mircea_popescu: for that matter, retarded buffalo survival hunters imagined trhey're "directing" the herds.
mircea_popescu: if the glut continued, it'd be "fuck you and sniff diesel".
mircea_popescu: (basically, you're burnhing the diesel as gasoline and have no fucking idea)\
pete_dushenski: diesel is one of the heavier layers iirc
mircea_popescu: it's gone now, mostly because newer refineries slice the column differently
mircea_popescu: this lasted for almost 3 decades, peaking in the 90s.
mircea_popescu: specific technological considerations i am not prepared to discuss in detail made so there was a huge and apparently stable glut of diesel fuel on the market.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo the presidental gmc. aha.
mircea_popescu: 90s is what made the diesel possible. meanwhile oil refineries kicked it out
punkman: mircea_popescu: well sure, the derps might not know what "carbon" actually refers to
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Sure it is. Diesel 1977 Hilux with half the body rusted off > Aluminum gasoline F-150 King Ranch
mircea_popescu: maybe they mean "any gas with specific gravity over 28"
mircea_popescu: for all you know they mean nitric acid.
mircea_popescu: i mean, not disputing for a second it seems like a reasonable interpretation of their verbiage. the problem is that it's the verbiage of patently insae folk.
BingoBoingo: Diesel's kinda always been one of those things that's cool when you have it and sucks when other people do
pete_dushenski: it's this metric and this alone that allowed diesels into the 21st century. outside of farms.
mircea_popescu: is it actually carbon dioxide and they just dunno what side their ass is buttered on ?
mircea_popescu: i still don't even know wtf they mean by "carbon"
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo which they couldn't have done if 'carbon' wasn't the only thing idjits cared about
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: No, VW is evil for pumping estrogenic chemicals in the air and cultivating SJWhales
BingoBoingo: Steroids are the one US controlled class of drugs safer to get off of derpy website than derpy darknet market in the popular opinion
BingoBoingo: Pharma mostly is, bu someone's gotta get the money at retail
BingoBoingo: Basically one of those US laws that helps Mexico's economy at the expense of its own
BingoBoingo: Also Maybe VW really was evil: "If you're concerned about such estrogens, you may want to maintain a safe distance from trucks on the highway. That's because of research findings that diesel-fuel exhaust contains chemicals called alkylphenols, which interact with cellular estrogen receptors to exert potent estrogenic activity.3 Diesel exhaust particles have previously been linked to lung cancer, allergic rhinitis and asthma."
BingoBoingo: In USia schedule III controlled, but because hippies dun like them rarely prosecuted outside of sports
BingoBoingo: In other news, apparently reddit has had its own drug market for some time https://www.reddit.com/r/Steroidsourcetalk
mircea_popescu: like all attempts at humor by the mentally stunted libertard class, it backfired something fierce.
pete_dushenski: as if this somehow made them more transparent and accountable
pete_dushenski: it sorta lulzy how the usg actually has 'czar of xyz'
mircea_popescu: out of what, their rotten ovaries ?
mircea_popescu: let me guess, if tomorrow the USG Comissar uh i mean Czar In Charge Of What This Particular Set Of Idle Fucktards Thinks says that the blockchain impedes great justice and should be edited so and so to promote "fairness" they'll... oppose ? resist ?
mircea_popescu: and who the fuck told these that a "blockchain technologee" works when a centrally controlled group like that is the only thing interested ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck gives a shit about "sourcing" of diamonds outside a very cultish narrow segment of bored middle class art majors/social scientards ?
pete_dushenski: "As far as Overstock, which has said it plans to offer blockchain-recorded securities to a wider audience, Byrne says the company’s had productive talks with the agency so far. "I think," he says, "that they’re gonna let the crypto-revolution occur." " << oh pleeeease let it occur. with sugar on top.
pete_dushenski: "One London-based startup, called Everledger, is developing blockchain tools for the diamond industry, designed to log information on ethical sourcing, insurance claims, and theft investigations, associated with detailed digital descriptions of the valuable stones. CEO Leanne Kemp: "You would be able to identify whether those diamonds are truly certified or not certified," " << so like deedbot but less useful so
mircea_popescu: http://www.dianacoman.com/2015/10/13/hic-sunt-flotsams-on-eulora-or-the-brand-new-foxymaps/ <<< if any gnuplot experts in audience would kindly improve on the script tyvm in advance.
pete_dushenski: "[Volkswagen] investments are to be reduced by some one billion euros per year, the efficiency program is to be accelerated." << never waste a good crisis. adios unionistas.
mircea_popescu: it's not like a large rock is more complex than a smaller rock. they're rocks. exactly the same thing.
punkman: and probably a bunch of them trying to sell ads
ascii_field: what did they ~do~
pete_dushenski: "Twitter has said it is cutting 336 jobs, roughly 8% of its global workforce, as part of a restructuring of the business. The job cuts will cost between $10m (£6.5m) and $20m in severance pay, while the restructuring will cost between $5m and $15m, the company said." << sex sells. except when it's a platform for sex.
ascii_field: not hard. but my attention span was. and this was the time we finally got net access.
ascii_field: definitely past the hammers
mircea_popescu: the two chicks on silver dragon/velociraptors ?
mircea_popescu: how far did you get ? the two laughing fat dudes with hammers ?
mircea_popescu: and... the game hung.
mircea_popescu: once i managed to defeat them.
mircea_popescu: the LAST item was TWO gold knight guys
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it had a solo mode remember that ? like, not the proper campaign, just a sort of duel chain.
mircea_popescu: don't give me that, i had computers that worked back when i was playing golden axe on them.
ascii_field: today there is just a hut with walls made of straw & monkey shit.
ascii_field: perhaps there was in 1995.
ascii_field: there is no temple.
mircea_popescu: the "males" especially.
mircea_popescu: fucking ustards. everything they touch turns to shit both ways. it's like... a bunch of monkeys that invaded a temple, and now not only is everything covered in shit but you gotta listen to arguments in between the set of monkeys that believes in throwing the shit at the walls and the set of monkeys that believes in gently unctioning it on.
mircea_popescu: i never knew i could equally hate both sides of a "debate" to the degree.
mircea_popescu: under a certain level, the money'[s actually smarter than you.
mircea_popescu: is the last line in that rant "i'm so sick of you losers i'm going to go find a master to sleep at the feet of" ?
mircea_popescu: you can't do anything, ands you wouldn't know what to do on your own either. this is what being poor means
mircea_popescu: because that's what i fucking read in there. "i'm poor and where's my chocolate fountain."
mircea_popescu: ascii_field and do you go "shit honey, check out our place, there's like... not even any chocolate fountain here" ?
mircea_popescu: FUCK THE POOR
mircea_popescu: but yes the alternative is giving up the delusion that derp belongs to a civilisation he once saw through a window.
ascii_field: because the alternative is sitting on a sharp broomstick ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i haven't any idea who wrote the linked text. but clearly it is someone fed up with having to shovel the shit to create his local 'clean'.
ascii_field: glyphs, 'clipboard', viewport shape, the lot.
ascii_field: as it is, i can take x11 proggy and the result is ~indistinguishable~ from running it locally.
ascii_field: but for it to look THE SAME as if it were running local
ascii_field: and want the graphics on local terminal
BingoBoingo: I like the irony of new graphicx stax requires X11 to run on top of in this port
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 21:09:34; asciilifeform: PeterL: most 'alternatives for x11' dispense with the everything-can-be-piped-over-tcp
BingoBoingo: It's the rare actually interesting new comment on /. that isn't copypasta
BingoBoingo: Its too bad, in some way we, the normal people who do good things for ourselves and our customers and our employers, really have better job security with breaking fuckheads like you around. But I want to have our computers spend time you know curing cancer or designing a fusion reactor and doing useful shit rather than cleaning up after your dog shit"
ascii_field: 'You have the fucking time to fuck shit up. That is what you are saying. Most normal people on nights and weekends fuck their significant others, go to parks with the kids and enjoy life. But you spend your nights and weekends writing dog shit that fucks up my weeks. We are paid to fix the damage you do.' << mega-winner
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ok, upwards alabama then << That one is pronounced Mo-Bee-le
jurov: and prolly he wasn't paying for the grinder plates
ben_vulpes: i never understood why he used the extremely obvious and needing-of-power grinder instead of a torch
ascii_field: but perhaps mircea_popescu witnessed the famous and respected hero, Angle Grinder Man
mircea_popescu: i think maybe he got the joke.
mircea_popescu: ok, upwards alabama then
ascii_field: not the one i live in
mircea_popescu: isnt the country supposed to be upwards mobile ?
mircea_popescu: any ustard that lives in the same place for more than five years is a failure anyway
mircea_popescu: sounds like a good reason to hang them eh.
ben_vulpes: those long term residents actually can predict the problems statal intervention will result in.
ben_vulpes: those policies were pushed through. The biggest obstacle to safe biking on Clinton is the excess of parked cars. Will the new parking policies still under discussion help to address this? It seems like Clinton Street should be the number one priority for parking permits and removal of nonresident cars (including those coming from all the new multifamily development). This would be a better restriction than imposing more impediments on
ben_vulpes: Recent changes to the Division Clinton neighborhood have come at the expense of long time residents. With each new change, residents raise their concerns, only to be ignored. Then when the undesirable outcome materializes, the city proposes yet another change that further damages our quality of life. It was evident, when traffic and development projects came to Division, that these would result in more congestion along Clinton. Yet
ben_vulpes: thereby igniting a whole poorly advised career
ben_vulpes: some kind soul took pity on me and gave me their acetylene torch
mircea_popescu: by which i mean : he has a handheld powertool in one hand, and a four inch metal plate in the other hand, and he's cutting a shape out of it
mircea_popescu: ok this is the most insane thing i ever saw. so plumber, looks like he escaped comicon or something, dorkiest dude ever. but THEN he proceeds to CUT THROUGH METAL PLATE FREEHAND
ben_vulpes: that one can kill the sks?
ben_vulpes: subkeys. i hear they're no good.
mike_c: bloat keys to high hell, make service download and choke on them.
mircea_popescu: i thought YOU MANUFACTURED THESE
mircea_popescu: i read it in the atlantic so it must be true.
ascii_field: now mircea_popescu, find a fast machine with hardware rng and run n = 21474837. then, shoot it into pgp.mit.edu ...
mircea_popescu: should be interesting to see media reports about the obama's preteen whore key.
mircea_popescu: iirc it was agreed that once we have a proper server these will crash and burn because well.
mircea_popescu: i thought you were testing if the gpg crashes.
mike_c: you missed the 0x
ascii_field: fire the weapon yourself.
mircea_popescu: well if it doesn't pop in half hour ima... what ? give you the pubkey ?
ascii_field: or shall i simply post the latter.
ascii_field: the gun - is ready
ascii_field: ok who'll be the victim
mircea_popescu: the biological sign of success as a parent is that your kids couldn't give less of a shit about you. that's how maturity works. look at any fucking mammal out there.
mircea_popescu: spends 500 posts lambasting "narcisism" in others, proceeds to " How I answer this will affect the rest of her life". because why ?
mircea_popescu: in the end, it does not matter how smart you personally are.
ascii_field: '...so the room would be empty!'
mircea_popescu: go me, i just won all the ballas parenting points, and the bitch ain't even my daughter.\
mircea_popescu: I've mentally practiced this moment, and dozens others like it. For some I even have a script. I know how I want her to think, to make decisions for herself free of outside influences. The trick is how to teach her that, how to make it part of the way she thinks, reflexive."
mircea_popescu: Maybe you think this is a simple yes or no question, but it's not, everything becomes strategy. How I answer this will affect the rest of her life, how she'll answer her own questions and set goals and limits for herself. This is a scrimmage to teach her position. Am I smart enough as a parent? Am I ready?
mircea_popescu: "I was about to pull the covers up, and she looks at me and says, "Daddy, are all doctors daddies and all nurses mommies?"
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297948 << Nah, in old playboy the "safety" was bush
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: shall we repeat the silence ?
ascii_field: who wants to be the victim
ascii_field: i'll repeat the question
ascii_field: ok which one of you wants to be the victim
mircea_popescu: on the dld pass at least.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field given the wonders of bzip, it's not even sure it has to actually be that big.
mircea_popescu: no, because the logical way to do this is make keys outside of hte control of their owners. because logic.
pete_dushenski wonders if there's a way to 'unsign' keys. assumes not.
mircea_popescu: if foss, then overflow. definitely.
ascii_field: if overflow, then definitely.
mircea_popescu: well you want to exploit the necessary overflow.
pete_dushenski: i just noticed that o'brien signed my key the other week. though i've yet to ask him why.
mircea_popescu: anyway, pete_dushenski : someone (o'brien) signed your key and uploaded it to one of the servers. the result is a different pubkey there.
ascii_field saw, but 'not from a good life', has looked at a great many of these.
mircea_popescu: yeah well it's printed right there, sure, in a sea of other shit printed right there. i did not see it.
ascii_field: c'mon, 'm^d mod n' printed right there
mircea_popescu: i don't see how a sub's mod woulkd change because of the packet order.
punkman: is the bottom part changed because some subpackets got rearranged?
punkman: yeah so you get wot sigs when you grab a key from the keyserver
mircea_popescu: da fuck is this then.
ascii_field: and then forgot
pete_dushenski: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x165749929F9A6BDD << this then.
pete_dushenski: can someone explain to me why pgp public key blocks appear to differ while resulting in the same public key being imported ? are differenct hash algorithms being used ?
pete_dushenski: at least in this part of the world
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2015 03:15:13; mircea_popescu: thjat's why borax gets them. it scratches their carpace, they lose water.
mircea_popescu: well... i grew up in yurp. the swiss pronz was great.
mircea_popescu has never actually bought any opf these.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: iirc it had 'cunt with the safety on'
mircea_popescu: anywya. the migration of old porn brands towards softcore and then bedroom, bath ^ beyond is inevitable.
mircea_popescu: i thought the whole thing hustler did was that playboy didn't have cunt in it so flint put cunt in hustler.
punkman: "The company now makes most of its money from licensing its ubiquitous brand and logo across the world — 40 percent of that business is in China even though the magazine is not available there — for bath products, fragrances, clothing, liquor and jewelry among other merchandise. Nudity in the magazine risks complaints from shoppers, and diminished distribution."
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: a 1990 issue of su 'наука и жизнь' had a letter to the editor concerning this meme, freshly introduced to su
ascii_field: and the smiling infants on 'baby food'
mircea_popescu: wouldn't it be more logical to have wolves and foxes on the packaging ?
mircea_popescu: honestly, i am a bit puzzled by all these dancing pigs and excited chicks used to market animal flesh.
ascii_field: there are ru emigres in usa who habitually ate tinned food sold for cat, not out of poverty, but because it seemed entirely logical that quality canned fish ought to have a picture of a cat on the tin, and tastes just like the other cans
ascii_field: one time, pet went on a visit to a household in the middle states where they habitually ate petrocheese
mircea_popescu: note that both spreading and eating works. so there is that.
mircea_popescu: mimolette exists because the dutch imported cheese was TOO EXPENSIVE. and about half the respected cheeses exist for similar reasons.
mircea_popescu: am i the only one aware that schlitz is "urination opening in male pants" in yidish and so amused at the notion ?
ascii_field: the cost of actual cheese, in usa, per-gram, approaches that of silver
binaryatrocity: Wisconsin is known for cheese, the largest city in said state is known as "Brew City", as many of the current mass-produced american beers found their start here
ascii_field: the beer is created when u.s. folks barf
ascii_field: they make small quantities of actual cheese, even.
mircea_popescu: wait wasn't oregon the beer state ? i thought wisconsin mostly made the plastic cheese.
binaryatrocity: signing and posting messages between multiple accounts with the same name serves as some proof that they are controlled by the same entity
binaryatrocity: the point is that anyone can go make a Reddit account with my nym
binaryatrocity: You could again sign a message with your key stating that Twitter or some other entity is posting to your Twitter account? lol
binaryatrocity: sure, you have no proof of real-world identity, but you have 'proof' that control of both accounts is had by the same entity
binaryatrocity: you can reasonably assume that both accounts are owned/controlled by the same person, namely "that guy i know on Github"
mircea_popescu: there's a huge difference between something like http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/bundle-378272.txt and a nude statement on a website.
mircea_popescu: well actually, the saying so on twitter is proof.
binaryatrocity: I understand what you're saying, Keybase could not exist and you could still do the same process of "proofs", signing a message and positing it to Twitter saying this is me achieves the same thing
ascii_field: something like the reason why the church never countenanced the various attempts to weigh the dying to learn the mass of escaping soul, etc
mircea_popescu: today in b-a news : all questions are the same question!
HeySteve: mike_c, any idea why they don't implement a gribble/assbot verification system to solve the problem?
mircea_popescu: actually mike has it. this is i agree the best avenue to approach the problem. this is what's "evil", binaryatrocity : that in the pursuit of a fundamentally, inescapably false bit of fiction, you are asked to forfeit your actual life.
mike_c: this is the problem - imaginary "credibility"
mike_c: why? what would make me take that leap? because they are on the same keybase page that somebody set up?
mircea_popescu: the reasonable assumption is a beast that wasn't yet born.
binaryatrocity: I'd imagine more the other way around, if you already 'followed' me on Twitter, you'd reasonably be able to assume that the other 'accounts' listed are also owned/controlled by that-person
mike_c: the problem with keybase is that it's smoke and mirrors. there isn't any actual link between those things, but it is pretending there is
mike_c: that I somehow know that it's not somebody else posting those twitter messages because the same public key and twitter address are listed on some keybase page?
mircea_popescu: last fucking thing a spammer wants is the attention of intelligent people.
mircea_popescu: i think it might be related to the spam discussion. "why is spam misspelled ? not because they can't hiore an editor. but because the demographic."
ascii_field: https://cryptome.org/2015/10/assassination-reciprocity.htm << lulzy. when will these folks learn to pgp ?
mircea_popescu: so then redit is exactly correct.
ascii_field: those folks aren't using the net as such. they're using sms (and, the occasional arsebook)
mircea_popescu: not the northrop ceo, i'll bet you.
mircea_popescu: gee, i dunno. the fact they exist, as opposed to squirming in a lake full of its own guts ?
mircea_popescu: and then in the same day ima have to explain to well intentioned fellows what is evil about usg-tronics.
ascii_field: idk, when i link article in en there, it brings in a deluge of burned bandwidth
mircea_popescu: anmd then reddit will go "see ? |REDDIT DRIVES TRAFFIC!!11"
davout: what's the subreddit?
mircea_popescu: "well if you're already there it looks like there's people there". sure. same is true of grand central station
ascii_field: 'i'm on arsebook, but i have a brain!' 'good work, now arsebook can say, 'some of our users have brains!'' lubing up the chumpatronic intake hopper.
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2015 16:16:53; mircea_popescu: binaryatrocity that's not wqhat it does. what it does is, it allows keybase.io to PRETEND like they're relevant, based on your own work.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297760 << this is the basic vampirism on which the 'sv' huckster set lives.
mircea_popescu: turns out the number s supplied was inaccurate.
mircea_popescu: some others... be happy for $500
mircea_popescu: no i mean - some old cars are actually more expensive old than they evere were new.\
binaryatrocity: Ford has owned Lincoln since like the 50's
binaryatrocity: Yes i am currently reading them. I also have a job to do, was hoping for a succinct answer, oh well, I'll read at my leisure. Thank you.
jurov: read them
jurov: it's in the logs
mircea_popescu: binaryatrocity it's not that simple. that's just a symptom. keybase is bad because is made by the enemy, to suit the agenda of the enemy. the compromise key is just a symptom of this fundamental allignment with evil.
binaryatrocity: Yes, yes I understand that keybase is bad because they allow the option for users to compromise their own private keys
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you know more poor people buy status symbol items on credit than rich people buy them cash ?
ascii_field: my office window faces a parking lot. there is a 'welfar' office nearly. a couple just parked, carrying out a cradle with a kid. they parked... a brand new 'jaguar'.
binaryatrocity: It stores the associations in a 'familiar' and accessible manner
jurov: binaryatrocity: and then the private keys of other derps leak, how will you explain "but it's not me" ?
mircea_popescu: binaryatrocity that's not wqhat it does. what it does is, it allows keybase.io to PRETEND like they're relevant, based on your own work.
mircea_popescu: pushing a point, sending an ack to a http server is pretty much the same as sending an ack to any other http server.
binaryatrocity: it allows someone who is looking for your public key to access it, based on information they may already know about you
jurov: i see "basically the same functionality"
binaryatrocity: Storing your PUBLIC key on Keybase to be access by whomever is the equivalent to uploading your public key to the MIT keyserver
jurov: "popping your private key into your browser" IS NOT "the same vein as pgp.mit.edu is used" !!!
mircea_popescu: this is the sort of thing one can't understand from outside.
mircea_popescu: that's ok, we don't like github either.
binaryatrocity: I see your point, the public-facing info can be useful though, sure there might be no real tangible benefit to tying your github to your gpg key that you couldn't achieve in a different manner, but it does provide a clean interface
mircea_popescu: but hanging out / using people who do a bad thing, even if they're not doing it to you, is dubious.
punkman: binaryatrocity: one, it is/was all javascript, two, it used to "backup" your private keys to their server
binaryatrocity: Obviously popping your private key into your browser is asking for a bad-time, but in the same vein as pgp.mit.edu is used, it's basically teh same functionality?
binaryatrocity: Just looking for some reasoning behind the hate, feel free to tell me I'm an idiot.
binaryatrocity: but I left the key to my chastity belt at home, so I'm safe!? :D
mircea_popescu: a perfectly sound if rather uncommon stance.
mircea_popescu: sorta like hanging out at the rape club is a-ok because you're only getting drinks anyway.
binaryatrocity: I'm not trusting them with my private key, it's just a sane profile to store the public and link me to domains etc i might control?
binaryatrocity: but as basically another keyserver, no problem with keybase right?
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2015 14:06:35; asciilifeform: binaryatrocity: and consider moving away from keybase. generate a civilized key on your own hardware, sign it with the old, and quit sharing private key with the enemy.
mircea_popescu: "and we'll make medicine work that way too because there can only be one of anything"
mircea_popescu: "oh, we don't have the continental legal system here - we have an adversarial system" good for you