wednesday', and the day is nearly at end..
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872282 << asciilifeform i estimated weds to determine if i had what with to find the error, and followed up later with a gpggram saying i would deliver the errors in the two months in which i found errors.
BingoBoingo: The did have however a couple twink-Kpop looking handlers and blocked the intersection of two major walkways for a photo
mircea_popescu: they all are.
phf: apropos, and i think we had that thread, but best russian translations were always done by actual writers, rather than dedicated translators (though there was a handful of talanted ones)
phf: asciilifeform: i read borges in ru originally, tried in english and barfed. takes some serious writer to put depth into the english language, like how e.g. faulkner did it. something completely lacking in most translations.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-17#1873152 << hm i was recalling having had to mutilate mine to eat postgres -- but it's been 11+y nao since i last touched the thing , so could be entirely off
asciilifeform: of the 20th c folx -- i also liked borges
mircea_popescu: much the fuck better than "Westerns", and evidently cribbed liberally rfor the latter.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 19:15 BingoBoingo: Not in the depth I'd like to
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872991 << i muchly recommend the spanish adventure romances of the medieval period.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-15 02:28 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's what wordpress expects. Otherthings can be forced into place at substantial cost.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-15 02:26 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872279 << currently i know veeery little about mysql ( always used postgres, and at this point know embarrassingly much re the internals and tuning knobs ) -- but iirc mp's-wp requires specifically mysql, so prolly doomed to study it at some point
BingoBoingo: In other news, apparently the U17 Female world cup is in town and the Españolas shop at Tienda Inglesa
asciilifeform: i/o via the 2nd serial port.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-26 02:14 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gnat bugs : apparently ( and this is documented or mentioned nowhere ) : it is impossible to have a Ada.Finalization.Limited_Controlled type ANYWHERE inside a static library, unless it is generic all the way down (i.e. if the lib package is generic, any sub-packages must also be instantiated as generics )
asciilifeform: ( fwiw i consider 2012 mature, and can't picture why i'd want later ones, unless perhaps fixes serious bugs like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-26#1866266 -- and even ~then~ i'd prefer to backport to ave1istic gnat )
asciilifeform: ( in earlier ada they were quite ugly )
asciilifeform: i use preconditions, for instance, and they only work as written with ada2012
asciilifeform: i looked for this wonder, but never found ( and supposing it exists, it is almost certainly the wrong gnat, i want ave1's )
phf: i'd imagine there's gnat as part of djgpp, probably already prebuilt
asciilifeform: ( for nitpickers -- 8bit won't work, you cannot represent the ~length~ of a crypto-useful integer in 8 )
asciilifeform: ( i dun ask that the gnat also ~runs~ under dos, tho that would be 9000x spiffier even . simply ~for~ )
asciilifeform: i'm looking forward to the hero who pulls off a msdos gnat port btw
asciilifeform: so looking to put colour emacs in there or wat
asciilifeform: ( if yer writing even so much as a tetris, even on dos box you needed a bit more than simply fb to do it without 'tearing', you need some way to insta-flip the 'pages' , possibly ioctl ? )
phf: i've been using the asus as kind of netbook, i'm generally pleased with it *not* having x
asciilifeform: if you have a working /dev/fb0 you can theoretically have x tho, neh
phf: i meant the asus, i'm running it without X, but i suspect that pretty much standard way of doing gui on a console is via /dev/fb0. rk eventually will give you similar device if everything else is correct
asciilifeform: ( or maybe was only the 3d gpu that wasnt, i dun recall )
asciilifeform: iirc the display subsystem was never fully reversed yet
phf: ioctl gives you dimensions and bit depth, and then you mmap x*y*bpp/8 worth
asciilifeform: if yer running in kernel, you dun need mmap call, you can simply set the address of your array to be the magic iron addr directly
phf: nah, very explicitly a linuxism "/dev/fb0", which you ioctl for details and then mmap
asciilifeform: ( would specify the iron address, and run as root ?? )
phf: ty, i've been using linux in console mode on my rk, so i wanted to write a framebuffer tooling for ada, using your mmap as blueprint (i'm not sure there's much overlap though..)
a111: Logged on 2018-10-26 02:14 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gnat bugs : apparently ( and this is documented or mentioned nowhere ) : it is impossible to have a Ada.Finalization.Limited_Controlled type ANYWHERE inside a static library, unless it is generic all the way down (i.e. if the lib package is generic, any sub-packages must also be instantiated as generics )
asciilifeform: phf: the early ver that was actually posted is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666647 . however there's a clean/rewritten one, in a 90% state of completion, not yet genesis'd
asciilifeform: 'the bezzle' is prolly as old as all of culture.
asciilifeform: ( and will add, it aint as if today's ameritards are less credulous. simply today better corralled, today's hotel owner will equally idiotically invest in usg bonds, rather than tesla's trunk, is all )
asciilifeform: ( i do not, tbf, know whether this legend is troo, but given the credulous people of the time and the man's talent for self-pr, i can easily buy it )
asciilifeform: there's also the 'is it really ~the~ tapes' aspect. as in the old thing with the gold bars that nobody wants to drill for tungsten. consider for instance how nikola tesla was able to live in the waldorf for years, with the loan collateral being a trunk containing 'great invention of much dangerous power'. when died, turned out to contain a whetstone bridge.
BingoBoingo: Hey, someone could criticize or correct them during the curing. While sitting on the tapes they can dream without confronting anything.
asciilifeform: tlp i suspect has the full dirt re subj. i.e. when you have the trunk, you can carry on thinking yer the 'start of movie', but if sumbody else builds , then somehow 'not star' no moar
asciilifeform: whichever way -- there's apparently a set of people who find it moar satisfying to sit on a trunk of rotting tapes, than to see the idiocy of computing 1990-present cured
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 16:41 mircea_popescu: empire is selling orcs the impression "they're in on a secret"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i suspect there's some http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872899 in the psycho-mix also
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun see much diff b/w the bolix gnomes and the 40 y.o. chix who 'waiting for right man' to pop cherry, as pictured also in mircea_popescu's essays
asciilifeform: except that one doesn't publish for the swine, you publish for the 3 d00dz who actually have with what to make sense.
BingoBoingo: Never mind that unlike dragons, gnomes are too handicaped to bring results liek dragons. "I R gnome, If I sit on gold liek the dragons do Imma be a dragon too"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there's at least a little bit of the healthy dynamic where 'why should i throw the pearls before swine', iirc mircea_popescu expanded on this
asciilifeform: 'pour some mars into the boiling pot of jupiter, and promise not to reveal the seekrit to the profane'
asciilifeform: it's almost like folx revert to the condition of the alchemists when given half a chance.
asciilifeform: gnomism is almost like an infectious disease. i still can't properly fathom the behaviour of all those folx who had the alpha genera cd for decade+ and didn't put on piratebay.
phf: right, because upstream doesn't have it either
asciilifeform: the disk dun include any sores tho, i checked.
phf: well, symbolics macsyma existed for a decade after the dod one. i've tried a few papers from 80s digests, that had macsyma code in them, and they all assumed symbolics and they all refused to run on maxima (because of missing stuff)
asciilifeform: ( btw mircea_popescu , consider the sheer mindfuck, the 1st and still to date greatest mechanical algebratron was not only written in usg nuke establishment, but ~openly published~ -- very diff people in '70s )
asciilifeform: the way i understand it, bolix macsyma was largely a free ride on the public dollar one
asciilifeform: just how much moar was in the bolix ?
asciilifeform: what do you mean? i have the u.s. doe one right here
phf: ivory is basically part of symbolics's digital age, and i don't know of the existence of e.g. somebody's home folder that you just need to but on the right machine, and you can bring up the "rebuild the ivory from first principles" workspace
asciilifeform: waitasec what doc are we then speaking of
phf: oh yeah, i've meditated on this problem (even given that some things, e.g. pal truth tables are available), unfortunately i suspect that ~~everything related to ivory is lost. (possibly the mit guy has a copy, but that's a dead end sealed shut. will have to wait for the estate sale and such)
asciilifeform: ( along with hundreds of PALs and GALs, which ~each~ could take several hrs of probe just to extract the trooftable , plus fucktonne of board track )
asciilifeform: literally erry other ic on the 'ivory 3' board is stock ( save possibly for a GAL or 2 )
asciilifeform: i wouldn't consider ever to put floatism in a new design, but for compat with the vintage soft one would need it ( fortunately unlike 'ivory' the weitek is documented to death, i even have a copy of the datashit from ancient ru stash )
asciilifeform: ( back in the days when cult of 'flops' were going strong... )
asciilifeform: afaik it's the same item
asciilifeform: but much less than the old liquishit
phf: given how sparse the materials are, if you're rebuilding the hardware, you might as well start with CADR instead of 3600
phf: you overestimate the loot :> i have a lot of 3600 shit, but almost nothing on ivory. i have a handful of relevant documents though, that i can needle out
asciilifeform: phf: if the thing is a paper scroll etc, feel free to xerox and post it to my postbox if that's easier than scans
phf: asciilifeform: i'll try to do it this weekend, i also have a backlog of vpatches i need to push. my flight is on the 30th and i'm moving out of my current apartment. so things have been busy
a111: Logged on 2018-11-09 18:51 asciilifeform: !Q phf didja ever get chance to unearth the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862616 item ?
phf: it lives in the "miscellaneous symbols" block (like the other symbols i use for annotation), which has been in unicode since '93. there are more appropriate symbols in higher planes, but they either don't render, or have forced emoji equivalents, or render differently on different systems, etc. etc.
deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2018/11/whos-responsible-for-this/ << The Whet - Who's responsible for this?!
lobbes: amusingly, few weeks ago I was talking with some bums outside of the $work-tower while smoking. They mentioned they had been bumming rides down from W. Virginia, were headed to... Miami! for the winter
BingoBoingo: Now I'm in the opposite geography. Everywhere rural in the country sends their bums here because "there's shelters"
BingoBoingo: Low bum population is a perk of being rural enough the local authorities have to drive the bums 20 miles away to the county lockup
BingoBoingo: The one in my Hometown still mostly functioned as it did when I was young, save the winblows toilets have even less space assigned to them than they did in the past.
asciilifeform: i sometimes still go to the local uni lib, but it too is going down this road
asciilifeform: it's pretty much dead in anglostan too ( they've become bum hangouts, with winblowz public toilets where the b00kz used to be )
BingoBoingo: There is a national library and the different Facultads have libraries, but the general "Public Library" as pushed in Anglostan by Carnegie doesn't seem to exist here
BingoBoingo: Get far enough out and it's the Pichis with the week's dumpster finds unwashed in the saddest streets
BingoBoingo: There's the camera heavy antique street. The kitchenware heave antique street. The book streets. The music cd streets.
BingoBoingo: Well, the market is centered on Tristan Narvaja, but it branches off into themed side streets
BingoBoingo: Like the flea markets back home most of the book tables are clogged with mass market paperbacks and low effort "nonfiction" topic books.
BingoBoingo: There's the oldbook shops and a couple good streets in the feria. Feria is where I found my copy of the Código de Comercio
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do they have libraries over in BingoBoingostan ?
BingoBoingo has to find where the spanish language print warez lives, what I had ben considering 'general purpose' warez dumps are clogged with translations and adaptations
BingoBoingo: Not in the depth I'd like to
BingoBoingo: +1 language means there is now +1 literary canon to attack
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo apparently fan of efr... pick up any of his other items ?
BingoBoingo: Not everything in print can be Popescu's work on the Urban-Rural dispute or Russel's 'Wasp'
asciilifeform: ( about our fyootoor machine, if i live long enuff, rather than z80 )
asciilifeform: but i'd like to write the proper one, lol
asciilifeform: and it was moar about the chipset than z80 per se, now that i revisit it
asciilifeform: ave1: c. d. smith, 'the zx spectrum ula: how to design a microcomputer' btw
ave1: btw the udp code now also runs on aarch64
asciilifeform: how's things otherwise, ave1 ?
asciilifeform: ( iirc i read it as a scan, rather than actual b00k )
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 17:32 asciilifeform: ( i actually have a b00k by orig designer of z80, where he actually walks through the die, transistor by transistor, as if it were picasso )
ave1: asciilifeform, Do you have a title or reference for this book? http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872937 (So far I found Masatoshi Shima as the principal designer, but no book by him yet...)
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 15:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hence http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/
asciilifeform: oh it was in old times, i did not have external screen then
mircea_popescu: chokes on 1080 / stupid formats, but otherwise will even do mkv
mircea_popescu: yup. what it does. the vertical cable goes to suspended screen
asciilifeform still has 1 of these
asciilifeform: even a coupla from after they turned sad
asciilifeform: ( i actually have a b00k by orig designer of z80, where he actually walks through the die, transistor by transistor, as if it were picasso )
mircea_popescu believes "handmade" and "art" to be unrelated ; one can have industrial art (such as, eminently, the z80, and such as very much NOT warhola's crapolade)
mircea_popescu: this piece, evidently industrially made ; but i do not regret it, for it has all the advantages that promises (uniformity, solidity, etc). handmade is pretty but fragile, nothing wrong with it but diff class.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you may find it interesting that there's a shop selling items like that thing on ~erry street where i live. and some are quite elaborate, over a metre tall, and clearly hand-made, very ornate. possibly the last major handicraft remaining in this here orcistan.
mircea_popescu: through yet another pipe.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the item is quiote well made. so smoke goes from slider into side of conical shape, towards top. bottom of this conical shape has dozen+ round cylinders which let out into the bottom bowl. this bottom bowl is sealed off from the suction tube atop on the direct path ; the only respondency is through the four bubbles, which have a low and a high feeder and let out smoke into the top suction tube
asciilifeform: i was speaking of the glass thing
mircea_popescu: the first lol
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It works as described by mircea_popescu in the blog
BingoBoingo: They provide more paths for the smoke to percolate through the water so it is easier to pull the smoke deep into the lungs
asciilifeform: ( decorative ? or they have a mechanical function ? )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what are the oddball protrusions for ?
asciilifeform: ( they -- also in same gift )
asciilifeform: i see it erry spring when i go to the sakuras
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/unicorn-4.jpg << lol there's a 'valve' like that in washington also ( iirc gift from jp in 1930s! )
BingoBoingo: Anyways Dick Cheney can't assume he's not going to be arrested if he goes to certain other countries either.
mircea_popescu: the latter.
BingoBoingo: Orc's like paperwork, pageantry, and the impression they are in on a seekrit. All they gotta do is put a gold foil stamp on an envelope containing 'seekrit identity' of Mr Pseudonym and they are prolly riding 90% orc compliance rate.
asciilifeform: 'by order of her majesty clitler, this here mr winston smith is to be delivered to tower and held at the queen's pleasure' etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: evidently the paper can be whatever they like, if rng-generated names are apparently ok nao
BingoBoingo: Well, it's paperwork to present to whatever orcs pop up along the way
asciilifeform: also i dunget what is the point of 'seekrit charges' etc. already pretty clear that if d00d ever ends up in reich he'll be rolled in bear cage to the national square where drawn and quartered, what 'charges'
Mocky: before leaving for qatar I sold your 2 coins and then my own coin.
mircea_popescu: this now begs the questrion whether if i send my valkiries they would somehow manifest liquidity. god knows i had no problem dealing as much as i wanted in buenos aires. nor here. nor apparently anywhere (except when it comes to wiring to bb, which is becoming the lulz of all time, somehow)
BingoBoingo: (Provided you didn't eat the 500 USD of liquidity too recently)
asciilifeform: ( invites the q, of where, exactly, is 'rich' )
a111: Logged on 2018-11-13 19:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't understand how useless the anglos are. do you know that in ALL OF CHICAGO 100% of the "bitcoin market" consists of this one inept fed ?
Mocky: I went through all the people in person I could find
mircea_popescu: were you trying to not meet people in person or what the fuck was the thinking anyway.
mircea_popescu: could have told you not to do that then.
mircea_popescu: Mocky yeah, back to back like that not really promoting sanity. and besides, all the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-10#1870721 stil lleft to do.
asciilifeform: banks died as a rational concept, we're sorta back to the old days of buried treasure as storage
Mocky: i would have been ok too, I moved the money. wouldn't have cried over a burned bank acct. but after a month I thought I was good
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: loox like ameri-banks are an item exactly like gox nao, 'keep there only what you can afford to lose' ( but i suppose this aint news )
Mocky: I sold my coin for bank-transferolade and I thought I had mitigated the risk but 2 months later transfers got reversed
Mocky: so anyway, i would totally do burma. but I have such a mess here of my own making that I couldn't even afford to feed myself burmese rice while there, much less lodging. So what then, go completely on mircea_popescu's dime? is that really desirable?
asciilifeform: ( even if it is 'custom' in the sense of being a write-once rom . these, too , saleable, i'd buy a whole crate right nao if anybody were selling )
asciilifeform: as for 'resist', the only sense in which it does is that the scheme has very little (tho not zero) reward for custom irons, any storage device that is good for 'proof of blox-on-disk' is also a good general-purpose random access store, and is saleable commodity
asciilifeform: the ballast could just as readily be FG output, but i like this variant much moar ( and it removes the suspicion that 'they used prng and can trot out the seekrit formula and save 200GB of space in their seekrit miner' etc )
asciilifeform: this way the miner immediately needs 200GB of random access, to play.
asciilifeform: btw i was going through my ffa notebooks and found a margin note that was actually about this, that prolly oughta go in the l0gz : if yer 'pow' is a walk-through-storage, 1 problem is that initial state of the system gives too little material to walk. so 1 interesting answer might be to include a 'ballast', consisting of, say, the first 9 yrs of classical btc blox, 1...N, that is part of the luby'd set (as raw bytes, rather than as m
asciilifeform: recall, with the luby(3 blox) thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, tho i was extending the chain of the thread we had re that piece in '17
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hence http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/
asciilifeform: the part where it wins is that it actually forces folx to store the blox, rather than 'resist' anyffing.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 14:32 mircea_popescu: and "disk" is no solution, china owns indonesia notwithstanding hilarity posturing to the contrary.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872802 << 'proof of disk' is 'solution' in the sense that the amt of disk required grows 4evah ( just as what we have now in trad btc, except that shitoshi did not see it fit to include block-walks in mining eqn ) . granted it doesn't magic away the 'only asia' thing, nuffin could, as mircea_popescu pointed out in the horse example. may very well transform 'chinese monopoly' to 'korean'
Mocky: my opinion changed about asians. I chatted with a bunch of actually cute asians. and it wasn't even like, "weeks in this female wasteland and now asians are starting to look good." That was the africans.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 14:20 mircea_popescu: so all the mathematicians who prove negatives, such as "there's no circle with square corners" are ultimately failures at mathematicing ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872781 << imho 'no can haz' proofs are the single most valuable type of result in all of mathematics. they remove (for sane folx, at least, there ~are~ still circle-squarers walking around) dead ends from consideration, save much brain juice for other things that actually yield
Mocky: not really that often but I was expecting qataris to express a higher level of indignation at foreigners flouting their strict conduct rules. but in actuality not even possible to achieve eye contact
mircea_popescu: oh, you have that in the us huh ?
Mocky: one beautiful thing I notices was that old busy bodies can't even give you a dirty look when their face has to be covered.