gabriel_laddel: look, there are tradeoffs to be made
trinque: might try operating the thing better first
gabriel_laddel glances to the side, sees 10 orange crush cans.
punkman: was quite tired, had the strangest dreams
punkman: gabriel_laddel: doesn't the coffee pill make your sleep weird?
mircea_popescu: wait, you were gonna go weaboo all over the xbox line but then slept through the opening ?
gabriel_laddel: (for the record, taking a regular caffine pill before sleep doesn't wok)
mircea_popescu: you do whatevs you feel like. if you're happy with it carry on, eventually you'll either die or have enough of it.
gabriel_laddel: that I should take the broomstick approach?
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I enjoyed the fuck out of going to buy $CENSORED and was really excited about it, but ended up sleeping through the allotted time.
trinque: I enjoyed the fuck out of winning at that game so I did
trinque: the sergeant's screaming had nothing to do with my waking up
trinque: to be grinning with a "fuck you" to the sergeant that'd come busting into my room screaming hoping I was still asleep
trinque: and I went to a few pretend military camps in the summer and woke up myself every morning while there
trinque: except I didn't give a fuck to, and my mother woke me up with breakfast and all my shit ready to go
trinque: yeah I "never could wake up" as a teenager either
gabriel_laddel: trinque: people have screamed things of this nature at me when I would miss the little school I went to
trinque: if you're bitching about waking up in the morning I think you haven't suffered enough
trinque: or maybe *you* wouldn't but the normal human mind can decide it can do all kinds of things when it must
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I've lived with myself for 23 years, and have at no point been able to wake up sanely. I try it with these caffine pills and et viola! I wake up like a normal human!
trinque: these types of experiences (and they're probably the cheapest version) will rid you of that nonsense in a moment
trinque: the reason I mentioned it is that you are so sure of your model of yourself
trinque: accepted he might die, then found it within himself to be a man and swim his ass back to what felt like shore, and he did
trinque: this is where he gets dumped in the ocean on mushrooms
gabriel_laddel: I understand the point you're making, but simply don't find that it applies to my situation.
trinque: you're doing the same thing.
mircea_popescu: he had diabethes. according to him, he could not take the medicine. except with honey.
gabriel_laddel: and the whole process of brushing teeth takes like 1 hour
mircea_popescu: there's somewhere in the log this observation, you can't learn medicine on yourself.
gabriel_laddel: othewise I wake up and hate myself, am unable to open my eyes etc
gabriel_laddel: for example, taking the EasyUp before going to sleep
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: look, there are some things that I *know* make my body work better
gabriel_laddel: I know more than they do.
trinque: ahaha, this is excellent due to the gentoo-as-ricer-car mockery
mircea_popescu: it's an industrial fucking product, you think they don't know what you know ?
mircea_popescu: <gabriel_laddel> and then I spend more time hacking apart portage than I would have otherwise << no you don't. this is like the ridiculous notion of teenagers that they'll make a car "better".
gabriel_laddel: "I am the guy who coded for 40 hrs" < ?
gabriel_laddel: lol, I'm not doing it for other people
trinque: "I am the guy that coded for 40 hrs."
trinque: and then what happens?
trinque: what is the goal? so you stay awake for 40 hrs
gabriel_laddel: they stay awake for 40 ish hours with no issues.
trinque: those may be different chemistry; I'm still chewing on the article as I said!
gabriel_laddel: trinque: it seems to me that the other thing missing from this discussion is that we've all very different chemistry.
trinque: have you ever really considered the fact that you will soon die?
gabriel_laddel: it's a horrid slog through boring nonsense, depression, the works.
gabriel_laddel: and the multiple day reading binges
gabriel_laddel: trinque: the problem I have with being coffee-free isn't the stress, but rather that I miss having my thoughts race around
trinque: I've quit it entirely before, feels like shit, but a lot of the "stress" I was feeling back then was the several cups of coffee per day I was drinking.
gabriel_laddel: with coffee there are all sorts of weird things: like whenever I have a bike pass me by, I sort of envision it running into me.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, the fact that placebo is nothing short of crazy is an open secret in clinician circles.
gabriel_laddel: nah, the caffine effect is different.
gabriel_laddel: like, you're just standing and then the stray thought "hey, it'd be nice to fall into bed, except there isn't a bed her" flies through your mind?
gabriel_laddel: trinque: do you have the effect of almost fainting sometimes?
trinque: but it affects goddamn everything all over the body
gabriel_laddel: trinque: you're right. I've not even read the article yet.
trinque: taking anxiety as an example; the worst thing you can do is try to avoid it.
gabriel_laddel: This is fucking nonsense. I *cannot* will myself to get up in the morning after 23 years of never having to.
trinque: that is, as long as you can convince yourself you have a good chance at being in the state you want to be in ;)
trinque: mircea_popescu | http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/08/no_one_likes_a_sure_thing.html << I've been chewing on this for the last few hours. There's a lot here. gabriel_laddel, it would seem that not only could you will yourself focus, but *generally* will yourself anything from the possible mental states.
mircea_popescu: which is why nsa is the internet forum pisspot.
asciilifeform: quite a bit of lateral motion and unclear separation of concern between the spetzagencies
mircea_popescu: the only kind that counts : by intellect.
mircea_popescu: oh but there is.
asciilifeform: (if there ever once was.)
asciilifeform: there is not a meaningful separation between various seekrit skvirrels in usa today
mircea_popescu: except ss knows enough about this to not want to touch it, so the aspirational down kids over at dod get a chance to shine.
mircea_popescu: the problem here is that dod is uniquely unequipped to do this. this is a job for the ss, which is WHY they handlwe counterfitting in the first place.
mircea_popescu: they got a stretched asshole the size of the gulf, and they're gonna work towards stitching it back together ?
asciilifeform: 'The Department of Defense shall work with other U.S. Government (USG) departments and agencies and with partner nations to deny, disrupt, or defeat and degrade adversariesÂ’ ability to use global licit and illicit financial networks to negatively affect U.S. interests.'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform speaks with the studded and corpulent anal pineapple of experience
asciilifeform: 'used to it, then depressed' followed by 'can't quit usa because that's where they serve up $x'
asciilifeform: entirely pertinent, even if the wrong article.
mircea_popescu: "the cream of what nature can offer, best roe, of which in principle a person no matter how rich still should only consume limited amounts for a very simple reason : if you do not alternate with inferior product you wiull become used to it, and then depressed. intelligent people eat it once a month and live happilly ever after."
asciilifeform: there was one about how to smoke, i distincly recally.
asciilifeform: hm. perhaps was thinking of another.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is the article about how to feed whores caviar.
asciilifeform: actually the relevant piece here is mircea_popescu's own 'how to smoke' article.
mircea_popescu: after a few years you can take it by the gram.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you have any idea whbat the tolerance to benzo-* is like ?
asciilifeform: in every country there was a separate name for it, for some odd reason
gabriel_laddel: widely used in the war effort.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not the muscle relaxant!!
mircea_popescu: "no, parkinson, this is a legitimately defined disease with a biological backing. no, he is actually measuring the chemistry involved, dopamine. no, actually." etc
gabriel_laddel: I'm rather envious of the 50s. You could get benzedrine otc, and it was widely used by e.g., Norbert Wiener
mircea_popescu: i just had the girls lined up with their mouths open while i swore as to the various aspects
mats: e.g. distracting euphoria, I could still sleep while on the tail end of a 100mg dosage 7-8hrs in
trinque: I would wager this is more to do with "wow, this is what a smart person must feel like" and thereby actually doing some work than the effect of the chemical.
mircea_popescu: this shit isn't free. in the time you took to research it and the time it takes you to earn what it costs you coulda caught up on sleep.
asciilifeform: in the magical room where you only do things you want to do.
mats: I liked moda because it was, for me, an adderall without the negative effects,
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mats: curious about BBs opinion on the subject of moda, and more broadly, 'nootropics'
mircea_popescu also started his final thesis in college 5 months early, and was done with it about a month and a half before it was supposed to be turned in.
mircea_popescu never binge studied either. wtf, if it's not worth reading normally it's not worth reading.
asciilifeform: because it is a very peculiar kind of dope, which does (as far as most folks notice, or - for the most part - across a few million eaters / a few decades of sales) precisely one thing.
asciilifeform: no side effect either.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's probable. i have a poor reaction to many of these.
mats: for folks curious about moda, gwern had written extensively on the subject
mats: the most experience I've had with testing chemicals is using various reagents to ensure I was consuming actual mdma
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I agree with you, but the *amount of work* I get done when caffinated, and the amount of fun I have doing it makes it simply impossible to do otherwise.
asciilifeform: mats: recrystallize a few pills and find the melting point (it isn't hard.) you might be in for a surprise.
mats: no. but my understanding is that the operators buy the generics from indian rx mfgs and resell the stuff
asciilifeform: last i checked, every spamarmacy is actually shipping indian adrafinil, which rots the liver.
gabriel_laddel: furthermore, I have actually quit coffee now, twice.
gabriel_laddel: If you do, I'd love to hear them.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I try to make a point of drinking less, and it works. for a while. then I'm back to a pot or two a day.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: the amout of liquid is irritating.
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mats: i'm seeing a lot of results for tents with the 'easyup' search query
mircea_popescu: because the french are that weird.
mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/c80020b1c225b7fc5d20c5d95f8e0128/tumblr_mlzz0fq9bd1s9ngl0o1_1280.jpg << this is known in french as "l'embarras du choix", which means "the shame of the cauliflower".
mircea_popescu: yeah, i lived there.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: fixing only the tabs is easy
mats: mircea_popescu: i'm envious. boston is under siege during the winter... i believe last year was the snowiest on record, ~110in
gabriel_laddel: (the pixie "look and feel" doesn't work with tabs though)
asciilifeform: afaik with clim it's athena or nothing.
asciilifeform: the 'default ghastly gui of x11'
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the ancient mit project from which those gui elements (e.g. the scroll bar) came
mircea_popescu: <mats> laying in bed, naked, listening to 'Channel Orange', that was nice << you know ba weather is nude indoors weather throughout the year.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: athena?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: the debugger works too!
asciilifeform: but afaik nobody uses it, most folks run emacs+slime even there.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: afaik there is precisely 1 commercial common lisp ide
asciilifeform: 'the secret strange hole in his dubious pew' (tm) (r) (mircea_popescu's www)
mircea_popescu: "They are better educated than previous generations and they were raised by baby boomers who lavished a lot of attention on their children," said Andrew Kohut [the director of the Pew Research Center.]
asciilifeform: 'there are many bad mirrors, this one is mine'
mircea_popescu: so it technically is just another bad mirror ?
mircea_popescu: or is it an utter and impredictable mess in the manner of everything else foss ?
mircea_popescu: q : is there a way to actually publish this as a discrete item ?
mircea_popescu: the point is appearing to do a job.
gabriel_laddel: wtf is the *point* if I can't go back in time to something stable.
gabriel_laddel: I was shocked to find out that they only keep the couple most recent versions of everything in the master repository.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: have you, or will you be emailing any of the gentoo mirror maintainers asking around for backups?
mircea_popescu: "There is absolutely no way that anyone who reads The Economist can have concluded that Europe has surpassed America in anything not involving riots, in the way that no one who reads Maxim can conclude that acne is in vogue."
mircea_popescu: dumbass vc "losing interest" is the best thing that ever happened to bitcoin huh.
mircea_popescu: "the greatest peacock i ever saw!" "that's a human from rockefeller center" "but i see no penis ?!?!"
asciilifeform: but they don't crick..
mircea_popescu: but where doesw the cock go ?!
asciilifeform: on the wall.
asciilifeform: the white cables: 220v.
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/oTRtC00 << left: the biggest spiders i've ever seen outside of a collection
asciilifeform: (center, by the support column)
asciilifeform: the underside of my sorry hovel. turns out, the water hookup is THROUGH A RUBBER HOSE
trinque: this is the kind of shit that drives me crazy
trinque: adlai: tried cl-irc, turned off my wifi until the test nick was disconnected on freenode's end, and connectedp still returns T on the cl-irc end
mircea_popescu: this is actually a very interesting theory.
mircea_popescu: "I've rarely met an ADHD kid who sleeps enough, and I've never met an ADHD adult or adolescent who does. When a kid is sleep deprived, he gets hyper; they are too tired to be inhibited, too tired to exert self-control."
shinohai: There used to be a tranny pr0n site that accepted btc for subscriptions.
asciilifeform: the latter.
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/d4ace669ad744c1724c91318264797d0/tumblr_nt8hwwVTzu1tra78fo1_400.gif
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mircea_popescu: i would expect that is the default.
mircea_popescu: Sandy Beaches Brothels.
mircea_popescu: "It's not our fault - it's in the name!"
assbot: There Is a Huge Backlog of Ships Waiting to Pass Through the Panama Canal - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuwjQu )
kakobrekla: https://gcaptain.com/there-is-a-huge-backlog-of-ships-waiting-to-pass-through-the-panama-canal/ < increase the blocksize nao!!
assbot: Logged on 24-10-2015 18:57:10; asciilifeform: and that atrocity in the desk photo is ?!
adlai: no, but you'll have an easier time building that with the condition system than if you're using $blub
trinque: every bot I've used, someone highly recommended it, and then I end up having to hit the thing with a wrench to do what I'd expect should come with the definition of "IRC bot"
trinque: today I'm actually working on his replacement, which when complete I will provide sources. I'm starting from the bottom (stay online, keep your nick, no seriously) so do not know when it will be complete.
trinque: adlai: he got ahead of himself and double-spent an output, then lost track of which output to use. I've fixed the db, and expect that he's back on track.
adlai: deedbot put the hash in the blockchain, assbot put the content in the cloud, what more does a man need?
trinque: btcd is barfing on the transaction for some reason
trinque: right, when you say "had to be submitted twice" I expected that it didn't accept one of them
trinque: adlai: might have to do with whenever the last block happened
adlai: trinque: deedbot.org is not showing the latest deed
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Why A Story About Russian Spies Who Use Facebook? ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJSLaX )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/07/why_a_story_about_russian_spie_1.html << i lollered.
mircea_popescu: in other news, finding http://33.media.tumblr.com/41f654aec95486dfcf3d548c496de998/tumblr_nqjcrdlQRa1r2svjro1_500.gif erotic
mircea_popescu: in other news, intel finally teased out tlp's email. if anyone cares, he's 52. etc.
jurov: since there is no gento pypy maintainer, it's running into dep problems
jurov: tangentially related, i have done the mistake of emerging pypy and enabling it systemwide
mircea_popescu: "so toxoplasmosis is basically a conspiracy against rat's best interests ?" "no. it's basically a selected accident. all the other accidents that didn't close the cycle didn't live to get a name."?
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Another Diagnosis Of Schizophrenia, This Time With Cats ... ( http://bit.ly/1MZJvO5 )
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/06/another_diagnosis_of_schizophr.html >> quite worth a read.
asciilifeform: (namely, in other distros you are not trying to ~build~ the world, and are not thus exposed to the fact that most of it is not deterministically buildable any more without generous helpings of blood magic)
asciilifeform: gentoo simply appears to be the worst-looking horse in the glue factory on account of not having a protective coating of bullshit
asciilifeform: and much of the disease is not specific to this one linux variant but to the entire ecosystem
asciilifeform: but there is NO REPLACEMENT FOR IT
asciilifeform: i cannot escape the observation that i am keeping alive a very sad and sickly thing
asciilifeform puts this on list of what to do with the replacement for dulap, when such appears
asciilifeform: and get the tarballs where ?
asciilifeform: perhaps where they have tentacles.
asciilifeform: a good deal of modern hardware looks as if it were designed for inhabitants of some other planet
mircea_popescu: ya that too. "oh you could put the laptop on a table" well fuck you then, i could jkuist use a kbd ?
mircea_popescu: but i disover the problem with me actually is SIZE. as in, gotta be this long.
asciilifeform: and that atrocity in the desk photo is ?!
mircea_popescu: yes it does. a general purpose box is the next best thing
asciilifeform: so this sheds no light on the building of general-purpose box.
asciilifeform: ahahahahaha then it's the one that lets arbitrary www load arbitrary files from your disk.
mircea_popescu: not like it's useful anyway, the difference between "run this binary" and "build" is absent in thos context
asciilifeform: but does it ~build~ them
asciilifeform: it is relatively simple if you are mircea_popescu and the only thing that needs to run is lynx and gpg 1.4
asciilifeform: shinohai: thing is, anything to do with 'i want a WORKING OS with WORKING PROGRAMS' is the entire spittoon.
shinohai: If I can avoid drinking the whole damned spitoon, I would try to avoid it.
asciilifeform: because apparently there IS NO SUCH THING as unbloated unix to be had ANYWHERE today
asciilifeform: ended up with barely usable openbsd. 500mSec or so delay on fopen() !!! because no ram left over (from the 64M) for disk caching
asciilifeform: i had one when i was in school, and it worked great. but today - nope. because go and try to install freebsd 4.7 - where do you get the packages? gonna patch by hand ?
shinohai: I rather expected something to go wrong. The day I get my sdr in the mail, lappy takes a shit.
mircea_popescu: luckily the battery goes into the laptop rather than the other way around os all good.
mircea_popescu: the chinese keep making them. seriously, the batteries i bought were so much younger than the laptop it'd have been pedophillia.
asciilifeform: li ion cells age on the shelf
asciilifeform: and they hold a charge ?
shinohai: Me too. I bought two of these shiity Dell i3's last year. One died within 6 months, other died yesterday.
asciilifeform: shinohai: THERE IS NO TOLERABLE LAPTOP
mircea_popescu: apparently "biotruther" is a word, now. what libertards call people who know biology that's not been approved by the global warming committee
mircea_popescu: in any case the reference is particularly weak - the officers in question ACTUALLY LED THE CHARGE. ie, were there.