mircea_popescu: i don't even want to do the unpacking.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker, i gotta go around with a colorimeter now.
mircea_popescu: i would rather make my own fucking monitor.
ascii_field: (for what the two extra bits? for plugging in the colorimeter and fine-verniering, naturally)
ascii_field: all of my panels have 10-bit (yes) DACs, no detectable dithering.
mircea_popescu: da fuck power would it save anyway THE FUCKING TRANSFORMER IS STILL PLUGGED IN
ascii_field: but if you'd rather suffer with consumer shit - who am i to argue.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: there are precisely two makers of 'good lcd'
mircea_popescu: i guess. i'm just not of the mind that there can be such a thing as a good lcd anyway.
ascii_field: actually they have measurable characteristics which th manufacturer guarantees
mircea_popescu: but there's nothing more in that recomendation than "this cheez tastes good", is there ? not like it's 4:3 or some shit.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i have 4, of 3 different types. can comment on the characteristics of the particular samples.
mircea_popescu: jurov if i was looking to buy one. but as it is, fuck it, what can he do if it turns out to be a dud, make the eizo ceo do my dishes ?
ascii_field: i use EXCLUSIVELY these now.
mircea_popescu: 0 reason to prefer any turd over any other turd.
ascii_field: then buy eizo colouredge.
mircea_popescu: exactly like i'm going to rape their daughters with a muskrat.
ascii_field: take it to the shooting range and shoot it
mircea_popescu: and they did this DELIBERATELY.
mircea_popescu: it resets all other settings to default
mircea_popescu: no, seriously. why the fuck is a monitor turning off by itself.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck invented this stupid shit.
BingoBoingo: Then she makes Jess a Backpage ad with a $500 minimum and shit goes to all hell
BingoBoingo: From the story: "So when they finished he gave her $100. I said "jess, you selling your puss for $100??? Pussy is worth thousands. U Trippin"
mircea_popescu: i'd rather play cunty lush.
ascii_field recalls this from the logz
mircea_popescu: <davout> i can't wait for this to actually be a thing on TV once 3D printing is advanced enough << when i was a kid there was a 1hour midnight show that actually played z80 tapes
mircea_popescu: o hey, is it the vulception vulpes_a_hopital ?
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: It's for the cockroach-ologists
ascii_field: 'i would if i could, motherfuckers'
assbot: Serena Williams Is Dating Alexis Ohanian, the Co-Founder of Reddit - Us Weekly ... ( http://bit.ly/1ij6h6R )
BingoBoingo: http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/serena-williams-is-dating-alexis-ohanian-the-co-founder-of-reddit-20152810 << Reddit lolz
ascii_field: davout: now there's proprietary crud in the cartridge ~and~ the printer that rsa to one another.
davout: in the same vein "oh you plugged this no-brand iphone cable in? not certified by apple? fuck you bitch, i'm not charging"
davout: aha, so far i thought it was limited to a simple counter in the printer itself
punkman: "Your Printer has stopped? Waste Ink Pads counter overflow? Want to go to Canon Customer Service? Want give them $50? DON’T WASTE YOUR TIME and MONEY – RESET YOUR PRINTERS YOURSELF"
ascii_field: as in IT WON'T PRINT unless the two agree and crypto-handshake etc.
davout: iirc there was some guy that demonstrated that indeed, printers would seppuku after X printed pages by doing exactly that, showing that by re-programming it, the 'broken' printer came back to life
ascii_field: davout: this kind of braindamage has been around for some years, yes. but until now i did not know that it has reached the point where you have to patch ~the printer itself~ rather than merely the eeprom in the cartridge.
ascii_field: punkman: 'rights management' aka 'you think you bought this printer but you actually bought the right to print 2000 pages and throw it out'
ascii_field: http://www.alex-banzai.net/index.php?action=forum&theme=768 << ru guide to same.
mircea_popescu: the people who don't play it... don't play it yet.
mircea_popescu: this one is practically crack. the people who play it play it like 20 hours/day
davout: i kindof remember you being there like what, a year ago, maybe i'm mistaken
mircea_popescu: iirc we hated them
ether_: i guess i will refrain from buying ether then. anyone here invested in other coin other than btc?
assbot: A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum’s Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LTGPjz )
ether_: anyway, this is where i found the article, maybe contact them to have it removed/updated: http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/
ether_: O well, I just read some news article about how microsoft is going to use ether for a new service, so I wanted to buy a few thousand just in case.
mircea_popescu: you wanna trade and shit, get into the wot.
mircea_popescu: it really put the kaibosh on dealing with nobodies.
mircea_popescu: there was an open offer for a long time. none of the sort of starstruck noob that falls for scamcoins with some regularity had enough btc to actually take a position, with one exception. that dude then managed to lose his key.
BingoBoingo: ether_: Wasn't that an old, expired offer?
ether_: i found an article that mentioned i need to contact you via this chat to purchase etherum :s
BingoBoingo: "n a nut shell postmodern American politics amounts to physically obese liberal poor attacking the mentally obese conservative middle class" << http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3176
assbot: BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 73.96 B (35%) on Yes, 135.94 B (65%) on No | closing in 1 month 4 days | weight: 49`754 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1iDIjEg )
mircea_popescu: the current avenue for the general public to take positions on that scam would be https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/
ether_: O, well. Quesiton is; are you still selling ether?
mircea_popescu: don't do that, either.
mircea_popescu: !up ether_
punkman: my entry: billion dollar blimp blown with the wind
punkman: BingoBoingo: if you change the last word
BingoBoingo: Did I win the Titling Title?
mircea_popescu: what if they weren't journos but "scientists", "hi andy, division is commutative ok ?"
mircea_popescu: nobody actually remembers 2ndary level english do they.
ascii_field: ^ balloon tether shorting out power lines as it goes
punkman: "Looking for somebody who is fuzzing 64-bit #Chrome on a 1Gb Win7 VM with crash reporting turned on; @ChromiumDev are not happy w/ the noise"
mircea_popescu: quarter billion / year, most of the uk economy, yo.
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mircea_popescu: check it out, eulora has like the best f:m ratio in all gaming.
mircea_popescu: dja play the vidya, princessnell ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller noobs get freebies as it is.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: steam is like the facebook of gaming. out of all the games people download from steam they play a small percent of them.
diametric: "It was floating northeast at around 30 mph. Authorities said it is equipped with a device to slowly deflate it, but it apparently is not working."
mircea_popescu: on the basis of what ?
phf: is there already an adhoc way to pay you btc to buy in game currency?
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 18:13:22; thestringpuller: phf: yea steam is super picky, and takes a huge cut of payment for using their platform
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309947 << issues of least concern. they can keep 100% for all i care.
mircea_popescu: my subversion of the modes of ustardism is quite strong and well constructed.
mircea_popescu: currently there is no official way to buy eulora anything anywya. you want to, gotta find a player that does it.
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 18:10:09; phf: "steamworks sdk", which is what lets you store account details in the cloud, message in-steam people, do drm, "microtransactions" etc.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309946 << i dun have a problem paying for their tits, whatevs. the issue is the "integrating sdk" whatever.
mircea_popescu: i suppose if you find it, take extensive pics and blog them you're a terrorist, right ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309923 <<< probably good policy for everyone on their first/first few
ascii_field: it was in the logz on a few occasions
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 15:46:29; PeterL: mircea_popescu: has there been an update on listing the Xotica thing on MPEx?
thestringpuller: one required "the nintendo seal of approval" to appear on a nintendo console and it usually saved developers/publishers since consumers at that shit up
thestringpuller: Nintendo was very much a walled garden distribution center for the NES/Famicom
thestringpuller: ascii_field: from your perspective it would seem this has been going on in video games since the 80's
thestringpuller: well maybe in app store, [other defacto walled garden here]. Steam is more of a distribution platform rather than a true walled garden.
thestringpuller: but it's saved a lot of publishers from bankrupcy in the last 5 years or so.
thestringpuller: phf: yea steam is super picky, and takes a huge cut of payment for using their platform
phf: "steamworks sdk", which is what lets you store account details in the cloud, message in-steam people, do drm, "microtransactions" etc.
phf: mircea_popescu: afaiu, steam now funnels all indie submissions through "steam greenlight". you list your game for $100 fee, description, screenshots, gameplay videos, demos, etc. and the commoonity votes on whether or not they would want to see it in the store. they explicitly mention that for free games any sort of in game payments must been done exclusively through "steam wallet". the technical side involves integrating their
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu the fucking blimp broke loose. https://twitter.com/jmvfc8/status/659415973699670016/photo/1
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu 'Turns out that the grapics chips required a binary blob so we decided to drop supporting Lemote, they are just not getting the point. Mixing an open source CPU with an evil graphics chip is just retarded.'
mod6: then you copy in a "pressed" version or "branch" into a & b, make your changes in b, then vdiff, all should be happy.
mod6: that should give exactly the basing that you need.
mod6: then
mod6: then make your changes in b
mod6: funkenstein_: so the guide basically wants you to do this:
ascii_field: the important thing is that v (at least my version) has no notion of 'current checkout' or whatnot.
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 16:30:06; funkenstein_: so after a number of tests I was going to submit the fix on this patch, but after using V more often it has become clear that it is annoying to have patches made from different places in the directory
funkenstein_: of course V still can be used in either case to apply any patch you like made from anywhere, just a minor annoyance
funkenstein_: might be worth noting that following mod6 v0.0.3: Creating, Naming, and Submitting a Vpatch will be doing the diff one dir up from the source
funkenstein_: i was under the impression that part of the advantage here was having extensibility, pick and choose capability of what patches to use
PeterL: remove your key from the keys dir, so nothing you publish would be allowed in
funkenstein_: so.. what exactly was meant by "forgetting the key" if one were to say, discard a vpatch / sig combo?
funkenstein_: so after a number of tests I was going to submit the fix on this patch, but after using V more often it has become clear that it is annoying to have patches made from different places in the directory
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: bitbet might be an opportunity for you to play the reverse.
gabrielradio: main idea behind the whole thing is that bookies need to give odds for every possible game out there. instead, you only need to identify a few where they got it wrong
gabrielradio: australian. basically market where there's value
gabrielradio: sports betting, but i try to approach it systematically. i have some guys analysing the games
gabrielradio realises the extent of his noobness, is going to work diligently towards getting out of it
punkman: "The cryptographic flaw enabled an eavesdropper to exploit all Top Secret data flowing thorough the "crown jewel systems" of U.S. Encryption called the KG-13. An immediately and emergency modification to the circuits of the Koken stages resolved this matter, but not after it have been in place for over 20 years, and we had been leaking classified intelligence to the Russians."
mircea_popescu: in other news, who's afraid of spiders ? http://40.media.tumblr.com/57b2db90fb46993d824204c0303dbc1a/tumblr_nlokkgstaM1qdla40o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu joined some random other channels
mircea_popescu: "This makes anons perfect cover for harassers. Not being willing to accept bad faith arguments on their own terms and debate them as if they merited a response is seen as proof of the weakness of your arguments." except all bad arguments can be reduced by reference and demolished in their own terms. an INABILITY to do so speaks to the poor intellectual capacity of the unable, and it is in fact prima facie evidence that
mircea_popescu: "This tension in anon culture, that every single person is empowered by the whole of the group and thus merits treatment as a peer, turns these individual hostile challenges into a storm of entitled demands for attention. Anons see themselves as peers to everyone, empowered by the support of the group, and thus entitled to participate in any conversation they arent forcibly prevented from entering."
mircea_popescu: but anyway - eulora needs more noobs. gotta find them somehow.
BingoBoingo: But seriously steam, the power transmission medium doesn't measure on Google?
mircea_popescu: tards just can't catch a break, can they.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'd have to do a password reset. I'd rather just leave it abandoned.
mircea_popescu: seems rather typical / indicative that most references to steam have nothing to do with the platform.
mircea_popescu: incidentally let's ask phf the question too. hey, dja have any idea how to package c++ for steam ?
BingoBoingo: I kinda thought about tossing a couple pennies at it, but there's gotta be more interesting stuff in the future.
mircea_popescu: in other news, the cuminal. http://thefemalecuntainer3.tumblr.com/post/119674246703/more-of-this-excellent-idea
mircea_popescu: mod also asked. i ok'd it. whatevs, people who wanna bet on derpy us movies deserve whatever they get.
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BingoBoingo: Also, BitBet trusts Disney as a resolution source? https://bitbet.us/bet/1218/luke-skywalker-turns-to-the-dark-side-in/
BingoBoingo: Aha, big in all the wrong places
mircea_popescu: the literature it discusses isn't that big.
mircea_popescu: how's the rum treatin' ya, anyways ?
BingoBoingo: Depends on his consumption. Also the early stages can be subtle.
mircea_popescu: heh. should have another good decade i figure.
BingoBoingo: about the right age with his drinking
mircea_popescu: (turns out tlp says the exact same thing in more words. hurray for blogging.)
mircea_popescu: neither my e nor my planck constant have "declined" over time.
mircea_popescu: in fact it's just that "psychology" or "ecology" ARE NOT FIELDS. they do not produce valid science. they never have. yes, they churn out "studies". those studies have no scientific value, and no importance whatsoever past their PSEUDOscientific value.
mircea_popescu: supposedly "decline effect", http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/02/the_decline_effect_is_stupid.html
mircea_popescu: heh. "But now all sorts of well-established, multiply confirmed findings have started to look increasingly uncertain. It's as if our facts were losing their truth: claims that have been enshrined in textbooks are suddenly unprovable. This phenomenon doesn't yet have an official name, but it's occurring across a wide range of fields, from psychology to ecology."
mircea_popescu: often the correct solution is the one daphna waxman met ; invent an exquisite, heretofore ~inimaginable~ EVEN MORE humiliating retreat, and let them chose the shameful retreat they weren't originally going to choose, and be thankful for it.
mircea_popescu: sometimes people just don't get what they want. and in THEIR case, it's all the time anyway, so best be well used to it.
mircea_popescu: "Finally, in every conflict, the ones you can win and the ones you can't, unless you really want to fight you must always give the other person a saving-face way to back down. No one, especially nowadays, wants to walk away in shame, they'd rather die, or kill you. Angry Mom stupidly made this public, and so she has no way to back down unless you, as the more powerful person, the one with understanding, give her one
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, empowering the michael moore strategy, "you're a fucking nobody trying to appear important and we're going to take you seriously!" ? fuck that shit.
mircea_popescu: "The first step is to make the other person feel important, that she has been heard. She's upset, so you assure her that you're going to take on her level of intensity to handle the situation, you will make it as much of a priority for you as it obviously is for her"
mircea_popescu: "The only thing you're never supposed to do in psychiatry is offer an opinion without conducting a full psychiatric examination, they're very emphatic about this, which is weird because half your grade on the psychiatric board exam comes from diagnosing a guy in a 10 minute video clip from 1977. (Academic dishonesty spoiler alert: he has OCD.) "
mircea_popescu: ltiple vaginas and they put your name on a database. No more interstate travel for you."
mircea_popescu: "An observation: Sheen went publicly insane early last week. It wasn't until this Tuesday night, after Extra and Today started showing the goddesses, that the court ordered an extraction team to medivac his kids. He's had a week of full on insanity, 20/20 had an entire crew in his house last Saturday, Radar was in there all day and no one felt obligated to rescue the children, but go on TV and publicly say you like mu
mircea_popescu: "every time history repeats itself, the price goes up."
assbot: Martial law: California police officers to be equipped with nunchuks | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ms2nGK )
BingoBoingo: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/27/kung-fu-blue-california-police-officers-nunchuks
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Tech Sunday: Will.I.Am Gets A Job At Intel ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9pnmj )
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/01/tech_sunday_william.html << in which tlp knows ssh.
mircea_popescu: holy shit, don't save these derps from car crashes, it's immoral not to mention unethical.
mircea_popescu: But as a feminist, a writer, and a gentlewoman of fortune, I refuse to be cast in any sort of boring supporting female role, even though I have occasional trouble crossing the road, and even though I did swoon the teeniest tiniest bit when I realized it was him. I think thats lazy storytelling, and Im sure Ryan Gosling would agree with me.
mircea_popescu: i wonder what became of that whole crew then. there's what, adozen or so people writing ?
mircea_popescu: "Anyone on the outside should be able to see this for what it is: a mafia style protection racket. Pay us. If you pay us, we will protect you from those who... don't pay us."
mircea_popescu: "Why are you hearing about this story, in this way: "oh my god, those bastards won't even cut a break to a poor black woman?" Because that story simultaneously delivers the government's message: "we don't squander taxpayer resources; we'll fight to protect every dime we can get." The symbiosis between media and politics: the media gets their readers, and the government gets their message relayed to the public. Ther
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Ohio Mom In Jail For Sending Kids To The Wrong School ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9op9Q )
mircea_popescu: i'm like, late to all the parties.
BingoBoingo: Eh, it wasn't near the same quality
BingoBoingo: https://www.tacobell.com/steal-a-breakfast?partnerId=as_mlb_20151028_54562836&adbid=659190778174959616&adbpl=tw&adbpr=28603812 << Everyone in America gets a Free A.M Crunchwrap November 5th. There will be Beetus.
mircea_popescu: by the time your cd tray is moving in and out as if possessing a life of its own, the "browser toolbars" are long past the bottom of the monitor.
mircea_popescu: you readily understand this if you think about hardware, which you aren't psychowired to nuttily defend. by the time the bearing audibly rumbles, the fucking software in that car has long been a mess.
mircea_popescu: trinque the important part here is this : by the time the ancient parts function in "failure modes", the "life of the mind" is broken beyond comparison.
BingoBoingo: ^ For the daily chuckle
phf: interval to trag lag. if the lag is too high, i.e. pong is not returning after some interval, attempt a reconnect
phf: trinque: adlai: tried cl-irc, turned off my wifi until the test nick was disconnected on freenode's end, and connectedp still returns T on the cl-irc end << cl-irc is a thin layer on top of irc protocol, so connection state is something you have to handle yourself. connectedp simply queries underlying stream for whether it's still formally open. you have to setup mechanism (say a separate thread) to send PING to the server at a regular
BingoBoingo: "because it shows the hierarchy of power in this woman's mind: she doesn't believe in God, she can overrule biology; but the school system is inviolable."
BingoBoingo: "The problem is that the parents already know the sex. They can't unknow it. They aren't acting from no information, they are acting in reaction to the information. They are saying they are raising him gender neutral, but what they are actually doing, precisely, is choosing not to raise him as a boy."
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Couple Reveals Child's Gender Five Years Too Late ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6BtTA )
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 06:55:24; *: gabriel_laddel glances to the side, sees 10 orange crush cans.
trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-10-2015#1307643 << in the case here, somewhere in that lower part of the mind perhaps there is buried revulsion which would serve to make the solution clear.
assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 18:28:17; asciilifeform: i've nothing against the hindbrain per se. but it is not the mind. why not call arse and elbow same word also, if we do this ?
trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-10-2015#1309050 << perhaps no thinking man is complete without being able to avoid the failure modes of the ancient parts
trinque: interesting re: tlp article how the actual "dope" in the wish-fulfillment fantasy is non-obvious to the junkie himself. there's that hindbrain again.
mircea_popescu: in the end this might all be about that learning curve / experience after all.
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/03/when_is_it_okay_to_rape_a_woma.html << aaaand tlp singlehandedly sinks the entire "get babes self help" nonsense.
assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 17:00:22; mircea_popescu: i love this chan, there's people in the know on EVERYTHING
mircea_popescu: in a sentence such as "a narrow burn cycle to keep moving the market".
phf: jurov: well, i could build eulora into /Applications/Foo.app/... structure, and then require people to install by dropping resulting app into /Applications/ on their machine, but there's no sport in that
phf: jurov: so http://www.eulorum.org/OS_X produces a working build, just not something you can upload as an archive, because the links between binaries rely on absolute paths. i think it's possible to go over all of them and replace absolute paths with relative paths using install_name_tool, but i haven't had a chance to try it yet. (just finished moving to DC yesterday, so i've been busy)
mircea_popescu: well, there's a time for everything.
mircea_popescu: or the discussion of the "poor entrepreneurs" and their bizarre notions of equity and dilution ?
mircea_popescu: mats you recall the discussion of the "poor tenants" and their proclivity to focus on a single measure to be lied to ?
asciilifeform: (there are, elementarily, a great many new 'places'.)
asciilifeform: rather than enlarged in places where you aren't seeing ?
mircea_popescu: actually there's a bunch of people playing on mac
mats: i don't have a reason i can table for scrutiny, just intuition -- there has been a lot of great work done in recent past that makes it possible to substantially reduce attack surface of e.g. linux, a monster weighing, what, 14mn loc now?
asciilifeform: what if they wanted to play on nintendo ?
asciilifeform: i swore off ever building anything for crapple's gui again after they abolished 'carbon' (their c hooks thing)
phf: asciilifeform: eulora/planeshift/crystalspace combination requires gcc 4.2 to build out of the box, gcc 4.2 is out of sync with current objective c ecosystem. one hacky way to fix the issue is to build objc files with clang and then link it against gcc produced parts. the approach was a deadend, as any sane person would realize
mircea_popescu: No, I'm a dummy. The purpose of universities is to suck up Stafford loan money. And the purpose of journals is to mark territory, more money in that, like a corporation that spins off a subsidiary. NO CROSS SCIENTIFIC DISCUSSION ALLOWED IN SCIENCE, EVER, EXCEPT IN SCIENCE, NATURE, AND THE POPULAR PRESS."
mircea_popescu: "Exactly. So you should have sent it to the physicists. You know, the ones who work a building over in the same university that you do. That was the whole reason for universities, right?
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/01/this_time_its_esp.html <<< pretty fucking lulzy. psych journal publishes phys study, everyone misses every point.
phf: i think, and it's been a while now, clang and gcc use different versions of libstdc++, even if you can coerce the two to see each others symbols (something i had mixed success with originally) you're than potentially touching in memory objects with methods that have incompatible expectations about what the memory layout of the object actually is
phf: jurov: my impression is that linking clang produced object files against gcc objects files results in heisenbugs. making the entire source code work with llvm is essentially going through source and fixing it to conform to clang's expectations.
mircea_popescu: iirc it\s in the wiki
jurov: there are multiple ways to "fix the source" to make ld export symbols, too. but i did not find the right one yet...
phf: jurov: making llvm eat the whole is a better way to preserve sanity, because then you're dealing with fixing source, rather then hunting down opaque binary issues.
phf: jurov: oh i gave up trying to mix the two, i was getting both linking and runtime issues trying to build c++ with gcc 4.2 and objc with clang.
mircea_popescu: more on point : is there any reason you suspect it's either differentiable or even continuous ?
jurov: mats: you say "there is a curve"... is there any serious reason or data supporting the notion it has maximum where you think it is?
mats: then you should know i respect the work you've done for 'tmsr'. all disagreements about the fabric of the universe, aside.
jurov: it was alright in .o files and when i linked it all together, ended always in private section
phf: jurov: mac os x build of eulora uses clang, there might be some insight in the patches. specifically i go the whole way of patching/making sure it works autoconf for crystal space, which might be necessary to move forward with any sort of linking issues, etc.
asciilifeform: i can't help but wonder what my published work thus far (in re: therealbitcoin, v, etc.) looks like to mats. probably looks like entirely baseless lunacy, like an eiffel tower glued from tongue depressors
asciilifeform: to the point that being ANY OTHER KIND is something you do under a blanket, at night.
asciilifeform: and yes, if mats wants to be this kind of doctor - not only is he free to, but there is a tremendous bezzle market for the service.
asciilifeform: for some odd reason mats reminds me of the articles about the monstrously fat folks that BingoBoingo linked to. the ones where they demand that doctor treat the 1,001 consequences of their 5,000 calorie intake without mentioning the elephant in the room.
asciilifeform: mats: for whom, then ?
mats: security isn't for the incompetent and poor, yes
mats: this is the 'we know where the bugs _may_ hide, what locks _may_ have master key, so layer accordingly' defense. and often, variations of aslr are involved, despite how you feel about 'if they're in you've got bigger problems anyways'
asciilifeform: namely, more of the problem, in spades.
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 00:25:20; mircea_popescu: the dispute is deeper than that. he just doesn't want to work towards fixing the current paradigm. which i guess is fine. you apparently do. imo this is also fine, that's why there's two of you, so you can be in two places at the same time.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309539 << it is because i know what the 'fixes' actually lead to.
asciilifeform: now i am not a 'famous & respected' type, so i'm not yet at the 'worth a car bomb' level. but i will confess that i am at the 'disconnected phones at places with no paper association with me ring and ask by name' level.
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 00:14:05; mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309017 << disingenuous, because all agents of usg are entrusted with masterpwn key? mitigations do not raise the cost of exploitation, even for usg? because, last i checked, they use kits like everybody else in the game.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309534 << do i misunderstand or is this the 'you are too small for them to spend a master key on' 'defence' ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309530 << unlike some other folks, my cock is not plugged into the mains socket, so this doesn't do anything noteworthy.