asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if some part of the shitstack 'was designed', i cannot say what it was
asciilifeform: 'ok, ctrl-c? i'll assume you meant the last of the 9000 jobs you just spawned, right'
asciilifeform: e.g. you ctrl-c and it nukes ~child~ of process however many layers deep, as in hanbot's example, and instead of propagating the kill up the tree, 'returns' barf uptree
mircea_popescu: in more practical sense : ctrl-C is broken-by-design, in that it is ambiguously used to either mean "kill this task" or "kill all tasks". note how ctrl-c doesn't kill THE TERMINAL. it needs ctrl-d for that.
mircea_popescu: dude, this "x distance apart" is like the fucking speed bumps. brilliant fucking idea, "how about everyone pays a tax so that some edge cases benefit"
asciilifeform: most complicated mechanism i ever used that 'works' , in light of mircea_popescu's concept thereof, is.. idk, kalash
asciilifeform: ( the subj of microshit, i'll spare, tho could expound.. )
asciilifeform: tho it aint clear to me than the e.g. crapple rituals, make any moar sense
hanbot: i dunno, shit's supposed to fail if you do the wrong thing. possibly i'm a moron for making it too easy to do the wrong thing, keyboards oughta be 10ft apart, give second to surgical assistant, whatever. but it is fucking frustrating.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between selecting for intelligent users and selecting for inept hoop jumping acrobatic users -- and "foss" managed to implement the 2nd kind while loudly making postureclaims as to everything under the sun.
hanbot: which means i have yet another incomplete cuntoo install with no vpatch and yet no way to start again without another freakin' reboot. it's like walking a tightrope, here i was worried the power'd go out or w/e, but no, fingers got confused after 30m of back and forth, fuck me.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-08 18:06 asciilifeform: hanbot: see if you can build using http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/conf_current.conf , it is an asciilifeform-sewn config for the specific iron you happen to be on
hanbot: so there i am merrily entering choices into the kernel config's endless querying on the tail of my cuntoo installation attempt, and i'm noting down all the modules it asks about that don't appear in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900940 for posterity, during which i ctrl + c on the wrong of the two keyboards i'm handling while trying to copy a module name and bam, make dies, which means kernel configuring dies, which means bootstrap.sh dies,
asciilifeform: prior to usg-engineered 'international' blockage, ~north~ was the industrial kr.
BingoBoingo: Well, when you put a third of your generation capacity in the same damn dam...
BingoBoingo: Venezolana today during spanish class logistics talk made of a point of how maduro was blaming the "Imperialists" for the blackout. I offered that it was almost certainly the imperialists, breaking shit is part of their regime change recipe.
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/03/08/ceviche-theory-and-practice/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Ceviche Theory And Practice
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900966 << not clear to me that 'isms' are in play : afaik it's moar of the thing where the anglos have same relation to other folx as worm to apple
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 03:38 asciilifeform: https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/goals << in other lulz.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-08 18:16 asciilifeform: the obv hypothesis is that the gnutards ended up happy with the position where 'priesthood' builds kernels and users blindly eat the binaries, etc
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900954 << seems quite evidently a case of "here in orc cvasirepublic, we rely on implicits to do the job where understanding wtf's going on would have been useful".
a111: Logged on 2019-03-08 18:03 asciilifeform: this is prolly not an answr that will make hanbot happy. the only good news is, this only gotta be done 1ce per kernel-iron combo.
mircea_popescu: most amusing element -- neither of the "parties" involved read as much as a line of ye olde menshevik-bolshevik disputes.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-08 10:50 spyked: moreover, the same item will be useful for adding comments to thetarpit's cl blogotron, implementing mp-wp-anti-spam for the same, etc.
mircea_popescu: "racism is cover for capitalism" ongoing in oither soviet as we speak.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-07#1900888 << very best korea flavour to the whole thing.
mod6: hanbot: I did see these questions pop up too while doing the cuntoo bootstrap. This in particular happened to me after I copied my working gentoo kernel from /usr/src/linux/.config to cuntoo/myCopiedConfig, then replaced all of the =m with =y ( sed -i 's/=m/=y/' myCopiedConfig).
asciilifeform: the obv hypothesis is that the gnutards ended up happy with the position where 'priesthood' builds kernels and users blindly eat the binaries, etc
asciilifeform: sadly it's how the current ball o'crapola worx.
asciilifeform: since mircea_popescu is asleep, i'ma 'fill in' for him and note ftr that the necessity for this process is indeed a warcrime of the gnutards, and really not how sane configurator of any kind oughta work
lobbes_field: ^^ was the approach I took. Accepted defaults n' manually walked it after I confirmed it booted
asciilifeform: ( i.e. it ~may~ end up containing useless modules, that you will later want to cut out, but ~will~ contain the necessaries given in the supplied config )
asciilifeform: hanbot: if it ends up asking you q's , like prev. time, feel free to press 'enter' and let it give the default answers -- they come from the existing config (when available) and from default of the given kernel's (if not) . this generally gives bootable kernel, that you can trim later at your leisure.
asciilifeform: ( and of course the snsa-operated dulap )
asciilifeform: all pizarro-owned x86 boxen in the rack, are currently using this config
asciilifeform: hanbot: see if you can build using http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/conf_current.conf , it is an asciilifeform-sewn config for the specific iron you happen to be on
asciilifeform: this is prolly not an answr that will make hanbot happy. the only good news is, this only gotta be done 1ce per kernel-iron combo.
asciilifeform: the way i handle this , is when building kernel with an older config, i use the menuconfig util, and have it eat the prev config
asciilifeform: hanbot: that answers it then. that one contains some flag that trinque's kernel has nfi what to do with.
asciilifeform: so he took the 'simpler evil'
asciilifeform: lobbes_field: imho it's an asinine default behaviour of linus's builder ; tho the alternative ( build a ball of ??? that fails to boot ) may be equally asinine
lobbes_field: Fwiw, the same happened to me with all my cuntoo runs that used my own 'custom' kernel config (versus trinque's provided config).
asciilifeform: where did the copied one come from orig.?
asciilifeform: 'found I could replicate mod6's process of copying the .config file in /usr/src/linux into the cuntoo/config directory' suggests that this build was using a non-trinqueian .config ?
asciilifeform: hanbot: this also happens when you used a config baked for a certain kernel, but then feed it to another (usually moar recent) kernel's make
asciilifeform: hanbot: i can tell you ~what~ you saw, tho not yet why : the linux kernel make starts asking itemized config q's if it sees sumthing in the given config that dun add up to something 'menuconfig' could have shat out, by its lights ( e.g. a module for $device is enabled, but 1 of its deps aint )
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/03/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-november-and-december-1715-part-vi/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of November and December, 1715. - Part VI.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile local derps trying to statnerd over Uruguay being relatively expensive without a discussion of the Ham scam https://archive.is/DqocT
BingoBoingo: In other news, power and internet down in Vzla
spyked: moreover, the same item will be useful for adding comments to thetarpit's cl blogotron, implementing mp-wp-anti-spam for the same, etc.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-06 23:12 mircea_popescu: well eg in lobbes 's case there's also an auction thing, and the archiving bit, and so on ; in spyked's case there's also a lot of rss and so on.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900726 <-- incidentally, there is some overlap between logotron web interface and web-based img pastetron: both need www code, which I will genesis as soon as I have a working item
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/03/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-iii-with-prep-script/ << The Whet -- hanbot's Cuntoo Bake Test Notes - Part III, with Prep Script
BingoBoingo: It's in my client's log but not the BTCBASE log
BingoBoingo: hanbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bz2eO/?raw=true Sorry about that. I thought I fired the GPGgram off from the cage.
asciilifeform: on the uy1, that is ^
asciilifeform: ( and/or log in via your shell acct , where you know the host key already )
asciilifeform: hanbot: if you're concerned re mitm, ask BingoBoingo to log in via console and gpg you the current hostkey to
a111: Logged on 2019-01-30 23:10 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890969 << was karatism ultra-popular in '80s ro, like in late sovok ? ( there, was ubiquitous, esp. on acct of being Officially verboten )
asciilifeform: was, incidentally, the Official excuse behind the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1891016 ban
asciilifeform: some folx think all of this summed to 0 ; others -- 'to dead sovok'
asciilifeform: ... and tito! ( + buncha other figures painted in sovok propaganda as 'devils' )
asciilifeform: ( item was hushed up, best as they could , fathers demoted, sons sent to army , etc )
asciilifeform: buncha kids, mostly of local party elite, seekritly sewed themselves some semblance of ss uniform, and raised swastica flag at night on city hall; then marched to cemetery and laid half a tonne of flowers on old white army graves
asciilifeform: reminds me of a famous (in the right circles) incident in su, in 1981
asciilifeform: lol that's the school obummer sent his spawn to
mircea_popescu: wait till kids figure out en masse they can opt out of those stultifying "assemblies" by being "racist"
BingoBoingo: In other news, from the kids and clutched perls front: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GF5Up/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: Hence the Putin liked Trump more than Clitler fuss. Distracts from China owning the Senate wholesale.
mircea_popescu: this is the truth pantsuit vehehehery carefully tiptoes around every time they're "discussing" usg's foreign policy outlay : usg is a chinese vassal, it has to ask for permission.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i expect it'll go approx like the at&t phone tap lawsuit -- usg invokes 'sovereign immunity' and that's it
asciilifeform: i have nfi how and why putting sumthing through a column is patentable. but it aint any odder than the rest of that racket.
asciilifeform: 'it is likely that esketamine treatments will be covered by insurance and that it will have fewer side effects than ketamine' << the main 'side effect' was not being patentable, lol
asciilifeform: 'The drug, developed by Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen subsidiary, is intended to be used with another antidepressant, and only by people who have already tried two and don’t feel better' << lol, 'approved' so long as dun threaten ye olde chemlobotomy racket
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ketamine, lol! when asciilifeform was research slave for us army, they were offering comparatively impressive sums (coupla thou) to anyone willing to take ketamine and run labyrinths / do various puzzlers
BingoBoingo: And in this case the USG is decidedly handicapped when it comes to the "exhaust wallet with waiting" litigation strategy
mircea_popescu: anyway, the objection is sound -- all weimars everywhere end up "parliamentarist" before going away.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/03/us-fda-approves-dissociative-anesthetic-to-treat-living-in-the-us/ << Qntra -- US FDA Approves Dissociative Anesthetic To "Treat" Living In The US
PeterL: lol, Uruguay, Uganda, Ubuntu - they sound pretty close to me
BingoBoingo murdering limes for the ceviche
PeterL: WU only cost 8 bucks to send to bingoboingostan. Lady at the counter asked "you know this person?" "yes." "This isn't a telemarketer, is it?" "um, no" - such great fraud prevention
BingoBoingo: There's a decision matrix here: Inside US y/n, if yes WU is available and less expensive. Otherwise bank wire.
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Please !!invoice BingoBoingo 0.154 [reason: won the auction]
BingoBoingo: PeterL: There's also a 10 digit number you'll get. That's what I need to do the pickup.
BingoBoingo: Depending on when you get to it, I may not be able to confirm pickup until tomorrow. This is GMT-3 timezone and the last places to pickup close at 21:00. They usually have lines so figure 23:00 GMT is the cut off for a same day send and pickup.
PeterL: does it match the one deedbot has?
BingoBoingo: I encrypted to the one I have in my ring labeled "Peter Lambert"
lobbesbot: PeterL: Sent 11 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/g9R7A/?raw=true WU Information. Please take the time to get this settled within the next 24 hours because frankly... You aren't around much.
BingoBoingo: Looking like there will be no exchange rate movement for March
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: can you link to the last known figure plox ?
mircea_popescu: but plox quote in actual coin rather than monopoly money ?
asciilifeform: exactly the quoted sum
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o hey, nice, tyvm! what's the damage ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma log out, then see if went.
mircea_popescu: ie, a more practical avenue might be perhaps to invite the fellow to join your own castle ? what's he to do otherwise, get himself banned here ?
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell PeterL http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/g9R7A/?raw=true WU Information. Please take the time to get this settled within the next 24 hours because frankly... You aren't around much.
trinque: hanbot: the unmounting thing isn't really specific to my script. absent umount -R you're off the rails provided
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll do it if it's a normal pp , but if it's like the last one it prolly won't work from my machine
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/03/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-october-november-and-december-1714-part-iv/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of October, November and December, 1714. - Part IV.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: in theory the logs are endlessly educational! in practice, learning takes practice.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: politely decline, but should the merry bandits catch the tax collector's carriage unawares i know where to place my buy orders.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: since yer buying coinz , can i interest you in another machine purchase for piz ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 17:10 Mocky: in truth i do feel like idjit for being old man without the brains to have saved anything. i don't even have a workshop full of shit like asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: either tending to my manorial lands, or carving my fortune out of passing stagecoaches, depending on the day. the glittering court, most elevated discourses, high-octane cultronium etc readily distract me from the husbandry that capitalizes. also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1875979 spooked me.
ben_vulpes: place is the 3rd or 4th largest population-wise and has much more humility and concomittantly a vastly greater depth to the sell-side of pretty much everything.
ben_vulpes: for all that the place is nominally filled with capitalists, nobody here drives like time is a rapidly exhausting resource. i seem to have landed in a town largely flavored like portland. nobody knows how to make coffee, and the region doesn't produce much by way of wine. but! where portland was the largest metropolis for a good hundred and fifty miles in any direction (and cavorted with airs to match), this
trinque: I can't say for sure until I instrument the thing with slime and wait for it to happen
trinque: asciilifeform: shape of it as I vaguely recall is that the bot-stuck-away state looks like bot-connected from PoV of bot
BingoBoingo: Well, look a it the other way. Intel has been shipping actual quantum computers for over a decade. Now not quantum in an useful way, and possibly quantum in the worst way, but as quantum in the most commercially relevant way so far.
BingoBoingo: That was in the "old" days. Intel has moved on to disappearing Quantum bathtubs for catapulting
asciilifeform: ^ loox like theoretically afflicts even the venerable x60-era intels. ( aside from the detail that ddr2 aint, as i currently understand, rowhammerable )
mircea_popescu expects ben_vulpes reboots mimi in short order and the matter goes away ; otherwise we'll see wtf to do about this.
mircea_popescu: anyway, they'd prolly be closer to being done, so you wouldn't find yourself in the position of "no logger for pizarro", except they got sent to do auction bot fixes and gutenberg mirror respectively, if you recall.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly the point : they're cutting their own trees because they're their own. if you were cutting it, conceivably it'd be with phuctor python, that being yours, and so o.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes 's display not included i dunno why ; phf's not included for the stated reason, obscure cl machine ; lobbes 's not included because in order to be able to patch it, he had to fix various things first, you were here for the "techniocal debt" discussion last year.
asciilifeform: would have to write it by hand. ( could use phuctor's as a base, but would rather not perpetrate another pythonism.. )
mircea_popescu: but fundamentally yes, the reason the tree's not cut exactly to your measure's that you never cut it yourself.
mircea_popescu: well eg in lobbes 's case there's also an auction thing, and the archiving bit, and so on ; in spyked's case there's also a lot of rss and so on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the published bot genesis takes care of the irc mechanics and the db write ; what's missing is the wwwistic front end
mircea_popescu: not sure why phf hadn't, but possibly because it's a finnicky setup on a lispmachine he can't reproduce, ie, the "10 minutes" in that case'd have included a decade's worth of encuntoo-ating whatever cl pile he uses.
mircea_popescu: afaik both the current developments are following code published by trinque that comes off ben_vulpes 's logger. this is perfectly fine, too, and no it's not "10 minutes", again because of all the trims.
asciilifeform: if these were available, could stand up a logger in 10min or so..
asciilifeform: i still wonder why phf and ben_vulpes didn't take a shot at genesising theirs ( asciilifeform , for instance, posted the phuctor frontend, fwliw )
mircea_popescu: not being reinvented or anything, just, it's a large thing because of all the trims.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik both lobbes and spyked are working towards this : http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/11/conveyor-outlook-now-to-feb-2019/#selection-103.0-103.42 and http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html respectively.
asciilifeform for instance would luvv to log #pizarro and #asciilifeform , say, with own hands, but dun currently have time to write a frontend, and finds it peculiar that nobody's seen it fit to genesis theirs, srsly how many times does that 1 proggy gotta be reinvented
asciilifeform: incidentally, has anyone yet published a ~complete~ log bot kit ? last i knew , all that was trooly genesis'd is http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-genesis , which is one-half of a log bot ( the rear half )
BingoBoingo: In other news, any channel loggers interested in logging #pizarro ?
diana_coman: hopefully I won't mess it up again the same way at least
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, ready for a reset when you get there
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Let me know when you make it in. Just now tested the credentials I sent and there was no perceptible wait.
asciilifeform: err, the kvm, that is
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It sees the disks. Unplugging keyboard and monitor from diana_coman's test box
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plz check that it actually sees the raid
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well, changes made on the actual stationary disk, oughta persist, sorta whole point
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Your live environment is ready. This is the same live image hanbot has been using. Changes made to the live environment will not persist.
asciilifeform: hanbot : while BingoBoingo is in the cage, do you also want reset ?
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
spyked: mircea_popescu, aite. yeah, their pastebox looks pretty neat.
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/087-feedparse.html << The Tar Pit -- A feed parser for Common Lisp programs
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900597 << trinque: same, "target is busy". if you wanna try and untangle, i'm at your disposal, but otherwise i'ma have it rebooted
asciilifeform: diana_coman: BingoBoingo set out for the cellar just nao.
diana_coman: I think I'll take a break and leave it until I have the smg test box back so at least I don't mess about with all sorts of versions of everything or I'll go nuts
asciilifeform: unless it was the cpp components which did
asciilifeform: ok this is odd, cuz, recall, per http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896695 an' http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-16#1897234 , it oughta be _Unwind_SjLj_Resume , and not _Unwind_Resume ( the latter is a zcxism! )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, for completeness, adacore's gnat with --rts=sjlj throws only one undefined reference rather than a bunch; here's the winner: undefined reference to symbol '_Unwind_Resume@@GCC_3.0'
asciilifeform: why aint there a chukcha chipset, btw.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nevertheless!!!
diana_coman: once I have the test machine in working order again I'll see what's going on there; in the happiest case it was just linking with the wrong thing and so it'll be easily solvable
diana_coman: you know, that was what I was trying to ensure on the test server (that it's linking with a sjljistic lib) when the simple removal of a symlink blew up in my face
a111: Logged on 2019-03-06 16:55 diana_coman: in other unwanted discoveries: on trying to compile the whole server on the sjlj-gnat I got a bunch of undefined symbol for unwind_sjlj_raiseexception ; anyone knows about this?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900636 << was this in the final linkage step, or earlier (and if then, then in the .cpp pieces ? or ada ? )
asciilifeform: a turd by any other name, would smell as sweet (tm)(r)
asciilifeform: ( and it'd suck just as hard if they'd named it 'monaco' instead.. )
diana_coman: once I get to the bottom of it, I certainly will; my first thought was exactly that - ugh, meanwhile it's not "supported" anymore or wtf - but so far I have no real clue, I'll need to dig
mircea_popescu: diana_coman make a post once you fix it, with the list of what / how you fixed.
mircea_popescu: unsurprisingly, compiler started diverging from the "obsolete" ie functional exception handler.
diana_coman: in other unwanted discoveries: on trying to compile the whole server on the sjlj-gnat I got a bunch of undefined symbol for unwind_sjlj_raiseexception ; anyone knows about this?
mircea_popescu: in the meantime, things can be called "liguria" and so on.
mircea_popescu: NOBODY WORTH THE MENTION EVER WAS BLACK. OR EVEN BROWN. GET THE FUCK OVER IT ALREADY, LIES WONT FIX IT!
mircea_popescu: no fucking way. they "hired" 9000 zeks who were "hired" anyway by virtue of being zeks, to wrap it in crap so "nobody can tell".
asciilifeform: (i.e. quite unlike ida, they actually hired 9000 grunts to try & reimplement... )
diana_coman: ftr I have otherwise down even what the symlink was pointed at; it's not that the issue per se
asciilifeform: rright -- i suspect there's an undocumented linuxtardation somewhere at the bottom of this
diana_coman: me neither but it's a ...test machine; so it gets all tested, what can I say
asciilifeform: pretty strange effect, i haven't previously observed anyffin of the kind from removing a symlink
diana_coman: no, it's not the symlink that caused the breakage; it's the botched removal i.e. it did more than remove the symlink
asciilifeform: nm then
asciilifeform: trinque & other people with working cuntoos -- plox to take a look in the #p log and see if you can easily say what the orig. form of the nao-broken symlink looked like -- ty
asciilifeform: trinque: they 'end program' erry ~decade, when $name leaks out, and reorg into $newname
trinque: 2019 marketing push for the derps
trinque: asciilifeform: they totally either-did-or-are-considering-seriously ending the whatever-you-idiots-think-we-do program
shinohai: Beware the Ides of March.
shinohai: BingoBoingo: Nah, mine has "Antrorsum hostem" engraved on the sharp end.
shinohai: Throw at enemy, laugh as they attempt removal or drop now useless shield.
BingoBoingo: Well shinohai, how do you usually use your Pilum to get the feeling you are accustomed to receiving from it?
a111: Logged on 2017-03-07 17:44 asciilifeform: in other lulz, nsa has internal clone of ida, 'ghidra'
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathendom, usg 'open sores' a famous shitware: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-07#1622885 >> https://archive.is/Nhkkc
a111: Logged on 2019-02-07 16:49 asciilifeform: in other cuntooisms : if anyone is short a x64 box to test-fire cuntoo with, asciilifeform has a surplus disposable box, 'lenovo s10-3' , with that same chipset as in x60 etc period ( https://archive.is/Dny84 ) , if anyone in l1 wants, it's yours for the cost of postage ( has a mechanical hdd in it, i fughet of what size )
spyked: asciilifeform, is http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-07#1893396 still available? I'm looking for a small machine to (ab)use for cuntoo install and IMHO this is a good alternative to scavenging the local junkyards for usable hw.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-05 18:23 mircea_popescu: btw, spyked lobbes either of you feel like implementing a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-04#1900358 thing ?
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-05#1900506 <-- I defo wanna make this, can start working on it after I finish the current scheduled items . I'm missing some deadlines myself (got sidetracked by the more urgent need for mirroring gutenberg) and currently working to get back on track
mod6: Eitherway, I'll read logs and catch up if you proceed without me, of course.
mod6: My availability is pretty limited that day, during the day. Probably will be around later that evening, or more for sure on Sunday.
trinque: lets all plan on smashing through this path bug in the vpatch this weekend. I'll be available for it.
trinque goes to procure another
trinque: the script runs this umount for you at the beginning of each attempt to clean up after any prior build attempt. it wont bother with the umounts if they're already gone.
trinque: these have to be unmounted from within build dir before umounting build
trinque: hanbot: the reason for the recursive unmount is that the build mounts /proc /dev and /sys in the build target
a111: Logged on 2019-03-01 23:04 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-25#1889862 slash http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-08#948046 lulz : the dork i used above for a source for the commie radio pictures (not that he originates them, they actually come from http://www.latrecut.ro/2006/05/ric-stramoshul-ipod-ului/ which is significantlly better contextually, but I was lazy) not only passes himself as a "Ministrul Cyberculturii | Recenzii, cronici, cr
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 15:34 asciilifeform: ( and, lulzily, classical sd card ~does not support write protect~, it has the same usg.nonsensical 'software read writeprotect tab' as old floppies )
mircea_popescu: honestly a sane box should not end up in the state you described, short of doing things to it like alf's easy bake oven.
hanbot: mircea_popescu i haven't, based on noting various unknown webderps reporting it hung/killed their session
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i didn't dig into it, but noticed the little tab looking at them. now that i think about it, i seem to recall this was actually discussed in log.
asciilifeform: and most baked-into-iron readers seem to ignore the rw line
hanbot: mircea_popescu yes, makes sense. quandry is whether figuring out process lineage or ordering reboot and re-prepping for bootstrap will take the larger amt of time, but then former path comes with figuring out new (to me) shit, so...prolly best.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they all have the tab. the behaviour relies on the reader tho, not the card
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-05#1900534 << lol, ~read~ only. did find that there's a supposedly-write-once ro bit that one can set ( appears to work, but naturally i've no way to verify that there aint a magick undocumented sequence that resets it somehow )
mircea_popescu: from the other pov, the jbd2/sdb3-8 thing is typically the kernel doing journalling.
mircea_popescu: so your thing here is to figure out who the fuck is the parent, why the fuck is it not cleaning up its dead kids, and possibly kill it too, and it's stupid father in turn until presumably you end up with the kernel which WILL clean them all up.
mircea_popescu: lled, whatever, at which point its parent, ie, whoever spawned it, waits on it and cleans it up. 4. until such a thing happens, the ~process table~ still lists it, even though it is no longer able to ~do~ anything. this is a "zombie", process existing in listings only, not yet cleaned up by its parent. (it can, unfortunately, block unmounting).
mircea_popescu: should show the parent. basically, the way this whole thing works is as follows : 1. linux is organized around "processes", which are a sort of agents let's say. they're listed in /proc/ ; 2. any process can spawn other processes, the whole menagerie's spawned by the kernel (which in systemd thing is also process 1, hence the whole http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863880 thing ). 3. a process can close, or be terminated, ki
lobbes_field: Then, I'm back to attacking http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/11/conveyor-outlook-now-to-feb-2019/ (which, I've -completely- missed my deadline on)
lobbes_field: To update: Now that I have a bootable Cuntoo, a hand-rolled Gentoo, and a proper keccak v setup (with ave1-gnat), the only item left in my 'remedial' hopper is to read and sign Spyked's keccak regrind of logbot_command_router_python >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/01/hopper-update-january-2019/
a111: Logged on 2019-03-05 18:23 mircea_popescu: btw, spyked lobbes either of you feel like implementing a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-04#1900358 thing ?
mircea_popescu: hanbot anyway, the same effect can be obtained by simply umount-ing all the partitions.
mircea_popescu: possible you ran it previously (when it worked) on an unmount that supports -R ? whereas the one using now doesn't ?
hanbot: so check this out: on new attempt to run cuntoo bootstrap.sh, i get this error: "umount: invalid option -- 'R'". whereas man umount shows no uppercase R option (lowercase r makes sense, remount read-only). and moreover, first bootstrap.sh run moved past this no prob, not like the script *changed*, wth?
mircea_popescu: if volume is a concern, can limit it to so many bytes / time interval / ip. add command to your bot to whitelist ips by their being claimed by l2 people, then you can even invoice them.
mircea_popescu: minus the "Alipay and Wechat Pay are supported currently:" shockingly idiotic bs, of course.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-04 19:29 mircea_popescu: https://img.vim-cn.com/ << check them out. we prolly want something like this actually huh.
mircea_popescu: btw, spyked lobbes either of you feel like implementing a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-04#1900358 thing ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> today -- prolly they discuss which ver of systemd to use. << Nah, more likely they discuss how great the version they are ordered to use is
mircea_popescu: hey, i recall a time in the 90s irc was for dating. fulla exactly the kinda gal you'd like to meet, bash & fuck on 1st "date".
asciilifeform: today -- prolly they discuss which ver of systemd to use.
asciilifeform: 20y ago it was still possib to hear something interesting at a linux usergroup ( asciilifeform , for instance, in iirc 2004 went to local 1 and met a half-mad greybeard who 'mark my words, nsa boobytraps in the nic bios' , 1st mention in asciilifeform's memory of subj ) but certainly not today.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i translated the chinesium, it's 100% snoar, some kinda fiatological dark-age #b-a
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all they said was 'z' ? or was moar
mircea_popescu: the more patient sinophiles are invited to squeeze the rock for butter at their leisure, my interest's exhausted.
asciilifeform: ( how? e.g. asciilifeform was unable to produce a usefully general break for the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2433 chip. which means still no 'tmsr lappy'. and so forth )
mircea_popescu: yes, of course. i'm not proposing you publish the damn thing in any particular scheme, or that your math comes out a particular way
asciilifeform: this so, but there's also cost to ~not~ buying $tool. for instance asciilifeform passed up in decade 2 chances to get electron microscope. and may end up paying moar, for having so.
mircea_popescu: if the tree is (evaluate object) (decide if buying object) (deal with the fallout of buying object) you can't possibly spend 300ms alftime on 1, 190s alftime on 2 and 168`000`000 s altfime on 3. it's just insane.
mircea_popescu: this is no way to go about things, balance the tree, let everything get a commensurate qty of brain cycles.
mircea_popescu: a more balanced distribution of your own brainpower to the trees of your own life can only benefit you. as it is, you're stuck now spending weeks of time to deal with the results of decisions that took minutes to take on the basis of information you "compiled" in half seconds, by sucking thumbs.
mircea_popescu: rather than being surprised by "random" events one could've seen coming a mile's worth of weeks away, if they bothered to look ; and rather than being surprised by where the horse decides to go.
asciilifeform: i'ma make another 'train schedule' after 17.
mircea_popescu: so tehn spend however many 20 minute slices it takes to write these out, write out the time commitment you expect, sort them in order, and make yet another publishing plan!
mircea_popescu: but currently you're much more adept at avoiding the learning of how to do that than at the doing it!
asciilifeform: certain parts defo. which is why i'ma rearrange the ordering.
mircea_popescu: this is yet another red herring. it is evidently true one needs arbitrary long chunks for arbitrary long tasks, say "to prove m-r i need a weekend alone". but "ffa" IS NOT this. ffa is eminently aditive.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-04 21:23 mircea_popescu: there were 4 weeks in february. where are the 4 items ?
mircea_popescu: it may well be that the $250 notional you made ain't worth the notional value of what you lost.