assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:50:13; *: asciilifeform would like input from his WoT re: what is the correct thing to do with obvious usg honeytrapping as described earlier.
mircea_popescu: so the fucking web idiots have come up with a novel css hell that chokes my browsers.
trinque: asciilifeform: thinking the kernel's automount mech. for pogo's external disk slot?
mircea_popescu: back to tape : not to mention that since these these things are virtualized, you could in principle specify how you wish the available mem to be split among the various rotating tapes.
mircea_popescu: kinda have a) a nix ; b) a bitcoin and c) an obvious pogo-merge for these two.
mircea_popescu: trinque the eventual end goal is to have bitcoinix. as alf says, no userland at all. nor really a kernel in the common sense.
trinque: I suppose given you can fire up networking entirely from within the linux kernel, init=bitcoind may be all that is needed at some point
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 03:16:02; phf: mod6: you might be right not wanting to `use`. i decided to look at file::temp to see how they do ffi, but instead it's a custom perl written blob. probably reasonable to use, but.. in any case i recommend at least conforming to the api of mkdtemp("/tmp/fooXXX") => /tmp/fooAj5. i took a stab at a sample code, http://paste.lisp.org/display/158520, but there are some other things to keep in mind,
mircea_popescu: actually the rotating tape is not such a bad idea. not just for pogo-log, but in general. wild notion, but, asciilifeform how about memory allocator that simply overwrites the beginning ?
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 03:00:13; trinque: no, but my shits do not flush the toilet for themselves....
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 02:54:26; asciilifeform: on a machine like pogo it does not make sense to produce the log at all
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1316749 << the principle of this is sound. if you're debugging on pogo you've got more pressing problems than the log. such as your psychotherapy appointment.
mircea_popescu getting there
trinque: init on the same device is taking about 300kb more than runit, as on this thing I have the former starting the latter
asciilifeform: and it won't be a matter of a few changed lines, either.
asciilifeform: ... not that the thing is in any way close to being pogoizable
asciilifeform: but it does NOT make sense for it to evolve in the direction of being 'a good unix util'
phf: in that case you'd better truncate it doing run too, because if that pogo doesn't go down, there's no cap on the log
asciilifeform: moreover, since unix has no future, but unfortunately we are stuck with a junkyard of rusting x86 and arm boxes, it makes sense for bitcoin to evolve in the direction of being an os
asciilifeform: phf: log in the airplane 'black box' sense only.
phf: should there even be logs on pogo?
asciilifeform: my argument here is not that the behaviour of the classic debug log is a beautiful thing, but that any change to bitcoin that MAKES MANDATORY the presence of so much as an 8kB proggy on the machine, is LETHAL
trinque: one sec while I go find the ram usage of runit on a similar device
asciilifeform: (why waste the precious ram on that ??)
trinque: there will be no init?
asciilifeform: see, the whole 'unix philosophy' thing would be considerably more interesting if we had a machine where it actually... worked.
trinque: runit runs things in precisely this manner, and is the smallest init guy I know
phf: e.g. http://search.cpan.org/~dagolden/File-Temp-0.2304/lib/File/Temp.pm#safe_level (particularly if you read the paragraph under HIGH)
phf: mod6: you might be right not wanting to `use`. i decided to look at file::temp to see how they do ffi, but instead it's a custom perl written blob. probably reasonable to use, but.. in any case i recommend at least conforming to the api of mkdtemp("/tmp/fooXXX") => /tmp/fooAj5. i took a stab at a sample code, http://paste.lisp.org/display/158520, but there are some other things to keep in mind,
trinque: asciilifeform: why not have the thing barf everything to stdout and stderr and let whatever's out there do with it what it pleases; opposed to unix-y small proggies that do one thing here?
asciilifeform: i have machines here where the size of the log approaches the size of the blockchain.
asciilifeform: a) a wedged node still pisses into the log b) log contains tx ids, many of which correspond to nothing that ends up in the blocks
trinque: this log file is a small fraction of the size of the blockchain which is also constantly being written
asciilifeform: and it was not deemed acceptable for the box to ever not be recording.
asciilifeform: trinque: you do know that aircraft crash boxes traditionally ran the tape in a loop, right ?
asciilifeform: there is no human user on, e.g., pogo.
trinque: when it is sitting on a system where the user can decide to do this if he chooses
trinque: I am commenting on the idiocy of a thing *ever* taking it upon itself to erase the history of its own operation
asciilifeform: trinque: this is reminiscent of the thread concerining upnp.
asciilifeform: on a machine like pogo it does not make sense to produce the log at all
trinque: if it were the ADA version or even one written with as few deps as possible, I'd grant you're right
asciilifeform: if you recall, the original wasn't even assured of running on a unix
asciilifeform: i must confess that i disagree. the thing runs, as it might, self-contained, to the extent practical.
asciilifeform: trinque: iirc it doesn't shrink, in the classical 0.5.3, if debug flag is on.
trinque: ShrinkDebugFile() << lol, the autism in this thing
mod6: i guess i could hash the epoch time and append it to the dir name, store it as a global for "session" key.
asciilifeform: and at the end of the day, 'v' is a unix proggy and isn't even a compiled thing, and utterly depends on 1,000,001 things that no one has examined since 1991.
mircea_popescu: symlinks among others
mod6: my thought was to create if it doesn't exist, otherwise die. and delete at the end of execution. however there is a scenario where if for instance a seal exists from a key that is not in the wot and the application exits before main returns.
mircea_popescu: it does offer a firm guarantee that "always the one you made"
mircea_popescu: so what if they aren't ?
asciilifeform: it would, if there were secretz
mircea_popescu: q : wouldn't the right way to do this be, "gen session key" ?
asciilifeform: homedir oughta work, but the trick is that you gotta know that it's one you made, every time
asciilifeform: 'v' doesn't deal in secrets, ergo the actual location is unimportant.
asciilifeform: mod6: home dir is prolly the correct approach
mod6: asciilifeform: are you impartial to /tmp instead of ~/gnupgtmp ? I just put in the changes and this is what gpg spit back at me: http://dpaste.com/23A824E.txt
assbot: Logged on 02-05-2014 02:36:33; asciilifeform: decimation: for some reason, this reminds me of a tale my consulting partner (physicist, grew up in india, 1970s) told me. students would qualify on instruments that barely worked, but belonged, to, e.g. the great Bose.
mircea_popescu: gutheart lol
asciilifeform: he learned on the 1.5k 100ohm resistors.
asciilifeform: which is how my brother still doesn't fully believe, in his gut heart, that physics works
asciilifeform: phun phakt, the reject parts went to... schools
asciilifeform: was ~the only~ way to get functioning circuits, for instance.
BingoBoingo: "Of course the political assassination theory neglects motive for killing the real estate agent instead of killing the sheriff." << better?
mircea_popescu: that's how the nazis were beaten.
mircea_popescu: "Apple's fabrication partners appear to be taking the opposite approach, which is to select parts whose tolerance errors cancel each other out." << this is wartime engineering.
BingoBoingo: "Of course the political assassination theory neglects motive for killing the real estate agent instead killing the sheriff." better?
asciilifeform: killing -- the real estate
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'Of course the political assassination theory neglects motive for killing the real estate' -- missing a dash
asciilifeform: hence the application to spurious criminal cases.
asciilifeform: (this comes from old notebooks having held together with thread, that turned dark with dirt and age. when pages were inserted or removed surreptitiously, new thread was often used to stitch the thing back)
mircea_popescu: so then...
mircea_popescu: "because the public doesn't matter." ah, okay.
mircea_popescu: "|Ulanoff completely fails to examine this "oh yeah, we suck in some areas claim". Why? The guy's a "car reporter". No more, no less. If he says negative things about the companies that pay his salary, he gets fired and the publication for whom he works never gets another scoop/lead/exclusive." << BUT WHY ?
asciilifeform: this, in short, is why i found the case interesting to begin with...
BingoBoingo: Definitely for the comments, because I was not thinking of this part
asciilifeform: the whole thing smells as strongly as anyone might wish, of usg pushing the bounds of the possible.
asciilifeform: and stitched it into something for the jury.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aha, hinted but yes a point for the comments!
asciilifeform: where they found some schizo notebook of his
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: spiffy article. but fails to mention that the writings of s. have not (afaik - has anyone tried hard?) been seen by the public; nor is it publicly known how and where usg obtained them (it is known, iirc, that they were NOT public)
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1316544 << the back-and-forth over gpg registration would be entertaining, at least
mircea_popescu: the circumserial killer.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315736 << the way to do it is gpg --homedir /tmp/dirthatyoumadefortheoccasion << got it. will work on this tonight.
trinque: jurov: pls switch disgests on the mailing list to off for me; I cannot
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 00:10:19; asciilifeform: i cannot help but be surprised when i encounter, in the old words of ben_vulpes, 'clown cars glued to a spinning ceiling'
asciilifeform: trinque: there was a patch. iirc it didn't make it in for some trivial reason
trinque: bitcoind trashing the debug.log each time has got to go
mircea_popescu: "You want a non-tyrannical Apple? Rather than striving to weaken Apple so that it can be devoured by its brawny-yet-mindless competitors, do something constructive. Experiment with GUIs which dont trace their descent to Xerox PARC. Forever renounce the idiotic practice of copying Microsoft, that cheap imitation of a cheap imitation. If you are creative, create. Otherwise, strive to find a strong-willed Jobs fig
mircea_popescu: not that it's not open to folk wanting the work and +wot centrality, but hey.
mircea_popescu: it's almost like the dating market : some people are decent at picking up c hicks, and the losers watch them do it and... still suck.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i (and $maxint others) will port $whateverthefuckyouwant to, e.g., cray II. for a fee.
mircea_popescu: and the reason is, apparently, that steam doesn't have the wisdom to have expert packagers out there looking for work.
asciilifeform: all kolhoz follow the same dynamic, afaik.
asciilifeform: tomorrow it'll be another, similar.
asciilifeform: today 'steam' appears to be doing the temporary 'having' of that thing
mircea_popescu: missed by a mile, they weren't even shooting towards it.
mircea_popescu: and they HAD, 5 years ago, a thing.
mircea_popescu: imo they failed unconscionably at this.
asciilifeform: today - yes. it transitioned to the spamatronic cargo cult phase
mircea_popescu: they have like... 3 types of games, and rehashed ad nauseam.
asciilifeform: s.mg does not live in the leprosorium.
asciilifeform: i wasn't speaking of success, but of a living wage in the leprosorium.
mircea_popescu: ipad didn't get any fortress-whatever that's called action either.
asciilifeform: like in the mid '90s 'shareware scene'
asciilifeform: when i wrote that piece, there was a very temporary phenomenon where the small-time independent programmer appeared to be a thing again
mircea_popescu: but the point is important, in light of your article.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, very apparently, does not need the kolhoz, no.
mircea_popescu: or you're proposing that I need ~them~ or something ?
mircea_popescu: so : there is a thing. it doesn't go there. to their detriment. what of the monopoly ?
mircea_popescu: but forget this nonsense, focus on the business interest.
mircea_popescu: they're gonna what, police users ?
asciilifeform: aha but the first time anyone thinks of using it to move coin, it gets pulled.
mircea_popescu: same thing as with steam : i would not even accept money from them.
mircea_popescu: there is no "transfer of value" within eulora
asciilifeform: with their vig taken.
asciilifeform: apple demands that any transfer of value of whatever kind inside an ipnohe proggy happen using their system
mircea_popescu: do you not count it as an example of developer eschewing the monopoly ? and to apple's detriment ?
mircea_popescu: i could spend money to have eulora interface translated into some sort of an iapp. it'd prolly work, more or less. i... aren't bothering myself with actually doing this.
mircea_popescu: (the original, ie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZrgcSQRN0U says "why do you look at me as if i stole from you ? if you're gonna do that, i might as well...)
mircea_popescu: not the same sentiment.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in english they say 'may as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb'
mircea_popescu: "How long would it take for Toyota to start living up to these accusations in earnest? And why should it not do so? What is to be gained from corporate sainthood?" << "De ce te uiti de parca ti-am furat ceva. Daca tot te uiti asa, mai bine ti-as fura."
mircea_popescu: nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: i can teach constitutional law to a rodent that's obedient and determined, enough of it at any rate to surpass the present mulatto in chief.
mircea_popescu: it is, contrary (to whose surprise ?) to what the derps try to tell them, pretty much the only important characteristic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't mind in the slightest - more flesh for me.
mircea_popescu: if all females were she-rakims their life would be so smooth.
asciilifeform: hey the chicken just wants to live
mircea_popescu: who suffers ? the middling comnpetent female.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 21:19:42; asciilifeform: 'This is SOP for STEM/Biz profs, too. Never be alone with female students. Never mentor them. Never supervise a graduate thesis. A bad review/grade turns into a sexual harassment claim far too easily.'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316143 << this stupidity is perhaps the finest exercise in "how to fuck up women under the guise of protecting their rights".
asciilifeform: specifically 'образ "цыпленка пареного" как символ обывателя, который "просто хочет жить"' >> the image of a steamed chicken as a symbol of a jwz who 'only wants to live'
BingoBoingo: Nah, makes perfect sense you gotta bring your own orgy to the one night stand
mircea_popescu: yet it's not my fault the models you all learned as children are constructed to serve your society, not your own needs and interests.
mircea_popescu: a society that doesn't bitchslap them opens itself to this sort of gunkification.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 21:14:52; mike_c: I am not understanding this romanian mess.. what the hell does some fire in a club have to do with the PM
asciilifeform: b. has 4G of addressable ram. it is approx. the size of a hardcover book, and lives in a locked cage.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 21:05:09; funkenstein_: trinque: I don't know who they are but i have had some luck with bitcoincloud.eu vps
asciilifeform wants useful but there is only one of him
mircea_popescu: but pretty much the only thing western kids wanna do is derp with webdev ; and the eastern kids wanna polish the kalash.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 23:46:19; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316029 <<< i have a faint recollection of the thing being in this "we'll draft it" position before and magically not getting drafted.
mircea_popescu: finding a solution to the hosting problem, a ~correct~ solution is actually higher priority than anything else atm.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 20:13:41; trinque: and two, I would like to move the hosting of the thing off AWS if anyone can recommend a friendlier host
mircea_popescu: a ton of orphan blasting, looking through the logs, but they don't actually do anything to me.
asciilifeform: with the selector respecting ordering.
asciilifeform: the most basic thing would be to permit a static nodelist.
mircea_popescu: i think you probably recall the design discussions for this ?
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 20:13:17; trinque: two things there: one I think I will begin looking into the connect vs addnode tangle this weekend, as it's affecting the proper functioning of the deedbot-
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316103 << code to properly handle the republic's own nodes would be a good move forward.
BingoBoingo: for the cockroachologists: "The Patriots tight end claimed in a recent published memoir -- which he totally wrote all by himself -- that he has yet to touch one dime of his signing bonus or NFL contract money and that everything he has been spending has come from endorsements." http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/156348992/rob-gronkowski-money-advice-gronkonomics
mircea_popescu: says Hansjoerg Mueller of the Alternative for Germany party.
asciilifeform: another thing is that the drives usually share power rail and one can cascade-kill the rest
asciilifeform: which brings out the duds.
asciilifeform: but yes, if the disks 'know' (somehow) that you have a raid-5 of n disks, using a particular controller, they could, e.g., 'agree' to return a patched boot sector.
asciilifeform: let's say there are 4 of'em.
mircea_popescu: people tend to use the same exact hdd in raid
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 19:30:55; asciilifeform: incidentally hardware raid utterly annihilates (if used correctly - that is, for striping rather than mirroring) all known and unknown 'hdd firmware diddles'
asciilifeform: incidentally - there is a very convenient 1-byte flag, that, if 'poked', will instantly cause gpg to use ordinary (paged) memory.
asciilifeform: i cannot help but be surprised when i encounter, in the old words of ben_vulpes, 'clown cars glued to a spinning ceiling'
asciilifeform: and the answer turns out to be 'precious little'
asciilifeform: how easy it would have been to bitwalk it (like the braindead 'secmem' thing in gpg insists on doing PER SEGMENT !!?!!!)
asciilifeform: as a kind of reimplementation of malloc that... uses malloc internally for the segments !
asciilifeform: and (and i could go on and on) the thing is implemented in a profoundly braindamaged way
asciilifeform: ergo the last time anyone could have easily tested the allocator is - at the very latest - 1997
asciilifeform collected five versions of gpg, not in one is the thing actually implemented
mircea_popescu: and so the westerners are too petrified by the double whammy, and can't operate themselves.
mircea_popescu: here's a tidbit : all "named" banks actually operate under license, separately. because the chinese will strangle you if you actually send info over.
gribble: Using the GNU Privacy Guard: GPG Configuration Options - GnuPG: <https://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manuals/gnupg/GPG-Configuration-Options.html>; gpg manpage - GnuPG: <https://www.gnupg.org/gph/de/manual/r1023.html>; Using the GNU Privacy Guard: GPG Esoteric Options - GnuPG: <https://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manuals/gnupg/GPG-Esoteric-Options.html>
mircea_popescu: (but ftr, china is land of the freedom. they actually and specifically do not do any of the aml bs.)
mircea_popescu: incomprehensibly, a few people still use the supermarkets.
mircea_popescu: supermarkets here want to see id for cash payments over ~100 dollars. everyone else pays you a discount because well, they don't actually report/pay the tax.
mircea_popescu: typical "do not live in the us" fodder.
mircea_popescu: who, the death&taxes dude ?
asciilifeform: confused the florida fool for shrem
mircea_popescu: then shrem met some derp at a bar and they came up with a plan which consisted of shrem not noticing the derp is doing the opposite
mircea_popescu: shrem registered as a money transmitter, and named himself as the agent in charge of making sure ustardation is implemented.
mircea_popescu: how many degrees of separation is this ? didja sign a promise to the usg to police the blockchain ?
mircea_popescu: derp conspired with some other derp to break the very promises he made in writing to the usg!
mircea_popescu: do you program like this too ? "fuck knows what this function does but the name seems to have the right number of vowels" ?
asciilifeform: because i have 36 hands and they're all full ?
mircea_popescu: do you actually know what happened there and deliberately misrepresent or do you just use in your thought process things you understand at fishwrap level ?
asciilifeform will admit that he did not closely follow the case
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316047 <<< this is such a deep misrepresentation of the shrem thing as to boggle the mind.
mircea_popescu: (rthere should be an office to approve usage of names for purposes, consisting of a clerk with a REJECTED stamp)
asciilifeform: and there was even an 'nvidia tesla' gpu card.
mircea_popescu: they had a bullshit college in ro, which yielded http://trilema.com/2009/n-am-putea-sa-avem-si-noi/
asciilifeform: there is, i regret to say, also an 'intel edison' (small pc thing)
asciilifeform has a very special loathing for 'tesla' car, solely on account of the name abuse
mircea_popescu: g whatever stupid shit, because they can no longer protest.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in the general, this is the closed form life equation of people doing something worthwhile : they have a terrible time as kids because their parents are idiots ; they get fucking stampeded as adults, because people are lazy ; they get all the accolades, moneys and bitches when they're old, because it doesn't do anything for them anymore (thus it's finally safe) ; once they're dead they get to be the face sellin
asciilifeform: in all fairness, the prison lenin sat in was a joke compared to present-day
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you forgot: the broomstick.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:50:13; *: asciilifeform would like input from his WoT re: what is the correct thing to do with obvious usg honeytrapping as described earlier.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316034 << a) get out of the us. now. shut the rationalizations, i really don't want to hear them, there's no excuse ; b) make a pile of dead droppable content ; c) surround yourself with angry people with guns, bonus points if female.
BingoBoingo: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature16057.html << Note they decline to identify the antiboitic in the conjugate without paying for the paper, leaving open the possibility one of the many agents more effective than vancomycin was used.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316029 <<< i have a faint recollection of the thing being in this "we'll draft it" position before and magically not getting drafted.
mircea_popescu: the "thread" isn't a thread nor does it make it any clearer. what magic talismans are you asking of ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was in reference to the carder episode
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:45:43; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu what is the proper defence against getting 'shremmed' ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nope, just shuttle you to the trailer living caste
asciilifeform: l0l do they help finish ya off
mircea_popescu: treasonous nsa subdirectorate head got done for "killing people" the [meanwhile deceased] chief of police killed.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:27:40; asciilifeform: i insist on being shot for high treason rather than for somehow associating with spamming scum.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315996 << lmao you don't understand how the world works.
mircea_popescu: my god these strawberries are great.
mircea_popescu: if you care, then the argument is why do you care about this but not thatr, and sooner or later you won't notice one.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315984 << this is inept policy. the correct move is not to care.
mircea_popescu: this is not the same thing.
asciilifeform ^ ought to have an abbreviation for the above.
asciilifeform: but unfortunately i have not the time and energy to flesh this out into a working mechanism
mircea_popescu: anyway, why are we even discussing the nlocktime thing ? lot of version 4 blocks or what ?
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 23:33:14; mircea_popescu: re the peter todd nlocktime derpage : there exists a perfectly legitimate problem with anchoring bitcoin time to political time.
mircea_popescu: that's a chief point on the ho training schedule.
mircea_popescu: gotta park the hos anywhere.
asciilifeform: still gotta park the whos somewhere.
mircea_popescu: which is why the republic doesn't (and currently shouldn't) be a place.
mircea_popescu: there only is a who.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tricky bit. the folks who mattered (nick t., o. lilienfeld - semiconductor, the lot) weren't u.s. bred
mircea_popescu: to me he's the archetypical ustardian scientist.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i fail to see it as anything other than john smithing.