trinque: I'll need to read up on how DNS resolution works in musl to recommend something strongly, but might be as simple as having it read a second hosts file. I don't know of any support for including one hosts file in another in either musl or glibc.
mircea_popescu: is # acceptable comment inline ? should there be a manifest also ?
mircea_popescu: do you see any merit in dedicated ports for instance ? or just maintain the necessary files on something like diana_coman 's code shelf ?
mircea_popescu: trinque word. let's talk about the mechanics a little, how would this be aquired ?
mircea_popescu: and indeed the best part of post-thanksgiving, leftovers. shrimp in heavily wasabi'd soy sauce + green beans in heavily garlic'd tzatzichi... top tier breakfast.
mircea_popescu: LordMPofTMSR "Not even kidding." Queenjuju 21F Kinkster "Drop what now? It wont show me the rest of the sentence" LordMPofTMSR "Think of it as an intelligence test. That you're failing." Queenjuju "Fuck you" LordMPofTMSR "Lmao. What, nobody told you you're an idiot before ? Sucks, because you still are, whether they tell you or not."
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the "running into mp on fetlife first 20something moron girly's formative experience, literally NEVER encountered negative reinforcement before in whole lyf" files,
mircea_popescu: hanbot hey, where's the "gpg guide for windows tards" ? i thought we had this on eulora wiki somewhere but drawing blanks.
mircea_popescu: trinque if i sign a genesis for republican dns, specifically, "here's ips and domain names, one set per line, that my lordship recognizes", are you willing to replace dns resolution in cuntoo with pressing that tree (according to the users' key dir, of course) ?
trinque: this linux namespaces thing is probably just more unnecessary complexity, but being able to forbid a process-and-children from using the network stack is nb.jpg for testing cuntoo build
BingoBoingo: When the local paper publishes interviews telling local people (for the most part) how they fail: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/-los-uruguayos-en-el-exterior-trabajan-perfecto-y-cuando-vuelven-se-achanchan-montevideo-es-como-una-kryptonita--2018112320421
deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2018/11/chimichurri-and-the-meaning-of-life/ << The Whet - Chimichurri and the Meaning of Life
phf: diana_coman: i've updated eucrypt, smg-comms to the latest, and added "v" for v.pl
phf: asciilifeform: a downside to your renaming the patches is that it breaks all the old btcbase links. e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis is now http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis.kv even though the content is the same
mircea_popescu: so, playing scrabble here. which, in spanish, needless to say nobody's native language, but nevertheless zullas crosses on the z with zumos. i mean... i doubt native fucking speakers are on this level of highly polished, top hat literary scrabble play.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-23#1874309 << "At 5.1 the public exponent e of the client's RSA key is fixed as an int64". first bit set, too, so 8 bytes.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-01#1868250 << ~one month~ remittance, as the earliest ? fugger had it better for fuck's sake, "the world" has fallen below 1600s civilisational level
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, can you believe what an adventure this has been lmao.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_modem> or banking that nobody can be arsed? or how. << Likely banking on that, no one with a subscription bothering
a111: Logged on 2018-11-22 22:00 mircea_popescu: the data is structured anyway for the program, there's no absolute requirement to ship it with storage adnotations.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-22 21:57 mircea_popescu: in other related matters : i'm authorizing her to add a patch on s.mg crypto lib, to permit arbitrary size e. i recall the threads at the time, but there's a ~really~ good reason to do it : we don't want to pass back and forth kbs worth of exponents. udp packets are small, and there's all the complicated matchwork of sizes meeting keys etc.
ascii_modem: no one can diff before/after their back catalogue ??
ascii_modem: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-23#1874264 << i'm curious how the fuq this is even possible
BingoBoingo: And for the update on standoff in Goes... Dude sent "threats" to the Argentine and British embassies: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/amenazas-a-embajada-y-a-familia-de-bonomi-con-megaoperativo-en-goes-20181123135952
BingoBoingo: Mocky: ty for the update
mircea_popescu: (really should NOT "dns request" for mpex servers plox. or ~anything, really, but these especially. hosts file costs you nothing folks, wake up to this already. usg.dns costs you not merely your own life, but everyone else's along with it, as well as the very possibility of a world worth living)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz : https://cdn.weasyl.com/static/media/69/f8/37/69f837a7167e92fc00820c5c732c92b02408c64c94263e9453b01d1a21d7f10e.png (tarfe being an alternate spelling of ro "tirfe", meaning "[cheap/resilient] whores".
a111: Logged on 2018-11-23 17:05 diana_coman: when I say I can't comment I mean it barfs with "incorrect captcha" while the captcha thing says it's shut down so no word to enter
a111: Logged on 2018-11-23 01:19 BingoBoingo: Maybe a gossling would be the step up, but when it's a 10 kg goose likely to die at your hand for insufficient adorability to aggress in the manner of geese
mircea_popescu: so now one day at the beach, when left behind with a girl because its mistress had... well, was busy ok, it wouldn't even eat the most delicious tp! NOT SAFE TO EAT TREATS WITHOUT BELOVED MISTRESS!
mircea_popescu: for incomprehensible reasons, chimichurri ~loves~ toilet paper. it'll stuff its craw with the stuff, if you hold a square up for it, shred it and pack it like there's no tomorrow. (and then its squeak changes, too, cuz obviously that thing dries out its liquids lmao). so now and again friendly folk might offer it a square. (gotta be the right, fluffy stuff i use tho).
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-23#1874262 << yeah. for one thing, they attach ~something fierce~. possibly the most attachment-inclined living thing.
diana_coman: when I say I can't comment I mean it barfs with "incorrect captcha" while the captcha thing says it's shut down so no word to enter
BingoBoingo: Maybe a gossling would be the step up, but when it's a 10 kg goose likely to die at your hand for insufficient adorability to aggress in the manner of geese
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "oh, these big ducks, fixing me the best worm yet!!" << Nice predator instincts
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 00:27 mircea_popescu: who THE FUCK thought it's ok for the fs to not take arbitrary indices, like, ever, in the whole thirty seconds history of sitting-here-quietly-and-thinking-abnout-computers as it stretches from 1971 onwards.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, to continue the related thread of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872694 -- what is the difference between ./a/b/file.txt and /ab/file.txt ? RIGHT ?
mircea_popescu: of course, no paths means there's a 16k limit or so on files or w/e nonsense it was ...
mircea_popescu: the data is structured anyway for the program, there's no absolute requirement to ship it with storage adnotations.
diana_coman: I can certainly see the temptation; I'd say there is still time to chew on this, as it's not yet burning
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, fixed-length strings get rid of all sorts of ugh pretty much everywhere; this being said, I can't quite tell what we need as filenames and recall that they include the path - I think that's the main reason why it will still be variable
mircea_popescu: in other related matters : i'm authorizing her to add a patch on s.mg crypto lib, to permit arbitrary size e. i recall the threads at the time, but there's a ~really~ good reason to do it : we don't want to pass back and forth kbs worth of exponents. udp packets are small, and there's all the complicated matchwork of sizes meeting keys etc.
mircea_popescu: re http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/22/smg-comms-chapter-9-files-transfers-and-requests/#selection-41.799-41.846 diana_coman you know we ~could~ do this. "all filenames are 32 characters long followed by a dot and 3 character extension". what's to keep us, filenames only exist as server declares them anyway.
mircea_popescu: it seems to think the whole hullaballoo was for it!
diana_coman: awww, did the duckling see it?
phf: going through the backlog of snarfs right now
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Anyways this agent better now mess up my power now that the chorizo, onions, etc are browning for the stuffing
BingoBoingo: I expect to get a letter in the mail next week about the outage getting rescheduled por el calor
BingoBoingo: And the power at the habitation unit did not go out, but the kiosk on this block dutifully cut their own power at the breakers
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform proofreading the quite elephantine ch. 12B
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 17:43 mircea_popescu: now as to new extensions... imo bad idea. there's manifests and things now.
mod6: Thanks for the info asciilifeform. For now, I've just named them the same as the original ones, for testing here on my own. Was able to press with `vk.pl` successfully, and build a trb from that pressed keccak vtree.
asciilifeform: mod6: mircea_popescu specifically didn't want to change the file ext. ( but only barfed lightly when asciilifeform proclaimed 'i'ma make mine foo.kv.vpatch cuz i have 90000 private vpatches in old form' )
BingoBoingo: In local news: McDonald's second best place to work per the paper of record https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/-cuales-son-los-mejores-lugares-para-trabajar-en-uruguay--20181120134523
mod6: (I made a trb keccak tree over here, just about to test it out. So far, that was my only question. Once done testing and things, will bake blog posts about diana_coman's vk.pl and the grinding of the keccak vtree.)
mod6: Hi, was it decided that we would change vpatch names to have the word 'keccak' in them? Or simply keep the same as before?
asciilifeform: 'The company's lone violation is for an April 2017 accident in which an employee lost the tips of two fingers, resulting in a $750 fine.' << if troo, this is cleaner record than most auto repair shops, i suspect
asciilifeform: ( and while we're in 'gate voltages', imho 'worry' is exactly like parasitic oscillation -- whether in electrical machine or the vibration that slowly destroys a sad washing machine )
asciilifeform: it's supposed to be gate voltage, yes. i.e. narrow down the phase space of possible meaning
mircea_popescu: we use it by defining arbitrary "gate voltages" if you will, of "something-vs-nothing", but these are cultural, contextual and personal.
asciilifeform: rather than rng hiss
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presuming we're talking about an actual critter rather than eliza, can then assume that if it put down words, then meant ~sumthing~ ?
asciilifeform: but in orcistan i dunno what'd be the point
diana_coman: I'm scratching my head more at the "how I was surviving without a smart phone and much longer could I live like this." + notebook maps etc but I suppose I'm essentially already too old to fully grasp the phone attachment thing
asciilifeform: in the end ragnarok anyway, yggdrasil topples, serpent nidhogg will eat world. why worry.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "Press Space to pause time."
BingoBoingo: Which just about eliminates the possibility of actual turkey tomorrow (all locally available are US style giants, frozen god only knows when)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: plz post the exact announced outage time asap << FTR the planned outage time is approximadamente entre 9 y 13
trinque: asciilifeform: makes me think I gotta learn russian just for the jokes
BingoBoingo: I thought block would imply residential, but rereading after the panic
a111: Logged on 2015-11-18 14:54 asciilifeform: shinohai: 'i heard that ivan won a car in the lotto.' 'yes! but not ivan but piotr, not a car but an overcoat, not in lotto but at cards, and not won but lost'
BingoBoingo: Yeah, apologies for the lack of context
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform mircea_popescu: Power outage is not for the rack
trinque: the ebuild porting story is downright comfortable.
trinque: since its set up to have classical gentoo portage as "just another repo" I haven't had a single problem with building things that aren't yet vpatch-ebuilds
trinque: just need to make an ebuild of phf's latest, haven't done that yet, and to see what deps it will require in the genesis.
trinque: I'm running one of my primary work boxes on cuntoo atm, working great. I'm going to try to cut a release during the holiday.
trinque: asciilifeform: not stuck, swapped onto wallet work for a bit. improved the deposit handling and swept a bunch of small outputs.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo definitely gotta be there.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plz post the exact announced outage time asap
asciilifeform has a box ready for beta cuntoo any day of the week
trinque: I guess next time I'm wrestling the portage snake at 11pm I'll say "at least spyked is enjoying himself"
a111: Logged on 2018-11-04 21:41 deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/07f-bucharest-ii.html << The Tar Pit - Bucharest, part zwei: Herstru, Cotroceni
asciilifeform: trinque: spyked seems to be on a multi-month 'see the world' thing, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-04#1869254
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how long outage ? and can you arrange to be there when it happens ?
BingoBoingo: In other lolz, I got a phone call warning me of planned power outage for my block tomorrow
trinque: diana_coman: you want these aimed at you in pm?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 14:58 spyked: but I will rebase the rss bot on top of this afterwards and I'll ping you right before I bring rss in-chan.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-30#1819758 << once there was a guy who was gonna take this over.
mircea_popescu: would rather go with loggers or something
a111: Logged on 2018-04-24 02:10 trinque: the !!subscribe lever is detached, yes, since it used to run back to a pretty sad pile of duct tape.
mircea_popescu: btw, do you have the rss feed for that article via deedbot ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 23:16 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1867924 << ikr, multi-upload has been on the wishlist for mp-wp ever since... hey hanbot how long's it been now ?
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1868072 << meanwhile i have a prototype that lets user upload multiple pix at a time in the sense that there are N boxes with 'browse' button hooked to a single 'upload' click. question is, if this is even a reasonable way to do it, what should N be?
asciilifeform realized that he's gonna need a constant-time keccak for the final chapters, dun have 1 yet
asciilifeform: trinque: i dun have any complaints about the firmness of sitters in the chair. even an indestructible , firmly in-the-black pizarro dun mean that 'put ALL boxes in 1 rack' is good idea, imho
trinque: for now I'm using the ability to rapidly redeploy this thing (and hosting the most important parts elsewhere) to deal with the shitty landscape
trinque: asciilifeform: eh, give me stable management of pizarro how bout, and I'll sit down more firmly on the chair
trinque: the idiots got back to me and said "hypervisor was misconfigured". I bet it was!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo so next time ask! << Short fat socially awkward african from Sudan, at the time I figured he didn't have social captial outside of whatever feifdom his father carved
asciilifeform cannot help but picture a 'whiskeria' as 1 of those cafes where you rent cats by the hour...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In BingoBoingostan they hang out at the bus stops and the Whiskerias. They also have a few competing online ad deals trying to be the PedidosYa of hooking
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun recall, didja ever detail how hookers work in BingoBoingostan ? ( when i was in buenos aires, there were paper spams plastered over erry surface , dumpsters, gates, etc. with ads for supposed hooker . but in BingoBoingo did not notice any such thing )
BingoBoingo: Maybe he wasn't used to the hookers being as coy as they are here? He never got specific
BingoBoingo: Back in the hostel days I did meet one fellow from Sudan, before he left he made his dislike of the Montevideo nightlife known
asciilifeform: 'national unity', supposing it lived , rather than work of unimaginative fiction, can reg a key and speak here like errybody else.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's spam. you can tell because it shows up on abandoned "blogs" that've meanwhile been added to the spamchurn etc.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm having trouble telling if Spam (my email filter is rather convinced) or earnest solicitation
mircea_popescu: myeah. at least the local lindora morons have the excuse that well, their "office job" being call center for us corps...
diana_coman: onth it makes easier to avoid the mess since it's all at one time, can't quite complain
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol! sudan is the new nigeria or wat
diana_coman: sure, not asked; the point was that there was someone to coordinate/think that so it got done; now there isn't, they do what they want rite, so...it's not done
a111: Logged on 2015-07-12 05:19 assbot: End in sight for Google, Apple, Intel and Adobe wage-fixing lawsuit • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7gXQV )
asciilifeform: ( somehow the http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-12#1198305 thing is a-ok, 'unprincipled exception' or what was it called )
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, aha; and I wouldn't be surprised if clasa muncitoare resented them for it
mircea_popescu: cuz the guys in question sat for a drink
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you know, even in commie time, they had more sense than this latino same hour idiocy. i distinctly recall various large factory bosses in cluj agreeing how to interleave their hours so as to not jampack the conveyances
asciilifeform: diana_coman: here, too, they tend to have it around clusters of 'worker' (office plankton) anthills , esp. the kind with underground garages and lengthy queues to get in/out
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The Spanish girl athletes were odd. Ass deficient and giant calves
a111: Logged on 2018-11-17 18:55 BingoBoingo: In other news, I am pretty sure I saw the U-17 North Korean team in the Shopping today
a111: Logged on 2018-11-17 00:28 BingoBoingo: In other news, apparently the U17 Female world cup is in town and the Españolas shop at Tienda Inglesa
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I finally saw proper gridlock last year on the outskirts of Bucharest because 1. former village is now colony of office drones so gotta get to/from work at same time 2. "road" was still former village ulita pretty much 3. they were also ..."working" aka half of it was blocked anyway
mircea_popescu: basketball even ok girl sport. gotta make the bitches jump, what's so hard about the concept ? it's the ass, stupid.
BingoBoingo: Anyways they have basketball here, but it plays second fiddle to soccer because no tall afrodescendientes here
asciilifeform: i.e. ohnoez, they might mandate the minimal standard of jurisprudence given in 'malleus maleficarum'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: speaking of which, local uni fishwrap ( of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-04#1857886 'fame' ) is all on fire with whine re trump, supposedly, threatening to enforce 'frat d00dz accused of 'rape' must get to cross-examine accuser' as condition of the usg funding of nobody-wants-to-watch gurl sports (apparently they're 100% usg-sponsored)
mircea_popescu: right, cuz femorons gotta sit in the basement and listen to mommy.
mircea_popescu: moar jumping. no volleyball where these ppl live ?
asciilifeform: ( as there was not in su, outside of 'brezhnev is driving and taking up five streets' days in moscow )
mircea_popescu: i dunno, haven't been in a long time. was never much of a problem historically, but then again back then only cool people had cars anyway
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i am willing to swear no traffic systems work as intended in any orcistan. << Walking back from the place where rent is paid, there was ancient looking sad bus with police escort. Another U-17 female soccer team. First bus I have seen with police escort.
asciilifeform: incidentally where in ro does one have to go to see gridlock ? i did not see in either timis or bucharest
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( if BingoBoingo determines 'we need 4 dulap-class boxes by feb', asciilifeform will obtain, fly'em in, etc ) << I suspect more hardware is part of the solution. The Mocky mission to Qatar was a disappointment in the orc non-responsiveness.
asciilifeform: you cannot buy from shanghai ~working system~, matched to the actual terrain
asciilifeform: there's a reason i picked traffic light as example -- yes you can buy replacement parts from chinese, but to keep traffic actually moving requires at least 1 d00d in a cellar somewhere with an elementary understanding of impedance , graduated from diff eq kindergarten, etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they work until replaced. they're not "kept working" anymore than the earth's "kept rotating". guess what -- once it stops rotating there'll be a new set of gnats and motes. there's no "keeping", "fixing" etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but the problem here isn't even "write software", which even ALLOWS for something like an ooda coupling. the idea here is to somehow magic trends and events, splice them together into resonant actionables ?!
asciilifeform: and it aint the 'ninxxx's
asciilifeform: take the slightly moar advanced in the decay , argentine monkeys. i went there , and saw that e.g. traffic lights, worked. ~somebody~ keeps'em working, neh
mircea_popescu: how ? how is this miracle supposed to occur ? random girl that lacks the werewithal to skip past "oh, how would any girl do that" into the "wow, apparently this guy actually has had this occur before ?", by the act of being hired by who ? goldman sachs ? magically becomes so finely intelligent she can somehow distil things i don't see into effectual "oscillators" ?! then how the fuck did things like http://trilema.com/2012/la
asciilifeform: ( this being said, there ~is~ a population of folx who were built before 'soul warehouse ran out of souls' and they're working ~somewhere~ )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can only speak what of what i personally witnessed , but presently in the 'software' arm of reich you gotta march in half a regiment or moar, to hire 1 platoon of folx who can 'hello world'
mircea_popescu: literally, lacking the intellectual sophistication to a) put together items GIVEN TOGETHER ; or else b) realise their tools are broken to this degree.
mircea_popescu: you want "magical goldman sachs" to "resonant frequency" a system of the complexity of tmsr ; and then these people go hiring, and the hiring pool has SERIOUS TROUBLE going past banal "oh, would any girl do that keks"
asciilifeform: sorta what the heathen 'industry' specializes in, neh -- to convince erry http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-20#1873877 amoeba that she has a working microphone and 'audience'
mircea_popescu: k there...
mircea_popescu: i tend to diagnose this by simple measures such as "well, i published x and y, and then 0.k% of sample is aware of both x and y" sorta thing. vast majority of "linkiedin contacts" of miss piggy have yet to see miss piggy article, vast majority of other side have yet to conceptualize "oh, what do you mean OUT IN THE OPEN", and then there's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-18#1873320 stuff, with all the pics sitting right the fuc
mircea_popescu: no, basically what's going on is that "EVERYONE!!! has read this vice article me and two other girls read (of which one wrote it)". there's this expectation of exposure that is entirely unsustained in practice.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i doubt 22 yo fetlife moron has the werewithal to reference anything that happened last week, let alone years ago.
mircea_popescu: in deeply unrelated lulz, "masochisticslut1 22F sub 8m 1. stop sending the same message to multiple girls. youre being blasted on social media by someone else." << can you believe this shit, whereby "social media" is so opaque, this "blasting" can actually NOT BE FOUND, i mean at all, even if specifically looking for it ?
asciilifeform: ( BingoBoingo : you do recall that yer the pizarro.fuhrer nao ! how are we doing re sealing that roof ?? )
mircea_popescu: this for the practical. the theoretical still stands as well : bitcoin valuation in any other currency will fluctuate, because new cunts come out of the skirts every day and they have to be sorted somehow.
mircea_popescu: certainly not instantaneous. for that matter, no propagation is proven at all or anything. but rather than "mysterious alien forces", how about you know... "in 2017 we hadn't started building a house which meanwhile we did build, leaky roof y compris"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if this is how it worx, then evidently it's 2pi radian out of phase ( i.e. peak was when republic was at its lowest )
mircea_popescu: it's the currency of the republic, you're so surprises it follows the flow and ebb of the very republic in question ?
asciilifeform: ( although, physical-object engineering does offer a ~treatment~, if not cure -- when folx build bridges, they put in dampeners so the thing has a shot at dumping energy even if ends up 'pumped' )
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, there's both practical and theoretical views trhat are both more parcimonious and do not need it.
asciilifeform: ( and no, i dun have a cure to offer if indeed it is so, it seems to come with thermodynamics and any proposed 'cure' is likely to kill the eater like qin shihuangdi's mercury pills killed him )
mircea_popescu: "singing" in this manner isn't nearly trivial, which is why say dogs don't do it. dogs do all sorts of things, but understanding glass as a system to the degree needed here is rather tall a fence.
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem the case to me, but hey.
asciilifeform: my q was , whether btc/orcbux have formed such a system; and if so, whether sumbody's 'singing' into it
asciilifeform: if 'a' and 'b' are in a 'trench warfare' situation where neither has decisive advantage and can slaughter the other, their interaction will form dynamic system, and oscillate ( as the wolf and the hare taught in diff eq kindergarten )
mircea_popescu: for the ~same money you could say "bitcoin is realligning to its true value driven by systematic failure of tmsr.
asciilifeform: my picture was slightly different tho : consider how you can break a pane of glass with a few joules , that normally would not even be felt on other side, if pumped into it with minimal impedance mismatch (i.e. on resonant phase). as in the famous opera singer trick.
mircea_popescu: and this is a necessary premise of your theory, so i'm not introducing anything here.
asciilifeform: which element of observed system corresponds to 'bumper crop' of the model ?
mircea_popescu: do you see how the only outcome of this is B expanding its borders into A ?
mircea_popescu: so at the coming time, they declare they shall trade a for b at the specified ratio. and B had a bumper crop, and so B buys a lotta a.
mircea_popescu: suppose now that for whatever reason, A.dorks decided "they will know in advance" "when a/b ratio is high and when a/b is low.
asciilifeform: that's my whole trouble, i am thinking of it in strictly gametheoretical terms, and it currently seems to me that a sufficiently large holder can inject oscillations into the system which he can then ride.
mircea_popescu: suppose there's two countries, A and B. suppose they have their repsective currencies, a and b. obviously through trade there's at all points going to be some b in A and some a in B.
mircea_popescu: no mata haris, fine, sure. think of it in game theoretic terms, if you will ?
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu says 'natural fluctuation, aint enriching goldman sachs, they do not in fact know exactly when the year's peak and trough will be in advance' then i'ma have to believe , i dun have mata haris to send to find out
asciilifeform: my q was whether usg has managed to re-create 'the printing press', or reasonable emulation thereof, via controlled waterfall .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the question still stands. it stands ubiquitously and universally, too. your elder slavegirl brings in a maid, http://trilema.com/2016/just-call-me-annah/ style. what now ? who's on top and when and why and so on.
mircea_popescu: in fact, one of the principal signals of a dead (ie, divorced from reality) monetary system is...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: given as you read my http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 ( and then invited asciilifeform to party consequently ) you prolly know that asciilifeform is not fixated on magic 'fair'
mircea_popescu: the equivalent would be a forum in which the shinohais, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-18#1873354 shined forever.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-18 17:25 echelon: nanotube and theymos?
mircea_popescu: even without those, there'd still have to be drops. it's just unsanitary not to.
asciilifeform: i dun have a perpetuum mobile in my pocket, 'here's how'. simply pointing out that ( as mircea_popescu wrote on his www looong before i tuned in ) 'tard with gigantic bag of dough can wreck whole planets' , and that today this role is played by usg rather than gaggle of free range forumtards
mircea_popescu: or of the "it's unfair that guy is a lord just because he read the call back when i wasn't born yet". or however you turn it, it's the same fucking thing.
mircea_popescu: now, consider that the ~only problem of human society is the resolution of the http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#comment-122811 dispute ; or if you prefer the "this is old and therfore good / this is new and therefore better" dilemma.
asciilifeform: soo the fact that btc/usd would fall 3.5x from dec '17 to today, was not seekrit ?! or contention is that it wasn't product or waterfall ..? which ?
mircea_popescu: hey, venerable sexuate reproduction worked well for all these years. every fifteen year old has a "secret" to share that's as unsecret as unsecrets can ever be.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 18:46 BingoBoingo: Well, they gotta let the price run up again before they waterfall for increasingly disappointing crashes a couple more times at least.
asciilifeform: the imho misfortunate bit, is that for so long as they can http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782156 the waterfall, they actually ~have~ what to 'pssst, tell ya a valuable seekrit' to favoured orcs
mircea_popescu: does it carry teh burning of girly lips, "return to the blue lagoon" style ?
asciilifeform: evidently their extraction engine ~does~ work, or waterfall would have long ago dried
mircea_popescu: going by http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871541 : is this also known, in "russian from odessa" bestiary, the thing where teenaged girl looking to mate "wants to tell you a secret" ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 16:41 mircea_popescu: empire is selling orcs the impression "they're in on a secret"
mircea_popescu: and the bitcoin present value of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872899 & periphenalia is about there.
asciilifeform: future is function of the present tho
asciilifeform: future, i gather
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whatever happend to 'they belong in the lime pit' . why 'thousand or two', their correct share is imho 0
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: per http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1446 / http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-sociology/ , cluckers -- go to soup, in all times an' places, but while there are cluckers , farmer eats well
mircea_popescu: hey, a thousand or two is exactly what usg should have, based on its situation in the world, truthful general importance and so on.
asciilifeform: who somehow still have btc, into trading it for shitcoins. this last one seems to be the current flagship algo. working, as i understand, surprisingly well, monerism, etc
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 14:31 mircea_popescu: for as long as only slanty eyes has horses, all horse races however drafted will have their fucking horses winning.
asciilifeform: my (admittedly nonexpert, i dun have a stable of mata haris to actually infiltrate the fuhrerbunker) model , is that reich has exactly 3 ways of getting hands on coin : 1 ) to mine ( not working so well, on acct of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872801 ) ; 2) to whack somebody over the head an' take their keyz. also not doing so hot, e.g. http://qntra.net/2018/11/usms-lists-approximately-660-bitcoins-for-sale/ ; 3 ) to con idjits
mircea_popescu: by now it's mostly a sort of "dao without mp's splooge up ass" "but dorks... it has it on the face." "only asshole counts now!"
asciilifeform: ah is this the 'we want Just Like Btc but Magically Nonvolatile' people ?
mircea_popescu: self-proclaimed "independent minds"/fuckwads GOTTA be hurt. that's what their life is about and for, "options". can't simply submit and worship bitcoin cock.
asciilifeform: at least the 'monero' crackpot folx have some nominal chump lure ( the ring signature song an' dance ) . but 'ripple' i have genuinely nfi who would deal in, other than eliza
asciilifeform: prolly 'lazy-evaluated', if mircea_popescu were to show up with a train load , they'll print with what to buy
asciilifeform: ( recall the bt'cash' experiment... )
asciilifeform: the 1 probe i can think of would be to try selling a bit of it an' see if it's bought; but i haven't any idea why to bother ( and would have to get some to sell in the 1st place )
mircea_popescu: happened fucking twice, what, unless i package it in lolcats it can stare right there from the graph, eliza dun see naught ?
mircea_popescu: takes a minute to knock it in the head to match bitcoin. the relative weights are in excess of 1mn to 1, and yet some idiots somewhere still think ripple's worth more than a used car ?!
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, all the morons still buying into the "ripple" wash trade ? srlsly ? ripple is worth something, really ? even after this week ?
mircea_popescu: the funniest bit being, that the above construction is exactly what teh robohitler's notion of luxury line anti-trilema would look like.
asciilifeform: ( n00bs would perhaps be sent there, and only those who graduate given to know of the actual #trilema ... )
asciilifeform: iirc i suggested this lul yrs prior, but would be hilarious if there were a parallel #trilema consisting simply of bots, 1 for each of us, fed with corpus of log lines + shannonizer
mircea_popescu: i shall now carry the entirety of this conversation in trilema titles.
asciilifeform: and even nao that we have a 'the net' that consists to five-nines % of elizas and meat-elizas, even now one will still find the story in schoolbooks as 'great advance of ai' rather than 'great fathom of the sheer depth of meat puppet idjicy'
asciilifeform: the eliza thing, in particular the behaviour of the secretute who was given a whirl at the terminal, was 1 of those 'great advance warnings' of tech, sorta like edison's electrocuted drunk
mircea_popescu: those were the days
asciilifeform: 'Later, in 1971, Colby, Weber and Hilf developed PARRY, another chatbot, but this time was a paranoid schizophrenic made to chat with ELIZA. So they hooked up at ARPANET (pre-Internet) and put them to chat together. ' etc
asciilifeform: them.
asciilifeform: tbf a buncha them sound just like.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the #girlscode farms, LordMPofTMSR 3w "Not even kidding." LonelyBunneh 1h "Hi" LordMPofTMSR 6m "Aha ?" LonelyBunneh 5m "What" LordMPofTMSR 2m "Idiot."
mircea_popescu: minutes ; and the timing not so strictly relevant. clusters of 3 reboots hours apart seem suspicious to me, is what i said.
asciilifeform: the down-times
asciilifeform: the 23 / 25 ... etc is prolly simply how long it happened to take for the thing to restart
mircea_popescu: kinda as signature-y as the dum-dudum sound of trained shooter with ak-47
asciilifeform: ( there's what, 5? 6? of'em published nao ? that work on all x86 iron )
a111: Logged on 2018-11-20 05:04 mircea_popescu: the whole 23 / 25 / 29 then 59 / 19 / 31 regular tri-cycling is kinda suspicious.