asciilifeform: certainly troo in the general case.
mircea_popescu: "i'm not putting another shit on trilema, there's one there and i can't discern how a 2nd woul add anything". nevertheless -- the nut's uncrackable, you literally do not know in 2015 what you will like to read of 2015 in 2019.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-23 18:33 asciilifeform: 'My sound cancelling headphone make excellent earmuffs while walking to The Donald's ' << this has gotta be a joak
asciilifeform: e.g. that poor bastard mircea_popescu dug up, with the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-23#1898935 , he has some obv. relevant 'death of open sores' history in there, but i can only stomach maybe 15min at a time of reading his chronicle
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform certainly works in the negative.
mircea_popescu: which is why people who set out to write "interesting journals" end up with crap and peopl setting out to write "earnest journals" end up the basis of history.
mircea_popescu: you don't generally know what you will like to read, is the problem here. and this is not a resolvable problem for good and fundasmental reasons, also.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i like all 3 notations. for erry size of hammer there is a time an' place.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, this is exactly "alf likes polish notation". good for you, but as the above cs intro page explains : YOU KEEP NEEDING SHIT FROM THE RIGHT.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-23 18:34 mircea_popescu: "Busy all day. The phone just would not stop ringing. Mark called several times (some of them about Paychex), Stu called (oops, late to meet him for lunch), my sister called (wants me to buy her a house, but in a good way), I called my grandparents to thank them for the Red Lobster gift card Fade and I used for dinner, the series of phone calls from Eric was because he had to debug a problem with the gpsd test suite hanging o
a111: Logged on 2019-02-24 06:42 mircea_popescu: witness how instagram is chock full of a bunch of pretentious pictures of foods/travels/whatever that the putative "authors" ~aspire~ to.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-24#1899021 << these tend to converge to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-23#1898936 -style horror . asciilifeform's pov re writing is to write the kind of thing he would wish to read himself, rather than 'here is what we ate , and here is what looked like when we barfed it out' . granted when taken to extreme other end, can result in writing nuffin at all .
mircea_popescu does very little actually creative work ; merely not getting in the way of people trying to make things is a full time job
a111: Logged on 2015-04-07 21:39 mircea_popescu: but i say the pigs make ham. as that one butcher observed, "i only follow the lines already there"
asciilifeform: so even if orig publication had been moar detailed and on asciilifeform's www, one would still be stuck walking all of these, to get proper picture .
asciilifeform: hanbot: orig 'v' was an asciilifeform torture room item, but it was other folx who made it actually useful ( mircea_popescu -- conceived a philosophical foundation for it, conceptually; ben_vulpes -- documented; mod6 et al -- reimplemented , and filled missing pheature holes ; trb users -- battlefield-tested; phf -- keccakized; etc )
asciilifeform: it remains true that the 'canonical' piece re subj was by ben_vulpes ( http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system ) tho
a111: Logged on 2019-02-24 06:53 mircea_popescu: all the recurrent "look how well this works out, except it only works out because the item was there, you couldn't have computed WHEN I WROTE IT that this is how it'll be useful, nor do you have the time or resources when it'd be useful to re-produce the thing in the past you should've marked" is entirely about this.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-24 06:47 hanbot wouldn't for a moment think of v as belonging in the set of "failed attempts"/"ugliness or banality potential of life on earth", but otherwise the problem of desire to control perception is spot-on. i certainly have that problem, "x isn't polished enough", "i'll write about y when it's all done and i know what the score is" etc
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-24#1899025 << imho trb ml contains massive record of ' asciilifeform's initial failed attempts at v ' : the sequence of 'determine flow with bare hands' pre-v patches. ( signed, too )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-24 06:38 hanbot: am i nuts for expecting the this to be on asciilifeform's blog, seeing as he wrote it?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-24#1899016 << more boringly, item was born from trb work ( and specifically jurov's mailing list mechanism , with enforcement of patch signatures ) , i.e. 'hand-cranked v', so ended up on the trb ml.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-24 08:16 hanbot: hey phf -- there's some shenanigans with your blog i think. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EVcgT/?raw=true
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/02/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-ii/ << The Whet -- hanbot's Cuntoo Bake Test Notes - Part II
hanbot: hey phf -- there's some shenanigans with your blog i think. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EVcgT/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: all the recurrent "look how well this works out, except it only works out because the item was there, you couldn't have computed WHEN I WROTE IT that this is how it'll be useful, nor do you have the time or resources when it'd be useful to re-produce the thing in the past you should've marked" is entirely about this.
mircea_popescu: and alf of 2015 was a lot less confident in his own product than there was any cause to (for the obvious reasons he occasionally discusses, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892360 and all that)
mircea_popescu: v-as-of-2015 is exactly the same item as something-that-will-happen-tomorrow. yes v-as-of-2019 has some sort of value associated, built in those 4 years. but the original, emergent item was valued according to prospective, not historical criteria. basically, it got whatever ~default~ value one put on his own ingenuity.
mircea_popescu: but you see, ~before~ "v" existed, in the sense you understand it now, v also existed as a thing that hasn't yet existed.
hanbot wouldn't for a moment think of v as belonging in the set of "failed attempts"/"ugliness or banality potential of life on earth", but otherwise the problem of desire to control perception is spot-on. i certainly have that problem, "x isn't polished enough", "i'll write about y when it's all done and i know what the score is" etc
mircea_popescu: "if nobody saw me shitting my pants then therefore nobody has any cause to suspect i ever did" or somesuch. as fucking if that's how anything worked.
mircea_popescu: and so blogs are significantly shittier than they could have been, and in exchange the author steals his own hat, and "saves face" or w/e the fuck the inner 6yo imagines itself to be getting thereby.
mircea_popescu: it'd be way the fuck better to see the 500 failed attempts that went into that quiche/scooba/whatever. but people being the morons that their mothers made them, rather than the people their absent daddies could have conceivably made them, throw out the good stuff and keep around the chaff nobody cares about.
mircea_popescu: witness how instagram is chock full of a bunch of pretentious pictures of foods/travels/whatever that the putative "authors" ~aspire~ to.
mircea_popescu: before i made nicole go naked on her knees NOBODY EVER imagined going naked on your knees is the proper path towards a technical career. before i published that thing, it wasn't self obvious it should be on loper-os. and so fucking following.
mircea_popescu: there's this common tendency among noob bloggers to regard the blog as some sort of trophycase/showcase. they miss out on their own youth, as the lived story of their own personal path through life, consisting as such always does of failure, and tribulation.
hanbot: am i nuts for expecting the this to be on asciilifeform's blog, seeing as he wrote it?
hanbot: mircea_popescu so it does. but i mean, "the idea behind this"? what if one's looking for -the- this?
mircea_popescu: at the time alf was being weird about publishing things on his blog.
mircea_popescu: hanbot cuz it links the mailing list.
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000161.html << what passed for manual.
asciilifeform: hanbot: whole sequence was in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/thread.html#151
nicoleci: mircea_popescu: nicoleci kitten, check out latest comments, local troll dug out the linkedin of this lulzcow. write to them, say hi an' tell 'em your master ordered you to << this is done - i messaged him as ordered. :)
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/02/venezuela-closes-borders-and-further-cuts-diplomatic-and-political-relations-with-colombia/ << Qntra -- Venezuela Closes Borders And Further Cuts Diplomatic And Political Relations With Colombia
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/02/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-april-may-and-june-1714-part-iv/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of April, May and June, 1714. - Part IV.
mircea_popescu: i suspect the whole heathen->cuntoo environment building will require some more brush-up and tweaking. eventually we'll get it smooth but for now such attempts are indeed very useful globally, even if i imagine locally frustrating.
lobbes: Luckily, this time around I have a 40MB screenlog to parse through. Will return once I have a more substantive understanding of where exactly the failure points are when trying to build my kernel config
lobbes: However, I've got some detective work to do now; Last night I ran the Cuntoo script (using the same kernel used for the above functioning Gentoo, and aimed at a usb drive), however when building the kernel I saw a spew of "error: cannot read XYZ elf file" and then it drops me out of the bootstrap.sh
lobbes: good day, #t. Quick update on what I've been doing lately: I've been on a bridge-to-cuntoo quest. Firstly, I spent the last week or so successfully getting a hand-rolled classic Gentoo installed on my lappy; complete with alf's classic crapolade masks, functioning networking, gcc-musl, ave1's gnat, and diana_coman's v setup (tested and working splendidly, I will add).
mircea_popescu: "Somebody needs to fork gcc at the last GPLv2 release (4.2.2 I think, need to check) and maintain that, because the FSF has gone totally around the bend and the community shouldn't depend on it anymore." << check that lulz.
mircea_popescu: should be fun to go on hunting expedition among the wolves that ate boston 4th time tho.
mircea_popescu: africa africs, they'll be burning dung and tyres, of course.
mircea_popescu: the united states does not have the required skilled workforce to maintain nuclear plants, let alone build them. it's a foregone conclusion.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the 1 natural resource not yet exhausted in north amer, is (shit-grade) coal. lizards are fixin' for a return to 'golden age' of soot and aerially-dispersed thorium, for coupla decades nao
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they'll prolly go for it, as the easiest thing to maintain. (in other words : heating new york is impossible as a matter of fact -- the best way to "explain" this to the affected while maintaining control is to pretend it's deliberate)
mircea_popescu: "Poking at making an open source version of the Cisco toolchain again, from publicly available sources. (No, Cisco isn't paying me to do this, most of those engineers are off for the holidays and not even answering their work email. I'm doing it because I'm disgusted with the FSF and would love to undermine Mepis II any way I can.)" << nuts.
mircea_popescu: the us has been de-industrializing on the strength of the imbecility and sloth of the population for a century straight.
BingoBoingo: They won flattening by making everything shitter
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what did they win ?
mircea_popescu: or i guess the gain is that inept bois who can't afford a cup of standardcoffee at the standardshop could pretend like they're "fixing it" for 8 years, which is to say most of their productive life ?
mircea_popescu: or what was it, now whenever someone who hates black people is looking for ammo he can go "obama was ~easily~ the most inept, ridiculous, useless and failful president in history" ?
mircea_popescu: a functionally iliterate moron from illinois/kenya got to fist bump with the functionally illiterate morons polishing the white house floors. i guess that's a gain in fried chicken ?
a111: Logged on 2014-07-19 03:17 mircea_popescu: there for all eternity, to confront generations of bright teenagers that'll take about five minutes to figure out she's a furniture, and maybe not torture her for it. maybe.
mircea_popescu: who won what from the whole "black president" charade ?
mircea_popescu: funny how poorly the whole charade worked out. imagine if they came to you, you know, "here guy, you're the least informed dork in all of this obscure university's legal history dept, we'll promote you as the truly white black man! then you can go down in history as the most idiotic black man the soil ever produced, while we move on to different-but-same whiteboi wanking posts".
a111: Logged on 2019-02-23 17:23 asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu has this piece , where rms as lev trotsky, 'troo left believer' surrounded by the usual swarm of cynical grifters who inevitably come to put proboscis into 'troo believer' as surely as flies to shit
mircea_popescu: in short, obama is the ~by product~ of a bunch of retarded white boys, nothing else.
mircea_popescu: more money away from the competition. (Unless Obama's smart enough to talk congress into investing in the future _before_ it becomes an imminent crisis.)"
mircea_popescu: guy's political intuitions are remarkably weak : "All along, their big worry was the price of oil would rise to the point where alternative energy sources became _cheaper_, and people started funding research into them not out of altruistic or environmental motives but because there was money to be made in the near term. The massive price decline in oil is a mixed blessing for OPEC; it shrinks their paycheck but diverts even
asciilifeform: 'Biked to the chick-fil-a on ben white. In 95 degree heat.' 'The hot water started working again this afternoon. Life is good.' 'For the record, a $5 gift card at starbucks doesn't _quite_ buy a mint hot chocolate and a slice of lemon pound cake, but it comes close.' << oook asciilifeform's dosimeter is fully black
asciilifeform: http://archive.is/Jt2js#selection-4119.0-4126.0 << also lulzy. this is just about bottomless well of these, tho, i'ma not pollute the log .
mircea_popescu: "If I go home, I'll be endlessly pestered by cats. If I go into a room and close the door, they'll claw at it, the whole time." << dood had some srs problems. i sent much less disrespectful cat flying out window.
asciilifeform: 'November 2, 2008 Cross compiling gcc's c++ support doesn't work because even though I'm saying --enable-threads=posix the various subdirectories are trying to run the compiler it built to grep out the "Thread model: " line to set the config entry target_thread_file (which gets used to set glibcxx_thread_h, which is breaking) and you CAN'T RUN IT WHEN WE'RE CROSS COMPILING YOU TWIT!'
asciilifeform: ^ gottaluvv how that's justanotherdiaryentry, and not followed by 'november 9, 2008: today i made arrangements for seppuku'
asciilifeform: 'A sad day; the McDonald's double cheeseburger is no longer a dollar menu item. They now have the "McDouble" (which is the same thing but only one slice of cheese), but it's a sign that the whole thing is likely to drop off soon. Apparently, just because the economy has imploded doesn't mean we haven't still got galloping inflation.' << there's 9000 of these, i'ma leave off , so as not to ruin appetites
asciilifeform: 'So there's a small but nonzero chance that if the suit over the Linksys build system goes to trial that I would be on Cisco's defense team working against the SFLC. Maybe even testifying in court against them. Considering I still think the SFLC is in the wrong here, I'm pretty happy with this.' << whatever happened with that
mircea_popescu: these numbers for, or if the perl generating them didn't suck quite so badly.) Tired. Bedtime. Tackle it in the morning." << 2008, this.
mircea_popescu: "So the busybox "dc" command was broken when I tried it, but Denys fixed it last night, so I can do the next perl removal patch now. (I need to get this done before the merge window closes.) Three hours later, I've learned how to implement the greatest common denominator algorithm in shell script using Eucilid's algorithm, and I'm only about halfway through. (This would be easier if I either had any idea what the kernel used
mircea_popescu: n Ubuntu 8.10, which eventually turned out to be that gcc 4.3 is miscompiling Python 2.5... Eventually my cell phone battery died from all the calls." << how about this.
mircea_popescu: "Busy all day. The phone just would not stop ringing. Mark called several times (some of them about Paychex), Stu called (oops, late to meet him for lunch), my sister called (wants me to buy her a house, but in a good way), I called my grandparents to thank them for the Red Lobster gift card Fade and I used for dinner, the series of phone calls from Eric was because he had to debug a problem with the gpsd test suite hanging o
asciilifeform: 'My sound cancelling headphone make excellent earmuffs while walking to The Donald's ' << this has gotta be a joak
asciilifeform: ilar. If it's not electronically searchable, it won't matter... ...Project Gutenberg will scan in and OCR the public domain books, but in 100 years will anybody remember that UPI (a competitor to AP that went belly up a few years ago) even existed' << poor bugger
asciilifeform: 'Yesterday Fade wanted to know why Reuters and the Associated Press don't let their content stay on the web long. It's because they're old newspaper service organizations that want to charge for access to their archives. Places like Yahoo news subscribe to their content, then have to take it down after a couple weeks. It's funny that most of what future generations are going to know about 1995 onwards will be from archive.org and sim
mircea_popescu: the "industry standard".
mircea_popescu: "So yesterday, I told paychex the exact amount of money that was in Impact account, and the portion of that Mark and I each earned, and that my main concern was not bouncing a check. Today, they want to deduct $253.50 more from the account than I told them was in it. Â This did not seem to raise any red flags on their end." << keks. "paychex", also still in business. also still doing the same exact thing -- meanwhile it's
asciilifeform: phjaques Also these new chicken mcnugget commercials are utterly revolting.") Penn Jilette also posted about taking his kids out for hamburgers and a movie. Warren Ellis posting anything, really.'
asciilifeform: 'Twitter continues to be strange. Where else can you read one line posts from famous people and realize how very little they normally have to say? Just read three consecutive posts from uberlawyer Lawrence Lessig about his air travel arrangements ("@lessig second hour delay SFO2BOS just announced"), Howard Tayler of Schlock Mercenary ("@howardtayler just finished a two-hour nap. Ahhh."), and Jeph Jacques of Questionable Content ("@je
mircea_popescu: dood spent a lot of time disogranisedly fighting the [to him, invisibly] organised morons.
asciilifeform: 'The 2.6.28 merge window is open, and I'm coming up with a third perl removal patch. ' << watever happened to this ?
asciilifeform: http://archive.is/Jt2js#selection-215.0-219.29 << lulgem from same : 'Perl is back in the 2.6.28 kernel, once again due to H. Peter Anvin. Sigh.'
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the "i handrolled my own mp-wp, by hand" lulzchronicles, 2008 edition, http://archive.is/Jt2js#selection-39.0-39.293
mircea_popescu: the wrong approach. The right fix is sometimes a completely different patch, and sometimes there are several ways to do it which will work, but you have to pick _one_ way or they'll interfere with each other." and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: "Most authors mean well, but most changes have problems. Often they are conceptual problems, the problem they're trying to fix is real but they take
mircea_popescu: most of these aren't. the discussion of massaging long long etc in the tcc for x64 included in that mailing list is most lulzy on topic.
mircea_popescu: "Tinycc was once closer to offering a serious open source alternative to gcc than anything else, and it's still simpler (and smaller, and faster), but part of the definition of its development community was a willingness to deal with development tools from the days of DOS." << what was his problem specifically to this day we do not know (beyond cvs not being able to handle namechanges, much like ~every other wanna-be v until
mircea_popescu: the point being, dumbphone creates an imaginary overlay over reality for dumbass to interact with instead of reality.
asciilifeform: ( for the innocent -- 'smart'pnoje-powered idjicy, zombie walks around in open air peering through pnoje, and hunts devils that programmatically appear in traffic, in coffin during funeral, on railroad tracks, anywhere )
mircea_popescu: whore's crack metamorphosized into pavement crack, one big government-maintained single-body whore, and the city boi... welll.
mircea_popescu: was some thing, famous for being imortalized in http://trilema.com/2017/the-world-has-changed/#selection-25.38-25.88
asciilifeform: afaik didn't go away, still exists, there's a pokemonist den somewhere not far from here
mircea_popescu: literally their entire collected works consist of a bunch of them, face to face, tablet/smartphone clutched with white knuckles, finding pokemons.
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder that "game" went away, it was the game of fucking life for these "free and open source" minds.
mircea_popescu: and they never, ever, no matter the fuck what EVER engage in any meaningful exchange. two fucking ignominous tards finding pokemons in front of each other on a subway platform. that's all it is.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker, that wasn't what was being discussed, now was it. "if you don't aim to be employed by microsoft stop complaining abouyt windows crashes :)" fucktardry next, whainot.
mircea_popescu: and the fucking :) usage, too. "> If you don't want to have CVS write access on Savannah, please stop complaining about your repository not being in sync :-)"
asciilifeform: right here, there's that airfield, and the enthusiasts (all, near as i can tell, in their 60s/70s) erry weekend dig in the engine, oil rag & all
asciilifeform at one pt considered to buy such machine, and did some homework re the engines, it's moar or less perma-fossilized 1940s tech. cuz, elementarily, it worx.
mircea_popescu: the demons people have to conquer vary by gender, news at 69.
mircea_popescu: it makes a fucking difference, even before we stop to consider that the native female ~also has different primitives~ one can leverage to obtain satisfactory results without going the exact same path.
asciilifeform: they're carburetted, too.
mircea_popescu: and for reasons, which have to do with the ~ovopositor~ discussion. see ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to this very day trinque-style plane runs on 100 octane cum pb. there's a filling station for these not far from where asciilifeform stands .
mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, there wouldn't have been ww2 us bombers under any other paradigm.
mircea_popescu: in any case, let the record reflect i find the pompous feminity they titlessly assume personally offensive.
mircea_popescu: and i view esp the drepper thing very much in these terms, "we are dumb cunts deliberately and by design, and we will not excommunicate another dumb cunt irrespective of any considerations, because believe-women".
mircea_popescu: except that pretense is obviously enough a bald face lie, if they were ignorant they couldn't be this systematic.
mircea_popescu: they are ~studiously~ and systematically disrespectful of male hierarchy and patriarchy in general, then they evne more insultingly ~pretend to not even be aware~.
mircea_popescu: anyway, a lot could be said re the standard interactions between these unmitigated assholes. take http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-fail-the-scott-locklin-method/ and compare/contrast to http://archive.is/QA0cl#selection-511.1-521.5 or http://archive.is/FyVWH#selection-277.1-287.38 or ten trillion other examples.
asciilifeform: re : 'difficult for changes to be inserted unnoticed' -- did they ever even pin a name on the debian rng lulz ?
mircea_popescu: whereas everyone else, traditionally, will just fucking permit themselves to be dragged down to the lowest common denominator rather than behead a misbehaving old hand.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-24 19:56 mircea_popescu: !!rate nanotube -1 took the blue pill at some point prior to the republic, chasing the tenure dream somewhere lost in the imperial wastes.
mircea_popescu: "He said that they have also contacted the GNU Arch maintainer about adding GPG signing. Though it may take some time to develop, the addition of GPG signing to commits would be a welcome feature. " << see, because we http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775402 over his failure to bring gribble up to spec.
mircea_popescu: "To that end, the compromise may actually be a good thing in the long run. Kuhn said that they have contacted the CVS maintainers and have offered to pay for development of features that would allow GPG signing of commits through CVS -- making it much more difficult for changes to be inserted unnoticed into code held in a CVS repository." << guess how far this made it, 15 years later.
asciilifeform: may take some time to develop, the addition of GPG signing to commits would be a welcome feature.' << afaik to this very day no such thing in opensoresdom (outside of linus's releases)
asciilifeform: 'To that end, the compromise may actually be a good thing in the long run. Kuhn said that they have contacted the CVS maintainers and have offered to pay for development of features that would allow GPG signing of commits through CVS -- making it much more difficult for changes to be inserted unnoticed into code held in a CVS repository. He said that they have also contacted the GNU Arch maintainer about adding GPG signing. Though it
mircea_popescu: (linux weekly news being the qntra of 20 years ago, except much the fuck shittier, in no small part because fucking retarded editorial team)
mircea_popescu: bout as effectual as the sand dollars i fished at beach last.
mircea_popescu: what ~the fuck~ prevented them from saying "loic has the autority to make an alt-logger, fuck your mother." ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's just... they EVEN HAVE THE HOLE WHERE THE GEMS WOULD GO. everything, everything, except not making it work.
mircea_popescu: but they don't say "by his lordship's authority, gna". they say "phylosophycally!!!!" which is a keyword with these functionally iliterate morons, and it's a keyword for specifically "this is where real republic instrument would go, if it existed as it does but we heretically deny"
mircea_popescu: i mean, understand this fucking nonsense : on the very savannah gnu org/maintenance/WhyChooseSavannah/ page they list "Gna!: http://gna.org/ - philosophically compatible with Savannah, run independently by other people; located in France" ; this is there BECAUSE his lordship loic the schmuck is doing it.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu has this piece , where rms as lev trotsky, 'troo left believer' surrounded by the usual swarm of cynical grifters who inevitably come to put proboscis into 'troo believer' as surely as flies to shit
mircea_popescu: if the "there really wasn't anything there to begin with" was at all controversial, such banal yet obvious yet disavowed matters would sink it anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the lulziest thing is how all these born-in-65-foss-blabla tards end up ALWAYS on the fucking forefront and speartip of usg.blue isms.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-28 18:01 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in copyrasty lulz: https://archive.is/wpwpo << ms-shithub posts dmca wank publicly nao ; this one's against a linuxkernelism. ( https://github.com/github/dmca << moar of these than anyone could ever stomach , some quite lulzy )
asciilifeform: the mice dun learn either, witness the mass-migration to shithub ( ~exactly same thing, but with moar printolade to prop it up )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform of course. and yet IT STILL DID BETTER than fucking "savannah", the cvs pharmacy in 31401 georgia.
mircea_popescu: somehow the lesson that "anomie-freedom's worse than ANY KIND of slavery" still unlearned, 20 years later. "why did savannah fail ?" "dunno" "but you said somethings about it, dorky. where's the review of them ?" "not me!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in this light, the current (yes, still exists...) zombie of soresforge, where mostly hosted winblows .exe , and scriptically-infested with $trojan-of-the-day on ea. download, aint much of surprise
mircea_popescu: "Some months ago I helped to launch Savannah for the GNU project because I felt the need of a collaboratively run platform. With friends and co-developpers we are now re-writing and packaging distributed development hosting software. The idea is to be able to install and operate a SourceForge-like site within hours. Savannah will run this software at the end of this year. At first it may have less functionality than SourceFor
mircea_popescu: and so fucking following until we fall the fuck over, how can this dork live with himself.
mircea_popescu: ed it with real people, but instead permitted a buncha weasels to run with it, not even under the supervision and signature of an established lord, because my mother dropped me repeatedly on hard floors during breastfeeding]."
mircea_popescu: ker data /export/sf_tracker_export.php. Few people are aware of the later because it is undocumented. The export page explains how to use scripts that don't exist anymore; implementation of facilities to ease project extraction was stopped. The developer community is exclusively made of VA Linux employees and a few people who are asked not to disclose the current code [and I didn't declare this a strategic objective, nor fill
mircea_popescu: "The move to non-free software was the culmination of a series of steps designed to lock users in. There never was a way to fully extract projects from SourceForge [and I never said anything about this because I, rms, am a moron unfit to lead a L-shaped ambush, let alone an entire world], but efforts were made in this direction--then this year they were removed. At present the only things you can get are the CVS tree and trac
mircea_popescu: (the linked fsf piece is 2001.)
mircea_popescu: RM and in May 2009, Augustin was appointed as the chief executive officer."
mircea_popescu: ber 9, 1999, during the dot-com bubble, VA Linux became a public company via an initial public offering and Augustin, then 38-years old, became a billionaire on paper. In August 2002, Augustin left VA Linux and from September 2002 to December 2004, he was a partner at Azure Capital Partners, where he helped lead Azures investments in Zend Technologies and Medsphere. In 2005, Augustin joined the board of directors of SugarC
mircea_popescu: anyway, for thread completeness : "In 1993, Augustin founded VA Research (later VA Linux and Geeknet), while a Ph.D. student at Stanford. Augustin was a Stanford colleague of Jerry Yang and David Filo, the founders of Yahoo!. Filo and Yang introduced Augustin to Sequoia Capital, which provided Augustin with venture capital. In November 1999, he launched SourceForge, a collaborative development environment or "forge". On Decem
BingoBoingo: If the town custom was fucking dogs... convenient, features, might as well!
mircea_popescu: "might as well this as that, it's all the same anyway."
mircea_popescu: "Because of the convenience of SourceForge, many Free Software developers have come to take this collection of features for granted, and would be reluctant to go back to the old way of doing things. Unfortunately, this means that when SourceForge itself takes a turn for the worse, it tends to pull Free Software developers down with it. "
mircea_popescu: so, where's all the rms "hey folks, make blogs, rms-wp is over there", is what i wish to know.
mircea_popescu: the foregoing has the disadvantage a very good man is still smarting from it ; the latter however IS FUCKEN POISON.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:35 mircea_popescu: but as far as the foundation is concerned -- if all it does (ALL IT DOES!!!) is stand up to tell me "oh, we can't follow the keccak because reasons" ima put an end to it in short order.
mircea_popescu: the choice is strictly between mp-esque http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855672 and rms-esque herp-derp-mumble-mumble.
asciilifeform: these particular mice i dun think ever ate one single crumb of cheese that wasn't from a mousetrap.
mircea_popescu: get the fuck out of here. in adult world there's such a thing as "this tall to ride".
mircea_popescu: you know, the items discussed, "efore SourceForge, such tools (bug tracking, cvs, web, support, forums, polls, news, etc.) were available individually, but few developers used many of them together"
mircea_popescu: i meant the editor and management toolchain.
asciilifeform: so whole thing went as spoils of war to the next set of tards, under linus
mircea_popescu: WHY did not rms say "you MUST unify the toolchain" at such a time as ~before~ ers could step in to do it for his usual expectation of a coversion gain ?
asciilifeform: 'mice-be-gone exterminator corp. brought our mouse kingdom a unified and standard cheese distribution methodology based on modern tools. before the mousetraps were installed, such tools were available individually, we had to scour the kitchen manually for crumbs of cheese, but few mice used'em, because they had to set up.... ...mice-be-gone made the combination conveniently available for both larval and experienced mice...'
mircea_popescu: they love the whatever, "world", "cosmos", whatever it is, and dun wanna hurt it. and they figure if they don't exist, can't hurt it. and so will studiously avoid saying "~I~ forbid you from X", not because "they believe in equality" or "it's impolite" or "other's freedom" or any such bs. the driving force is simply that IF you say "i order/forbid you" then therefore you CAN end up in the situation whereby "you forbade me and
mircea_popescu: but let it be said that the ~actual~ reason all these bernie sandals tards pretend all the shit they pretend about equality and authority is precisely this fear : that the flow of events may bring them to this position where they did something wrong.
mircea_popescu: to set up the combined facilities on their own. SourceForge made the combination conveniently available for both new and experienced developers. "
mircea_popescu: it should be instructive exactly ~how~ ers's warcrime as you (with cause) call it made its way into rms's naive ranch of cattle purity : "SourceForge brought to Free Software a unified and standard development methodology based on modern tools. Before SourceForge, such tools (bug tracking, cvs, web, support, forums, polls, news, etc.) were available individually, but few developers used many of them together, because they had
asciilifeform: arguably even the slow nintendoization of pc arch, squeezing out 1st 'load own bios' then 'load own kernel', is macroscale instance of same thing. rms rejected 'make own iron' in 1980s, today the chickens come home to roost, and the response of the gnutards is afaik ~100% denial games
a111: Logged on 2016-03-28 13:11 mircea_popescu: upon consideration, i see no reason to continue supporting or otherwise encourage kakobrekla's bizarre worldview. on the contrary, i view further involvement with the nonsense as considerable moral hazard, and a miserable thing to do altogether.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose one could use the item linked as a compare/contrast with http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-28#1440673
asciilifeform: ( the 'bitkeeper' debacle )
asciilifeform: they dun seem to have any capacity to learn from obv mistakes, either -- witness how literally same scenario replayed with linus
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so they were using a logotron made by someone not in the l1, big whoop. (then you realise they apparently HAD NO IDEA this is what they're doing, or what a l1 even is -- suddenly the "big whoop" turns to "wtf is wrong with these idiots")
mircea_popescu: they have SUCH a fucking ridiculous, fucking obvious, structurally-stable passive-aggressive approach to things, jesus god. one can literally identify, tag and mark the invidious bernie sandals socialist by this his most peculiar approach to conflict and social hierarchy.
mircea_popescu: anyway, since for some inconceivable reason we're doing archeology in dung, here, the lulzy valinux-fsf moment : https://fsfe.org/news/2001/article2001-10-20-01.en.html
mircea_popescu: cuz that's what they always did, enumerated badness. cuz insecure twits. cuz again and again, http://trilema.com/2014/on-the-superiority-of-monarchy-or-adnotations-to-why-the-worst-get-on-top/ problem.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck must be going in through their skulls to view "advertisement spend from proprietary competitor on my page" as anything but a) a great lul and b) hey, nice, i'll be sure to buy more dog toys for the bitches out of THEIR MONEY
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform probably because "Savannah has high project approval requirements and thus visitors can expect freedom-related qualities from projects hosted here (such as no proprietary dependencies). Moreover, there are no advertisements, thus you do not run the risk of getting an ad for a proprietary competitor on your project page."
mircea_popescu: there's literally nothing else happening going back years.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phunphakt, in '07 asciilifeform naively tried to get a repo hosted there. was ~turned down~
mircea_popescu: "Welcome to Savannah, the software forge for people committed to free software:", but i'm not gonna link it. because fucking misnomers.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other great wins of the subnormal arepublic, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=savannah+cvs&t=ffsb&ia=maps
asciilifeform: mega-'cooperation', these folx fight like two cannibals on lifeboat when given half a chance
mircea_popescu: the problem's all these people who keep not getting it right, see. the problem with socialism is insufficient socialism!!!
mircea_popescu: because, obviously, in moron's eyes the problem wasn't socialism to begin with. i mean, mussolini tried, just didn't do it right. then hitler didn't do it right. stalin showed him how, but sadly also didn't do it right. but it's ok, roosevelt showed them how. and mao and trotsky and eventually rms.
mircea_popescu: and "cooperation". ALLLLLLLL trhe fucking problems of naive socialism, ALLLLL of them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or that time they got directx on its knees and then went ahead and gave opengl back.
mircea_popescu: AS DOING. The fact the rest of you are now finally realizing that some of the problems I already solved years ago were, in fact, real issues, is mildly amusing to me in a morbid way. If you have competent developers on this lsit you don't NEED my patches, you can figure out how to do it from the _idea_ in a couple hours." << there, as good an epitaph FOSS could ever get.
mircea_popescu: "I do not trust Grischka's technical judgement, his committment to the project (I put way more time into my fork than he's put into the official version), his leadership abilities, or his organizational skills. I spent three years of my life improving this project (not just coding but documentation and testing and design and so on), and the result was esentially discarded at the whim of somebody who DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I W
a111: Logged on 2019-02-21 03:05 mircea_popescu: There were functions named g() and o() <<< bwahahaha.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, this shit's hysterical. dja know what the anointed moron/official gnu eromenos' response to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-21#1898532 was ? "they're impossible to grep for because you don't know how to use grep."
mircea_popescu: especially if their name's hanbot
BingoBoingo: High denominations being rougly 30 and 60 USD on the Uruguay side and 15 and 30 USD on the Argentine side
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Orcs? But the inspection appears to be less about forgery and more... Argentine and Uruguayo bills look alike in the high denominations
asciilifeform: whothefuck forges orc scrip
BingoBoingo: Studying the quadruple digit peso bills is standard procedure for any cashier when you are a new face. Studying the benjis... not so much
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have yet to find an abitab clerk making 12,000-18,000 pesos a month that studies the details of benjis in the way they study 1000 and 2000 pesos notes to make sure they aren't secretly Argentine pesos
BingoBoingo suspects Paraguay calling out bad series of benjis is what got them on US shitlist this century (as opposed to other times they got on US shitlist)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc the new ones aint even magnetic anymoar
BingoBoingo: Honestly, being here it took me a while to get used to that slighly different color the new benjis have that good old Jackson's don't
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect the tards have nfi what is or could be 'sane stack' even if it bit'em. comical to watch, rather like a nigerian forger who dun know what colour benjie is even supposed to be
mircea_popescu: in case somehow http://trilema.com/2018/the-republic-without-mp/#selection-165.23-165.95 or "Rustics you were and rustics you stay" or etcetera didn't quite make the point plain enough.
mircea_popescu: sane computing stack not within their purview.
mircea_popescu: let the morons/amateurs/menalone/etcetera crop stick to "freelancing", making websites, iphone apps and the rest of the cattle-adequate activities.
mircea_popescu: in any case, the ownership of this entire thing is clearly established, and entirely nobody the fuck else outside of properly authorized republican hands may fucking touch it.
asciilifeform: sorta like the various prb
mircea_popescu: not only i will negrate anyone who in any way participates in that shameless shitsoup, starting with janneke moron, but eventually also shoot them.
mircea_popescu: "working" nothing, this is nude and rude "we will whitewash over republic, http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/ style".
mircea_popescu: d for building the complete system. Therein lies a problem: the current combined size of these bootstrap binaries is about 250MB . Auditing or even inspecting these is next to impossible. For i686-linux and x86_64-linux, GuixSD now features a "Reduced Binary Seed" bootstrap (see the wip-bootstrap branch). We would like to say: "Full Source Bootstrap" and while we are working towards that goal it would be hyperbole to use that
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz, "Guix---like other GNU/Linux distributions---is traditionally bootstrapped from a set of bootstrap binaries: Bourne shell, command-line tools provided by GNU Coreutils, Awk, Findutils, sed, and grep and Guile, GCC, Binutils, and the GNU C Library. Usually, these bootstrap binaries are "taken for granted." Taking these binaries for granted means that we consider them to be a correct and trustworthy see
BingoBoingo: I dunno that the redskins were eliminated so much as interbred with the imported german slaves to the point of disappearing
mircea_popescu: i can't recall the last time the eventual outcome had much to do with the us, tbh. i mean, syria obviously entirely unrelated to any usg claim to agency. but it's not clear their last victory did anything meaningful to iraq ; certainly never budged either korea or vietnam. the euros are exactly where they'd have been had germany won ww2. and so following.
mircea_popescu: the "kicking", and increasingly more the "shooting" happening principally in the self-aimed navel-grazing devices.,
a111: Logged on 2016-08-13 14:20 asciilifeform: 'kick the dog till it bites, then shoot it' is standard anglo approach, from boer war, to ww2 japan, to every poor motherfucker like the one in link
a111: 6 results for "kick the dog then shoot", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kick%20the%20dog%20then%20shoot
mircea_popescu: all the way to "iraq/syria/whatever BIONUCLEAR&CHEMICAL WEAPONS!!!!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i got 1 better, in ameri-schooling they still peddle w. r. hearst's fiction re 'the maine'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-22#1898584 << speaking of, you know TO THIS DAY they're lying to schoolchildren about lusitania content ? "we started ww1 through packing munitions in what we falsely called a civillian ship" still "unhappened" etc ?
mircea_popescu: but anyway, certainly a lot of interest in stripmining these days.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile the Peruana lost interest in New York when I point out "Hace Calor" outside at 32 degrees, "Hace Frio" inside at 24 degrees, and snow doesn't become possible until the number of degrees is less than zero
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: She's still holed up with mom, the two dogs, cat, and six car garage
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yer vz chix still sitting in warsawghetto^H^H^H^H^Hvz suburb , with grandmother , or wat
asciilifeform: i have nfi what was in the vhs propaganda tapes baked for south amer orcs, i only saw the ones for sovok
BingoBoingo: Well, Miami may be Mecca but do Mangos grow in the streets and alleys?
asciilifeform: i suppose notion is, that they will soon, for chance at ticket to miami mecca
BingoBoingo: But these folks aren't even digging up whole river beds california style yet
asciilifeform: (this is why they're rare -- and not because asciilifeform bought'em all)
a111: Logged on 2019-02-14 23:52 asciilifeform: in ru there are some decent microscopists ( not the 1 phf went to, but apparently others. ) for instance, very recently found that К1801 ( sovok 'pdp-11' single-chip ) was ~not~ in fact a photoclone of dec's (only the early '80s demo ver was!) but , turns out, entirely indigenous orc design, with coupla x ~fewer~ transistors and yet faster max clock
asciilifeform: e.g. the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896836 thing, iirc contains no fewer than 3g ~per~
BingoBoingo: I've been waiting to drop that factlet into a blog, but there it is. One man month of hard if not particularly efficient work ~500-600 a month
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Artisinal gold mining is a thing in Vzla. Typical haul of an artisan gold op there is 10 grams of gold per man-month
asciilifeform: wtf even ~is~ in nicaragua other than 'don bigote, no mata el perro!'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: guiado 'requested aid'; maduro banned 'aid' from border; the open q is, will shoot or not
asciilifeform: same algo since, when, korean war, they have this 1 broken record.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-22 16:32 asciilifeform: in other hilarities, usg 'humanitarian convoy' set to break through vz border some time this weekend