mircea_popescu: and this is what i meant earlier re "revolutionary term of art". there's this notion that members of the proletariat fight each other over imaginary class distinctions instead of uniting.
mircea_popescu: that's the fucking point of soviet life.
mircea_popescu: the breaking news being that no, x doesn't exist. all soviets live like animals.
mircea_popescu: or so you posit. because "x gotta exist, and y is the more likely to succeed".
asciilifeform: nah, the ~real~ mansions are where corzines, SES plum book, etc. live.
asciilifeform: sorta more like the warm zone at auschwitz
mircea_popescu: so then if you yourself don't accept the thing you propose as proof, as proof, what do you want from me!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i lived in suburbia. which is pointedly not the same thing, the mechanism whereby the police are kept distant is entirely different (obedience)
mircea_popescu: who the fuck do you think actually wants to fuck you.
mircea_popescu: nobody's getting "anally dilated" in prison dude. wake up and smell the coffee, erections are rare.
asciilifeform: whereas to me, 'corzine is not getting anally dilated in prison' =~= 'there are mansions, and they are off limits to police'
asciilifeform never lived in a mansion, but has lived in streets where the police show up every day, and ones where didn't see a single one in a decade of staring out window
trinque: also, "can house all the help" which of course implies on-site help
mircea_popescu: seems the basic definition of mansion includes "off limits to police"
trinque: BingoBoingo: I was going to say, one measure might be whether the cops are going to need something more than a boot to enter
asciilifeform: i'll be the first to admit.
mircea_popescu: whereby you can somehow magically be a thing of the past only.
mircea_popescu: this thing only works in the mind of soon-to-be-smoke jews.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure it is. it is called 'grandfathered in'
mircea_popescu: i dunno dude. it does not seem to me possible to even have a mansion in the land of "we rent - unfurnished!" and "building code" etc.
asciilifeform: let's have the earlier bit though - what is a mansion really ?
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem with formalism is that it doesn't practically yield anything past bad "art".
mircea_popescu: you famously also thought random rotinculo/mortidifame journos are the wealthy elite.
mircea_popescu: i don't recall the revolutionary term of art, but nevertheless, ideas formed on the basis of stuff glimpsed through the gps machine are not reliable.
asciilifeform: i can already see mircea_popescu telling me, that these ain't mansions unless the stones are at least 1001 years old and were put on with druid blood
asciilifeform: and the horse it rode in on (c)
asciilifeform: because i don't see the improvement.
asciilifeform: not by the highway.
BingoBoingo: By the highway?
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 22:53:43; BingoBoingo: Of course. The mansions asciilifeform describes driving by are made of plastic and toothpicks
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278943 << when i say mansions, i speak of actual mansions. we have'em here on the east coast.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 22:52:25; mircea_popescu: meanwhile in reality, poverty is poverty. the us is very poor, and so everything directed at keeping people from being useful "works". of course it does.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278941 << this is the EXACT same basic thing as debeaking (ask a poultry farmer)
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 22:30:57; deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The goldfish telling the great white shark what life’s like in the ocean, and other logical fallacies. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/18/the-goldfish-telling-the-great-white-shark-what-lifes-like-in-the-ocean-and-other-logical-fallacies/
cazalla: a-ok, don't really follow it much these days but i see rousey is headlining the ufc down under in november
cazalla: BingoBoingo, not really up to date on it all, last i heard he just ran away instead of taking the test
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> 5 years for cannabis, but i wonder if silva would've got less for his escapades if he didn't run off << He passed two of the three tests
mircea_popescu: also the only cln seems to mean to me is a credit linked note.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform get a different citizenship, deny you ever had us citizenship, let them prove otherwise.
asciilifeform: stead of the usual set of usg banks.
asciilifeform: 'Foreign financial institutions require ex-US individuals to show them a CLN (or provide a "reasonable explanation" of why they do not have one) to comply with the exchange of information provisions of the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) and the various intergovernmental agreements the US has signed with foreign jurisdictions.' << ahahahahaha l0l!! pay $3k to get the privilege of using this other set of usg banks in
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> how the latter flows from it < dishonest software does not require honest hardware the way i see it << more or less unrelated. dishonest accountand doesn't require dishonest FED nor vice-versa
asciilifeform: phf: they all have fuckin' ~huge~ binaries so far as i'm concerned
BingoBoingo: Note to potential Qntra submitters: If you want to submit a story you think is interesting, but don't think you know how to amp it up... the editors can help with that
trinque: see, I knew there was a BingoBoingo hand involved in that title
BingoBoingo: trinque: It was hdbuck indeed. He came up with the Thunder and I added the Butt, with his approval of course
trinque: in either case, epic lolz
phf: asciilifeform: actually i think the main difference is that sml/nj has a repl and better debug messages. i think these days the two are pretty much on par. shows how much i remember, last time i touched either it was on ibook g3 linuxppc
phf: asciilifeform: yes, i did some ml a while ago. i used sml/nj as a default compiler, afair it had full language coverage and nice emacs support, i would then port code to mlton or mlkit. mlton has a particularly nice feature set, small binaries, everything's unboxed, gc can be tuned, but it's full program optimizer, so at the time i didn't have the patience to use it as my primary compiler.
kakobrekla: how the latter flows from it < dishonest software does not require honest hardware the way i see it
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 19:14:43; kakobrekla: if the bar is so low that most existing and running code contains scamcode, no wonder why noone asks for an honest computer
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278749 << the former's prolly right but i still don't see how the latter flows from it. except for some people, i guess.
asciilifeform is one of those weirdos who skates precisely on the bleeding red edge that separates being able to do your thing, in the above sense, from not.
asciilifeform: they didn't have to do bizarre circus acrobatics to stay fed.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Turbocharger is the one that uses exhaust gasses to provide compression. Supercharger is different, uses engine belt to provide compression. Huge performance difference when it comes to the first couple miles of driving.
asciilifeform: then my original stands.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was gonna say 'doing retarded things to stay in food and roof' but then remembered newton's mint
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: somebody, it appears, stayed awake in freshman physics, and understood that if you revv up the supercharger quickly enough, gas cannot escape at the rate it is generated
mircea_popescu: deeply understood the problems catholic church posed to science via galilo and bruno.
BingoBoingo: Well the engineering trade off of putting a turbo charger in a vehicle is you can increase the fuel economy or power, but the NOx emmisions must increase too
mircea_popescu: yet the same libertard fucktards, or at least the five step removed early ideologists/jesuses of the movement,
asciilifeform: know what else they didn't have to deal with ?
mircea_popescu: once you rape that tiny pore, they're useless.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: like a chinese class where just one kid is expelled for cheating, the interesting story is the ~unwritten~ one concerning why him and not the other 99 flimflammers
mircea_popescu: their balance is very fragile. most of their life is spent trying to distinguish stupid anyway.
mircea_popescu: think of the poor engineers who had to design and put this thing in.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 19:02:42; kakobrekla: >When I last bought a VW (2008) I was concerned due to a clunking noise after first starting it up and driving a few miles; I called the VW service dept and they explained that there was a compressor which captured exhaust fumes and released them at a lower rate for the first few miles of each journey -- to help them meet EPA emissions standards.
asciilifeform: the champ in re: fitsinhead appears to be, mega-unsurprisingly,
asciilifeform: my other objection is that the ~implementation~ usually ends up being ludicrously complex and not-at-all fitsinheady
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 23:09:54; mircea_popescu: the immutability thing can more or less be lied about, because if i have 32gb ram and you need 512 bytes for all you know you're on an "endless" ram machine.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278964 << the way it works, is, approximately, every data structure is treated as something quite like a blockchain.
asciilifeform in basic agreement with the housecat formula, 'if it eats only plant matter, it ~is~ food'
mircea_popescu: here's to hoping they move to africa and live in a commune.
asciilifeform: not partaking in this particular variety of crackpottery, i cannot comment further, but it is logical from their pov
asciilifeform: at least some vegetarians appear to take an interest in 'cell culture meat' as a way of giving the yet-unpersuaded a softer nut to crack on the path to conversion
mircea_popescu: ethics is specifically the system of inquiry specializing in questions which end up with bullet or treebark.
asciilifeform: i didn't say there ~was~ answer...
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 23:07:31; mircea_popescu: the proposition that for intelligent people to work for this shambling mess is deeply unethical is perhaps the most important thing in all ethics since kant.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278960 << the answer, if there is one, is some practical means of saying no that doesn't reduce to 'eat bullet' or 'eat tree bark'
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 23:09:29; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278666 << this is the true problem. and ultimately the reason urbit was nonsense (iirc alf actually even said this at some point, on his blog).
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 23:06:24; mircea_popescu: the proposition is that the usg exists as a system of stupid people, dedicated to the supporting of stupidity and the containing of the threat (to them) presented by intelligence.
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 04:04:02; mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's quite obvious that the b-a conversations consist of both spoken and silent dialogue
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278715 firstly, and most importantly, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-08-2015#1223732 and secondly, most interesting dialogue, not here but in both the livresque as well as actual history of the world, was between two people.
asciilifeform: and the fewer bits i see as salvageable.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 22:15:20; punkman: mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it. << I think you might have to come up << you should probably throw out a bunch of idiocies contained in the canonical rfc
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278910 << there is a good chunk that can be thrown out (things not implemented in classical gpg) but after this you still have a steaming pile of shit.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:53:15; mats: i figured i'd spare log readers from my blathering. and pete_dushenski's background chirping.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 22:01:22; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278566 << it is solved to my satisfaction. if there are two cables involved, the non-tangly approach is to switch overhand once, underhand once, and repeat in this exact pattern. most people always do overhand (or underhand) and so they obtain max tangle. some more intelligent (or just mentally disorganised people) do randomly alternating u/o, which res
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278899 << if the aggregate still flexes, it too will tangle! supposing that it is long enough.
mircea_popescu: always take the later.
asciilifeform: 'food' shorthand for 'things lacking which might as well eat the bullet now vs later'
asciilifeform: i can get on a motherfucking plane tonight if i wanted to. but i don't want to.
asciilifeform: usa is not guarded berlin-style, it is guarded butugychag-style - 'the food is inside this wall. the bears, outside.'
mircea_popescu: i still think they were stupid. but i am starting to ~understand~.
mircea_popescu: i always thought the jews staying behind were incomprehensible.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2014 18:41:22; asciilifeform: 'escape' means there's a missile battery (or, at the threadbare minimum, 24/7 death squad) standing between usg and you.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278893 << usg actually ~respecting~ the renouncements, bought at whatever price, is a joke
mircea_popescu: (THAT is the true altcoin killer. people proceed lazily to imagine that hey, just as money is called euro in eu and dollars in the us, there may be a future with bitcoin and litecoin etc. no, no it may not. money is money, and yes you can call it x in x and y in y, but they are ON THE SAME BLOCKCAIN. euro and dollar settle in the same place.)
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 21:31:10; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277187 <<< a winner is you! looks like ahmed was actually trying to win the nigga lotto https://archive.is/O3lZc
mircea_popescu: there is obviously the ever present cattle tendency to centralize. but that is NOT a good reason to centralize.
cazalla: a lot of people seem to think the domain name is actually a community asset
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:44:13; ascii_field: to my shame, ~i~ habitually read these.
mircea_popescu: dogecoin-esque "PR" of the ilk of "hey, our forum is better than your forum because domain name" serve them well.
btcdrak: ver is sitting on enough bitcoins to make mtgox customers whole... which he should do given his video supporting them in summer of 2014...
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's nothing wrong with xt scamcoin folk having as many forums as they can stand.
mircea_popescu: you're thinking of exactly the opposite situation.
btcdrak: as if ver's shitty use of bitcoin.com wasnt enough, now they create an XT circlejerk forum to mislead even more people.
cazalla: if i were ver, i'd redirect the site to whatever the 2015 equiv of goatse is and tell all the redditors with ideas of how bitcoin.com should actually be used to go fuck themselves
mircea_popescu: i doubt there is anything that is actually beyond our interests' reach.
mircea_popescu: all this within the past... month ?
mircea_popescu: remarkably enough i can't readily figure out a topic b-a would be strictly not interested in. we've discussed art philosophy and history, and matters of identity and forgery, and child rearing and car design and gender identity and indian mysticism and scholarship thereof and of course geopolitics and finance and often enough plumbing and pest control.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:32:59; mats: maybe this is just not the place for me to bring up such discussions, when folks clearly are not interested in this kind of research
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278682 << there is a difference between "not interested", like say someone who wants to play the flute, and simply doesn't care about the stuff you discuss ; and "know better", as in, people who ARE very much interested in the KIND of thing you discuss, who have evaluated it and come to the conclusion it's a big fat 0. those are not "not interested". they were interested.
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 18:36:25; ben_vulpes: from the lulzmine: "Do specialized systems include enhanced security measures consistent with risk analysis?"
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:31:54; ascii_field: the only thing the offerings of usg ~provably~ are able to do is to lighten your wallet.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278679 << no, he has a point, if he wants to find work he benefits from having... how the fuck did that go
mircea_popescu: the immutability thing can more or less be lied about, because if i have 32gb ram and you need 512 bytes for all you know you're on an "endless" ram machine.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:18:00; ascii_field: but there is no such thing, in our universe, as a 'functional' cpu.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278666 << this is the true problem. and ultimately the reason urbit was nonsense (iirc alf actually even said this at some point, on his blog).
mircea_popescu: do not work for a stupid man, nor for a man that works for the ultimate benefit of stupid people. this is the whole of the law.
mircea_popescu: the proposition that for intelligent people to work for this shambling mess is deeply unethical is perhaps the most important thing in all ethics since kant.
mircea_popescu: the proposition that they would be more than willing to blow up the world before they'd take their naturally inferior place in the hierarchy of the world is not so far off.
mircea_popescu: the proposition is that the usg exists as a system of stupid people, dedicated to the supporting of stupidity and the containing of the threat (to them) presented by intelligence.
mircea_popescu: and re the "heckler's idea of conspiracy" : it is not the proposition that the usg consists of some evil overlord petting a cat buried under concrete somewhere while tons of mindless drones to the biddings without complaint. nor is the proposition that a secret conclave of shaved heads secretly meet at my pillar every 5th wednesday.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:16:42; ascii_field: no one who actually ~solves~ problems at the eliminate-a-whole-field level is remotely welcome.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278658 << and why would they be. the correct thing for a research paper to end in is "more research needed" not "forget about this, it's solved."
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:13:51; punkman: so what is the formal language when I grab random bytes off someone's HTTP?
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278653 << well since this ended up in pete's blog... obviously you can make a formal http spec and parser. mongrel had a spiffy one. but then inside we have html, xml, jpegs, mp4s. who's gonna do langsec on libstagefright? on gnupg?
assbot: Overweight man, mistaken for woman, ticketed for exposing breasts at beach | The Valley Report ... ( http://bit.ly/1iooxfx )
BingoBoingo: In other news http://thevalleyreport.com/2015/09/05/overweight-man-mistaken-for-woman-ticketed-for-exposing-breasts-at-beach/
BingoBoingo: Of course. The mansions asciilifeform describes driving by are made of plastic and toothpicks
mircea_popescu: BECAUSE YOURE FUCKING POOR OVER THERE.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in reality, poverty is poverty. the us is very poor, and so everything directed at keeping people from being useful "works". of course it does.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:00:03; BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> usg has a very effective program for soaking them up << I'm pretty sure the push to get people into grad school rather than employment 2007-2011 was exactly this
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278635 << if you're so inclined, the push to make men sexually insecure as a sort of "celebration of womanhood / millitant feminism victory" etc was also exactly it. and the fact that you must spend a full day looking for edibles to find enough edibles to get you through a day. and everything else.
mircea_popescu: the reverse'd be more worrying.
mircea_popescu: utside of the ~EARLY~ naive attempts at "a purely soviet science". early, naive attempts eventually disowned by the politburo itself once russia was richj enough to not be frighteningly poor anymore.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:49:51; ascii_field: the thing is brazen and one-sided enough to make u.s. 'climatology' look good.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278613 << climatologism looks particularly bad because it was so egregious. none of the people involved were any good at any point. the fact that the usg has managed to marshal the equivalent of local mcdonalds supervisors into "science" is really very much calked off the soviets' "here's this apprentice shoemaker who is our expert biologist". it has no known equivalent o
mircea_popescu: (and it would be actually worse an outcome if one were to just pretend agreement with alf, or me, and imagine himself the better of some kid who disagrees or doesn't agree and goes ahead to waste his time.)
mircea_popescu: so i don't think ~you~ are wasting your time digging through the shitpile. you aren't. don't expect us to do it tho, because we would be wasting our time.
mircea_popescu: they're less than worthless if you're the sort of fellow who proceeds naively, and will spend his (limited) time trying to make sense of the nonsense.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 21:38:00; mircea_popescu: obviously they don't want the actual holes to be known, but sticking to their wants so closely begets failure.
mircea_popescu: e equipped with infinite patience may find isolated useful items in that outpour. it is necessarily true however that such finds won't be worth the expense. this is not coincidental - consider the earlier discussion as to how we distinguish usg disinfo from genuinely interesting items. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266663 etc.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:49:12; ascii_field: find me ~someone, anyone~ funded by american dollars who puts forth the opposing view from this.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278610 << the view is valid, if mats is curious of my position. nobody cares about the actual "names" / "careers" involved, as per the pseudoscience article, they can be safely ignored. the important point however is that while usg spends a lot of money on "research", the expenditure is PREDICATED on it being "research", ie, not actual research. it is perhaps true that on
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mircea_popescu: thus in early 2000s, in spite of a 10x increase in border police budget (mostly eu sponsored), the quantity of actual contraband jumped 10x.
mircea_popescu: which they had to spend a year+ learning how to use.
mircea_popescu: tellingly, when the romanian politicians benefitting from cigarette contraband wanted to protect their revenue source, they passed legislation to curtail border police arrest powers in the marshes and bought them expensive detectors for the border points.
mircea_popescu: this attempt to reduce program verification to input verification can'treally be regarded in any terms other than, "an attempt to further entrench the deals going behind your back".
mircea_popescu: program verification is much more about making sure the program doesn't bypass your gate by going behind your back than about making sure it doesn't smuggle undesirable items through your gate.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:34:15; mats: anyway, the langsec idea goes, input validation has a striking similarity to program verification, precluding inputs from driving unexpected state and computation
mircea_popescu: actually the gpg specification is so miserable, a code prototype in the way of bitcoind as an intermediate step to rescuing the standard and restating it properly is prolly unavoidable.
punkman: mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it. << I think you might have to come up << you should probably throw out a bunch of idiocies contained in the canonical rfc
mircea_popescu: to prove properties of the system === to express them in a language with nil expressivity.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:30:41; ascii_field: the funny part is that this is actually how you ~guarantee~ ease of pwnage
mircea_popescu: (cables usually tangle by the plug/unplug cycle. not always, but the same process is at work in "tangling a trodden coil" etc.)
assbot: Emily Blunt apologises for poking fun at her American citizenship | Film | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1OklHp8 )
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278891 http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/sep/18/emily-blunt-apologises-for-poking-fun-at-her-american-citizenship
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278566 << it is solved to my satisfaction. if there are two cables involved, the non-tangly approach is to switch overhand once, underhand once, and repeat in this exact pattern. most people always do overhand (or underhand) and so they obtain max tangle. some more intelligent (or just mentally disorganised people) do randomly alternating u/o, which results in sqrt n tang
mircea_popescu: dude the ignobel this year has been utter bs.
mircea_popescu: MATHEMATICS PRIZE Elisabeth Oberzaucher [AUSTRIA, GERMANY, UK] and Karl Grammer [AUSTRIA, GERMANY], for trying to use mathematical techniques to determine whether and how Moulay Ismael the Bloodthirsty, the Sharifian Emperor of Morocco, managed, during the years from 1697 through 1727, to father 888 children.
mircea_popescu: REFERENCE: "Duration of Urination Does Not Change With Body Size," Patricia J. Yang, Jonathan Pham, Jerome Choo, and David L. Hu, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2014
mircea_popescu: http://www.improbable.com/ig/2009/images/Ketterle-Bodnar-Pamuk-Krugman-400pix.gif <<< ahahaah the bra/facemask
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278501 << seems petey's on a "ferret out the enemies of la revolucion" kick.
mircea_popescu: i get it, the view you're trying to argue against is contentious to you and involves you emotionally. this is fine but also not a problem of it, and consequently while the excuse "im flailing madly because that thing really bothered me" may serve to blind your own evaluator, it won't work similarly for anyone else.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278493 <<< you could improve it by making sense, and you would perhaps manage to make sense if you put some effort into understanding the very basic yet so often overlooked point that a good birthday present is not something YOU would like.
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/davoutplantaire/status/644762089735622656 << well this is actually true. if you don't buttseks the woman with some regularity she'll never be comfortable with it.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 14:28:15; funkenstein_: are at it http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277699 <-- can't defend himself, therefore has no value
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278473 << i doubt anyone seriously proposed there's any value to the destroyed 2yo. the interest, at least to my understanding, stems from the instruction ot be had for one's own life.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_: how about some consistency folks << wut is this inconsistency you has found in the holy scriptures ?
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 14:25:21; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278429 <-- isn't this thing three years old now? iirc there are a number of variants circulating
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277187 <<< a winner is you! looks like ahmed was actually trying to win the nigga lotto https://archive.is/O3lZc
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 13:31:37; mats: i don't get why people enjoy the online card game 'Hearthstone'
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'd have to think on it. TheButterZone if you'd like to submit the piece to qntra using that angle...
mircea_popescu: moreover, notice how they call America "Africa" for some reason. but it's fucking obvious that the place that will be raped throiugh "government sponsored cellphones to stick together with" is the us.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 11:33:04; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278344 >> Of course, this outcome will likely lead to billions of deaths. This is a price we are forced to pay, to avoid the eternal enslavement of humanity to a tiny elite. << the socialist would rather kill everyone than have them be humble servants
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278428 << shocking, isn't it ? o hey, if hitler did it it was bad, but here's out last hope for "humanity" : blow everything to bits!!1 because going back to the stone age was a horrible plan when it was called Nerobefehl buit a spiffy idea when we came up with it (without, as is the socialist habit, even quoting sources!)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278419 << it should perhaps be pointed out that any thinking individuals who happen to be ~15 and female think themselves "weird". one has to be particularly bovine to not notice just how fucking unexpectedly weird being female is, and at that age the observation is novel.
mircea_popescu: danke TheButterZone :)
mircea_popescu: honestly i'd much rather eat from titsbot.
mircea_popescu: you just made a statement. how do you know and how can we verify the truthfulness of it.
mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it.
mircea_popescu: !up TheButterZone
mircea_popescu: (and in most practical circumstances, a good chunk of the benefit of airgapping is that it ipso facto satisfies the above security standard)
mircea_popescu: so. they will be, at best, "relatively independent" as in "sufficient for the task at hand". this is great. so long as the above standard of security is observed.
ascii_field: and if they ~are~ independent, you can give 1MB to me and another 1MB to hitler, and so long as they are not overlapping, hitler does not win
ascii_field: what i was trying to say is that if your rng bits are not independent of one another, you don't have an rng.
mircea_popescu: any program which allows for the attacker to read in any sense the rng is not necessarily owning the box, but necessarily not part of the not-owning-the-box set either
ascii_field: it is more productive to separate 'owned' into two basic categories, read- and write- if you will. sorta like the two basic ways to cheat at cards
mircea_popescu: the interesting notion is, "box was not owned". and the standard for this is, "there is no way for attacker to read /urand"
mircea_popescu: the notion of "box was owned" is never really defined, and intuitively is equated with "have a root prompt". this is uninteresting.
mircea_popescu: they're not "just bits".
ascii_field: obviously if you use the ~same~ rng bits to generate key as you also made available to someone else, then you're dead
mircea_popescu: basic systems security is "attacker should not be able to read the machien rng".
mircea_popescu: you know it occurs to me, this is not necessarily the correct approach to the malleability problem.
ascii_field: the reason for this is that (as anyone who stayed awake in kindergarten ??) knows, rsa operation is malleable
ascii_field: the basic idea of 'padding' is that before you can really use rsa, you have to proclaim 'i will NEVER EVEN consider a blob that doesn't decrypt to this-standard-boilerplate-and-the-payload' - or, in the case of signatures, 'it is ~not~ a signature unless the signed payload is such-and-such-boilerplate-and-THEN-the-actual-payload'
ascii_field: iirc bleichenbacher's attack works with all currently standardized padding (wtf plz can has another word for this !!!) schemes
mircea_popescu: so consequently... they must be.
mircea_popescu: the only correct way would be to PROVE the padding works for the coding scheme. this afaik was never EVEN DISCUSSED let alone attempted, and forget succeeded.
mircea_popescu: mats well the exercise is useful anyway.
ascii_field: btw i'm half-convinced that the existing 'padding' (what a terrible misnomer!) schemes are voodoo.
mats: i'm on my third attempt at this and i still haven't quite wrapped my head around rfc4880 as well as the behavior of various gpg versions
punkman: "The emerging subgenre of climate fiction"
kakobrekla: if the bar is so low that most existing and running code contains scamcode, no wonder why noone asks for an honest computer
kakobrekla: >When I last bought a VW (2008) I was concerned due to a clunking noise after first starting it up and driving a few miles; I called the VW service dept and they explained that there was a compressor which captured exhaust fumes and released them at a lower rate for the first few miles of each journey -- to help them meet EPA emissions standards.
pete_dushenski: like the whole toyota 'unintended acceleration' dealio from ~2008
pete_dushenski: either a) when anything plugs into the obd-ii port, or b) the whole thing is a parallel construction to keep ze germans at bay against tbtf 'domestics'
punkman: I mean the emissions testing
pete_dushenski: "The device is programmed to detect when the car is undergoing official emissions testing, and to only turn on full emissions control systems during that testing. Those controls are turned off during normal driving situations, when the vehicles pollute far more heavily than reported by the manufacturer, the E.P.A. said." << kek
punkman: "An architecture and environment that could lead you into this situation, where you are helpless and wronged and did nothing but what you were told was right, and then punished quite severely, is very wrong. It is the opposite of what a computer and technology should do."
punkman: mats, so what kind of parsing are you doing for the keyserver?
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:41:28; trinque: lost on most is the value of being yelled at by a learned person.
trinque: mats: sometimes people sit back and enjoy the conversation
ascii_field: saves my keyboard the wear, appreciate.
ascii_field: i like to 1) educate people 2) refer to logs in the future
mats: i figured i'd spare log readers from my blathering. and pete_dushenski's background chirping.
mats: so in the future i think i'll be taking these discussions to PM, if this is something you'd be interested in, ascii_field
ascii_field: let the thing die, for fuck's sake.
ascii_field: likewise, 'mitigations' which ultimately prolong the agony of c/c++/c-machine - are works of evil.