ben_vulpes: ah but wait qr libs aren't in the script on ch
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: but why qr codes? << libqrencode-dev was a mistake; holdover from my experiments with 6.3
ben_vulpes: but -- friday night, now stealing time away from familial sabbath drinking party to irc
ben_vulpes: step*
ben_vulpes: moving slowly, endeavoring to grok and verify each and every stemp.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: tried building the turd from earlier? << got started, ran out of bandwidth in dive bar
ben_vulpes: ah, no bw here.
ben_vulpes: where are you reading that?
ben_vulpes: sigs check
ben_vulpes: WhiteCrane:
ben_vulpes: ;;calc 4 / [ticker --last]
ben_vulpes is reading first
ben_vulpes: emergency asciilifeform gravity escape device
ben_vulpes: it doesn't help, but not having the intake hole hurts.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: primes
ben_vulpes: let's not pretend anyone actually cares.
ben_vulpes: and to have a contingency plan for that happening
ben_vulpes: the point is to provide the opportunity for btc to flow in
ben_vulpes: there's no goal for the hoard
ben_vulpes: i'll just sit here and have the culture attached in my lap please
ben_vulpes: chair duties
ben_vulpes: hahaha
ben_vulpes: would burn again
ben_vulpes: a++
ben_vulpes: soldering porn
ben_vulpes: mpex's paid enough to the worthy ladies already
ben_vulpes: well, negligible.
ben_vulpes: or a zero payout to treasurer
ben_vulpes: errant apostrophe
ben_vulpes: treasurer's duty's to audit the booty
ben_vulpes: wed the banging whores?
ben_vulpes: you're in the big zone mike_c :P
ben_vulpes: nfi really either
ben_vulpes: herd cats, write spec?
ben_vulpes: be a target
ben_vulpes: pretty please?
ben_vulpes: well there are no plans for expenditures on the table atm
ben_vulpes: if there are donations, someone must be responsible for said donations.
ben_vulpes: mod6 and i are states-based.
ben_vulpes: ...to the forum
ben_vulpes: jurov and i bring a pm regarding treasury duties for a theoretical -assets foundation
ben_vulpes: what's today's panic, MosesEX
ben_vulpes: people committing binaries are also using Github or other tools that paper over the horror.
ben_vulpes: horrible.
ben_vulpes: along with database passwords
ben_vulpes: oh no, they commit them.
ben_vulpes: "diff and patch can't handle binaries. so don't commit them, duh."
ben_vulpes: "why?"
ben_vulpes: "don't commit binaries to VCS!"
ben_vulpes: no asciilifeform you've got it all wrong!
ben_vulpes: nope.
ben_vulpes: what is a in this context? 0.5.3?
ben_vulpes: assume no qt?
ben_vulpes: my life
ben_vulpes: command line hell
ben_vulpes: documentation for diffutils suggests --exclude or -x (pattern)
ben_vulpes: -x ?
ben_vulpes: the binaries
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do they have common suffixes?
ben_vulpes: meep.
ben_vulpes: diffing whole trees?
ben_vulpes: no site no css no problem
ben_vulpes: sure that's a slice less complexity
ben_vulpes: jurov's list at least
ben_vulpes: f9beb4d9.org << btw
ben_vulpes: dns, hosting
ben_vulpes: 's what i said.
ben_vulpes: well then the thing wants a treasurer as well.
ben_vulpes: if there's a budget, something can be said about it
ben_vulpes: charter first, budget later
ben_vulpes jumps and chortles in glee
ben_vulpes: mike_c: why, PR for mpex!
ben_vulpes: side note: classic python exception-oriented-programming https://github.com/nanotube/supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/blob/master/RatingSystem/plugin.py#L40
ben_vulpes: or make mistakes get burned and learn
ben_vulpes: i'm pretty sure i only ever claimed to fuck around with the tools in us 'college'
ben_vulpes thinks
ben_vulpes: oh zing
ben_vulpes: fire
ben_vulpes: with
ben_vulpes: burn
ben_vulpes: it
ben_vulpes: was he one of those "cryptographers" who run on windows?
ben_vulpes: nevermind.
ben_vulpes: how do--
ben_vulpes: fml really?
ben_vulpes: nobody's going to complain, Mikayla ;)
ben_vulpes: undata: live cd/usb, boot regular device in "silent" mode, print stuff.
ben_vulpes: thermal printing's durable?
ben_vulpes: this is a pretty funny conversation given the previous conversations about noobs and bitcoin
ben_vulpes: ^
ben_vulpes: mats_cd03: also illusory and elusive
ben_vulpes: and watch addrs, not wallets.
ben_vulpes: mike_c: watch wallets on blockchain.info
ben_vulpes: win32 stuff isn't necessary to run the thing under cygwin, correct?
ben_vulpes: avg user should throw down 200 dollars for a netbook and fucking run unix.
ben_vulpes: this is a *tool* for people who *use tools*, not consumers.
ben_vulpes: if qt's nixed, the average user's nixed as well.
ben_vulpes: gets the fuck out of bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: the average windows user shuts the fuck up and uses unix.
ben_vulpes: why not?
ben_vulpes: anyways. is bitcoin not here to also end m$?
ben_vulpes: my mistake.
ben_vulpes: ah well.
ben_vulpes: he wants it to build on mac s/e as well
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo if memory serves
ben_vulpes: why even bother with windows?
ben_vulpes: sounds like a decision to me
ben_vulpes: well asciilifeform if you're willing to perform the surgery do it. otherwise, it'll have to wait right?
ben_vulpes: lol notrly no
ben_vulpes: * is rpc removal essential?
ben_vulpes: rpc removal is essential?
ben_vulpes: what else do you want to do to the thing?
ben_vulpes: bubbles for stan!
ben_vulpes: as much as i'd like it gone, i'd also like something in the wild before the stoolies attempt to fork.
ben_vulpes: arbeit macht frei
ben_vulpes: ripping out is a grand idea.
ben_vulpes: hardly.
ben_vulpes: i don't know precisely when that was.
ben_vulpes: with*
ben_vulpes: at some point calling bitcoind cli args started talking to the json rpc api
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: are you trying to get it off of your plate?
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: interdasting notion, but i'm taking like 3 things into production over the next month and can't handle the overhead.
ben_vulpes: what could go wrong
ben_vulpes: excel based routing tables
ben_vulpes: der derp derp derp derp
ben_vulpes goes for more coffee
ben_vulpes: so yes then
ben_vulpes: log unborkt
ben_vulpes: log as well which is kinda odd
ben_vulpes: derpy consumer route? it's possible but...not likely.
ben_vulpes: trilema dns still borkd for me
ben_vulpes: "these kids have no idea what it meant to be gay even a decade ago!"
ben_vulpes: ;;ud tdwtf
ben_vulpes: if that's the case, they're not the same company at all.
ben_vulpes: whatever you say, assbot.
ben_vulpes: !up ziggamon
ben_vulpes: !up ziggamon
ben_vulpes: *run 'em
ben_vulpes: *shrug* i don't 'em as hot as you do i guess
ben_vulpes: if it's the same company, they've got one in every single customer dc
ben_vulpes: impling "the" db
ben_vulpes: "the" dba
ben_vulpes: hilarious technology choices
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: p. sure i know that company
ben_vulpes: interesting, blockchain barfs on calculating transacted total
ben_vulpes: rabble rabble rabble
ben_vulpes: context?
ben_vulpes: ...
ben_vulpes: best cat
ben_vulpes: f9beb4d9.org ?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: did you produce a blob of Satoshi's writings on the crypto mailing list?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> (did get gastritis tho) << http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cortisol+from%3Abenkay lol toldja
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> (did get gastritis tho) << http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cortisol+from%3Abenkay lol toldja
ben_vulpes: http://41.media.tumblr.com/8cc2aee47829b9afd6e0eeaba1f1a909/tumblr_nbyj6adjGj1tlnaoto1_1280.jpg << tin woman
ben_vulpes: re messages: ditch it
ben_vulpes: although log1's accessible
ben_vulpes: log.bitcoin-assets.com dns also whacked for me
ben_vulpes: dns is wacky around here
ben_vulpes: ;;isup trilema.com
ben_vulpes: once was not enough
ben_vulpes: !down MosesEX
ben_vulpes: just what i need while watching this ftp dump scroll by
ben_vulpes: oh god those jokes
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> wow, building bitcoin on osx is actually a bit tangly << i for one gave up
ben_vulpes: either buy in lot of 12 for 240 odd bucks, or get stuffed.
ben_vulpes: dig this: my favorite mechanical pencil, the the PaperMate Logo II, is now basically unavailable.
ben_vulpes: hah
ben_vulpes: i only find it funny once people start *losing* eyes.
ben_vulpes: how am i supposed to read all these lines i didn't write?!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ah go fuck yourselves
ben_vulpes: i have a charter to dream up
ben_vulpes: well gents you have a good one
ben_vulpes: why do dependopotamuses have sex in the water?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla no, just sayin', your guess is as good as sexyginger's << boss you got a funny memory
ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> o hey our resident child rapist also keeps charts << lulzy, what's the story on this?
ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> answer to someones question earlier http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/versions.html << those colors.
ben_vulpes: but f-frictional losses?
ben_vulpes: how was the scent moving with your vehicles?!
ben_vulpes: silence and an absence of complaining ensued.
ben_vulpes: "oh my noes i can feel my brain wilting all the way over here! a scent of gasoline! in the warehouse we rent! we're all about to keel over!"
ben_vulpes: * mircea_popescu kinda likes the smell of gasoline << various engineers went on red alert over a faint whiff of gasoline earlier today
ben_vulpes: vino tinto
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ojo de bife y vino
ben_vulpes: boats and cars aside i think i get the "computer enforcement of human language contract"
ben_vulpes: that's too big a leap for my tiny brain
ben_vulpes: insurance policy?
ben_vulpes: merchant and processor sign agreement that proceeds shall be divvied thusly.
ben_vulpes: let's try the wot.
ben_vulpes: i'm not savvy to this story.
ben_vulpes: i was going for the wot
ben_vulpes weeps in ignorance
ben_vulpes: the incentives are aligned! merchant and payment processor must agree to get anything out.
ben_vulpes: please
ben_vulpes: go on
ben_vulpes: okay, so my derpitude re: m/n aside, the thing has a stable solutino.
ben_vulpes: "either we agree, or nobody gets anything."
ben_vulpes: both keys must sign for outputs to be valid.
ben_vulpes: pardon?
ben_vulpes: m=n
ben_vulpes: lol wat
ben_vulpes: what if there's no third?
ben_vulpes: no, thy enlightenment please
ben_vulpes: mind you, this is a pure-btc play.
ben_vulpes: funds sent to M/N address, both merchant and payment solution provider must agree upon processor fee and merchant share to disburse funds to each.
ben_vulpes: our solution: one of the few actual uses for M/N signatures.
ben_vulpes: cazalla: i was derping with a colleague about btc payment processing recently. the topic: how to ensure the payment processor (he who tells the taco-delivery mechanism to release tacos) gets paid?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: welcome to my hell.
ben_vulpes: wallets should be built atop bitcoind or equivalent.
ben_vulpes: decimation: a fantastic idea.
ben_vulpes: what is the bitcoinating? the part that attaches to the network, downloads and verifies the blockchain?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> decimation: bitcoind begs to be split into at least 3 programs << of which only 1 is necessary ! << for the record, what are the three and which the one?
ben_vulpes: signed patches will released.
ben_vulpes: there will be a base.
ben_vulpes: i think then this discussion is settled.
ben_vulpes: undata: staaaahp
ben_vulpes: or rather
ben_vulpes: no db necessary
ben_vulpes: m ah
ben_vulpes: <undata> anyhow, horse is starting to stink << what is this a reference to?
ben_vulpes: but for releases, history of changes to bitcoin x
ben_vulpes: that's not a problem
ben_vulpes: undata: git can be used for development
ben_vulpes: name of the game being dependency minimization.
ben_vulpes: base plus patchlist?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> forsaking version control systems entirely! << i cannot conscience this.
ben_vulpes: was someone hosting some git repos?
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> bitcoin x << ah, this
ben_vulpes: i've never written a charter, are there good examples out there?
ben_vulpes: it's fine and great i mean to say
ben_vulpes: ugh amenable
ben_vulpes: mod6, othernubs`: i'm behind on logs, but this is amenable.
ben_vulpes: it initially ended with :=0/d so as to rip the relevant line out. that'll still work.
ben_vulpes: nice! care to share?
ben_vulpes: mm.
ben_vulpes: mod6: create an address and send coins to it?
ben_vulpes: what's the use case there?
ben_vulpes: othernubs`: i'm not even sold on importprivkey
ben_vulpes: at this point i'm running the node stock to see what happens
ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: indeed. piles of work.
ben_vulpes: still caffinating can't keep up already
ben_vulpes has no idea
ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: semantics indeed, but not the reddit-style attempted-argument-ender kind. rather the important kind that conveys significance.
ben_vulpes: mod6: plenty of sense. i was a little startled to see that your debian dist didn't come with sudo.