mircea_popescu: "why is all us epidemiological data null and void ?" "because us doctors a) have to write down a diagnosis and b) are paid the same no matter what is is".
mircea_popescu: aaannd... "if we had a system of healthcare in which doctors were paid the exact same regardless of diagnosis or severity, then there'd be little attention paid to "correct" diagnosis, all of our epidemiological data would be totally invalid, and the number one drug in America would be Xanax. "Wait, isn't that the situation now?" Huh, nailed it."
mircea_popescu: d in college. If you are going to college to get an education and not to meet guys, you are insane, literally insane, delusional, in reality one is never going to happen and the other is going to happen anyway, and you could have gotten both for free at a bookstore. Worked for me. The only question for the future single mom is whether it's worth $XXXXXX a year to meet guys, and the answer is of course it's not, even
mircea_popescu: Of course I'm not happy about this, I like smart people, but that's the new reality. There was a time where women went to college to get an MRS degree, and I am telling you that that time is today, there is nothing else of value in there. Sure, some college women go on to become doctors and CEOs, and some go on to become child pornographers and Salon writers, none of those things have anything to do with what happene
mircea_popescu: relevant as the skin color. Not irrelevant for now, not irrelevant "until the economy improves"-- irrelevant forever. The economy doesn't care about intelligence, at all, it doesn't care what you know, merely what you can produce for it. The only thing the English grad is "qualified" for in this economy is the very things s/he is already doing: coffeehouse agitator, Trader Joe's associate, Apple customer ............
mircea_popescu: "When we see a welfare mom we assume she can't find work, but when we see a hipster we become infuriated because we assume he doesn't want to work but could easily do so-- on account of the fact that he can speak well-- that he went to college. But now suddenly we're all shocked: to the economy, the English grad is just as superfluous as the disenfranchised welfare mom in the hood-- the college education is just as ir
mircea_popescu: "Lesson one at the academia should be the importance of separating vocation from avocation, as character actor Fred Thompson and electrical contractor Benjamin Franklin both understood."
mircea_popescu: ecause there is nothing else of value inside me except X? But he was never taught to ask questions like this. In fact, he was taught never to ask questions like that. What kind of a man attracts a woman who can only echo him? There must be a name for that kind of person, and he already had it."
mircea_popescu: "But if Echo was no longer a projection, she was still a reflection. Echo, like all women, offered her man a peek inside his soul, all he had to do look: What kind of a man am I, that attracts this kind of woman? What kind of a man am I that attracts the kind of woman who only likes me for how I look? Despite how I treat her? What kind of a man am I that only attracts the kind of women who like me for X? Is it b
ascii_field: only other option was- usg
mircea_popescu: you really shouldn't stack the same play. if the wife's a lascivious blonde don't get ANOTHER one for a mistress. get a spirtous brunette sarah silverman sorta chick.
assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 00:32:40; mircea_popescu: <mod6> had to find a new mine, place in tower of fascism was bought, outsourced all jobs to bangladesh or some place. <<< seems alf's going through exactly the same.
jurov: ascii_field: electrum-server depends on bitcoin having "txindex" which 0.5.4 not sure if has, 0.7 had and the el. patch was not heavy
mike_c: let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already
mod6: "Welcome to the bakery, we've got cakes and pies..."
mod6: yah, usually it's a big early career, and then a slow decline. he just kept making great, if not even better, music.
mircea_popescu: sure, say aerosmith has the same longevity. but gimme a break with the bubblepop crap they been doing for mtv this side of the mllenium.
mircea_popescu: in other news, johnny cash is fucking great.
assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 00:31:57; hanbot: ascii_field should you ever actually find yourself on the brink of starvation put whoever is doing your cooking in touch with me. i am well acquainted with forced frugality. it happens, and while your merits might not prevent it from grabbing at your feet, they can keep you from succumbing.
mod6: they're called "noodlers" right BingoBoingo?
BingoBoingo: Around here similar hand fishing arts exist, but usually they focus on the catfish Basically get it to swallow your hand and try to grab the gill plates as you pull your hand up
mircea_popescu: only starts squirming once out of the water.
mircea_popescu: always suspected the trout doesn't actually mind being caught.
mircea_popescu: at some point at that age i used to go trouting in this stream. the trout likes to sit under the rock sort-of mid evening, you can catch it with your hands just loop either end in.
mod6: When I wasn't cutting down trees, I would blow up an air matress and float down this creek that ran through a private golf course. Where I would fish the golf balls out of the creek, shine 'em up and sell 'em back to the guys who just hit 'em in there for like $0.25 per ball.
mod6: Only thing I really regret about it is not wearing ear protection back then.
mod6: Yep. My good buddy's dad has a tree care company. My old man set me up with a job working with them when I was like 10, big enough to haul sticks and roll logs.
mod6: I guess, another factor for me is doing manual labor. I used to cut down trees from when I was about 10 to 18. And very quickly in a job like that you learn the value of the earned dollar.
mod6: Ripping people off for vaporware or whatever other bullshit isn't.
mod6: well, to some extent for me I have to be able to be honest and have integrity in my job or I wouldn't respect myself in the morning.
mircea_popescu: just as long as the world ends, eh.
mod6: i put up with all that bullshit all day every day so I can keep the lights on and do my real job: the foundation :]
mod6: bitcoin is the thing i care about.
mod6: when I was younger I used to be a lot more idealistic about my job... now, couldn't care less as long as the money is wired on a regular basis. haha.
mod6: I pretty much keep my head down, work hard. I don't get emotionally invested in the mines.
mircea_popescu: what do you do there, sysadmin like ?
mircea_popescu: good for you then
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, they annouced the news of the acquisition on the 2nd of october, had a new deal closed by the 17th. was glad to find something new anyway, was really tired of working at the old place.
BingoBoingo: (roughly $3,500 per week), and a round-the-clock sober companion to oversee the entire operation (approximately $10,000 per week). The final total for a week of the most luxurious stint of detox known to man? Around $50,000. Room service not included."
BingoBoingo: "If the idea of entering a facility, even a luxury one, is too much to bear, you can always follow the lead of true ballers who detox in style at luxury suites at Claridges in London or Trump Tower in NYC to the tune of about $3,000 per night. For the roughly week-long experience, theyll then hire an on-call doctor to administer a detox program and medication (an estimated $15,000 per week), a 24-hour nurse to facilitate it
BingoBoingo: Who knew sobriety was such big bsns, fuck AngloLandia is broken https://www.thefix.com/content/lifestyles-rich-and-sober-6588
mircea_popescu: <mod6> had to find a new mine, place in tower of fascism was bought, outsourced all jobs to bangladesh or some place. <<< seems alf's going through exactly the same.
hanbot: ascii_field should you ever actually find yourself on the brink of starvation put whoever is doing your cooking in touch with me. i am well acquainted with forced frugality. it happens, and while your merits might not prevent it from grabbing at your feet, they can keep you from succumbing.
mod6: but believe me, there's nothing more than I want to do than work on this stuff all day. just not quite there yet.
mod6: that's not true. you've been doing some awesome testing for me at the drop of a hat. a lot of this stuff just takes time to dig into it, etc.
mod6: i would like to help out with s.nsa. but yeah, right now foundation stuff is about all i can handle outside of mines. once I don't need the mines any longer, then I'll have some extra time perhaps.
BingoBoingo: State of Aztlan: https://www.thefix.com/content/crystal-meth-new-crack-cocaine "They stopped the bomb powder. We got our own weed, it's damn near legal out here. The only thing the Mexicans got to push is this and they pushing it hard."
mod6: first day was last friday. so been a bit swamped since then.
shinohai: If Cristina has done anything, she has proved to me that winblowze is never going to be the correct tool for anything related to gpg
shinohai: The things I go through ...
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 20:59:46; trinque: could very well be that the mechanism by which a central govt steals from a large population via fiat monetary systems got us the CPUs we use today far earlier than they'd have been had without the theft
ascii_field: mainly i gotta live out the oath that i swore.
ascii_field: but wanted to take a proper shit into the record
mircea_popescu: so then what is teh problem!
mircea_popescu: well so then!
mircea_popescu: most people live with a mix of the two, which is fine, pick a mix you like and stick to it.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu is, i think, accustomed to smashing idiots' skulls and instinctively reaches for the designated hammer. but i'm not an idiot and don't expect things.
mircea_popescu: either way, pick one live with it.
ascii_field: this might be asking the mega-s33krit, but what kind of people ~does~ mircea_popescu use to, e.g., maintain mircea_popescucoin ?
mircea_popescu: you are stubbornly missing here that what you'd like the world to be does not matter one whit, and whatever way you dress that masturbation up doesn't change its masturbatory content.
mircea_popescu: nor do i hire plumbers to do the code nor do i hire usian kids to do my plumbing.
mircea_popescu: which is why if he came to have a chat with me i'd have the girls send him off.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as he doesn't get to put his name on the thing.
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2015 21:01:03; mircea_popescu: ok this is the most insane thing i ever saw. so plumber, looks like he escaped comicon or something, dorkiest dude ever. but THEN he proceeds to CUT THROUGH METAL PLATE FREEHAND
mircea_popescu: oh, i don't recall, 200 pesos for the labour or something it was
ascii_field: the hand-held one
mircea_popescu: im either doing too many things at once or whatever. who ? link ? what ?
mircea_popescu: \and in the early revolutionary phases at that.
mircea_popescu: i understand that salaried work is both more common and more convenient, but i have personally no patience for salary types, and more importantly, there's no room in b-a for such, because it's not a fucking ewmpire, it's a republic,
mircea_popescu: this is entirely besides the point. how you organise your own affairs is your own call. b-a is an equity play : you do things ; when and if they bring money in, you can have money ; when and if they bring chicks in, you can have chicks. that's how equity plays work : you get a claim to whatever future brings.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1317481 << the thing that has haunted alf for years now.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes whty is the painter with ebola chick wearing high heeled platforms ?
ascii_field: i don't see the connection
mircea_popescu: that in the same go, as you understand one, you understand the other. they being the exact same thing.
ascii_field: on other side of locked doors.
mircea_popescu: because it has no mechanisms of institutionalized opression of the median.
ascii_field: common lisp did not exist in the 70s
mircea_popescu: c worked in the 70s just fine, also.
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 20:20:06; *: ben_vulpes fails to find the logline wherein asciilifeform claims that common lisp packages "tend to work unlike in other languages"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1317425 << the one that went "this works [because nobody's ever used it, like you know, burning man before it got populat]" ?
ascii_field: you might be fucking the wives of his dead skin cells
mircea_popescu: i'm fucking "the enemy" ie some conclave of old fart's both daughters and occaisonally wife. always have.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't, personally, give a rats ass either way. if yes, sure. if not, whatever, i have no problems riding a horse.
ascii_field: would still rather not, no?
mircea_popescu: looky, if we miss the window to civilisation we'll have missed the window to civilisation, that's all.
assbot: Logged on 13-06-2015 17:27:26; mircea_popescu: if you need anything that has to be made on something in the middle, make it now.
ascii_field: esp. as the old 'secondhand' fabs fold.
ascii_field: the base cost of doing any of it is only moving up.
mircea_popescu: so i guess this can wait a few years then.
ascii_field: (show me where we can do a 486 or a dram of the time, for something like what the shared die folks charge.)
mircea_popescu: and no, i wont bother the bitfury guy, or anyone actually involved in doing things with this inept nonsense. for the same reason i shouldn't have queried ben_vulpes yest.
ascii_field: they won't package or test or guarantee so much as 1 working unit.
mircea_popescu: umd will let you tack on 100 cpus to some prototype run they got, won't it ?
mircea_popescu: so no, the problem is not an absent "mass market". the problem is that there's work to be done for future uncertain benefit.
mircea_popescu: a matter that the top male of 1015 (ie, STRONG) fucked hotties and had good children. whereas the top male of 2015 (ie, SMART) fucks horsefaces and is happy for it.
mircea_popescu: stop fucking all the ugly inept women. that's how you get stunted kids.
mircea_popescu: yet these idiots think she's someone's first love.
ascii_field: don't have the thread handy, but at one point i explained how computing is tricky because its very existence as its current thing - that is, vlsi - is predicated on mass uptake
mircea_popescu: (not for maleducation. for poor sexual hygiene. fucking all the roadkill and such.)
mircea_popescu: i blame the parents.
ascii_field: martians came and put them in?
mircea_popescu: until and unless you come to terms with the simple fact that you're special, you'll be stuck trying to explain friends to me.
mircea_popescu: not ALL. there is no all.
mircea_popescu: no, they couldn't.
ascii_field: if they wanted
mircea_popescu: all that discussion was about the mass.
ascii_field: they could all be erdos
mircea_popescu: so then what ?
ascii_field: so then.
ascii_field: recall the meth thread ?
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 20:08:16; ascii_field: 'when mass markets develop, pluralism suffers the most -- there is no longer a concept of healthy participants: people become concerned with the individual "winner", and instead of people being good at whatever they are doing and proud of that, they will want to flock around the winner to share some of the glory.'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1317411 << this, ftr, is deeply wrong. pluralism does not suffer because "mass markets". it would benefit from them, if the [people who were supposed to be the] elite weren't fucktards.
ascii_field: linked site claims that the last known cray2 was not thrown out until '99.
mircea_popescu: they develop it, in africa and venezuela etc. see also http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-and-the-poor/#comment-114814
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 20:06:20; ascii_field: PeterL: the notion of 'takes over' is broken
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1317405 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1317404 control. has "industry" "taken over" "farming" ? no, it has not, people still farm. except, people who farm (argentina) get to suck the cock of people who industry (romania). but otherwise, feudalism continues unimpeded both as a thing in itself in east asia and as a thing to look forward to, maybe one day
ascii_field: hence the bubbles
ascii_field: this was part of the design
mircea_popescu: "with liquid cooling fluid bubbling over its brain" << if the coolant bubbles you got serious problems. it's not supposed to do that.
BingoBoingo: So pete still working on a PR setup? How does their compensation work? One share per tard tear?
BingoBoingo: stody of her kids to their dad because she had the kids on her case but because she was filmed letting her friend use the card they said she was neglecting to 'use state resources alloted for her kids' on her kids, so they opened a case against her and the judge let the kids say who they wanted to be with and it was dad. "
BingoBoingo: Foodstamp culture: "I saw an episode of Bridezillas that she wanted to use EBT for her wedding cake. Except it was her friends card and it was not a store she was getting it from it was a lady baking out of her house and the baker lady was going to buy the stuff for the cake and like $700 in groceries as her 'payment'. They all got fines, the baker got shut down and the friend lost her ability to receive stamps and I think lost cu
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/1bdffa8b7d57686c09bd57ecf43c8b7b/tumblr_n98tvuC3m41r1ux1wo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: maybe phf, but the dude's not even bothered to collect the pile of mushrooms he earned doing i don't recall what for eulora
ascii_field: and prolly other interesting things.
mircea_popescu: well we can't hire mod6 mostly because if we do the foundation ends.
ascii_field: so far, other than pieces of #3, and the whole of #7, it's all things that sit still except when i push'em.
mircea_popescu: not like there's not work to do.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: supposing for a moment that the notion was a serious one, who should we be hiring ?
mircea_popescu: anjyway. while this... project is epicly delayed and way the fuck over budget, i am not particularly worried .
mircea_popescu: basically far from ascii_field getting paid, i think the thing here is, s.nsa should be hiring.
mircea_popescu: and cardano is vaguely bolted into either 7 or 4. in fact the entire anthill got opened mostly through there.
mircea_popescu: Thing 7. We're trying to create a pr core, which is roughly in the spot Thing 4 was a year ago, ie, when artifex got somehow married to it.
mircea_popescu: Thing 6. We're trying to create a sane computer (other than pogo). Part of this consideration is some in-principle fundamental research work into ternary to be maybe attached to Thing 3.
mircea_popescu: Thing 5. We're trying to create a sane os. This led to gentoo being cut open, libc being cut open, gcc being cut open, and we're still barfing at the results. I don't even want to think about it.
mircea_popescu: Thing 4. We're trying to create a proper (=crypto) communication system ; as part of this gpg was cut up and we're still barfing at the results. this is a huge task and if thee end product is reasonably well understood, the design's still widely open.
mircea_popescu: Thing 2. We're trying to create an actually statically linked, weaponized bitcoind that's suitable for the pogo.
mircea_popescu: to ennumerate whatever the fuck we're even doing.
mircea_popescu: but the spots on my spleen were because we can't seem to pin this down for five minutes.
ascii_field: ^ i think he was referring in general to judgements on ~the possible~ based on ~the extant~
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 19:21:12; phf: ascii_field: that's the problem with a lot of lisp conversations here, your interlocutors have some vague idea about how things are done right now and in unix world. even unixisms are used not in their "pure form", but in their final gnu/linux state. there's complete lack of semantic match between that and historical lisp. ultimately debates are reduced to "macros are bad because cpp is bad"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1317323 << i think this is a drastic reduction that entirely misses the point. i'm generally careful not to discuss things i don't understand.
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 19:03:04; PeterL: mircea_popescu: there is no reason under the sun to process, manage, consider or in any way interact with subdollar transactions. << you are going to link min bet amounts to the USD/BTC price now? are you going to have the website show the "estimated $ amount" like the VC circus sites do?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1317314 << dollar is only in this discussion because trying to give a newfag dimension to it. otherwise, the transaction fees/limits are established byt miners.
ascii_field: but it never made any sense how one could evict a 'tenant' on one of these.
ascii_field: and no, i don't expect any takers. and don't intend to 'emo' the non-takers
ascii_field: but to state 'various xxxxx is now available for a fee, unless at some point i get rich enough to afford the armour without having to pull own plow.'
mircea_popescu: the objective emotion, in 28 days!
mircea_popescu: anyway, i appreciate the sentiment, i really do, it's pure love "oh im sorry i couldn't do more". fine, but don't let it consume you.
ascii_field: gotta work, pretty much every day of the year.
ascii_field: they're only in my head in the sense that i'm not clever enough to be 'stand on own' economically as described in mircea_popescu's article re: same.
phf: ascii_field: you're producing the most output by a margin of anyone here
ascii_field: 'cause if i starve, this cheats the shareholders.
ascii_field: again, not trying to troll people, but fact of the matter is that i only got so much 'voluntary'. and gotta prioritize.
mircea_popescu: after all, soviet armies even are a thing because the reason prefers to sleep, or how was that quote.
mircea_popescu: and as always is the case in life, if one doesn't manage to make one thing work, one'll sooner or later meet the same thing later on, with worse downside and less upside.
mircea_popescu: iirc they were disinclined from getting servers even, for yet
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i posted all of this to add another 'can' to the list: services for pay. if anyone is interested in such.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: that's really the lot of it
mircea_popescu: eh, relax wouldja. do what you can and let others do what they can and that's the whole story.
mircea_popescu: in other news, ima make myself some romanian style pickled cabbage!
ascii_field: my main project is cardano. which i would like to roll out before i get 'accidented', starve (which may happen quite soon), or exhaust the patience of my co-author or of the shareholders. and thus,
ascii_field: i suppose i ought to cut to the chase:
mircea_popescu: alrightythen!
mircea_popescu: nothing, least of which me, keeps you from running your own hoisehold soviet army style or any other style.
ascii_field was not advocating the merits of soviet armies.
ascii_field: anyway i know very well that mircea_popescu runs a roman army, where you gotta bringe the horse, and the armour, and not a soviet army.
mircea_popescu: if i cared what kenyans value anything i might ask them. as it is, they don't even get a voice in blockchain size.
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 19:02:01; mircea_popescu: this goalpost moving is giving me spots on the spleen.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to put the thing in more distant, and thus perhaps more comprehensible terms even if you'll likely not be able to resist the temptation to crush naisl with the microscope : "what is the value of rsa to kenyan ?" and "obviously all this 'crypto work' is general 20yo cunt good looks" to kenyan.
mircea_popescu: neither of these approaches is actually meaningful, you're just murking up the material.
trinque marvels at both the output of this guy and his assessment of it
ascii_field: e.g., do i contribute something in particular, or is it fungible like the 'good looks of a 20yo cunt'
mircea_popescu: nothing is not the word.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu seems to think that i was looking for an answer other than the one i already derived.
mircea_popescu: your notion that "oh, what is my participation in B's cool worth" is akin to the dumb polack chick in A going "what are my good looks worth, i can't make hollywood rent control"
mircea_popescu: there is today a group of people that do so and so with encryption and bitcoins and etc. their history will be the controlling factor for an entire generation [of mostly chinese and russian speakers], who'll go about calling themselves the MP of cmpany X, because ceo is uncool now. this is part B of comparison.
mircea_popescu: there was once a group of 20something chicks that lived in so and so apartments and did so and so deeds and things. their history became the controlling factor for an entire generation of english speakers, who went and got rachedo's and so on and so forth. part A of comparison.
mircea_popescu: no, you're breaking the comparison.
ascii_field: anyway i'm safely not these, already.
mircea_popescu: "the in crowd"
ascii_field reads the pediwik in search of 'actual thing'
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ascii_field doesn't get the ref
mircea_popescu: you're approximately in the position of a 20something woman who wants to be part of the cast of friends but doesn't have the rent.
ascii_field: nobody's ever paying for trb either. not even on lsd.
mircea_popescu: you can't sell it. if you keep it functioning well and in good shape, you can have an empire on the basis of it.
ben_vulpes: dafuq do you breathe, anyways.
ben_vulpes: so you've captured the value. bitcoin survives, and you benefit from its survival. so do other people, but when you advertise you also pay for people to learn about the solutionspace in general, including your competition.
trinque: whether it exists theoretically is distinct from whether this run of the idea takes now or after the next dark age
trinque: not that there's immediate pay; it's a long position
ascii_field: and anyway nobody asked me whether it 'ought to exist'
trinque: this I think is the value in doing "world-building" work
trinque: it's not rhetorical, it's *the* question
ben_vulpes: what is the value of a put on facebook expiring 5 years from now?
ascii_field: or the continuity bridge, from old thread linked earlier ?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: or take the example of my trb patches.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: of the working item
ascii_field: not of motherfucking 'ideas'
trinque: ascii_field: it's simply this, that other than via magical thinking and zealotry, your thing will only happen when it costs less than someone is willing to pay to solve a problem he has
ascii_field: i.e. the thing i made.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: but of the system consisting of the invention plus the demonstration of its feasibility.
trinque: sure, that market distortions happen doesn't mean they don't happen in a useful direction. it only means that other things will suffer greatly, that things are imbalanced.
ben_vulpes: no i know. but i'm asking you another question of value.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: i was speaking of neither
ascii_field: where i was trying to say more or less the same thing each time.
ascii_field: trinque: even the hypothetical of 'without the theft' is rather like asking for 'without scurvy'
trinque: could very well be that the mechanism by which a central govt steals from a large population via fiat monetary systems got us the CPUs we use today far earlier than they'd have been had without the theft
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: we are speaking of cases where there isn't even an 'it' prior.
ben_vulpes: "ah fuckit, get out of my way, i'll do it in a tenth the time and it'll be twice as good."